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Walmart Experimenting With Robotic Shopping Cart For Stores (bloomberg.com)

An anonymous reader writes from a report via Bloomberg: Bloomberg reports Walmart is working with a robotics company to develop a shopping cart that helps customers find items on their lists and saves them from pushing a heavy cart through a sprawling store and parking lot. The carts are a way for brick-and-mortar stores to stay relevant in the convenience factor to match the likes of Amazon and other online retailers, says founder and chief executive officer of Five Elements Robotics Wendy Roberts. She said on Tuesday at the Bloomberg Technology Conference 2016 that her company was working with the "world's largest retailer" on such a shopping cart. In 2014, Five Elements Robotics introduced Budgee, a personal robot that can follow its user around inside and outdoors and carry things. The robot costs $1,400 and is helpful for people with disabilities, says Roberts.

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  1. The World of Wall-E by ninthbit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We are almost there... just a little further to go till full Wall-E http://www.peopleofwalmart.com...

    1. Re:The World of Wall-E by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Shall we start the pool for how long after implementation it takes for one to be damaged by a fat person trying to ride it.

      captcha: disturbs

    2. Re:The World of Wall-E by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as you promise to never return.

      [Protip: It's not "Wall-E" Axiom, it's "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" B Ark.]

    3. Re:The World of Wall-E by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is EXACTLY what I thought of when I read this as well.
      While yes, it would be good for people with disabilities - how many will use it that don't need it? (Like the electric wheelchairs they have now.)

    4. Re:The World of Wall-E by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Oh but we cannot inconvenience these pillars of society!

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    5. Re:The World of Wall-E by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Dibs on "first use".

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    6. Re:The World of Wall-E by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, those electric carts they provide, I laugh when I see people using them who don't need to. My brother used to work at a grocery store and was talking how the employees never sat in them because people regularly crapped themselves while using them and the stores never really cleaned them. Eww. Go on teenagers, you think you're being all bad ass and funny and what not, but you're sitting in some 60 year old 600 pound ladies diarrhea.

    7. Re: The World of Wall-E by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Walmart is full of people with 'too goddamn fat to walk' disease.

    8. Re:The World of Wall-E by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Protip: It's not "Wall-E" Axiom, it's "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" B Ark.]

      No it's not. You're confusing people who are useless with the creatures currently blowing the tires out on the motorized scooters. It's easy to mistakes the 2, I know, but the Hitchiker's Ark people weren't all morbidly obese.

    9. Re:The World of Wall-E by TigerPlish · · Score: 2

      Whomever modded you off-topic didn't understand your comment. I found it insightful.

      Wall-E was meant as an indictment of consumerism, and according to tvtropes, that is word-of-god.

      We are almost there... just a little further to go

      I wish it were. I think we're headed to Idiocracy, instead, which is the insulting, in-your-face version of Wall-E

      Yes, I know Idiocracy was first. They both share the same message. Idiocracy goes even further, explicitly stating humanity got real dumb real fast.

      How do we go about un-doing the economic rape of 1970's to today? That's what this all really boils down to. There's where these big-box behemoths came from, that's where the demand for these bix-box behemoths came from. Cheaper prices because your dollar is worth so much less than before we got robbed.

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    10. Re:The World of Wall-E by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Self-driving Rascal scooters for everyone!

    11. Re: The World of Wall-E by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Walmart is full of people who are too fucking lazy to return the cart to the cart corral and fucking parked right next to it.

  2. Musice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What the hell is musice? They can't even look for typos on their own website and we're supposed to trust the A.I. in this thing?

    1. Re:Musice? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Ponder who's now using those electronic ass-lifting devices that were supposed to be for the disable... I mean "people with different needs".

      Ponder who's going to use those robots.

      Ponder whether you want these people to be hurt and maimed and whether your care for their survival.

      Ponder whether you really oppose the idea of implementing these robots ASAP.

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  3. WALL-E by interiot · · Score: 1

    Is it good for people to consume food without having to expend any calories?

    1. Re:WALL-E by gsslay · · Score: 1

      The big problem here is that Walmart's customers are still have the trauma of manually lifting the food into their gaping mouths. This robot needs added to it an arm with spoon.

  4. Opposite by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 3, Informative

    helps customers find items on their lists

    So the robot actually does the opposite of what stores want. Stores themselves like to make the customer take the least efficient way, because that brings the customer in contact with the most products. For the customers themselves, however, this might be useful.

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    1. Re:Opposite by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1
      The robot will most likely be advertising whats on offer as they go around

      "I think you should know we're doing a special on anti depressants at the moment! Would you like me to sit in the corner and rust or just fall apart where I'm standing?"

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    2. Re:Opposite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it'll take you there via the offers bit I'm sure :-)

    3. Re:Opposite by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      helps customers find items on their lists

      So the robot actually does the opposite of what stores want. Stores themselves like to make the customer take the least efficient way, because that brings the customer in contact with the most products. For the customers themselves, however, this might be useful.

