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Julian Assange: Google is 'Directly Engaged' In Hillary Clinton's Campaign (infowars.com)

An anonymous reader writes from a report via Infowars: Speaking to the "New Era of Journalism: Farewell to Mainstream" symposium, Wikileaks founder Julian Assange stated Google is "directly engaged" with the presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton. Assange said, "The chairman of Google, Eric Schmidt, set up a company to run the digital component of Hillary Clinton's campaign." As reported by Quartz in late 2015, an under-the-radar startup known as "The Groundwork" was funded by Schmidt "to ensure that Clinton has the engineering talent needed to win the election." Assange went on to say that "[...] once Hillary Clinton becomes president, those people in Google, like Jared Cohen, will be placed into positions around the new Clinton presidency." Controlling the majority of the world's smart phones, Assange adds, raises even more serious concerns in light of the company's growing and monopolistic influence. "Google controls 80 percent of the smart phone market through its control of Android and if you control the device itself -- that people use to read -- then anything that they connect to through that device you have control over as well. [...] Google has gotten into bed with the Obama administration in a very significant way," Assange stated. "It is the company that visits the White House more than any other -- averaged once per week in the last 4 years."

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  1. Democracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sounds more like monopoly than democracy

    1. Re:Democracy? by fey000 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Go directly to jail, do not pass Go(ogle)

    2. Re:Democracy? by jenningsthecat · · Score: 4, Funny

      He is hiding from Sweden. The country known for neutrality.

      Ummm... Did you perhaps mean Switzerland? Then again, I don't think Assange is hiding from the Swiss.

      That 'sw' combination at the beginning of a word can be confusing. Of course, so can that 'wh' combination. You know, as in whore...

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    3. Re:Democracy? by johanw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sweden has been known before to do as the US commands. Like in the scientology case: http://merlin.obs.coe.int/iris... The government was corrected by the courts, but the documents in question could not be requested anymore as before.

    4. Re:Democracy? by ultranova · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sounds more like monopoly than democracy

      What we have is corporate plutocracy. Google will push it towards technocracy, which is probably a good thing. Furthermore, Google receives its revenue through targeted advertising, which requires making sure people have at least some disposable income and communication channels which make it possible to profile them.

      You'll always have a corporate overlord as long as you have capitalism, so why not a reasonably enlightened one?

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    5. Re:Democracy? by matbury · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You don't have to like Assange or support him to believe what he says. I'm sure there are a lot of people fact checking right now and if we don't hear any rebuttals, we can assume he's more or less right.

      We're all media whores now that social media is a thing ;)

      Re: "they are charging him for rape" -- No they aren't. No charges have been made.

      Two women filed complaints of "sexual misconduct," which the UK doesn't recognise as a crime. Sweden has some very progressive, pro-feminist laws to protect women from being sexually exploited, which is a good thing, but in this case, the law is being abused.

      One of the women has since withdrawn her complaint.

      Extraditing Assange under these circumstances would be unprecedented under UK legal history.

      This is one of many reasons why several countries offered Assange political asylum.

      The UK is also breaking international treaties by not allowing Assange safe passage to his country of asylum.

      There's more than likely a sealed indictment against Assange in the US and Sweden would more than likely agree to extradite him to the US.

      Looking at recent history, there's a very real likelihood that Assange wouldn't get a fair trial in the US.

      Also, looking at recent history, Assange would more than likely be subjected to cruel, degrading, and inhuman treatment, and possibly torture in the US.

      Assange's main crime is investigative journalism that led to some very powerful people getting embarrassed. Assange will more than likely continue to be persecuted and vilified as a "lesson" to anyone else considering doing some effective investigative journalism.

    6. Re:Democracy? by quax · · Score: 2

      Well, in their defense, they did promise to do no evil.

    7. Re:Democracy? by dcw3 · · Score: 2

      You'll always have a corporate overlord as long as you have capitalism, so why not a reasonably enlightened one?

      Not if we properly enforced the anti-trust laws. Monopolistic behavior is not capitalism. And enforcement of that is required to actually have competition, which is one of the primary goals.

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    8. Re:Democracy? by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      Re: "they are charging him for rape" -- No they aren't. No charges have been made.

      The Swedish criminal justice system is different from ours. They have different terms, and they don't really line up. Sweden wants to bring Assange to Sweden to stand trial, which is pretty much equivalent.

