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North Korea Restarts Plutonium Production For Nuclear Bombs (arstechnica.com)

New submitter ReginaldBryan45 quotes a report from Reuters: North Korea has restarted production of plutonium fuel, a senior State Department official said on Tuesday, showing that it plans to pursue its nuclear weapons program in defiance of international sanctions. The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAE) said on Monday that it had seen signs based on satellite imagery that show that the secretive country had re-activated the nuclear fuel production reactor at Yongbyon. The analysis by the IAEA pointed to "resumption of the activities of the five megawatt reactor, the expansion of centrifuge-related facility, [and] reprocessing -- these are some of the examples of the areas [of activity indicated at Yongbyon]." U.S. Intelligence tried to infect the Yongbyon site with a variant of the Stuxnet malware last year but ultimately failed. Experts at the U.S.-Korea Institute at John Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies in Washington predicted last year that the country's nuclear arsenal could grow to as many as 100 bombs within five years, from an estimated 10 to 16. Naturally, this news is a cause for concern as North Korea had four (failed) test launches in the last two months.

151 comments

  1. Late. by invictusvoyd · · Score: 1

    Like Iran, North Korea used centrifuges obtained from the Pakistani scientist, A.Q. Khan, who led his own country's nuclear weapons effort.

    No body did anything about that then !

    1. Re:Late. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blame Hillary and her "Strategic Patience" policy, re: NK.

      Hillary's North Korea problem

      As secretary of State, Clinton oversaw a hands-off approach to North Korea. Under a policy called "strategic patience," the Obama administration refused to offer any new incentives to Pyongyang to induce it to return to nuclear-disarmament talks following the collapse of an attempted deal at the end of the Bush term. The North Koreans were infuriated, and more nuclear and missile tests ensued, along with open hostilities between North and South Korea in 2010.

      “In my view, ‘strategic patience’ was a polite term for sitting back and watching while North Korea continued to build up its nuclear weapons program,” said Matthew Bunn, a nuclear non-proliferation expert at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government.

    2. Re: Late. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you think what? That we should instead pay them to not pursue this nuclear program? That's the kind of 'incentives' we had been giving them.

    3. Re: Late. by TheInternetGuy · · Score: 1

      They have WMDs but no oil, so I guess bombing the crap out of them is not on the agenda?

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    4. Re: Late. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      besides the lack of oil problem, bombing the crap out of them means south korea getting the crap bombed out of it and pissing off the Chinese. These are countries the US cannot afford to have on their bad side, the US while a huge military force is no longer the 1000Lb gorilla in the economic sector.

    5. Re:Late. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow. What a bunch of yellow ass-niggers.

      Here, FTFY.

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    6. Re:Late. by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      And here we are wondering why we haven't seen any alien civiliations that lived longer than us. We've only had nukes for less than a hundred years and some fruitcake with a funny hairdo is getting close to having enough power to destroy half the world. How much longer can we keep this up?

    7. Re: Late. by butchersong · · Score: 1

      Our primary concern with that of course is the amount of armaments pointed at Seoul our south Korean allies. Still, a conclusive first strike seems like a solvable problem. We should just take them out. The Chinese wouldn't be thrilled but they wouldn't do anything -anything more than they are already doing with their aggressive actions in the south china sea..

    8. Re: Late. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno what "incentives" the US had been offering to NK, but I have a feeling they weren't really much in the way of incentives at all, but were just offers to lessen or remove some sanctions in exchange for giving up their nuclear program. Could be wrong, though.

    9. Re: Late. by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Bombing the crap out of them would probably result in Seoul being destroyed, since NK has lots of conventional artillery within range of the SK capital. That's a pretty big deterrent.

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    10. Re: Late. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      That is because Seoul is within artillery range for the DMZ. Our friend would take a lot of casualties if the US just started bombing North Korea. Hell they could just truck a nuke up to the DMZ or tunnel under the DMZ and put a bomb in South Korea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      All such attacks have be done looking at the risks to benefits.

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    11. Re: Late. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Honestly, those artillery pieces are like 50 years old, there is no proof they still work, and even if they did, it is unlikely that they have powder to fire, as that has quite the decay rate in a humid environment.

      Using that as an excuse not to annihilate that nuclear plant is silly at this point.

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    12. Re:Late. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Half the world? Exaggerate much?

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    13. Re: Late. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no excuse for how easily apk annihilated you Coren the clown, KING of FAIL, hahahaha https://slashdot.org/comments.... , http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , https://slashdot.org/comments....

    14. Re: Late. by Coren22 · · Score: 1
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    15. Re: Late. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coren22 he doesn't need help. You do. You're caught lying about APK or his work and he fried you for it https://slashdot.org/comments.... , http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , https://slashdot.org/comments.... You did this to yourself and are being publicly humiliated and exposed for it.

    16. Re:Late. by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      The fruitcake with a funny hairdo has so far only demonstrated enough to destroy a few city blocks.

      And of course should he do so outside his own borders, China will probably be dropping something on him faster than the USA could (Russia is the true power behind the NK throne, not China).

      There's not even any evidence that NK has managed to produce a nuclear weapon small enough to be loaded on top of the kinds of ballistic missile they're known to possess.

      The best way to deflate the NK threat is a stable and economically Russia with leadership who aren't able to play on the national paranoia of invasions (russia's been invaded so many times that it's easy to play up to this fear and it's the basis of the "Strong man" cult behind Putin.). Bear in mind that China have already made it clear they'd prefer that the NK leadership was changed.

    17. Re:Late. by martinfb · · Score: 1

      a.k.a John Connor.

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  2. NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does not by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does not win as he will crush NK.

  3. VOTE TRUMP 2016 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and he will HELP THEM!

    Park!

  4. ummm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And when did they stop?

    1. Re: ummm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When all the citizens smart enough to work there died. It took a while to grow some new brains.

  5. Where Are by bobstreo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Seth Rogen and James Franco when you need them?