      Well, if it helps people find things on their list, it can also be programmed to take the customers on specific routes past target/impulse buy products. So if someone has on their list diapers it might take them past the baby clothes isle, or past the DVD section if someone is buying a new TV. Then of course there's the potential to inject "suggested purchases"(ads) in an attempt to push the customer into making even more purchases.

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    4. Re:Opposite by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      but the robot will also help walmart cut down on shelf stokers when the stores be come more like big robo where houses

    5. Re:Opposite by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Can only be an improvement for them, considering now they're being big mofo whore houses.

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    6. Re:Opposite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An easy thing to fix, the cart can probably be programmed to take you by items the store is trying to sell, all while playing advertisements on the screen enticing you to buy these items.

    7. Re:Opposite by MacTO · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That probably depends upon the customer. The main reason why I go to Walmart is because I can be in an out in 10 minutes. At least for the store that I go to: the layout seems to put the most popular departments near the checkout, and the less frequented departments in the fringes. They also have a true express checkout lane (one line feeds six cashiers for people with small purchases).

      Sure, they want to snag impulse buys and they probably want to keep customers in the store longer to browser. On the other hand, impulse purchases don't require taking the lest efficient route. Getting customers in and out quickly is also in the store's best interest if it helps them retain customers. Remember, Walmart's business is to make money. Making money doesn't always mean going against the best interest of your customers.

    8. Re:Opposite by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      That probably depends upon the customer. The main reason why I go to Walmart is because I can be in an out in 10 minutes. At least for the store that I go to: the layout seems to put the most popular departments near the checkout, and the less frequented departments in the fringes. They also have a true express checkout lane (one line feeds six cashiers for people with small purchases).

      That's weird; the Wal-Marts I've been to are exactly the opposite: the stuff I'm in there to buy (usually things like milk or motor oil, but not at the same time) is inevitably at the far back corner of the store, and the registers are so understaffed that I spend 10 minutes just waiting to check out!

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    9. Re:Opposite by internerdj · · Score: 1

      You made the presumption that the path of finding items on the list will be the most direct or most efficient given store traffic and not the most profitable path that the customer will tolerate.

    10. Re:Opposite by MacTO · · Score: 1

      Perhaps it's the location that I go to. It's right next to a bus terminal and near a couple of major roads used by commuters. In other words, their customers are bound to be in a hurry. I'm also basing my assessment on where I see people in the store. For that location, milk is conveniently located and there is a lot of traffic in that part of the store. Motor oil is not conveniently located, but it doesn't seem to be an area that people frequent much either.

    11. Re:Opposite by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      helps customers find items on their lists

      So the robot actually does the opposite of what stores want. Stores themselves like to make the customer take the least efficient way, because that brings the customer in contact with the most products. For the customers themselves, however, this might be useful.

      Who said it will take you on the most efficient route? In produce and need milk? Takes you there via hardware, electronics, and socks isles. All while holding your items hostage so you have to follow it.

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    12. Re:Opposite by Strudelkugel · · Score: 1

      So the obvious question - why have the customer go in the store at all if a robot is going to do the work of getting the items? With clothing and other wearable it might be necessary to go in, but certainly not for most prepackaged items. There are a number of ways this could dramatically change shopping.

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    13. Re:Opposite by hey! · · Score: 1

      Which gets to what I hate about so much software these days: you end up fighting it because it has its own agenda. Software is seen by marketers not as tools for users to accomplish their own ends, but as a tool for the company to shape consumer behavior.

      When I started in this industry it was at a time when most people had never seen a computer, other than possibly Pong at the pinball parlor. We had a vision of software liberating people from drudgery -- and by in large that vision has succeeded beyond anything we expected was possible. But what we never expected was that software would create new and unprecedented forms of drudgery.

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    14. Re:Opposite by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      helps customers find items on their lists

      So the robot actually does the opposite of what stores want. Stores themselves like to make the customer take the least efficient way, because that brings the customer in contact with the most products. For the customers themselves, however, this might be useful.

      This is not necessarily true, and hasn't been for a while. Stores, at least the efficient ones, go for customer experience, and group products according to how they get currently purchased. Publix stores are well organized with items in standardized aisle numbers. Even Walmart which, until recently, featured some really crappy stores where shit was simply piled up, they are getting their shit together into efficient displays.

      Many stores made customers take the least efficient way to products not by design, but by incompetence. That shit doesn't fly anymore.

      Just think about what you are saying for a moment, that stores want people to take the least efficient way to a product. Well, which product out of the many, if not thousands of products carried to the store? How does a store go about maximizing inefficiency (other than by being disorganized on purpose)?

      Stores groups products according to their natures - food, medicine, stationary, etc. And they go into aisles for one or more categories of product. If things are categorized consistently (which they do), and staff shelves or reshelves regularly, every product will, on average, have the same location efficient with respect to a random buyer.