      Two women filed complaints of "sexual misconduct," which the UK doesn't recognise as a crime.

      The UK does not extradite for offenses that are not crimes under UK law. Assange challenged the extraditions in UK courts, and they found that what he was accused of would be a serious crime in the UK. I think you're again working with mistranslations. (FWIW, my state doesn't have laws against rape. It has laws against criminal sexual conduct. That doesn't mean it's OK to hold a woman at gunpoint and rape her.)

      The UK is also breaking international treaties by not allowing Assange safe passage to his country of asylum.

      Nope. Assange is wanted to face normal criminal charges, nothing political about it. He's wanted for a trial on rape charges (or the equivalent) in Sweden, and he's a fugitive from justice in the UK. There's absolutely nothing in international law that says a wanted criminal gets to leave the country.

      There's more than likely a sealed indictment against Assange in the US and Sweden would more than likely agree to extradite him to the US.

      First, you're paranoid. There's no evidence for a sealed indictment, and I don't know what he could be charged with. Second, extradition from Sweden when extradited from the UK would require approvals from both the UK and Sweden, so it would have been easier to do it earlier. Third, Assange voluntarily went to Sweden, apparently thinking that he wasn't likely to be extradited to the US, and this specter of extradition or extraordinary rendition didn't seem to come up until after the incidents with the women.

      Looking at recent history, there's a very real likelihood that Assange wouldn't get a fair trial in the US.

      Of course not. He wouldn't get a trial. He wouldn't get punished or anything without a trial in the US. The US simply doesn't want him. He never entered the US, and is not a US citizen. He published leaked information, which is perfectly legal in the US. (The person who violated US law in this affair has been convicted and sentenced.) Now, if he were to enter the US (and we'd probably refuse him entry) and commit a crime, he would get a reasonably fair trial, unless he went for a plea bargain.

      Assange's main crime is investigative journalism

      Which is perfectly legal in the US, BTW. From my point of view, his main crime seems to have been certain sexual conduct with a couple of women.

      The evidence is consistent with the theory that he went to Sweden voluntarily, committed sex crimes in Sweden, fled to the UK to avoid trial, and then made up crap about political persecution to avoid facing the consequences of his actions. It isn't very consistent with the theory that he was framed or falsely accused for political purposes.

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  2. No comaony makes it that far. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No company gets the breadth of google without getting in bed with the government.

  3. Re:CROOKED hillary will be busted by Donald J. Tru by axewolf · · Score: 2, Funny

    look its a propaganda bot

  4. Re:Well, it is either her or Trump. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Clinton is going to get Trumped. Trump's presidency is going to be a fucking disaster, but like the Phoenix, maybe the American political system will be born again. This time with more parties, choices and common sense.

    The only thing that would guarantee the Democrats a likely victory is if Sanders is chosen as their nominee in the DNC. His lead in the opinion polls against Trump is in the double-digits range whereas Clinton vs Trump figures are within the margin of error.

  5. Re:No company makes it that far. by chromaexcursion · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >No company gets the breadth of google without getting in bed with the government.
    very insightful. correcting typos and reposting

  6. Re: and we should care? by thesupraman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And yet.. Somehow.. He seems to care more about the manipulation of democracy than you do..
    Interesting. Isn't it.
    Trump is a childish idiot.
    Clinton is a corrupt weasel.
    Good luck America. Really. It's going to be rough.

  7. Re:This is why we need Windows Phone! by WarJolt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft was selling secrets to the NSA before Google was even founded. Where do you think the NSA got the idea to start Google anyway?

  8. Stranger Than Fiction by Edis+Krad · · Score: 2

    Wasn't something like this portrayed in House of Cards?
    Also, would love to see some evidence to the fact, though I have to admit it doesn't sound so farfetched.

  9. Re:Well, it is either her or Trump. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Bending over is easy. Standing up straight again is the hard part.

  10. Re:Well, it is either her or Trump. by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I found this to be an interesting idea of why he isn't quitting yet. Basically, they hypothesize the Sanders is having the most excitement he's ever had in his life.....much more than the rallies in Vermont. And people are actually listening to him. All the attention is intoxicating.

    Like I know if that's true.

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  11. Re:Well, it is either her or Trump. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OP here; yes he did lose big indeed. But this doesn't change the Trump vs {Clinton|Sanders} setup. Sanders still has the upper hand in polls against Trump.

