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Wal-Mart Says It Is 6-9 Months From Using Drones To Check Warehouse Inventory (yahoo.com)

Multinational retail corporation Wal-mart announced on Thursday that it is six to nine months from starting to use drones to check warehouse inventories in the United States. The drones, which are capable of operating on autopilot, fly through the aisles snapping 30 images a second, and deliver real-time data to employees about whether the correct product is shelved in the proper place. From a Reuters report: Finding ways to more efficiently warehouse, transport and deliver goods to customers has taken on new importance for Wal-Mart as it deals with wages costs while seeking to beat back price competition and boost online sales. Wal-Mart said the camera and technology on top of the drones have been custom-built for the retailer.

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  1. Gary is NOT a drone! by NotDrWho · · Score: 2

    That was a mean thing to say, Walmart.

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    1. Re:Gary is NOT a drone! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Have you met Gary?

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    2. Re:Gary is NOT a drone! by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      you got it wrong. the drone is going to terminate gary. with extreme severance.

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    3. Re:Gary is NOT a drone! by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      The Human Snorch! I used to love that comic! "Phlegm On!"

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  2. now...the Drones of Walmart by turkeydance · · Score: 3, Funny

    taking pictures for the People of Walmart

    1. Re:now...the Drones of Walmart by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      There's a website for that. Not for the faint of heart.

      http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/

    2. Re:now...the Drones of Walmart by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      That's the joke.

      No, that's the link. ;)

  3. corporatespeak by Iamthecheese · · Score: 2

    as it deals with wages costs while seeking to beat back price competition

    This means "maintain high margins by laying people off"

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    1. Re:corporatespeak by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      This seems like something that will add capabilities not possible or practical with their current workforce.

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    2. Re:corporatespeak by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      How high do you imagine their actual net margins to be? Specifically.

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    3. Re:corporatespeak by Falos · · Score: 1

      Yes, the value of labor is gone. Good luck supporting anything with it after 2030. Good luck, Prolekistan, you have nothing to export.

      And we all know what happens to populations in countries with nothing to export.

    4. Re:corporatespeak by Falos · · Score: 1

      "Superior" is the exact, "specific" height of causation, the only consequence they care about. With good reason.

    5. Re:corporatespeak by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Do you truly believe the value-added by a full-time Walmart retail employee is entitled to the type of compensation to support a family?

      If Walmart cancelled their annual stock buybacks, they could afford to pay a living wage to employees.

    6. Re:corporatespeak by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      If Walmart cancelled their annual stock buybacks, they could afford to pay a living wage to employees.

      Are you saying Walmart employees are zombies?

    7. Re:corporatespeak by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 2

      This seems like something that will add capabilities not possible or practical with their current workforce.

      It will synergistically disrupt platforms while enhancing cloud value.

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    8. Re:corporatespeak by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      But why do you think they should pay living wages to run a check out counter? You are quickly costing families out of a job.

      I know several families where 2 people work and make a livable wage. Raising those wages will cut at least one of them out of a job and destroy that family's income.

    9. Re:corporatespeak by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      But why do you think they should pay living wages to run a check out counter?

      Get families off of welfare and stop taxpayers from subsidizing Walmart's profits.

      You are quickly costing families out of a job.

      Wrong! Walmart's business model need to change. Of course, Wall Street won't be happy if they stop buying back stock shares to support Main Street.

    10. Re:corporatespeak by lgw · · Score: 1

      Your entire argument is flawed: WalMart should give that money to me, not anyone else. I mean, if we're going to start telling companies what to do with their money, any option other than "give it all to lgw" is clearly the wrong option. Stop being so greedy!

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    11. Re:corporatespeak by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      This means "maintain high margins by laying people off"

      My hypocrisy detector is beeping. How many unnecessary people do you employ?

    12. Re:corporatespeak by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Get families off of welfare and stop taxpayers from subsidizing Walmart's profits.

      By providing these people with jobs, Walmart is reducing the amount of welfare they would otherwise receive. If you demand that every employee receive a "living wage" that can support a family, then Walmart is going to replace many of those employees with drones/self-checkout/stocking-robots/etc. and the welfare bill will go up, not down.

      If you go into a Walmart, you will see some employees in wheelchairs, some have Downs Syndrome. Many of these people would be otherwise unemployable. They are at the bottom of the economic ladder, and you want to kick away the lowest rung.