      You can't optimize for inefficiency unless your store is being run by incompetent people... on purpose.

    15. Re:Opposite by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      helps customers find items on their lists

      So the robot actually does the opposite of what stores want. Stores themselves like to make the customer take the least efficient way, because that brings the customer in contact with the most products. For the customers themselves, however, this might be useful.

      Who said it will take you on the most efficient route? In produce and need milk? Takes you there via hardware, electronics, and socks isles. All while holding your items hostage so you have to follow it.

      Assuming that will be the case, that the robot takes a customer into a trip, it is still better than just not knowing where shit is. Even if it were to take me to the front and the to the back and then to the front, if the robot can tell me how and where to go to get A, B, C, and D, that is an improvement, a significant improvement.

      Changes are the robot will simply provide a map of the store showing where to find the things you desire, leaving you to chose the route.

    16. Re:Opposite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >can be in and out in 10 minutes.

      Considering the quantity of manned registers in the majority of stores I've ever been in, you are blessed if you can be out in ten minutes.
      Now to go find something & get in line within ten? Sure. But be out? Never. And I've visited WM in 30 states, always understaffed registers or overly long lines. Either way... never out as fast as I want to be. You are blessed I say :D

  5. I need the Exercise thank you by Danathar · · Score: 2

    Come on! I NEED to move around more, not LESS! It's hard enough sitting at computer desk all day in a cubicle. That 40lb box of cat litter provides me with free weight training. Plus Walmart stores are so BIG I can get my steps in.

    1. Re:I need the Exercise thank you by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You might think that way, but not that 400lbs assburger waddling down the aisles of WalMart that is the usual customer.

      Have you never wondered just why those shelves are so far apart that you could easily fit three normal people in between?

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    2. Re:I need the Exercise thank you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because of inconsiderate shoppers who leave their cart in the middle of the aisle as they try to decide what flavor pringles they want?

      You know the ones. they give you dirty looks when they see you waiting for them to move. You used to get "Oh, i'm sorry excuse me," now its just a dirty look or them acting completely oblivious to you.

    3. Re:I need the Exercise thank you by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Have you never wondered just why those shelves are so far apart that you could easily fit three normal people in between?

      It's so that carts being pushed in opposite directions can pass. You knew that, of course, but didn't say so because it ruins your joke.

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    4. Re:I need the Exercise thank you by chihowa · · Score: 1

      It's so that carts being pushed in opposite directions can pass.

      Too bad it never seems to work that way in real life. I don't know about Walmart, but in every grocery I've been to the oblivious person in front of you just suddenly halts in the middle of the aisle and abandons their cart there, blocking all traffic in either direction.

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    5. Re:I need the Exercise thank you by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      Or the imbeciles that hold onto the side of the cart as they are walking down the aisle instead of pushing it. It should be legal to fling a can of beans at their heads.

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    6. Re:I need the Exercise thank you by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's different because I live in the South, where you say "excuse me" and they scoot their cart over (or you scoot it over yourself if they don't).

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    7. Re:I need the Exercise thank you by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That cart gets simply a kick and before the mountain of lard starts rolling I'm already at the checkout.

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    8. Re:I need the Exercise thank you by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It isn't?

      Now I know what that stupid lawsuit was about.

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    9. Re:I need the Exercise thank you by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's different 'cause I am in Europe, but people simply don't put their friggin' cart into the middle of the aisle. I know, consideration, what an outdated, odd concept.

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  6. Still missing what I want. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

    So now I have to load all of this into my car, drive it home and unload it? Grocery shopping should be as difficult as registering for wedding registries. Give me a barcode scanner and let me walk through the store. When I check out let me schedule a delivery time.

  7. Low robot prices every day by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

    It will be destroyed by the mob at Christmas who are trying to buy it

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  8. Out of shape by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Conclusion: Americans are getting so fat and out of shape that they can't push a shopping cart around anymore.

    Soon you'll replace shopping carts with golf carts, so they won't even have to carry yourself around.

    1. Re:Out of shape by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Considering the weight of the average American, I think it's fair to say that as long as they can carry themselves around, they're on par with the average heavyweight lifting champion.

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  9. Just what Walmart shoppers need..... by clifwlkr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because Walmart shoppers already get so much exercise and are in such great shape that any form of exercise is not needed. I am saddened by the fact that we are now to the point where we consider pushing a shopping cart around the store to be too much work.

    How about scrapping the electric drive but keeping the locator aspect. That would seem to cut the costs dramatically while giving the greatest benefit. I really think most of the people I see in Walmart could use to push the cart themselves

    1. Re:Just what Walmart shoppers need..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I'd just be happy if they just experimented with carts all four of whose wheels actually touched the ground instead of wobbling and spinning.

    2. Re:Just what Walmart shoppers need..... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      Y'know, I was just in one last night, and most of the people there were normal. I especially noted two middle-aged women in nice sundresses who wore them well.