    It seems that a significant portion of Sanders supporters are not willing to vote for Clinton no matter what. They either don't vote or vote for Trump. But Clinton supporters, on the other hand, seem to be willing to vote for Sanders even if Clinton lost the nomination.

    But yeah, it's obvious that Clinton has accumulated so much political capital and influence that she'll blow through the rest of this circus and secure the nomination. She's got so much dirt on her, though, that I have no faith in her ability to win the election. There's also that 1-5% chance she'll get indicted for her email debacle. Hell, even if she *doesn't* get indicted, it's still bad for her (makes her look like a corrupt snake squirming away from legal troubles). It sucks when there's only bad choices, ain't it?

  12. Re:Well, it is either her or Trump. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I suspect he isn't quitting because he can still win. It involves all the superdelegates switching sides, but it can still happen.

    Now why would the superdelegates switch to Bernie? Well, the FBI hasn't finished their investigation in Hillary Clinton's time as Secretary of State yet...

  13. Re:Well, it is either her or Trump. by loonycyborg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There isn't a better side. The president is a cosmetic figure who doesn't govern day to day affairs. Someone who is changed every 5 years simply doesn't have enough time to become an effective administrator. Instead president has to rely on actual bureaucrats who implement what they want. And president's only job is to present those bureaucratic decisions to people and to convince them that those are good decisions.

  14. Re:This is why we need Windows Phone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > Where do you think the NSA got the idea to start Google anyway?

    Holy cow! You stole my idea!

    (Well, not seriously, more of a "great minds think alike :-)

    Back then, in the early 2000s, when Google was still Doing No Evil(TM), I ran around telling people: "if Google ain't a NSA invention, the NSA ain't worth their salt."

    Yeah, conspiracy and that. I'm enough of a scientist to know that this was an unverifiable (and unfalsifiable) hypothesis, at least for means whithin my reach, but hey -- having watched the success of AltaVista, there was a real story for a company which people *willingly* gave all the details of their dirty laundry to. And the NSA was, at the time already a champion in data indexing and analysis. And it financed itself! What's not to like!

    If world's largest employer of mathematicians (which the NSA was at this time) doesn't come up with this idea... they ain't doing their job.

    BTW: watch this success story repeat itself: people paying for their own tracking devices (smartphones), paying for the listening-in devices (Amazon Echo et al). A couple of years ago those things got installed by state agents in your living room *at their own fucking cost*

    Bah.

  15. Re:Well, it is either her or Trump. by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Insightful

    His lead in the opinion polls against Trump is in the double-digits range whereas Clinton vs Trump figures are within the margin of error.

    Funny that I keep hearing that, and yet every time the media and pollsters open their mouths the opposite happens. Jumping back to the recent past, you even had the flappy headed media and pollsters saying that Trump wouldn't succeed to make it to October of last year. Ol'Nick at 538 got so up set he threw a hissyfit and started acting like a child. Media? Same deal. Hillary and Sanders supporters? Well some of them opted for open violence along with illegals. Some news organizations? Vox and Huffpo are all for rioting and using violence against Trump.

    Keep going guys, you're proving Trump right.

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  16. Re: What about a comaony like Google? by Rei · · Score: 3, Informative

    Julian Assange has previously done great work unmasking the nefarious schemes of Google to enslave the world.

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  17. Re:Well, it is either her or Trump. by jklovanc · · Score: 2

    When most superdelegates declared support for Clinton Sanders shouted that superdelegates should not override the popular vote. Now that he has soundly lost the popular vote he is stating the exact opposite. And people say Sanders is not a politician.

  18. Re: and we should care? by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 2

    And yet.. Somehow.. He seems to care more about the manipulation of democracy than you do.. Interesting. Isn't it. Trump is a childish idiot. Clinton is a corrupt weasel. Good luck America. Really. It's going to be rough.

    And yet when I'm asked to choose between bad and worse, to decide who controls the worlds second largest nuclear arsenal on earth (by a small margin), I'd choose the corrupt weasel over the childish idiot every time but then I'm not an American so I can only watch and hope that the US public rejects the childish idiot. Having said that I am still puzzled over why the American people don't see to it that there is more (or better) choice. You'd think that as exasperated as a large portion of the American people seem to be with the Rep/Dem duopoly that they'd set up alternative political parties. It happens in other democracies all of the time. At the very least you guys could force a popular reform of the SNAFU that are the Rep/Dem primary election processes. There is something seriously wrong with your democratic process when primaries have become so manifestly corrupt and stupid that stand-up comedians don't even have to come up with jokes about them, they simply have to matter-of-factly tell the audience how the process works to reap roaring laughter.