    13. Re:corporatespeak by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      stop taxpayers from subsidizing Walmart's profits

      Um, what?

      Reality is the precise opposite. Minimum wage is an example of government forcing Walmart, and other employers who utilize low-skilled labor, to subsidize welfare. The system quite unfairly gives an advantage to businesses who profit from highly skilled workers.

      It should be the other way around. Since the government is built to act in the interest of society, it should directly redistribute wealth within society to support welfare values. A progressive tax structure is actually a much fairer way to handle it than minimum wage.

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    14. Re:corporatespeak by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Reality is the precise opposite.

      Doubt that. Walmart is a bad corporate citizen. Taxpayers have been subsidizing Walmart's profits for years.

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/04/15/report-walmart-workers-cost-taxpayers-6-2-billion-in-public-assistance/#3301bbfa7cd8

      Taxpayers are also subsidizing security for Walmart with police calls.

      http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2016/public-safety/walmart-police/

    15. Re:corporatespeak by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      You are missing the point.

      Walmart and other employers should bear zero responsibility for the goals of society. Walmart's only purpose for existence is to create profit for its owners... that's it! The fact that they have to employ over 2 million employees to do so, and contribute to our economy in significant ways, is simply a side-effect that happens to benefit society by helping to drive our economy.

      Society should pay for social programs. How can we do that? Taxes. Government is the primary vehicle for administering how society serves itself. We pay taxes to government for defense, we vote in government leaders and pay their salaries. Social programs are simply another societal aspect government is in a good position to administer.

      Walmart's job is not to pay for what we want. That's our job. And because we should pay for wealth redistribution, our government should administer it.

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    16. Re:corporatespeak by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      You do understand that the executive pay, and dividends, are both cash that's taxed as it goes to its recipients, right? Regardless, there are overhead issues that go WAY beyond the difference between wholesale costs and retail prices, minus paychecks/dividends.

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    17. Re: corporatespeak by fizzup · · Score: 1

      5% EBIT percentage and 3% net income applicable to common stock, relative to revenue for the year ending January 31, 2016. You are welcome.

    18. Re: corporatespeak by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Thanks. That is really much too much money. They should not be allowed to earn money like that. Nobody who has Walmart stock in their retirement accounts should be allowed to share in any of that enormous, evil profit. We have to Bern this down, along with any banks that help them do their evil business with those enormous profits that are keeping 47% of the people in the country from making enough money to pay income taxes.

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    19. Re:corporatespeak by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      Yes, functionally it does.

      Got a problem with that? Do you truly believe the value-added by a full-time Walmart retail employee is entitled to the type of compensation to support a family?

      alternately, do you truly believe the value of supporting a family is equal to the compensation of a full time Walmart retail employee?

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    20. Re:corporatespeak by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      The population becomes the export.

      Worked for Scotland. There's a reason why every engineer on every ship on earth or in sf books is named Scotty, and it's not all due to James Doohan. (and they have whisky and woolens to export too!)

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    21. Re:corporatespeak by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      Do you truly believe the value-added by a full-time Walmart retail employee is entitled to the type of compensation to support a family?

      If Walmart cancelled their annual stock buybacks, they could afford to pay a living wage to employees.

      Riders of the Living Wage

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    22. Re:corporatespeak by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      When was that time?

  4. Good Ole WallyWorld... by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 1

    Weren't these folks the same ones that pioneered importing everything from China back when? Now, everyone has to do it to remain "competitive". Now, robots staffing the warehouses, what next? Will they also replace the single employee that covers pretty much the entire sales floor with custom Cortana based customer service bots?

    At the end of this mad race to the bottom we call capitalism who will be left with jobs so they can, you know, shop at Wal-Mart?

    1. Re:Good Ole WallyWorld... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Will they also replace the single employee that covers pretty much the entire sales floor with custom Cortana based customer service bots?

      http://www.kurzweilai.net/imag...

    2. Re:Good Ole WallyWorld... by ickleberry · · Score: 1

      They need to replace the Waltons with a PHP script that randomly disperses small amounts of their dollars to random people till most of its gone, then keeps dispersing as it's rolling in. Thats the only way this sh1t is going to work long term

    3. Re:Good Ole WallyWorld... by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      >

      At the end of this mad race to the bottom we call capitalism who will be left with jobs so they can, you know, shop at Wal-Mart?