      But back in the toy section, there were two young women, each over 300 lbs, riding the electric scooters, with nothing in their baskets, pulling noisy toys off the shelves and setting off as many sounds as possible (especially fart machines). They were clearly there for sport, not shopping, and while they weren't hurting me, they sure did seem to be hurting society with their life choices. I made all kinds of assumptions about where they get their money and what they do with it - my guesses could be wrong, but I doubt it.

      Walmart doesn't create these people, but it sure does put them on display for the rest of us. Maybe we're better off seeing them than not seeing them.

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    3. Re:Just what Walmart shoppers need..... by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      Because Walmart shoppers already get so much exercise and are in such great shape that any form of exercise is not needed. I am saddened by the fact that we are now to the point where we consider pushing a shopping cart around the store to be too much work.

      That was my thought too, although I certainly do understand that some people might have a very legitimate need for such help. Like you, I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for people who's only disability is that they can't say "No" to a second or third piece of pie. Maybe Walmart should instead look into home delivery for the people for whom even walking from their front door to their car is just way too much effort.

    4. Re:Just what Walmart shoppers need..... by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      That sounds like science-fiction.

    5. Re:Just what Walmart shoppers need..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Walmart shoppers already get so much exercise and are in such great shape that any form of exercise is not needed. I am saddened by the fact that we are now to the point where we consider pushing a shopping cart around the store to be too much work.

      That was my thought too, although I certainly do understand that some people might have a very legitimate need for such help. Like you, I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for people who's only disability is that they can't say "No" to a second or third piece of pie. Maybe Walmart should instead look into home delivery for the people for whom even walking from their front door to their car is just way too much effort.

      I feel the same way when I see neighbors using riding mowers on lots no bigger than mine. I can give someone a pass if they have an actual health issue that makes it too difficult for them to use a push mower on a 1/2 acre lot but when the 70+ year old man next door to me can do it with a push mower in less time that I can then everyone who's riding just looks lazy in comparison.

    6. Re:Just what Walmart shoppers need..... by RicktheBrick · · Score: 1

      I think that pushing a cart around makes it easier for me to shop. In fact I will always push a cart from the parking lot to the store. The hard part is getting the cat food and kitty liter from the shelf into the cart and than from the cart to the scanner and than back to the cart. I than must get the items from the cart into my car and finally from the car into my house. The new cart will not help with any of these chores but will take away the little support I get from pushing the cart. So even though I am old and retired, I say to Walmart no thanks to the new shopping cart.

    7. Re:Just what Walmart shoppers need..... by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 1

      I got the impression that these are, initially, intended for disabled shoppers rather than all customers due to the $1400 unit cost.

    8. Re:Just what Walmart shoppers need..... by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      When I moved back to the burbs from the country, I was one of those guys with a riding lawnmower - had an acre and a half to cut before, and a normal lot now. I wasn't going to rush out and buy a new mower just because I had less lawn to do.

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      Slow Down Cowboy!

      Slashdot requires you to wait between each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment.

      It's been 4 minutes since you last successfully posted a comment

      Seriously?

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    9. Re:Just what Walmart shoppers need..... by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      Because Walmart shoppers already get so much exercise and are in such great shape that any form of exercise is not needed. I am saddened by the fact that we are now to the point where we consider pushing a shopping cart around the store to be too much work. How about scrapping the electric drive but keeping the locator aspect. That would seem to cut the costs dramatically while giving the greatest benefit. I really think most of the people I see in Walmart could use to push the cart themselves

      OK, you are overthinking this shit. I'm going to give you an example from real life. I have two little kids, whom they want to be in the cart one time and out the next. With that and all other things related to kids, shopping is a chore. What you could do in 30 minutes becomes a 90 minutes ordeal. It is more difficult for my wife who is a lot smaller than I am (and we are both in good shape.)

      Mind you that we almost never shop at Walmart (we shop at Costco, Target, Publix or Whole Foods.)

      A shopping cart that can map where things are (say, with a built-in scanner that you can scan coupons with, for example), that helps tremendously. Even more so if it can gently move itself, controlled by you, of course.

      Yes, some people are overweight and need the exercise (actually, most people are.) But people that don't have the time or the inclination to exercise won't necessarily experience an improvement by NOT reducing the physical factor involved in shopping.

      Expecting otherwise is the equivalent of local micro-optimization. It make you feel you accomplished shit while accomplishing nothing. Stress reduction and reduction of time for shopping, on the other hand, that can have significant more health and life benefits than whatever you think people get by pushing a shopping cart.

    10. Re:Just what Walmart shoppers need..... by clifwlkr · · Score: 1

      I honestly can't see how you can't manage children while pushing a cart. People have been doing it for years. The cart moving around by itself is not a huge advantage here. If the kids are small enough, they are in the cart. If old enough, they are helping and learning and it is an experience. And yes, sometimes it might be a challenge, but that is what parenting is about. I already mentioned the mapping part was fine and useful.

