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Hacker Who Stole Half-Life 2's Source Code Interviewed For New Book (arstechnica.com)

"Can you love a game so much you must take its sequel?" asks Ars Technica, posting an excerpt from the new book "Death By Video Game: Danger, Pleasure, and Obsession on the Virtual Frontline." At 6am on May 7, 2004, Axel Gembe awoke in the small German town of Schonau im Schwarzwald to find his bed surrounded by police officers bearing automatic weapons... "You are being charged with hacking into Valve Corporation's network, stealing the video game Half-Life 2, leaking it onto the Internet, and causing damages in excess of $250 million... Get dressed..." The corridors were lined by police, squeezed into his father's house...
Gembe had tried creating homegrown keystroke-recorders specifically targeted at Valve, according to the book, but then poking around their servers he'd discovered one which wasn't firewalled from the internal network. Gembe spent several weeks discovering notes and design documents, until eventually he stumbled onto the latest version of the unreleased game's source code. He'd never meant for the code to be leaked onto the internet -- but he did share it with another person who did. ("I didn't think it through. The person I shared the source with assured me he would keep it to himself. He didn't...")

Eventually Gembe contacted Valve, apologized, and asked them for a job -- which led to a fake 40-minute job interview designed to gather enough evidence to arrest him. But ultimately a judge sentenced him to two years probation -- and Half-Life 2 went on to sell 8.6 million copies.

192 comments

  1. it wuz haxx0rz! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So let's venerate them! Because we're smrt like that!

    1. Re:it wuz haxx0rz! by davester666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      He forgot to repeat "I didn't think it through" when he called Valve, told them he hacked into their server, copying the source code to their product, resulting in the source code for their main product being released publicly, and then asked for a job.

      Is there any company where that situation would happen and it ends with "you're hired!"

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    2. Re: it wuz haxx0rz! by mSparks43 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The nsa, on multiple occasions.

    3. Re: it wuz haxx0rz! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So the NSA is stupid? I doubt this.

      One of the key elements when it comes to hiring someone for a job in security is trust. Give me ONE good reason to trust someone who has already shown he has no problem betraying me.

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    4. Re: it wuz haxx0rz! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      i always thought the main interest point was that valve lied about scripted ai.

    5. Re: it wuz haxx0rz! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

      It is much easier to watch someone once you bring them inside. And you have the advantage of knowing that they can not be trusted, so you do not need to worry about whether or not you can trust them.

      Besides, if one is serious about security, they need to be building system that do not rely on trust but rather on verification.

    6. Re:it wuz haxx0rz! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He forgot to repeat "I didn't think it through" when he called Valve, told them he hacked into their server, copying the source code to their product, resulting in the source code for their main product being released publicly, and then asked for a job.

      Is there any company where that situation would happen and it ends with "you're hired!"

      Except, he didn't copy their source code, RTFA.

      He told someone else about his hack, and they stole the code.

    7. Re: it wuz haxx0rz! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You never saw "Catch me if you can"? That wasn't about hacking, and it was the govt instead of a private company, but it happens. It's usually the govt that does it, mainly as indentured servitude.

    8. Re:it wuz haxx0rz! by NotDrWho · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He forgot to repeat "I didn't think it through" when he called Valve, told them he hacked into their server, copying the source code to their product, resulting in the source code for their main product being released publicly, and then asked for a job.

      Is there any company where that situation would happen and it ends with "you're hired!"

      Never underestimate the naivete and gullibility of a young person with a dream. Even as we speak, there are tens of thousands of kids across the country taking out huge student loans to get degrees that will barely qualify them for barista jobs at Starbucks--all because someone told them to "pursue your dreams" without adding the vital addendum "But have a realistic backup plan."

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    9. Re:it wuz haxx0rz! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This story really underscores how clueless a lot of hackers are. I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that most of them are this naive and clueless. Unfortunately, there's a lot of damage that a technically gifted but naive person can do. And it gets even worse when they are cynically manipulated by people are are not at all naive.

    10. Re: it wuz haxx0rz! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did Gembe betray Valve? They had no relationship.

    11. Re: it wuz haxx0rz! by dbIII · · Score: 2

      So the NSA is stupid? I doubt this.

      Read up on the Star Trek set thing. That story alone confirms it several times.

      High ranking jobs at the NSA are a sinecure used as a reward for people that have never worked for a similar group before.

      The "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job" thing applies far more at the NSA than it did at FEMA.

    12. Re: it wuz haxx0rz! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It's cheaper to have him behind bars than having him on the payroll.

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    13. Re: it wuz haxx0rz! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Unless the NSA is any different than other corporations (and why should it be?), the work is not done at the level where friends of friends are flattening their rump. It's quite possible or even likely that the people who are actually working there got their job the good old fashioned way, i.e. by knowing something and being able to do something.