      I've seen that movie. It's called Idiocracy and the computers that ran Brawndo fired the CEO due to stock price drops. Even the CEO wasn't as important as the computers that ran the company.

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  5. Seems Too Expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why wouldn't static cameras work better? Or even cameras that travel along ceiling rails and can zoom in to the specific product location. Those sound cheaper than custom-designed drones.

    1. Re:Seems Too Expensive by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Free publicity

    2. Re:Seems Too Expensive by TheDanish · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you're talking about the back room of a walmart store, then maaaaaaybe. But installing static cameras and/or rails that capture EVERY location's contents accurately doesn't scale well with the 1 million sqft standalone warehouses they're talking about. The costs would far exceed any benefit. And gods forbid if you want to reconfigure your racks! Meanwhile, if you can make a $500 drone that can do inventory counts automatically, even if you have to manually program its flight path each time you change your rack layout, you've just saved a crapload of money.

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    3. Re:Seems Too Expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You have to hire someone at the location in the United States to install fixed cameras or rails. Then you have to have someone service/upgrade them as they break and get old. A drone can be manufactured in whatever place is cheaper than China now and thrown away when it gets broken or outdated. Drones can be programmed (and reprogrammed, when the warehouse layout changes) in one salaried employee's unpaid overtime.

    4. Re:Seems Too Expensive by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      How about collapsible aisles to maximize the store surface? People just punch whatever items they want on displays at the checkout counters, the required aisle opens up, a drone gets the item and the aisles collapse back together?

      To which a troll would reply "How about floating packages hosted in the cloud and brought to you by rainbow-farting unicorns?"

    5. Re:Seems Too Expensive by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Why wouldn't static cameras work better?

      Because you would need a lot of them. Maybe one for every pallet rack. A Walmart distribution center contains thousands of racks.

      Or even cameras that travel along ceiling rails and can zoom in to the specific product location.

      You would need rails for every aisle, and very high res cameras to see pallet barcodes from a 48 ft ceiling at a high angle. They would be way out of range of any passive RFID pallet tags.

      Those sound cheaper than custom-designed drones.

      The drones are mostly off-the-shelf. Only a few components are customized. You would only need two or three drones per warehouse (one working, and one or two backups). That would be way cheaper than a big installation of fixed or rail cameras.

    6. Re:Seems Too Expensive by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      A lot of National Part Distribution Center's(NPDC's aka the big auto company warehouses) have already tried all this stuff(cameras, RFID's, drones, fully automated systems, etc), walmart could save themselves time and effort and simply look at trials that GM/Ford/Chrysler/Honda/Toyota places and find out that none of it works and people on the ground does. Or they can just enjoy wasting the money on it. If it's one thing I've learned it's that when a company's top people get an idea in their head that something is a great idea, they'll continue to try it until it fails for them just like everyone else.

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    7. Re:Seems Too Expensive by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Or they could realize that tech improves in both capability and cost effectiveness, and drone tech in particular has been improving rapidly. So it is likely a good time to revisit the idea.

      I own a quadcopter drone. I am also an embedded system programmer. I used to work in a warehouse, drove a forklift, and participated in many inventory audits. Maybe I am missing something, but I just don't see any roadblocks to making it work. The biggest obstacle would be the lack of GPS inside the warehouse, but an obvious solution would be to put waypoint barcodes on the racks, the ceiling, and/or the floor. That is already the way that many wheeled robots navigate, so many warehouses already have these waypoint markers.

  6. Amazon behind? by avandesande · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seems like this would be applied readily to Amazon warehouses- you could even have drones pick small items right off the shelf.

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  7. snapping 30 images a second by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

    AKA video.

    1. Re:snapping 30 images a second by doconnor · · Score: 1

      It's probably 29.97 tops!

  8. Wal-Mart wages by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 3, Informative

    "... as it deals with wages costs ..."

    LOL! Wal-Mart has to "deal with wages costs!" HAHAHA! That's a good one! From the company that pays starvation wages and accompanies pay checks with info about where to apply for food stamps!

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    1. Re:Wal-Mart wages by ffkom · · Score: 1

      Even more funny given Walmarts Epic Fail in Germany, where they failed to compete against other discounters paying higher wages and providing more benefits.

  9. Re:Put some in the stores too by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    Can we also program the drones to crash into mobility scooters if visual analysis determines the rider to be a skinny ass punk?