    1. Re:Where Are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seth Rogen and James Franco when you need them?

      Somewhere being offensively unfunny as usual, I reckon.

    2. Re:Where Are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seth Rogen and James Franco when you need them?

      Hard to say really. Has anyone ever needed them?

  6. Re:NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Interesting

    NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does not win as he will crush NK.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06...

    http://www.foxnews.com/politic...

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  7. Re:NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Of course DPRK wants to publicly endorse Trump to discredit him.

    And of course Trump would negotiate with DPRK and he knows exactly how to actually solve the problem

    "I would speak to him, I would have no problem speaking to him," Trump told Reuters, adding "at the same time I would put a lot of pressure on China because economically we have tremendous power over China." "China can solve that problem with one meeting or one phone call," Trump continued..

  8. Don't worry citizens of Best Korea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The endless effort to make nuclear bombs will be worth your sacrifices and many deaths.

    The world will quake in fear.

    1. Re:Don't worry citizens of Best Korea by fafalone · · Score: 1

      Do you mean the sacrifices and many deaths involved in choosing to build nuclear weapons while millions starve; or the sacrifices and many deaths when their shiny new nuke blows up on the launch pad and irradiates a good chunk of their own country?

  9. Tread Carefully by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everything in history sets a precedent. As fun as destroying this country sounds, that should not be the defacto way of humanity. Someone needs to come up with a better solution because feature generations will use this as an example. Doing nothing is also not an option even though they are assuredly 98% hype. There's a real crime against humanity going on over there and no one really seems to be able to stop it..

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    1. Re:Tread Carefully by Brett+Buck · · Score: 2

      The world is perfectly capable of stopping it, the only thing lacking is the will to do so.

    2. Re:Tread Carefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much every conversation on NK boils down to "damned if you do, damned if you don't".

      The only takeaway from this nuclear news is that NK thinks it can extract concessions further down the road, i.e. "we'll 'stop' processing this plutonium if you ...", and that those concessions are worth pissing off China.

    3. Re:Tread Carefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because the west is a sad, weak shadow of its former self. We used to salt the ground of our vanquished enemies and now we're busy making millions of emojis to avoid offending anyone.

    4. Re:Tread Carefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      China and only China can stop them. The rest of your statement holds.

    5. Re:Tread Carefully by Duhavid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And China has no real desire to stop them.

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    6. Re:Tread Carefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Command decapitation is the only real possible technological military victory that results in minimal casualties. And in NK that's... impossible?

    7. Re:Tread Carefully by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Someone needs to come up with a better solution because feature generations will use this as an example.

      Like what?

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    8. Re:Tread Carefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps we could persuade them to help with some Monty Python:

      I Like Chinese - Monty Python

    9. Re:Tread Carefully by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      Everything in history sets a precedent. As fun as destroying this country sounds, that should not be the defacto way of humanity. Someone needs to come up with a better solution because feature generations will use this as an example. Doing nothing is also not an option even though they are assuredly 98% hype.

      Doing nothing is not an option? What are you talking about?! Doing nothing has been working for several decades with minimal financial investment!

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    10. Re:Tread Carefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      FuCk YoU aNd YoUr StUpdD nOn-DeFaUlT fOnT. gO fUcK yOuR aSs WiTh A cUcUmBeR aNd EaT iT aFtEr!

    11. Re:Tread Carefully by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      As fun as destroying this country sounds, that should not be the defacto way of humanity.

      "Should not be" is a nice thing to say, safe from attack...

      The only way to stop a bully is to punch him in the nose, he respects nothing else...

      Just ask Neville Chamberlain that...

      Someone needs to come up with a better solution

      Like what, talking? How about we use that same solution with criminals such as murderers and rapists, because that is the level of criminal we're dealing with.

      The way to stop someone like that is to shoot them, there really is no other option...

    12. Re:Tread Carefully by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If the government of NK falls, it results in a flood of refugees. Most would want to go south, some would go north. China would have to deal with them. China's interest in NK lies in stability.

    13. Re:Tread Carefully by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      It's an option for now, but if you keep doing nothing long enough you'll end up with a country primed for war, with an unstable leadership, and possessing nuclear weapons. This is not a bad situation, as it only needs one bad day for a major city to get blown up and tens of millions killed. There are quite enough nuclear weapons around already, but at least right now they are all under the command of leaders sensible enough not to use them - can you be so sure about North Korea, a country which declares war upon the US every couple of months?

    14. Re:Tread Carefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That pretty much worked great until we had our butts kicked not too far from where North Korea is right now, about 4 decades ago or so. The emoji's have the advantage of actually being able to conquer asia. The disadvantage is that then you have an asia conquered by emoji's.

      Captcha: Churned.

    15. Re:Tread Carefully by axewolf · · Score: 1

      What the hell are you trying to say and why did anyone mod you up?

    16. Re:Tread Carefully by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Maybe the US should step back and take a purely defensive posture, and let the other countries in that region real with the situation. Despite all the strong rhetoric flying around, they are actually making progress with NK. For example, Japan has managed to open a dialogue and get NK to investigate historic cases of kidnapping Japanese citizens. It's not resolved fully yet but in the last decade there has been a lot of movement.

      Antagonizing NK yearly with "military exercises" and the like is not going to get us anywhere. The only way to sort that country out is to bring them in to the international community and open them up, creating a path for them to move towards democracy and freedom. The only alternative is taking out the leadership, creating a power vacuum and civil war, and probably a very great number of people dead. It sucks that it can't happen faster, but that's reality for you.

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    17. Re:Tread Carefully by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      Indeed, it's not like even China really likes NK. Honestly, this announcement is probably 95% PR / blustering than anything real. "We're restarting!" probably means "we turned the lights back on in the factory and have sent in some janitors to start cleaning the place up" as opposed to actually spinning anything up.

    18. Re:Tread Carefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... a real crime against humanity going on over there ...