      I would prefer the cost of my goods does not go up because of all the lazy people who can't push a shopping cart around the store by hand. Those things are not free, and you will pay for them. Of course those of us who choose to take on the burden of actually pushing a shopping cart will take on more of that burden.

      I lump this into the same area as all of the extra safety junk they force onto us on cars that 'protects us' and increases the cost of the car. Then it breaks constantly. Kind of like the new feature in GM cars to remind you that you have a child and should check the back seat before you leave to see if they are there. Seriously? I have to pay for that now too even though I am smart enough to not forget my child in a back seat?

      Idiocracy is upon us.....

    11. Re:Just what Walmart shoppers need..... by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      You're missing the potential advantages. Once you have a robotic shopping which requires electricity to function it's a relatively minor step to properly train the shopper into good habits. Just add some image recognition software to pick on the weight of the shopper and add things like audible taunts and electric shocks such as "**shock** put the Cheetos back, fatty." For repeat offenders trick them into signing something digitally, copy the signature onto a form requesting liposuction and make sure the shock is strong enough to stop their heart then call an ambulance for them while faxing in a copy of the liposuction form. The possibilities are endless.

    12. Re:Just what Walmart shoppers need..... by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      I honestly can't see how you can't manage children while pushing a cart.

      Reading comprehension. That is not what I said. I said that it is a chore, and sometimes an unpleasant one. Yes, people have been doing it for years, but ask any of them if they would prefer an easier way to do things. Yes, idiocracy is upon us, and it started when people forgot how to read.

  10. "Cannot compute path, aborting." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Navigating the store is already a challenge due to self-absorbed customers choking aisles at any narrowing or intersection (observe sometime, shoppers routinely stop to make decisions or have conversations at the worst possible traffic chokepoints). No way is a robot cart programmed to follow without collisions going to navigate that mess on its own.

  11. phhhtttt! there go more jerbs! by Thud457 · · Score: 2

    on the up side, the robot carts can be programmed to auto-return from the parking lot when empty, so all the carts aren't left spread all over the parking lot.

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    1. Re:phhhtttt! there go more jerbs! by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Personally I like the Aldi/European model. Never seemed to have that problem.

    2. Re:phhhtttt! there go more jerbs! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Don't you have to return it to the "stable" to get your coin back?

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  12. Walmart innovates in other ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These new buggies are controlled using the customer's back boobs.

  13. Occulus Rift's first useful application by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why is it that shopping with a shopping cart and real shelves is so much easier and more pleasant than scrolling through most stores list of products on line. I've shopped food stores online, hardware stores online, which have real world analogs for direct comparison. All of these are okay if you know exactly what you are looking for and they have a tolerable search engine. But it terms of going down the isles and selecting new things or being reminded of old things and getting ideas for new creations stores are efficient I think.

    I suppose you could let someone walk through a virtual store like a first person shooter. But Somehow that doesn't appeal to me.

    I think however an oculous might be able to recreate a true 3D store experience.

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    1. Re:Occulus Rift's first useful application by ThosLives · · Score: 1

      It's very difficult to evaluate fit & finish and other qualitative aspects of a product when shopping online. (E.g., is the text on the box in grammatically correct language, or some botched translation?) You can't evaluate fit and feel and color of clothing online.

      There are many interesting articles about how online retail actually suffers huge returns costs because of those things.

      VR isn't going to help with those aspects either, because a virtual good isn't going to be the same as a real physical good.

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    2. Re:Occulus Rift's first useful application by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Why is it that shopping with a shopping cart and real shelves is so much easier and more pleasant than scrolling through most stores list of products on line

      It isn't easier, or more pleasant. You're talking about a preference you have as an old person.

    3. Re:Occulus Rift's first useful application by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      In most cases, people would be better off not "browsing" either lists on websites or physical aisles in stores in the first place. Instead, they should decide what they need to buy before hand and get only the things on that list -- they'd save a lot of money that way.

      From that perspective, this motorized shopping cart is a solution looking for a problem. A better idea would just be to close the aisles to people and have the carts be robotic pickers that deliver everything to the customer waiting at checkout. Of course, Wal-Mart would never design it that way because impulse buys are a substantial source of its profit.

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    4. Re:Occulus Rift's first useful application by funwithBSD · · Score: 2

      "I suppose you could let someone walk through a virtual store like a first person shooter. "

      It better include the 2AM Walmart Zombies...

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    5. Re:Occulus Rift's first useful application by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, yes. And you could program them to "accidentally" pass by the promo displays.

      Of course, automated shoppers is just part 1. Expect part 2 to be automated stockers. Followed by container bays so that all the automated Wall-Mart trucks have to do is back up the their assigned aisle in the store dock.

      In the end, all that will be left are the greeters and the security guards.

    6. Re:Occulus Rift's first useful application by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't that be "Employed old person" a term that might not apply when you get old since stores with goods provide employment.