    FTFY

  10. Walmart is Inexpensive by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 2

    People shop there for inexpensive stuff. Some of that stuff is made in China, so substitute "cheap" for "inexpensive," but the premise is the same. I shop there when "cheap/inexpensive" is what is driving the purchase. When "quality" is driving the purchase, I shop elsewhere. I have a choice, and I make it. Some people are poor, do not have a choice, and shop at Walmart all the time. Thank God for Walmart.

    Let robots and automation take over whatever jobs they can, and free Man to do the jobs only he can do. Yeah, it will suck to be a Walmart stock clerk over the next ten years, just like it sucked to be a buggy whip manufacturer for the first ten years of the 20th century.

    Focus less upon wringing your hands that robots and automation have finally arrived, albeit ten or so years later than expected. Focus your efforts on what we need to do to educate and re-educate people with the skills needed to adapt to the new workplaces. Or do you believe a man is entitled to a job that a robot can do better and less expensively.

    >>"WallyWorld"

    Grow up!

    1. Re:Walmart is Inexpensive by tbyington · · Score: 1

      As we developed machine ability faster than we trained people for new job openings, people found out they were not the buggy whip manufacturer, they were the horse.

    2. Re:Walmart is Inexpensive by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Indeed. As Mike Rowe has pointed out, there is a shortage of good skilled trade workers out there now: plumbers, electricians, carpenters, sheet metal workers, etc.. and everything is geared towards STEM now. The trades pay pretty well, they'll probably never become obsolete, and someone has to be able to do that stuff.

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  11. OK then... by no-body · · Score: 1

    gotta take an umbrella, some stick or a fly swatter with you when you go there and the things are flirring around to hit them if they come too close.

    Also, how would they count tightly stacked small boxes in rows of 1' deep shelfs?

    Wmart saving even more on sub-living hourly wages using retirees on medicare shaving off some bucks and loading it on the general population.

    Yeah! Capitalism is better than Socialism (not my statement, but another guy's who was unable to define what those terms mean and where pure forms exist successfully)

  12. Because drones by wcrowe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Surely they're not just relying on video alone. Maybe RFIDs play a role too. Otherwise, this seems like a really expensive and error-prone way of managing warehouse space. Other warehouse inventory systems would seem to be more accurate and cheaper (things like pick-to-light; put-to-light, etc).

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    1. Re:Because drones by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      I also wondered why they would design a drone to do this instead of just using RFID tags. Back in 2003 Wal-Mart announced they were requiring their largest suppliers to integrate RFID tags into packaging.

      Did Wal-Mart love RFID to death?

  13. Won't do any good by hambone142 · · Score: 1

    Their problem seems to be related to the inability to move their products from their store warehouse to their shelves so the public can actually purchase the products.

  14. Walmart has employees? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Whenever I encounter a blue-uniformed worker in the store other than at checkout, it's a vendor doing the employees' work for them.

  15. Hope you're happy.... by erp_consultant · · Score: 3, Insightful

    all you out there clamoring for $15/hr minimum wage. This is the beginning of the end of low paying/entry level jobs. We're seeing this in the fast food industry as well with automated french fry machines, and probably burger makers soon too. When government decides to get involved and try to tell businesses how to do things this is the predictable response.

    When you are in a low margin business like fast food, or WalMart for that matter, you simply can't make a profit paying people $15/hr for entry level jobs that require little to no skill. So they turn to cheaper robots. So instead of a bunch of $10/hr jobs you end up with zero, or close to zero, $15/hr jobs.

    1. Re:Hope you're happy.... by LiquidAvatar · · Score: 2

      Let's do a thought experiment with some made up, but representative numbers.

      We have French Fries 'r Us, which is open 16 hours per day. Each day, they have 2 employees dedicated to making the french fries (each doing an 8 hour shift), and the owner is considering automation to eliminate the position of Fry Frier. He finds that the French Fry Machine can be purchased for $180k.

      Paying each of his 2 full time Fry Friers $15/hour comes to ~$62k per year. So, the machine has a 3 year ROI, what a deal! He decides to eliminate the positions and personally reaps the financial rewards (after 3 years).

      Paying each of his 2 full time Fry Friers $10/hour comes to ~$42k per year. So, the machine has about a 4 and a quarter year ROI... what a deal! He decides to eliminate the positions and personally reaps the financial rewards (after 4 and a quarter years).