      The 'kill, crush, destroy' attitude of US politicians meant their last invasion of NK was more concerned with parking US bombers in NK, than aiding the oppressed citizens.

    19. Re:Tread Carefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      true, fewer eyes on china's own human rights (and other) issues when there's a nutjob running dprk, warlords running amok in africa, and half the middle-east in chaos.

    20. Re:Tread Carefully by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You don't summarily shoot murderers and rapists, you do what you have to do to stop them and nothing more. Your rhetoric sounds lazy, trite, and abjectly childish.

    21. Re:Tread Carefully by gtall · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't call the leaders of Pakistan sensible. They see nothing wrong with playing along with Islamist nutjobs who would like nothing better than another war with India. Mind you, Indira Gandhi got the ball rolling over there by nuclear testing first. It didn't take long for the Pakistanis to go running to the Norks for expertise on getting their own nuclear arsenal. Now, they have one of the fastest growing nuclear arsenals on the planet.

      That dirty little squit, Putin, has also made comments that more or less say his dick is bigger, has less added sugar, and is now low-fat, all courtesy of nuclear weapons. Given his attempt to put Humpty-Dumpty back together again to feed and water his paranoia, he could easily do something stupid.

    22. Re:Tread Carefully by gtall · · Score: 1

      The U.S. and S. Korea are not "antagonizing" the Norks. They are self-antagonizing, they'll simply invent slights where none occur no matter what their opponents do. There is no placating them, they have every intention of turning S. Korea into the workers' paradise that is the North. Without the external enemy, the Nork leadership (sic) have no reason to exist. If they took over S. Korea tomorrow, they'd start in on Japan next. If they got that they, start in on the U.S. bases in the Pacific as a mortal threat. If they got those, they'd be looking for property in California. There is NO placating them.

      The exercises are merely there to show the Norks they won't be successful.

    23. Re:Tread Carefully by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      IMHO, the only "real resolution" is an assassination of Kim...he's far too crazy to be able to deal with on any rational trust level.A coup isn't going to work; he purges anyone he remotely suspects might speak out against him. I'm not advocating killing him; but I don't know what other path is available. Right now our "sit and wait" isn't doing much except allowing the NK people to starve while their leader attempts to create WMD.

    24. Re:Tread Carefully by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      Someone needs to come up with a better solution because feature generations will use this as an example

      If someone did come up with a better solution, won't future generations use that as an example too?

    25. Re:Tread Carefully by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And China has no real desire to stop them.

      I have posted on this before. People who care about the subject should read _The Impossible State: North Korea, Past and Future_ by Victor Cha. It would be fair to say that many in the west, particularly Republicans (and by the way, Cha worked for the George W. Bush administration) overestimate the amount of influence that China has, but it is fair to say that China rarely uses what influence it does have.

      Basically China can't really make North Korea do anything. They can influence them, but that's about it. China really doesn't want instability in the region and it knows that the Kim family is crazy and China is telling the truth when they say that they want North Korea to be denuclearized. But North Korea learned from the experiences of Libya and Iraq in particular some lessons that the US wishes they hadn't. Namely that cooperating with the West is in no way a guarantee that they won't turn on you any way (Gaddafi in Libya) and that if you don't have nukes, the US may remove you from power any way (Saddam in Iraq). Survival of the Kim regime is paramount so the current Kim will never give up nukes. And North Korea has a Stalinist state where people are both brainwashed and unwilling to fight the big guy in charge because if they stand up they may be the only ones, so everybody cooperates in keeping him alive even though they fear him and know that doing so may be a really bad idea for their own livelihood.

      Basically China views all post-North Korea scenarios as really really bad for them and unacceptable. They know it is inevitable that the regime will eventually fall, but they want that to be the problem of the next generation to deal with. China deeply fears a united pro-US Korea that will have US troops stationed on its borders and they will not do anything to enable that outcome. Plus, they are raping the North Korea countryside for rare earths (the only thing of any real value in North Korea - the land there is very poor for agricultural purposes when you know what you are doing, let alone under Communism) at cut rate prices and they have a big economic interest in keeping that business going. So China has basically zero incentive to do anything that will result in the Kim regime leaving. Note too that North Korea borders a part of China with a relatively large ethnic Korean population because China basically stole this part of Korea many hundreds of years ago from an old Korean kingdom and never kicked out the people who lived there. So China fears any regime change because the border is somewhat porous and they could be overwhelmed with North Korean refugees once the government falls. So you can see how from China's side they view all North Korean regime changes as a lose-lose scenario for them even though they are beyond being tired of the North Koreans being troublesome. You have to give old Boris Yeltsin some credit as he stopped all aid there over 20 years ago and left China holding the bag for 100% of North Korea's aid because China didn't want the regime to fall.

    26. Re:Tread Carefully by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      China created this problem, quite literally, and should be held accountable. If their trade with the US was in jeopardy then that might force them to actually deal with the mad dog of a country. North Korea is hell on Earth for the people unlucky to be born there. That China would feed the monster for their own comfort is evidence that the middle kingdom is unfit to rule much of anything.

    27. Re:Tread Carefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Should not be" is a nice thing to say, safe from attack...

      The only way to stop a bully is to punch him in the nose, he respects nothing else...

      Just ask Neville Chamberlain that...

      A call to fighting is what lead to the first World War, and yet it accomplished no particular good end.

      You can throw punches around, but there are many issues it makes worse, not better.

      Like what, talking? How about we use that same solution with criminals such as murderers and rapists, because that is the level of criminal we're dealing with.

      The way to stop someone like that is to shoot them, there really is no other option...

      I guess you think it's too bad we put murderers and rapist in prison, not summary executions then.

      But let's say your method is chosen. Great, get rid of one man. Except what will happen is the deaths of thousands, if not tens or hundreds of thousands, or millions, of others, as you try to deal with one man.

      All because of one almost inconsequential threat?

      Surely you can imagine another option?

    28. Re:Tread Carefully by Duhavid · · Score: 0

      I will try to read it, thank you.