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    7. Re:Occulus Rift's first useful application by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a bit of an oversimplification. You decide the requirements for what you need beforehand and go to a store to evaluate the options for meeting those requirements. If you have a requirement for "2L bottle of cola that doesn't taste like ass," the 88 cent bottle of Pepsi wins out over the $1.99 bottle of Coke. If you limit yourself to a 2L bottle of Coke, you end up wasting a lot of money. In order to know what options are out there and how specific your requirements need to be, it takes a mix of experience and research. That research often comes in the form of browsing online or in store aisles.

      Either way, robotic carts will only clog up aisles that are already made as narrow as possible to pack as much random crap as possible into the customer's field of view. Better to have a robotic claw that can be called to drop from the ceiling and carry selected objects (and the occasional screaming child) to the checkouts. You don't even need to program its operation, just make it controlled via a game interface and use idle human cycles to run everything (as seen in Psycho Pass 2). And, in true claw game tradition, the less profitable items will have a nasty habit of slipping out of the claw.

    8. Re:Occulus Rift's first useful application by TigerPlish · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I dunno, man... I do most of my shopping online because I truly dislike the decline of retail. The sole exception is high-end goods in small stores.

      So. On to the online bit: By carefully using the image zoom (if available), reading between the lines of the reviews (a lot of which are shills, some real, and some just rants), and cross-referencing with Google search results, one can make a reasonable guess at how good that product is.

      It is very rare for me to get a sub-par, unexpectedly crappy product online. I usually either get exactly what I expected, or in some cases be blown away by how much better than expected it is.

      The one thing I've ran into problems with is shoes: I've had more defects and more "damn it's too small" moments with shoes than with anything else.

      Retail is dead. I savor every single stake I drive into it's bleeding heart. Wal-Mart destroyed the small retailer, then let's help Amazon take down Wal-mart.

      We'll figure out how to take down Amazon and bring back the Main Street experience later on. This also needs to be done, Amazon is just as abusive as Wal-Mart, the difference is Amazon customers don't put up with the staff and customers.

      What, no one remembers that? Life before the Big Boxes? What a shame. It was a nice experience. You had the guy that sold records, the girl who sold books, the old couple who ran the tailor's and dry-clean, the awesome electronics store where the tech in the back had a cigarette *and* a hot soldering iron on a glass ashtray..

      We'll never get that back. And that makes my heart ache a bit.

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    9. Re:Occulus Rift's first useful application by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >What, no one remembers that? Life before the Big Boxes?

      I sure do. It was a horrible experience. Lack of selection and lack of stock would have you visiting store after store, or ordering things and waiting weeks for their arrival. I remember getting into electronic music in the 90s and the effort it took to find any of it at all in a record store, especially stores that weren't HMV, was horrible. I remember having to substitute a pile of 7408s and a 7404 because the store didn't carry 7430s, all from the way overpriced NTE substitution catalog. Online has done away with that bullshit, thank God. Heck, my local big box electronics store (such a thing exists where I am, yay!) actually did away with it first.

      You got to know the guy running the store because you had to spend so much time there. You didn't ever dislike the guy running the shop because it's the best you had.

      >Retail is dead. I savor every single stake I drive into it's bleeding heart. Wal-Mart destroyed the small retailer, then let's help Amazon take down Wal-mart.

      The fox eats the snake that eats the cat that eats the rat. And so on... It's not a defeatist attitude, it's just simply stating that you're not getting anywhere with this philosophy so try something else on for size.

    10. Re:Occulus Rift's first useful application by TigerPlish · · Score: 1

      I sure do. It was a horrible experience. Lack of selection and lack of stock would have you visiting store after store

      The fox eats the snake that eats the cat that eats the rat. And so on... It's not a defeatist attitude, it's just simply stating that you're not getting anywhere with this philosophy so try something else on for size.

      Isn't that what I said? The psat 40 years haven't worked out all that well. (online eating big box who ate malls who ate little shop). This isn't working. If online completely triumphs and big boxes fail en masse, what will that do to the economy? Boom, headshot, and everyone loses. Maybe the old, slow, inconvenient way was best for the economy but bad for the insatiable need for instant gratification.

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    11. Re:Occulus Rift's first useful application by TigerPlish · · Score: 1

      *sigh* this came out all wrong, I shouldn't multitask.

      I sure do. It was a horrible experience. Lack of selection and lack of stock would have you visiting store after store

      This created competition between stores, on a small, local scale. I remember this kind of competition, and while it meant you had to walk (do exercise) around town a bit, it also meant you met more people, knew more shopkeepers, and overall interacted more in person, not in front of this glowing screen.

      The fox eats the snake that eats the cat that eats the rat. And so on... It's not a defeatist attitude, it's just simply stating that you're not getting anywhere with this philosophy so try something else on for size.

      Isn't that what I said? The past 40 years haven't worked out all that well. (online eating big box who ate malls who ate little shop). This isn't working. If online completely triumphs and big boxes fail en masse, what will that do to the economy? Boom, headshot, and everyone loses. Maybe the old, slow, inconvenient way was best for the economy but bad for the insatiable need for instant gratification.