      This is simplified, ignoring things like the costs of employee benefits, employment taxes, the impact of sick days or of employees just not showing up... and maintenance costs for the machine... but you get the point. Automation is coming; every day we build better machines that can do more work, and every day the cost of those machines goes down as we figure out better ways to build them.

      The only way to keep those menial jobs around is to *reduce* the minimum wage so that human labor becomes cheaper than automated labor (which is constantly becoming cheaper). And there's a dangerous situation; we are financially incentivizing the degradation of humans, while pulling business away from the people who are inventing better/more efficient machines.

      I think that the ideal end-goal is to have a population that is entirely capable of doing interesting, meaningful work... such as improving the automation of menial tasks. Rather than focusing on how to protect menial tasks for our unskilled labor force, let's focus on how those people can live decent lives while developing the skills that they need to actually contribute to society.

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    2. Re:Hope you're happy.... by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

      That's an interesting analysis. Tasks that can be automated WILL be automated. It's only a matter of when and to what extent. In the Auto industry we have seen what it might look like already. You have robots that can create thousands of perfect welds, better than any human could do. Then you have a human to inspect the welds to make sure nothing was missed. That's the model. Robot makes the fries, human inspects the fries before they get served to anyone.

      As you pointed out above, raising the minimum wage (or shaming companies into doing so) simply accelerates the process. The real question is what happens to all these newly displaced workers? Many of the fast food workers are high school kids so they can just deliver pizzas or something. But what about semi skilled workers? Retraining is difficult and costly. Government led retraining efforts have historically been dismal failures. My fear is that 10% unemployment will become the "new normal". Obviously this will put a tremendous strain on an already strained entitlement system. Which will lead to even higher taxes on the middle class (the upper class always finds a way to evade paying their fair share).

  16. Re:Put some in the stores too by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The test for whether or not someone ought to be provided a mobility scooter is "can they comfortably walk through a Wal-Mart in order to retrieve the item they want to purchase?", and has nothing to do with what the specific reason for their being uncomfortable with walking that far might be.

    Wal-Mart's prime competitor is one which requires zero walking, so it makes sense to offer a reduced-walking option for any customer who might desire it.

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  17. of course by gzuckier · · Score: 1

    the drones will be made in china

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  18. make america shop again by gzuckier · · Score: 1

    I will build the greatest Walmart that you've ever seen. And I would never do this myself. But I hope it will be so -- actually, it will even look great. I already know what it should look like. You know, the other day, they were saying, I was watching these characters -- politicians that are running against me -- you can't get Mexico to pay for the Walmart! Of course you can. They can't because they never would even think of it.
    Do you know how much Mexico is making from the United States? That's peanuts, the Walmart. And then they say, you can't build a Walmart! It's too big, it doesn't work. Well, 3,000 years ago -- right? The Great Walmart of China was built. We would like to have that Walmart. That Walmart, nobody gets through. That I can tell you. And that's 13,000 miles. right? And that was done between -- did it take them 500 years in all fairness. A pretty long time. They don't stop. We need tough people to negotiate with the Chinese. They don't stop. But The Great Walmart of China was built.
    In Mexico, they were complaining 13,000 miles. It doesn't work. They have these Walmarts built. They said people go over these Walmarts with a ladder. Do you know how tall the Walmart is? Like this. It is not a Walmart. It is a little fence. People put up a ladder that they buy at home depot and they jump and that's the end of it. I'm talking about a Walmart. See that ceiling there? higher. Did you ever see -- okay. Did you ever see the plank for parking garages? As an example. Not a big deal.
    I'm a great builder. What do I best in life, I build. Your infrastructure is crumbling. Isn't it nice to have a builder? A real builder. So you take precast plank. It comes 30 feet long, 40 feet long, 50 feet long. You see the highways where they can span 50, 60 feet, even longer than that, right? And do you a beautiful nice precast plank with beautiful everything. Just perfect. I want it to be so beautiful because maybe someday they'll call it The Trump Walmart. Maybe. So I have to make sure it's beautiful, right? I'll be very proud of that Walmart. If they call at this The Trump Walmart, it has to be beautiful. And you put that plank up and you dig your footings. And you put that plank up -- there's no ladder going over that. If they ever go up there, they're in trouble, because here's no way to get down. Maybe a rope.

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  19. Re:Put some in the stores too by Bathroom+Humor · · Score: 1

    Wal-Mart's prime competitor

    I bet next you'll tell us that was unintentional.