      I had never thought about a united ProUS Korea.  Yes, China would fear that.

      I do find all the "nuke them till they glow..." comments when NK misbehaves to be remarkably dense.
      China would never stand for any such thing.

      I wish I could pick your brain for a few hours on that and other subjects.
      Work calls.

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    29. Re:Tread Carefully by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      You don't summarily shoot murderers and rapists

      Sure you do, when you catch them in the act and when they clearly intend to keep doing it.

      If I walk into a room and find someone who has just killed someone and has just moved to their next target and is about to do it again, yep, you shoot them.

    30. Re:Tread Carefully by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      China tends to take a very practical view of matters. A well-fed monster that occasionally demands another meal is better than a hungry, rampaging monster.

    31. Re:Tread Carefully by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      IMHO, the only "real resolution" is an assassination of Kim...he's far too crazy to be able to deal with on any rational trust level.

      Of course, when you have a rabid dog, you take him to the vet and put him down.

      Not out of malice, but out of compassion... He clearly is unable to function in a civilized society and at some point we're just better off without him.

    32. Re:Tread Carefully by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Not really true. The US (or a larger coalition) could stop NK, but lacks the will to commit to that. It would certainly be easier to do with China's help, but unless China full-on counterinvades like they did in the Korean War, a coalition could do it regardless of how China feels.

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    33. Re:Tread Carefully by butchersong · · Score: 1

      You cannot abdicate responsibility for those actions you choose not to take any more than you can those actions you actually perform. If you choose not to kill a murderer and they murder again, you bear responsibility for that choice. So yes, you absolutely do shoot murderers.

    34. Re:Tread Carefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything in history sets a precedent. As fun as destroying this country sounds, that should not be the defacto way of humanity. Someone needs to come up with a better solution because feature generations will use this as an example. Doing nothing is also not an option even though they are assuredly 98% hype.

      Doing nothing is not an option? What are you talking about?! Doing nothing has been working for several decades with minimal financial investment!

      If by working you mean subjecting 25 million people to 3 generations of the most brutally repressive rule ever. Oh, and for bonus merit that same regime, by our doing nothing, has been able to add nuclear weapons to it's arsenal and successfully placed objects into space. So, yeah, nothing has been working great.

    35. Re:Tread Carefully by Uberbah · · Score: 2

      The U.S. and S. Korea are not "antagonizing" the Norks.

      Foal Eagle makes a bad liar out of that western exceptionalism. One of the largest annual military exercises in the world, practiced annually since '97, to wage a "defensive" war against North Korea. Which, I'm sure, is how western exceptionalists would view it if Russia and China practiced a "defensive" war off the coast of California, involving hundreds of ships, planes, and hundreds of thousands of troops.

      And you wonder why NK started nuclear detonation tests ten years later.

    36. Re:Tread Carefully by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      The only way to stop a bully is to punch him in the nose, he respects nothing else...

      Cool. So when are you going to punch Uncle Sam, and his puppet government in SK, in the face? Watching you American Exceptionalists go on about "the bad guys" is like watching Zombie Ted Bundy lecture Chris Brown for his bad attitude towards women.

    37. Re:Tread Carefully by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      China created the monster but never took responsibility. We should, non-militarily, hold them accountable via trade. Anyone who supports North Korea gets a 5% tariff for example.

    38. Re:Tread Carefully by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 0

      A call to fighting is what lead to the first World War, and yet it accomplished no particular good end.

      Says the AC... pathetic... you go run off and hide behind your mother's skirt while real men take care of the problems...

    39. Re:Tread Carefully by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      The top dog isn't the bully, he is the football quarterback...

      You're free to punch HIM in the nose, but he isn't some punk kid, he and his football friends will kick your ass...

    40. Re:Tread Carefully by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "China created this problem, quite literally"

      Um....No. Stalin did.

      China only got involved when Douglas McArthur directly disobeyed orders and pursued the NK army closer than 50 miles from the chinese border. Even then they only pushed back when McArthur's troops were next to the chinese border with most of the NK army sitting in China.

      The USSR propped up NK during the entire cold war and even now it's Russia still propping NK up (almost all international trade goes through the NK-russia border railway, not by sea and what little trade goes over NK-chinese borders isn't worth mentioning.)

    41. Re:Tread Carefully by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "China deeply fears a united pro-US Korea that will have US troops stationed on its borders and they will not do anything to enable that outcome."

      The UN mandate for US troops on the NK/SK border is what keeps them there. If "peace" broke out tomorrow there would be no reason for US troops to remain in SK _at all_, in the same way that US troops are not stationed on other chinese borders.

      Yes, they could be peripherally fearful, but it's an unlikely scenario. In the past, a greater fear would have been that of a wealthy Korea over the border from China but over the last 20 years the economic differences between China and SK have evened up a lot. Relations between the two countries are also better than it's been at any point in the past.

      The largest risk to China (and SK) if the NK government falls is famine. Millions of refugees heading north and south would have majorly destabilising effects on both of NK's neighbours and there is a high liklihood that the Kim dynasty would lash out at all its neighbours during its death throes.

      As for Yeltsin: Yes he stopped all aid, but it was restarted again as soon as he was deposed.

    42. Re:Tread Carefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A call to fighting is what lead to the first World War, and yet it accomplished no particular good end.

      Says the AC... pathetic... you go run off and hide behind your mother's skirt while real men take care of the problems...

      Calling people pathetic? References to mothers? Claims of self-importance? Is that all you have? A bunch of petty bluster?

      Exactly what problem are you taking care of? Heck, who taught you that your belligerence was a way to solve problems?

    43. Re:Tread Carefully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1 Illegible.

  10. Proving once again the UN and US are powerless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They pretend not to notice his nukes and his concentration camps http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2565240/Voices-damned-These-horrifying-stories-concentration-camp-victims-reveal-chilling-clarity-week-North-Korea-likened-Nazi-Germany.html

    1. Re:Proving once again the UN and US are powerless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      considering the US still runs its own concentration camp and some of the ones it ran in the middle east are the reason IS exists it isn't surprising they don't want to throw stones about that.