      And FWIW, I saw a mall -- my favorite mall ever, actually -- decimate a shopping town called Santurce in Puerto Rico. Killed it dead. Back then it seemed cool, all these neat shops and two big glorious cinemas in this great big beautiful mall. But then I'd ride my bike into Santurce and see the destruction. Now that I'm older, I wish.. I wonder.. if a happy medium could've been found.

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  14. robotic carts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so now, instead of dumb carts left all over the parking lot, we'll have carts being left that will run into cars and infants in baby buggies in their attempt to go back to the store..... and the customers will not have to put them into the cart stalls... more room to park... less need to think...
    and someone will find a way to override the controls to have races in the parking lot....

  15. And who is "Heisengberg"?!?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Scroll down to the bottom of the page on Slashdot.

    I do that, and it says "Heisengberg might have been here."

    Ooooo-kay.

    1. Re:And who is "Heisengberg"?!?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's a friend of Eingstein and Newgton, don't you know anything?

    2. Re:And who is "Heisengberg"?!?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is he related to Ginsengberg?

    3. Re:And who is "Heisengberg"?!?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's a friend of Eingstein and Newgton, don't you know anything?

      Maybe he is, and maybe he isn't...

  16. Dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Orrrr Walmart could hire/pay helpful employees...like Publix....

    1. Re:Dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if it's still that way but back in high school I worked at a local "Walmart Like" chain called Meijer. Their turnover rate was extremely high, I think over half of employees quit/were fired within the first couple months. It wasn't like they asked a whole lot from you or paid badly either (at least for part time work). A majority of those who applied seemed to only want a paycheck, not to do any form of work for that paycheck. It was pretty common for employees collecting carts to vanish into the parking lot or a store room for about half of their shifts, those sent to help someone load their groceries would finish up with them in 5-10 minutes and then spend a half hour chatting to another loitering employee. I assume that was a good part of the reasoning behind a lot of the automation (self service checkout, cashiers bagging items, etc) parts of many such chains.

  17. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " a shopping cart that helps customers find items on their lists "

    So it takes you to Target?

  18. Fix the existing carts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'd be happy to find a shopping cart at Walmart where all the wheels actually turn and don't make horrible screeching noises.

  19. Some preliminary renders have leaked by idontgno · · Score: 1

    Here is what the shopping robots will look like.

    And here's a render of a typical Wal-Mart with the shop-bots in use.

    And a close up of happy shoppers.

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  20. A Budgee? Seriously???? by dbc · · Score: 1

    Ha, ha... ho, ho... ho, *snort*

    I've see the Budgee in action. Or more precisely, in inaction. Or random action. It is poorly designed, cheaply made, and the software is unreliable. Also, the industrial design aesthetic of two asymmetric "eyes" recalls "Bill-the-Cat" from the old Bloom County cartoon.

    Budgees shopping in Walmart == flying pigs.

  21. Before you know it.. by nult · · Score: 1

    The wal-marters will be riding in the robo-carts when no shopping chariots are available . #FirstWorldProblems

  22. a merkins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    too fat and too fuckin lazy to live!

  23. As one of those who put stuff on shelves by Draeven · · Score: 1

    all I can say is, Hahahaha, Good luck with that.

    The only way this robot can lead a customer to an item is if that item is in it's correct place. Considering how these stores are actually run, it's becoming more and more often that the items simply aren't in their system recorded location. Either because the stockers are told to push everything out to keep the back rooms clean and empty, or because the people who set the locations are told to "approve" all location settings before the items are ever actually moved to those locations.

    1. Re:As one of those who put stuff on shelves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if the robots could read RFID tags as the moved around the store, remembering where each item is located? What if this data is shared among the carts?

  24. To use by CimmerianX · · Score: 1

    Please Sign into your shopping cart usage account. Click here to register of you do not have an account. Provide name, address, DOB, SSN#, and a credit card# for validation.... input a valid email for verification.

  25. The lazyness and health problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of the overweight, dozed off Americans, are quite bad, but this is taking it to a whole new level. Americans will now ride in their permobiles or electric scooter to Walmart, and then press a button so the cart drives by itself, because it's too much effort to push it while riding the permobil. America is right on track for the prophecy that was Wall-E.

  26. Oh, great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So now those of us that are skinny enough to walk next to the fat people sitting in electric carts can have our own electric carts! Yay, equality!

  27. Average Walmat client in 50 years: by Progman3K · · Score: 1

    500 pounds, reclining like Jabba the Hutt on a sofa while a robot shovels food into their maw

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    1. Re:Average Walmat client in 50 years: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      500 pounds, reclining like Jabba the Hutt on a sofa while a robot shovels food into their maw

      So you're stating that robots will learn to feed existing Wal-mart customers. Fascinating.