  19. Re:Well, it is either her or Trump. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not convinced. Trump is an egomaniac who would likely spend most of his term fighting with congress and failing to get anything done. Hillary is a corrupt establishment authoritarian who knows the system well enough to actually achieve things (though things that are good for the people are not very high on her to-do list). I think I'd prefer that the US had an inept clown as President than someone who is effective but actively malicious.

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  20. Re:How can anyone get that upset with Hillary? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    I'm really wondering how people can sustain such strong negative emotions towards Hillary ...

    She's an amoral, crooked, corrupt, lying dirtbag without a single accomplishment outside of marrying Bill.

    She slut-shamed women her husband may very well have raped - attacking any woman who made any claim that Bill harassed or raped her with a "nuts-and-sluts" attack. THEN she turns around and says, "Every woman's accusation of rape or harassment needs to be believed."

    She has continuously lied about her ILLEGAL email server - "If they can't, turn into nonpaper w no identifying headings and send nonsecure" - hrod17@clintonemail.com. Of COURSE there were no classified emails with classification markings on them on her server - SHE TOLD HER AIDES TO REMOVE THE MARKINGS!. Oh yeah, that email is pretty much proof that Hillary committed multiple felonies with her ILLEGAL server. She lied about other Secretaries of State using private email. She's lied when she said the FBI isn't conducting a CRIMINAL investigation of her server.

    The Clinton Foundation is crooked as the day is long. Secretary of State Hillary! took millions of dollars in "donations" from foreign states WHILE MAKING DECISIONS ON THINGS LIKE WHETHER TO SELL THEM WEAPONS.

    The REAL question is, "How much are you getting paid to ask your question?"

  21. Re:CROOKED hillary will be busted by Donald J. Tru by alexhs · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't know - where's your dignity, if you don't mind my asking?

    I don't know, concealed carried ?

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  22. Re: Revenge! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This story is the first time I have thought 'trump can't be worse than that cunt'.

    Then I read comments from trump supporters.

    America, you are so fucked.

  23. Re:Well, it is either her or Trump. by Rei · · Score: 4, Informative

    He's only 6 years older than Clinton. She's 68.

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  24. Re:Well, it is either her or Trump. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Six years is a big difference among senior citizens, and gender life expectancy difference makes the contrast stronger.

  25. Re:Well, it is either her or Trump. by peragrin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think the opposite.

    Republicans would be so happy to have a president they will rubber stamp or be string armed by trump. Just look at how many jumped to his bandwagon and not call him out on his comments.

    Where as 20% of Democrats and all Republicans don't like Hillary which is enough to grind Congress to a halt.

    Remember nothing has been done the last 6 years because Republicans have done what they were voted in to do nothing. Stop Obama at all costs. Hillary will get that same treatment. Trump will strong arm his way through using the Republican ideal if you aren't with us then you are against us.

    Either way both will be bad for the future. I am hoping Gary Johnson can get his name out there more. Don't normally care for libertarians but he will be the best choice come November.

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  26. Re:Well, it is either her or Trump. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    I'm not voting for trump, I'm writing in Bernie if necessary because fuck this system anyway, but I did vote for Schwarzenegger on that basis and as a plan it had no drawbacks. Moonbeam has been shit, Arnie accomplished nothing, the logic was proven out in that case. I'm not sure it would work here, though. It depends on Trump's appointments. You can be sure they will be shit. The thing is, you can be sure that Clinton's would be shit, as well. It's all bad if it's not Bernie.

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  27. "a report via Infowars" by wiredog · · Score: 4, Informative

    Good thing we aren't giving any credence to any wingnut conspiracy sites.

  28. Re: and we should care? by markdavis · · Score: 2

    >"You'd think that as exasperated as a large portion of the American people seem to be with the Rep/Dem duopoly that they'd set up alternative political parties."

    We already do. The Libertarian party is a good example. But it doesn't matter because our stupid voting system makes it nearly impossible for any third-party to ever win any important election.

    http://fairvote.org/

  29. Four more years by tomhath · · Score: 3, Informative

    Google and Obama have been scratching eachother's backs for the past eight years. No surprise that their next purchase was Hillary.