  11. Completely impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    in 1994 President Bill Clinton signed a deal with North Korea which he bragged would prevent North Korea from going nuclear. He promised his deal would "does not rely on trust. Compliance will be certified by the International Atomic Energy Agency."

    North Korea cannot possibly go nuclear. This Clinton deal to prevent it was made by the same Democrat party hack turned expert international negotiator who negotiated Obama's deal to guarantee Iran will not go nuclear.

    The next thing you know, the Democrats will tell us that preventing these two countries from going nuclear is what qualifies Hillary Clinton to move back into the White House bringing Bill back as her first lady. After all, she was first lady when the Korea deal was done, so she's an expert on that one and she was appointed Sec State in time to be actually involved in the second, so we can be certain she's "well qualified" to negotiate a lot more like these. Or not.

  12. Re:NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    "NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does not win as he will crush NK."

    But if the cyber team is too successful it will elect Sanders, who will bomb NK in grounds that the plutonium reactors could be used to generate power.

  13. Interesting rant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    1. The Democrat-founded KKK did NOT endorse Trump. Only the sort of stupid people who get their news from Comedy Central and SNL and therefore think Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house, also fall for the lie that the Klan endorsed Trump. (Also: Democrats are routinely endorsed by rapists and murderers and communists - no politician controls who endorses them, so be careful about such connections even if the Klan DOES endorse)

    2. When a Democrat illegally hacked Sarah Palin's e-mail account and dumped it out for the whole world to see and the left-wing hacks at the New York Times encouraged everybody to help "crowd source" the effort to find dirt, they came up empty. In other words: what Sarah did when she thought nobody was looking (nearly the definition of "character") turned out to be legal and ethical. Hillary clinton, on the other hand, ran a secret server to keep even legitimate government oversight at bay, and then she wiped-out over 30K e-mails, claiming they were about yoga and her daughter's wedding, when the courts came looking for them. So much for "character".

    3. Ted Nugent???? Really??? An aging rocker who used to be loved by the left until they discovered about a decade ago that he was not into drugs, was a gun guy and part-time sheriff who had a few rants which could be interepreted as "insensitive". Have you completely lost your mind, given the vile racist hate-filled rants of the people who've been supporters of Hillary and Bernie and Obama etc?????? Hang Ted Nugent around Trump's political neck if you like, as long as you also hang the black panthers and Rev Wright etc around Obama's and some of the far more nasty Hillary supporters around hers.

    At least Trump is not supported, as Hillary and Obama have been, by George Soros who was an actual servant of Adolph Hitler in WWII... That's worse than any individual on planet Earth who you could possibly claim is supporting Trump!

    The rules must be applied to all candidates evenly and consistently, or else you are just another partisan political hack.

    1. Re:Interesting rant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pretty sure most sane people would classify groups like the KKK as far worse than George Soros. they aren't even in the same league.

    2. Re:Interesting rant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, the sweet scent of hatred, untainted by facts. Just like a rotting corpse in the sun.

    3. Re:Interesting rant by Sique · · Score: 5, Informative
      Why does the completely misguided idea of George Soros aiding Hitler arise again and again? Just because he said in an interview, that the strong bond between him and his father during the early 1940ies made this time his most happy time in life, despite Budapest being ruled by the pro-Nazi Horthy regime and the constant danger of deportation? And indeed, George Soros was also lucky as the deportation of the hungarian jews stopped when Miklós Horthy ousted Döme Sztójay and installed Géza Lakatos as the next head of government and the Minister of the Interior Béla Horváth ordering Hungarian gendarmes to use deadly force against any deportation effort, thus the jews in Budapest were not deported, differently than the jews everywhere else in Hungary.

      There were even rumours spread George Soros would have been a member in the Hitler Youth, which is completely impossible with George Soros being hungarian, and the Hitler Youth being solely for german (and after the Anschluss also austrian) boys -- no exceptions made, especially not for an hungarian jew living in Budapest. Hungary, despite being dominated by Hitler Germany, was still a country on its own, and german civil organisations like the Hitler Youth or Kraft durch Freude didn't have any sub-organisations in Hungary. It's clear that those rumours are put into the world purposely to discredit George Soros, as they are completely unfounded and don't hold up to reality.

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    4. Re:Interesting rant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate and rotting corpse. The perfect description of Bernie's campaign!

    5. Re: Interesting rant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well after super tuesday Hillary had a transition team in the white house. The war is over, lay down your shield.

    6. Re:Interesting rant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, the sweet scent of hatred, untainted by facts. Just like a rotting corpse in the sun.

      Robert Byrd, KKK leader, DEMOCRAT :

      In the early 1940s, Byrd recruited 150 of his friends and associates to create a new chapter of the Ku Klux Klan in Sophia, West Virginia.

    7. Re:Interesting rant by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      1. The Democrat-founded KKK did NOT endorse Trump.

      http://www.politico.com/story/...

      Only the sort of stupid people who get their news from Comedy Central and SNL and therefore think Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house

      https://youtu.be/iGSJCDw3ZBw

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    8. Re:Interesting rant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, the sweet scent of hatred, untainted by facts. Just like a rotting corpse in the sun.

      Robert Byrd, KKK leader, DEMOCRAT :

      In the early 1940s, Byrd recruited 150 of his friends and associates to create a new chapter of the Ku Klux Klan in Sophia, West Virginia.

      Ah yet another individual who can't even figure out that Byrd repudiated the Klan and its racist ways, and who probably never heard of Strom Thurmond who himself went to the Republican party because he couldn't stand the Civil Rights turn that the Democrats were making.

      Yes, you can say that the decades of deplorable pandering to the Southern racists was a horrible thing in electoral history, but at least try to get some truth to the overall scope.