  28. Disability win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So yeah, the natural inclination is to say "Mericans fat! Lazy 'Mericans!", but if you've ever seen my wife trying to push our son in his wheelchair in front of her with one hand while simultaneously pulling a cart behind her with the other, you'd probably say, "Bet she should use a robotic cart."

  29. If that's what it takes by ugen · · Score: 1

    If that's what it takes to replace the rusty, creaking contraptions at my local Walmart, than so be it. They do seem to have enough trouble maintaining the basic non-robotic kind, though.

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  31. Lol.. funny.. VR for Geezers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look kids.. I'm shopping in Xbox!

  32. What is the motivation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to "Amazon" the regular store. The Amazon warehouse will be fully automated as soon as possible. Walmart is doing the same, but with retail.

    This will insure they are not playing catch up to amazon, means they'll be able to offer automated same day shipping to any address, and not need to hire local idiots that call in sick, and complain about wages, or try and organize unions.

  33. Just Like Self Checkout... by Thelasko · · Score: 1

    ...it will end up broken in a corner. Shoppers will be forced to go back to the old way of doing things because Walmart won't provide the resources necessary to keep such a sophisticated system functional.

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  34. How bout robot stocking carts instead by butchersong · · Score: 1

    They can't be too far away from automated stocking of shelves. It won't be too long until the only people that need to be present in the store are the customers...

  35. At the bus stop by kmahan · · Score: 1

    How many of these will be found at the bus stop blocks away from the store? Will they be able to return home on their own?

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  36. Shopping rage by McGregorMortis · · Score: 1

    This could cut down on shopping rage too. Personally, I get very frustrated at crowded stores whenever some asshat parks his cart in the middle of the aisle with no consideration for how it affects other people.

    It would be great if people could just move about freely without their carts, while the carts negotiate routes amongst themselves and generally keep out of each other's way.

  37. 4-wheel steering with actual round wheels by RubberDogBone · · Score: 1

    They would be better off adopting the four-wheel steering used in Ikea stores worldwide and everywhere in Europe and put actual fucking round wheels on the damn carts instead of what seem to be square stone wheels from a cave.

    Clunk clunk clunk clunk clunk BANG -if you get a cart with four DIFFERENT squared wheels, you can really get some funky beats going.

    And maybe the noise and racket from the cars bang-bang-banging their way through the store does kind of act like a sound beacon going beep-beep-beep on heavy equipment. So maybe it has some value.

    But a robotic shopping cart? No way. Forget it. They will just be like the electric sit-down MartCarts already are: broken down from supporting way too many >500LB people and left out in the rain.

    It's somewhat amusing how many people demand those MartCarts but when they go into a store and find out they either don't have any working carts or they've already all been taken out for use, then these people who demand such a cart still manage to go on and shop just fine without one. Some people just hate walking and would rather sit, that's all. They don't have an actual need for such a cart.

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  38. Elephant gun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Using an elephant gun to kill a mouse.

    All you really need is an app that combines your digital shopping list with location of items in the store with inventory and price info. No robot needed.

  39. why don't they do something useful?? by laurencetux · · Score: 1

    like pay some cheap labor to put proper meta-tags on the item pages and then FIX Their website search engine

    it is currently impossible to reliably search on %item% By [price Low to High] with %available at #store#% and expect to see what you are looking for (the engine dumps itself and your search "matches" half the store)

  40. Trailer Park Boys by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    Bubbles could do something pretty freakin' sweet with one of these mommas.

  41. yep, it's location. by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

    Perhaps it's the location that I go to. It's right next to a bus terminal and near a couple of major roads used by commuters. In other words, their customers are bound to be in a hurry. I'm also basing my assessment on where I see people in the store. For that location, milk is conveniently located and there is a lot of traffic in that part of the store. Motor oil is not conveniently located, but it doesn't seem to be an area that people frequent much either.

    It's the location. Here in South Florida, Walmart seems to be on a warpath to make their stores clean, organized and streamlined. There is one just in front of my office, and it used to be a dark, unorganized and crappy store sporting some very unhappy (and at times dimwitted employers). One I would avoid like the plague.

    The store (and others in the area) have been revamped. Stuff looks clean. Stuff is kept neat and organized, no longer in mounds at the base of aisles. Even the employees are very helpful. These stores are getting up to the level of organization one would expect at a well-run Target store...

    ... at least here in most of Broward County, Florida. It could be completely different in other locations.

  42. My kids thinks this should have already happened. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My 10 year old was asking why self-driving shopping carts did not already exist(while he was pushing our heavy grocery cart) just the other day.

  43. Damn liberals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This wouldn't be happening if not for the raising minimum wage and Obamacare premiums for the manual shopping carts.

  44. I can't get the picture out of my head... by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    ...of a shopping card being pushed down the aisle by a grotesquely wide robot sporting a leopard skin paint job.

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  45. True fun by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    The inventor of the robot cart has lost its child's mind a long time ago. Don't you remember how fun it was to push a cart?