  30. Bernie almost certainly won't get nominated by sjbe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I suspect he isn't quitting because he can still win. It involves all the superdelegates switching sides, but it can still happen.

    Lots of things can happen in theory that won't in reality. Yes in principle he could still get the nomination. It is extremely unlikely at this point unless Hillary has a major medical issue or some other catastrophe occurs that her campaign can't manage. I would probably prefer Bernie as the candidate but it would take a minor miracle for him to get the nomination at this point.

    Now why would the superdelegates switch to Bernie? Well, the FBI hasn't finished their investigation in Hillary Clinton's time as Secretary of State yet...

    They won't switch to Bernie unless Hilllary drops out. Wishful thinking to assume otherwise. If the FBI hasn't got anything yet regarding the private server I very much doubt it will ever be a real issue beyond some poo for republicans to fling at her.

    What I don't get about Hillary is why she seems to draw such special hate from some people. I get disagreement with her political stances and have no problem with an honest difference of opinion. I don't agree with much of what she says as well but it seems to be more than that. Clearly some of the ire is poorly disguised sexism. A powerful smart woman scares a lot of insecure people both men and surprisingly many women too. Many claim they don't trust her but there is NO evidence that she is meaningfully more or less trustworthy than most any other politician running for high office. To get to high office almost by definition means doing some things that put skeletons in your closet. By default I assume all of them are power seeking self interested liars and if you don't then you are an idiot. I don't trust Hillary but I don't trust any of her opponents (except maybe Bernie by just a little) any more than her and some I trust far less (Trump) with real power. At least with Hillary I have a pretty good idea what I'm getting even if I have to hold my nose at times.

    1. Re:Bernie almost certainly won't get nominated by Talderas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the FBI hasn't got anything yet regarding the private server I very much doubt it will ever be a real issue beyond some poo for republicans to fling at her.

      The FBI has enough evidence that they believe is cause for an indictment. The Department of Justice is just sitting on it and not pursuing the indictment. Why would they? Why would the Democrat lead DoJ do something that would wreck the candidacy of their party's Presidential candidate?

      The larger risk to Hillary right now isn't even the email scandal. It's perjury and that's why there's pushes to get Obama to issue a preemptive pardon to Hillary for whatever crimes she may have committed. A charge of perjury is not likely to be taken lightly because it can easily be played into the lying politician bias that most people have.

      The whole thing is sleazy and it's showing just how incestuous DC can be.

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    2. Re:Bernie almost certainly won't get nominated by johanw · · Score: 2

      > What I don't get about Hillary is why she seems to draw such special hate from some people

      For those outside the US, Hillary is the hawk urging for "regime change" and invading other countries. With her as president, it won't take long before the next war(s) start and other countries are called upon to clean the US-caused mess. Trump is more focused inward, proposes a more isolationalist view and seems less likely to mess up anywhere else on the planet.

  31. Re:CROOKED hillary will be busted by Donald J. Tru by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The EU referendum in the UK has been a total disaster. The Leave side in particular just spews lies and half truths, repeating them often enough for them to become facts in some people's minds. I mean easily verifiable lies too, completely bare faced.

    The worst part are the voters though. You hear endless moronic complaints. "We just want the facts", as if there is someone out there with a crystal ball who can see all possible futures and tell them exactly what will happen in either case. Are these people shocked when the weather forecast turns out to be wrong? Well, presumably not, because the other standard argument is that anyone who has ever been wrong about anything ever cannot be trusted. Apparently they only want to listen to those people making economic predictions who have never been wrong, if only the biased liberal media would allow them on TV...

    I heard someone complaining that she didn't know who here MEPs are or who to vote for when the European elections come round. Literally complaining that she is too ignorant to vote and unable to do anything about it, like google the answer.

    The whole thing has become dominated by memes. You have the "get rid of red tape" meme, that always avoids mentioning exactly what red tape they want to get rid of because a) all red tape is bad, even the stuff that covers that gap in the fence by the cliff, and b) it's workers rights and occupational safety, lead in paint etc, the stuff that costs businesses money. Then you have the particularly nasty "immigrants are responsible for everything that's wrong" meme that seems to ignore recent history, and the "I know how to fly this plane better than you" meme about taking back control from Brussels.

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  32. Re:Well, it is either her or Trump. by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It sucks when there's only bad choices, ain't it?