    9. Re:Interesting rant by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1
      I mean, technically the AC is right. In the article you linked, David Duke even says:

      In fact, I haven’t formally endorsed him.

      Of course, he then does go on to say he supports Trump at this point. Then again, he isn't in charge of the KKK any more either.

      To be clear: I don't support Trump, and I think he would be a disaster for America. But let's attack him for what he says and does, not who supports him.

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  14. It is not even 'lacking the will'... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It is both financially and socially/politically more beneficial to have NK there as another demonizable entity, along with Iran, Saudi Arabia, and many others. It is often overlooked how many other places have 'crimes against humanity' going on in them, including the ones closer to home (you deal with your own issues before sanctimoniously judging on others.) But distracting from issues at home is exactly what these places are used for. Propoganda showing how much worse you could have it if you lived elsewhere, even while your domestic government works overtime to subtly benefit from similiar, albeit more subdued tactics.

  15. Re:Just nuke NK already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep that would pretty much destroy the US, your right problem solved by getting China, South Korea, Japan and every other country in the region to side against the US and watch it sink into a pit.

  16. paranoid as fuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    north korea is paranoid as fuck

  17. Re:NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

    It seems Trumps policy is to abandon the region and leave South Korea and Japan to worry about the problem. Sounds more like he is happy to let North Korea go on their merry way.

  18. What else could she do? by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Keep in mind, Hillary isn't a diplomat. She had the Department of State tossed to her as a consolation prize to shut her idiot fans up. She has no negotiation skills, and waltzing into a meeting with the Norks with her usual "Qbey me, you fucking peasants!" attitude would be worse than doing fuck-all.

    -jcr

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    1. Re:What else could she do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind, Hillary isn't a diplomat. She had the Department of State tossed to her as a consolation prize to shut her idiot fans up. She has no negotiation skills, and waltzing into a meeting with the Norks with her usual "Qbey me, you fucking peasants!" attitude would be worse than doing fuck-all.

      -jcr

      And there really isn't much the US can actually do with/to North Korea anyway - the US has no trade with North Korea, no financial ties, nothing. The US can't take anything away from them. The US can pretty much only bribe them or bomb them. One encourages bad behavior, the other would be a bit extreme.

      Probably the most effective means the US could employ if the Norks get too crazy is to quietly remind the Chinese government that the US doesn't have to stand in the way of letting South Korea, Japan and especially Taiwan obtain their own nuclear arsenals. THAT would get the attention of the Chinese, who all too often seem to treat North Korea as their yapping, crazy lap dog. Taiwan has a huge economy, and China has always viewed it as part of China proper - letting them get nukes would de facto cement Taiwanese independence. But if the Norks keep being crazy, the Chinese get faced with the choice of muzzling their crazy lap dog or permanently losing something the Chinese really want.

    2. Re:What else could she do? by halivar · · Score: 1

      Our key leverage with North Korea is actually South Korea, by way of China. One of the diplomatic missives leaked by Snowden indicated that China sees its future economic interests lying with a reunited Korea centered in Seoul, not Pyongyang. To be honest, though, our influence in this increasingly inevitable event is minimal. China is the primary actor.

    3. Re:What else could she do? by D.McG. · · Score: 1

      The US can pretty much only bribe them or bomb them.

      If they want plutonium so badly, maybe we should provide them some! Even test it out for them right in the capitol. Kaboom!

    4. Re:What else could she do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The world is not a video game, psychopath. Those are real civilians you're suggesting we murder...

    5. Re: What else could she do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who might be trying to murder us. You forgot that part.

    6. Re: What else could she do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      North Korean civilians are trying to murder us? Wow, straight from Paranoiaville there. "We need a law to require everyone (except those who pay $10,000) to remove their brains before getting on airplanes, because North Korean farmers are trying to kill us!" "Yes, of course. This will make me feel much safer. Now please tell me who to vote for."

    7. Re:What else could she do? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      It would be better to fly a B-2 over and just drop a single small bomb on the nuke plant. It wouldn't take much of a bomb to force them to shutdown the plant. Also, they would have no proof of someone dropping a bomb, and not just a failure of their procedures.

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    8. Re:What else could she do? by jcr · · Score: 1

      Aw, don't get all butthurt just because I won't pretend that Hillary is a competent diplomat.

      -jcr

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    9. Re:What else could she do? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      https://slashdot.org/comments....

      Get some help, no one thinks you are winning anything. This isn't healthy obsessing over winning the argument so strongly that you believe you won when no one else does.

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    10. Re:What else could she do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coren22 speak for yourself caught lying about APK. He made you eat your words https://slashdot.org/comments.... , http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , https://slashdot.org/comments.... Eating your words != good nutrition and isn't healthy. Especially for your already poor reputation on this site. You're projecting you know you lost as well. Rightfully so. Shouldn't lie about others and get caught red-handed for it.

    11. Re:What else could she do? by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "The US has no trade with North Korea, no financial ties, nothing. The US can't take anything away from them."

      China's not in a much better position.

      They sell electricity and oil into NK and you'd think this might give them some leverage, but both supplies were cut off for 4 months in 2014 because of chinese displeasure with what the NKs were doing - it had _zero_ effect on NK's activities(*).

      NK was a Stalin creation and to this day the lion's share of international trade that NK has runs through the 50 mile-wide NK/Russia border - the approaches to this border are "no go" zones for foreigners for at least 30 miles each side.

      For this reason even a full naval blockade wouldn't work, assuming China could be convinced to buy into it (which may not take much persuasion, especially as chinese/SK relations are improving despite China's chest thumping in the area)

      (*) The NK elite simply take what they want and let the peasants starve, as usual.

      It's worth noting that the primary activity of the NK military is farming and the reason most people join is simply to get themselves and their families fed. Popular folklore has it that other than elite units, most NK military units do not have ammuntion except for commanding officers, as the first casualty during any conflict is most likely to be those commanding officers, from their own troops.

      It's quite likely that in the event of any kind of invasion, the invaders will be overwhelmed by surrendering "enemies" even though the structure imposes collective punishment on the families of those who attempt to escape from the country and would be expected to react the same way for the families of surrendering troops - that means an invading force would need to move swiftly to occupy the entire country in order to prevent this kind of attack, but the NK elite military is embedded everywhere and may take quite some effort to be dislodged (think: "Republican Guard")

      WRT SK bombardment: almost all positions of NK artillary are well known and dialled in, however they're also known to be heavily fortified, so a large, _accurate_ simultaneous attack would again be needed to knock them out. The interesting part is that the improved active targetting ability _built into_ projectiles that's being developed in conjunction with naval railguns might well enable such a scenario to play out from SK artillary batteries without needing thermobaric or nuclear weaponry.

      That said, having NK around as a remaining asian "bogeyman" is politically worthwhile for the USA. The sensible thing to do would be not to react to NK provokation and to find as much excuse as possible to make them a laughingstock - this would prevent them from using any reaction as justification for playing up the "USA monster" bogeyman amongst their own population. With hawks like Hilary or DonDon in the driving seat this might prove difficult.

  19. Re:NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    economically speaking China has far more power over the US than the US has over china. It would come down to who values their economy more. TRump unfortunately is very self centred and blinkered and still thinks of the US as a supreme economic power in the world and doesn't seem to understand that one of the Core pillars keeping the US economy alive is actually china.

  20. what we know... by zephvark · · Score: 1

    What we know about the U.S. intelligence community is that they always get things utterly wrong. They have done so for easily 60 years, since they grossly overestimated the Soviet military threat in size, science, and capacity.

    What we know about North Korea is that it loves to make bold boasts about having advanced technologies that turn out to either explode at the launchpad or to be photoshopped cardboard boxes.

    Fear level: 3. I'm modestly worried that the U.S. will do something insanely stupid, again, after having been persuaded that someone, somewhere, might have a Weapon of Mass Destruction. (As I recall, the few that were eventually found in Iraq turned out to be long-defunct weapons that the U.S. had supplied.)

  21. Re:NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    On the opposite, NK cybers will hack the vote so that Trump wins ; WW3 is the best exit scenario for NK.

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  22. Re:NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    After he has built that wall and taken care of ISIS... So actually, he will probably wreck his own country before he gets around to them.

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  23. But then by kilodelta · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If you can't get a lift vehicle off the ground without problems what good are those bombs?

    1. Re:But then by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      If you can't get a lift vehicle off the ground without problems what good are those bombs?

      Their airplanes work just fine. And Peking is within range, as is Tokyo.

      Or didn't you know that a nuclear weapon can be delivered by airplane? Hell, you can put a modern one into a large suitcase and deliver it via the daily commericial flight to Peking....

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    2. Re:But then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two problems with your statements.

      1) nuclear weapons are traditionally delivered by military aircraft by powers with state-of-the art stealth technology, or, in 100% of recorded cases, with air superiority won by months of hard fighting.

      2) North Korea doesn't have "a modern one" you can put into a large suitcase, unless you actually believe what Kim Jong Un says.

    3. Re:But then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M65_atomic_cannon

      Seoul is within artillery range.

    4. Re:But then by butchersong · · Score: 1

      A shipping container destined for Los Angeles would also be a fairly inexpensive solution.

    5. Re:But then by delt0r · · Score: 1

      A despite terrible Tom Clancy book plots, practically impossible to pull off. Bomb grade material is *very* hard to hide.

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  24. I'd be worried by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

    If I was a North Korean citizen living anywhere around the potential launch sites, seeing how successful their launches are. Seems far more likely these bombs would turn into a local dirty bomb than actually manage to get to whatever target. I would say it's getting close to Stuxnet them, but it seems like NK is doing enough damage to themselves.

  25. Re:NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does by Mashiki · · Score: 2

    Obama has already done a pretty good job at that, much like Cameron did in the UK.

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  26. Re:NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obama has created a messy house definitely done very little positive, but trump wants to come in and shit in the bed and then roll around in it. You are talking degrees of bad and Trump is someone that can make Obama look good which is just sad.

  27. Re: Just nuke NK already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then we nuke all of them. We nuke everyone. No countries left to get mad, problem solved.

  28. Re:NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    It seems Trumps policy is to abandon the region and leave South Korea and Japan to worry about the problem. Sounds more like he is happy to let North Korea go on their merry way.

    No, his policy seems to be more oriented around getting those parties to pick up more of the tab for using the US military as their muscle. Which seems very reasonable. Obviously we (in the US) have a strong vested interest in not having chaos erupt there (we do tons of trade with Japan and South Korea, as well as their many neighbors), so it's not like we'd just leave. But there's no reason that J&K can't shoulder more of the costs. Much like Europe ought to.

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  29. About Six Planes by sycodon · · Score: 1

    Bombing the crap out of North Korea's infrastructure should take about 6 planes with two bombs each.

    Everything else is just barren wasteland.

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  30. Oh no! by Badlight · · Score: 1

    This is terrible news! It means that North Korea might actually become a viable, independent state that we cannot contain with economic sanctions and foreign policy arm-twisting.

    That means that we might have to (gasp!) actually talk to them and treat them as a legitimate government with the right to sovereignty over their own land.

    Has anyone else noticed that our "non-proliferation" programs have done nothing but increased nuclear weapon proliferation?

  31. Re:NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, his policy seems to be more oriented around getting those parties to pick up more of the tab for using the US military as their muscle. Which seems very reasonable. Obviously we (in the US) have a strong vested interest in not having chaos erupt there (we do tons of trade with Japan and South Korea, as well as their many neighbors), so it's not like we'd just leave. But there's no reason that J&K can't shoulder more of the costs. Much like Europe ought to.

    Even Trump aside, that runs a risk of those same groups weighing the balance in a manner that does not favor the US, as the more they provide on their own, the less they need the US, and the less they need, the less they might want.