    This has described every Presidential election in my lifetime. If Sanders were the nominee it would have been different for once...

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  33. Re:CROOKED hillary will be busted by Donald J. Tru by GLMDesigns · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So what do you do to control immigration? Who decides who enters the country: the citizens or non-citizens?

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  34. Re:Well, it is either her or Trump. by JackieBrown · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Glad they are picking the better side.

    Easy to say that if you do most of your research using Google.

    To see the bias in an easy visible way, just look at the candidate photos they use for Hillary vs Trump on the primary results page.

    And then click on the candidates and see the 3 pics they have on the side to represent
    Hillary
    https://www.google.com/search?...
    Trump
    https://www.google.com/search?...

  35. Re:Well, it is either her or Trump. by MrKaos · · Score: 3, Funny

    Independents won't vote for Hillary - the second most hated major party candidate, or Drumpf - the first most hated major party candidate.

    They're both shining examples of what democracy looks like in a free country. America should be proud of producing such great representatives that both truly represent the interests of the people.

    No matter who gets elected it's going to be great as either of them will try their best to make the future great for the everyday person. America should rejoice, the people can't loose.

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  36. Re:Well, it is either her or Trump. by johanw · · Score: 2

    That's what the last Roman emperors also claimed. When the greatness needs to be specifically stated, you know the empire in in decay.

  37. Re: and we should care? by moeinvt · · Score: 2

    We have several alternative political parties. The Libertarian and Green parties are the most prominent, but we also have a Constitution Party, Justice Party and even a Socialist party.

    Year after year polls have shown that at least 2/3 of people in the USA want more viable parties, but every two years, most of those same people refuse to vote for the alternatives they're given.

    Of course when you have a two-party political duopoly, the two parties will do everything possible to prevent the rise of alternatives. Why would they ever reform the voting system so that we have IRV, "approval voting" or proportional representation? Ballot access is also made very difficult in most states and no other parties are allowed to participate in debates.

    Voting for Democrats or Republicans is a wasted vote. Given that those parties have chosen to nominate the worst candidates imaginable in this election, I'm *hoping* that we see a strong showing for the alternatives. If the Libertarians can get 2-3% of the vote, I'll be happy. If the Greens could do the same(Come on Sanders supporters!), it would be fantastic.

  38. Re:CROOKED hillary will be busted by Donald J. Tru by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've seen several of the privileged Sanders supporters make that claim. Their lack of empathy for the people who would be harmed the most by a swing to the fascist right has been noted.

  39. Re: Revenge! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Anybody can claim to be a "Trump supporter" and in fact anybody can play that game to smear someonfe they actually oppose.

  40. Re:CROOKED hillary will be busted by Donald J. Tru by jeremyp · · Score: 2

    If we leave the EU, there will be plenty to be afraid about.

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  41. Re: Revenge! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    No they can't. I am a Hillary supporter and we should kill all middle class white people.

  42. Same as the old boss by sjbe · · Score: 2

    For those outside the US, Hillary is the hawk urging for "regime change" and invading other countries.

    No more so than any number of Republicans and less than some of them. Yeah she's more hawkish than Bernie but that's not news.

    With her as president, it won't take long before the next war(s) start and other countries are called upon to clean the US-caused mess.

    Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. Can't be any worse than Bush the Lesser.

    Trump is more focused inward, proposes a more isolationalist view and seems less likely to mess up anywhere else on the planet.

    Spare me. The only thing Trump is focused on is the Trump brand. Trump isn't proposing any sort of focused policy and the "proposals" he has floated are idiotic. I shudder to think how fast Trump would manage to cause international incidents by running his mouth and his shoot first ask questions never approach to policy issues. 2/3 of the job of president is foreign relations and I can think of few people less appropriate for that job than Donald Trump.

  43. Re:CROOKED hillary will be busted by Donald J. Tru by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    One of the most prominent Leave campaigners claimed that staying in the EU risked women being raped by Muslims yesterday. The fear-mongering over immigration from that side is intense, far worse from than the mostly justifiable warnings about economic ruin if we leave.

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  44. Re:CROOKED hillary will be busted by Donald J. Tru by jeremyp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This:

    The Leave campaign consists entirely of lies. The Remain campaign has some good arguments, but that is apparently not good enough, they have to have lies too.