    Or the more they might want from the US.

    That too is reasonable.

  32. It doesn't take much of a reactor to by pjv936 · · Score: 1

    breed the Plutonium need for atomic bombs. If Iran had really wanted nuclear weapons we couldn't have stopped them.

    1. Re:It doesn't take much of a reactor to by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "If Iran had really wanted nuclear weapons we couldn't have stopped them."

      Iran has enough highly enriched uranium (up to 55%) to make several hundred bombs.

      They've made no move whatsoever towards even beginning to make one. All that enriched uranium is sequestered for use as the core of their civil nuclear program (you need a lot more enriched uranium to start a reactor than you need to make bombs)

      That isn't my opinion, it's one published by MOSSAD. In their opinion the Iranians have no desire whatsoever to build nuclear weapons

      So yes, you're right - more to the point, the USA intelligence services knew it too, but continued their "iran nuclear bogeyman" posturing for several decades because it suited them to do so.

  33. Failed launches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Were they truly failed launches? Or, were they able to get high enough, if launched from a freighter of the East/West/Gulf coasts to blanket the us with EMP bursts?

  34. What to Do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like North Korea will soon achieve a "believable defense" required for a non-allied country in a world filled with nuclear weapons. Congratulations! Now you can start building nationwide infrastructure for the benefit of the people, without the fear of being attacked.

  35. Sounds like are confident that Hilary will win by no1nose · · Score: 2

    And the US will continue to have weak foreign policy.

  36. This is related to IT how? by BrendaEM · · Score: 1

    This is a provocative interesting article, that has little to do with information, technology, computers, AI, web design, graphics, processors, memory, social networking, computer security, network protocols, IP addresses, hacking, writing code, Linux, Windows, OSX....

    As with every news article I see, I always ask myself:
    1.) Why is this article here.
    2.) Who wanted it here.

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  37. Re: NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wtf does that have to do with anything? Donald doesn't like a judge because she's Mexican , a lawyer doesn't like a judge because he's a man and doesn't have perspective on rape.

    Wtf does this have anything to do with the discussion at hand? Give me one good thing please. You are grasping at straws here. Community of the wrongly accused. Give me a break.

    You can't see the irony in that piece you linked? They want us to forgive Trump for what he said, but curse the other for what they said. Two wrongs don't make a right, we learned this at age 2-3.

    So because another person said something equally as egregious as Trump did, that somehow makes trump wrongfully accused? Just a bunch of cock holding. That's all I read. And has nothing at all relating to the topic at hand.

  38. pre-emptive rodding of god? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    can a tungsten-rod from orbit downing near the lab create a eartquake hard enought to disrupt the centrifuge facility and ruin their work for years?

  39. Re:NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    see this is a risk noone in the US wants to take, because if they have to pay they might well build their own armies and not fund the american war machine, or supplant the reason it exists in its overarching incarnation

  40. Re:NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but trump wants to come in and shit in the bed and then roll around in it. You are talking degrees of bad and Trump is someone that can make Obama look good which is just sad.

    You keep telling yourself that.

    What!? So you think a law professor that thinks a Judge that gave a slap on the wrist to a RAPIST , and should be put off the bench; is worse then the bigoted misogynistic statements Trump has made? Are you kidding me?!?!. I agree with her,. The judge let a RAPIST off the hook just because the attacker and he both went to Stamford. Talk about White privilege. That Judge should be pulled from the bench and disbarred and the kid should be going away for at least 6 years.

  41. Re:NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Well, we all know that power corrupts...

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  42. Re:NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    I see that as a net win, we have more money to spend domestically, and all these countries start footing their own bills.

    It worked out so well for the Philippines, they are begging us to protect them from scary China.

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  43. Re:NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your net LOSE was you stuck your FOOT in your mouth and apk made you eat your words 3 times hahaha https://slashdot.org/comments.... , http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , https://slashdot.org/comments....

  44. Is it just me? by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    Or does a 5MW nuclear reactor sound very very small. Like small enough that it is one of those experimental ones that produce medical isotopes. Also if it is so small, how is is producing enough "material" for 100+ bombs? Reactors are usually measured by the GW. This would be what, a 0.005 GW facility? Makes me a bit skeptical of the estimated claims.

    Also with that last statement being that all their attempts of launching missiles end with blowing them up prematurely, it sounds like if even were they to build some warheads, they are likely more a danger to themselves than anyone else...

    Whatever the case, this is probably just more posturing for more aid and less sanctions like they do every couple of years. I have a feeling that should they ever become a menace or real danger, they would suddenly find themselves in an overwhelming internal military coup and become a protectorate of China.

    1. Re:Is it just me? by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "Or does a 5MW nuclear reactor sound very very small. Like small enough that it is one of those experimental ones that produce medical isotopes."

      Small is relative.

      5MW is enough to drive a nuclear sub or power a small military base.
      Civil reactors are in the 600-1400MW range (electrical, thermal is 3.5 to 4 times that)

      The Oak Ridge Molten Salt experiment was 8MW (thermal)

      Medical reactors only produce a few hundred watts of heat.

    2. Re:Is it just me? by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      OK this is what I was thinking about, produces about 1/3rd the medical isotopes in the world:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Apparently it doesn't generate power at all. Yet supplied the US with about 12kg of weapons grade plutonium a year for about 20 years. Apparently 6kg is enough for a Nagasaki sized bomb.

      So why even mention the power generation size if it doesn't really have any baring on plutonium production at all? Just confuses the issue (least for me).

  45. Re:NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    https://slashdot.org/comments....

    Delusional thinking is not healthy. Seek help, you are the only person who thinks you are winning the argument.

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  46. Re:NK cyber team will hack the vote so trump does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 eating your words isn't healthy. It's not good nutrition! Apk made you EAT YOUR WORDS 3 times https://slashdot.org/comments.... , http://slashdot.org/comments.p... , https://slashdot.org/comments....