    The latest Leave meme is that we will not be safe in our beds because the EU won't let us deport foreign convicted criminals. They fail to mention

    a) that is false

    b) the majority of crime in Britain is committed by British people

    c) deporting criminals just dumps the problem on somebody else. Raped and murdered French people are not somehow worth less than raped and murdered British people.

    d) if we leave the EU, we'll have to take back all the British criminals that foreign countries are trying to get rid of but can't because of this mythical EU regulation.

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  45. Re:CROOKED hillary will be busted by Donald J. Tru by jeremyp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nobody has ever left the EU. We don't know if we'll be allowed to leave peacefully.

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  46. Re:Sorry Julian by Khyber · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sorry jafiwam, but you've not seen inside Julian's 'insurance' file nor Snowden's 'insurance' file.

    Until you can compare the two, you don't know jack shit, son.

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  47. Re:"No criminal wrongdoing" by Khyber · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The FBI has found "no criminal wrongdoing"."

    Why is this not a story on slashdot's front page, then?

    Oh, because Mediaite is a known bullshit news site.

    Try again when you have a clue about real unbiased news.

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  48. Re:CROOKED hillary will be busted by Donald J. Tru by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 2

    Opposing fascists isn't actually fascism, but yes, the Sanders supporters can be just as extreme as Trump supporters. Sanders didn't win the nomination because Democrats learned to marginalize their extremists, while the Republicans let the extremists take over the party.

  49. Re:Well, it is either her or Trump. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

    The Clinton family is plenty bent enough as it is.

  50. ahhhh by NetNed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So what about her big contributions she got from the supposedly evil Koch brother also??? No one going to cover that too?

  51. Re:CROOKED hillary will be busted by Donald J. Tru by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So facts are "fear mongering" to you now? You went off the deep end long ago. You're not only a danger to yourself, but others.

    Warnings about the economy are only justifiable because the EU assholes and globalists will do everything they can to punish the UK if they do leave (think trade embargoes, tariffs, bogus accusations justifying war against them, etc) . Other than that, the UK would do just fine on its own, like it always had.

  52. Re:CROOKED hillary will be busted by Donald J. Tru by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One of the most prominent Leave campaigners claimed that staying in the EU risked women being raped by Muslims yesterday. The fear-mongering over immigration from that side is intense, far worse from than the mostly justifiable warnings about economic ruin if we leave.

    Well that's actually true. It's been going on in many EU countries, and the extent of it is often suppressed. The response from German officials is that women in Germany should "cover up" when they go out, or make sure they have a male escort.

    The EU is now proposing quotas of middle eastern immigrants that all member countries must accept. So it might be fear-mongering, but it's based on facts and a predictable future outcome.

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  53. Re: Well, it is either her or Trump. by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    However there have been serious allegations of irregularities at the polls. In Illinois, neutral observers claim to have seen election workers blatantly changing votes in Hillary's favor. In other places, exit polls completely disagree with the official Democratic voting results. In New York, a huge number of people had their voter registrations "magically" changed from Democratic to Independent so they were prevented from voting in the (closed) primary.

    AFAIC, the election results are all completely invalid and I'm unwilling to accept them unless we have non-American UN election monitors come and hold all new elections here, using paper ballots. IMO, the whole thing has been rigged.

  54. How ironic by erp_consultant · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So here is Hillary Clinton having a speech last night after essentially securing the Democratic nomination. She touched on most of the typical democratic talking points...equality for all, helping the working class get a fair shot, etc. This is while wearing a $12,000 Armani jacket: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/06...

    If this isn't the height of arrogance I don't know what is. That jacket is worth more than the yearly salaries of some of her supporters. Not to mention that many of the people on her campaign are unpaid volunteers. At least when these phony celebrities show up on humanitarian missions in some of the poorest parts of the world they at least have the humility to leave the Rolex at home.

    This is the same party that was criticizing Trump for allegedly lying about how much money he raised for Veterans groups (he claimed 6 million, it was actually 5.6 million. By the time it's all said and done, it will be over 6 million). Emperor Hillary has donated a grand total of $75,000 to Veterans groups - over the past 8 years. This is from a woman with a net worth that far exceeds $100,000,000, much of it in dubious fashion. Am I surprised? Not in the least.

    I wonder how many of her supporters are made up of the following:

    1) People that support her solely based on the fact that she is a woman, putting aside past and current scandals and suitability for office questions.
    2) People that simply hate Trump, for whatever reason.

    What is striking to me is the popularity that Bernie Sanders still enjoys. I watched his speech last night in California and I'm telling you his supporters are worked up and they love this guy. I've read polls where up to 25% of Sanders supporters will not support or vote for Hillary. Some of them will even vote for Trump. That has to be alarming to the Clinton campaign, especially in light of Sanders vow to hang in to the bitter end.

    I would say that the Emperor has no clothes but evidently she does...expensive ones at that.

  55. Re:CROOKED hillary will be busted by Donald J. Tru by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 2, Insightful
    You can control immigration easily by doing some of the following:

    - don't give preferential treatment to the parents of anchor babies. They can get in line like everyone else.

    - do give preferential treatment to people with English skills as speaking the language of the country is an obvious win

    - do give preferential treatment to immigrants with desired skills which is again an obvious win

    - if you (or your family or other people you might sponsor) break laws then you get a fast track deportation.

    Essentially this is to say do what is best for the country and the legal citizens who live there. Not hard really.

  56. Re:Well, it is either her or Trump. by David_Hart · · Score: 2

    Hillary's already had a stroke. Bernie's in good health.

    A quick search indicates that Hillary had blood clots a few years ago, likely due to sever dehydration after having the flu (blood thickens causing a clot) based on what was reported by the doctors involved. There has been no evidence that she has had a stroke or, even if she did, that she is susceptible to having another one.

  57. Re:Google = R+D arm of the NSA by Maow · · Score: 2

    blah blah retarded bullshit blah

    Trump is a LIBERAL popularist who wears the clothes of a PARODY republican, because he is media savvy enough to understand that by playing the political game this way, he gains needed national support.

    So, that's why he's running for the REPUBLICAN party, and has the support of the REPUBLICAN voters and elected officials? And is detested by approximately 100% of liberals?

    You're saying REPUBLICANS fell for this parody of them? That would be stupid of them, wouldn't it?

    As for gaining national support, he has the highest disapproval rating of anyone in modern history, so that ain't working out.

    But sure, it all makes sense (if one suffers from traumatic brain injury or is just a raving partisan idiot).

  58. Re:CROOKED hillary will be busted by Donald J. Tru by Darinbob · · Score: 2

    You haven't been watching the news then or it's been going through some sort of pro-Trump filter.

  59. Re:CROOKED hillary will be busted by Donald J. Tru by Darinbob · · Score: 2

    Sure... and the right has always been on the side of the pure and holy since the beginning of the universe. The Nazis were just a socialist plot to discredit the right, Mussolini was a commie stooge, and so forth I suppose. Modern proponents of the "right" are insistent that no fascist was ever conservative or on the right because they are trying to create the myth the the right is always good and all evil throughout history has only come from the "left". Left and right are all illusions anyway and it's a simplistic notion that you can plot politics in a single dimension. Fascists were strong on authoritarianism, militarism, and nationalism, but inconsistent and vague with regards to economic and social policies.

  60. Re:Easy for the google to decide the election by shanen · · Score: 2

    Plausible, but I'm not sure he could have been so naive about the snake oil he was selling. It kind of depends if he's more of a salesman or a con artist.

    As a salesman, Trump would focus more on listening to what the customers want, and the so-called Republican primary voters have been quite clear on what they want, even if their clarity is often incoherent and contradictory. Some salesmen don't mind selling on both sides to different customers.

    As a con man, the Donald would be more focused on actively persuading the suckers to trust him, to feel the confidence in him that they needed to give him their money or votes. Trump University is just one impressive example of a big con, but he's been involved in plenty of other scams.

    Kind of hard to see clearly in the clouds of data and obfuscation, but I think Trump's overall track record is pretty clearly on side of con man.

    Of course, people also hate lawyers, so it isn't helping Hillary that she's a lawyer at heart.

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  61. Re: Well, it is either her or Trump. by Frank+Burly · · Score: 2

    Thanks. Only the Bernieite fringe worpress blog suggested actual malfeasance. The DailyKos article linked to by your inquisitr link suggested that that scandal was the crappyness of the machines. The NY purge issue was well publicized, and problematic, but neither that, nor the incompetent administration of the election in Arizona seem to have meaningfully benefitted Clinton. Rather than not voting, why don't you vote and be one of the poll watchers. If the whole thing really is rigged, you can report Irregularities to the FEC and press.