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    14. Re: it wuz haxx0rz! by dbIII · · Score: 2

      You can't have years of useless leaders with sustaining some sort of damage. If you want to compare it to corporations then Enron style damage, but there is less of a reality check here since corporations usually have to pay some attention to balance sheets so epic fuckups can cost the useless near the top of a corporation their jobs.
      If you look up the Snowden stuff (which would never have happened if the NSA has their shit together instead of employing dodgy subcontractors) you can see for yourself that the place is full of toy soldiers instead of the competency your wishful thinking suggests. There has been a lot of other stuff in the press too.

      Those losers actually think polygraphs work like Wonder Woman's lariat of truth FFS! With such a major mistake do you really think all the stuff that has come out about systemic incompetence was made up?

      If you still don't believe me then remember what happened to NASA after years of it's management being full of people rewarded for their political connections instead of promoted due to ability.

    15. Re:it wuz haxx0rz! by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 1

      He forgot to repeat "I didn't think it through" when he called Valve, told them he hacked into their server, copying the source code to their product, resulting in the source code for their main product being released publicly, and then asked for a job.

      Is there any company where that situation would happen and it ends with "you're hired!"

      Never underestimate the naivete and gullibility of a young person with a dream. Even as we speak, there are tens of thousands of kids across the country taking out huge student loans to get degrees that will barely qualify them for barista jobs at Starbucks--all because someone told them to "pursue your dreams" without adding the vital addendum "But have a realistic backup plan."

      Plus, there are a number of tales of "former hackers" hired for security work. The part of the story that usually gets left out of discussions of this phenomena is the amount of jail time or legal charges the person had to sort out before they got that job. Very few of them jumped from "I totally committed a felony you were the victim of" to "I'd like $150k and a car allowance."

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    16. Re: it wuz haxx0rz! by mSparks43 · · Score: 1

      You'd think.
      But yeah.
      They even have booths at Defcon these days. Although their first high profile hires were recent convicts. I forget the pseudonyms.

    17. Re: it wuz haxx0rz! by samriel · · Score: 1

      Until he gets out, and does it again. This time, with more knowledge of what not to do in order to stay undetected.

    18. Re: it wuz haxx0rz! by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Some people think author-fan constitutes a relationship and the y always tend this side with the fan.

    19. Re: it wuz haxx0rz! by tigersha · · Score: 1

      Considering that rabid fans are part of some emotional cult that is a good idea, sure

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    20. Re: it wuz haxx0rz! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off, retard.

      "The person I shared the source with ".

      That's source code, not source of where the code can be found.

    21. Re:it wuz haxx0rz! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uttering the phrase "I didn't think it through" almost never goes well in an interview. Interviewers do not typically see that as a strong character trait.

  2. Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Game? Gembe? EditorDavid being retard or battling autocorrect?

    1. Re:Game by mwvdlee · · Score: 1, Funny

      Retarded. You can't expect autocorrect to handle a name.

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    2. Re:Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The real retarded is the one who expects a job from who he stole from.

    3. Re:Game by mwvdlee · · Score: 0

      It's hard to point out a non-retarded person in this story from conception to publication.

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    4. Re:Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you actually read what's written above? He didn't steal anything - he copied data over the internet.

    5. Re:Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He stole the time and the option of Valve to release their code as they pleased.

    6. Re: Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No he didn't. He stole nothing. Not a thing. Nothing, no matter how you want to twist this, was stolen.

    7. Re: Game by Barny · · Score: 1

      Exfiltrated would be a better word. Illegally copying would be another few. Dangerously stupid yet more.

      But understand this. As far as the majority of people would understand this, he 'stole' data. That is to say, the common definition for the word 'steal' includes copying something on a computer you do not have the right to.

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    8. Re: Game by murdocj · · Score: 2

      Uh yes, there was a theft of a product. The fact that that product was virtual is irrelevant. The same as if you signed a contract to create some software, wrote the program, and then the company you wrote the program for refused to because you because "information wantz to be free!".

    9. Re: Game by Ihlosi · · Score: 0
      Uh yes, there was a theft of a product.

      The definition of theft usually requires the victim to be deprived of a possession, i.e. after the theft, the victim is no longer in possession.

      and then the company you wrote the program for refused to because you

      I assume there's a "pay you" missing. Anyway, that wouldn't be theft (you were never in possession of the money, so it cannot be stolen from you), but fraud. (And breach of contract, but that is a civil matter.)

    10. Re: Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is to say, the common definition for the word 'steal' includes copying something on a computer you do not have the right to.

      No, it does not. The common definition requires taking something away so that the original owner no longer has accessed to it.

      Certain interest groups have been running a campaign for years trying to convince people that copyright violation is "just like stealing", but have been successful in a different way than they planned - so successful that young people nowadays think that copying is "just like illegal", in the same way that playing Doom is "just like shooting up a school" and Gran Turismo is "just like having a drivers license".

      It can be pretty hard to convince people that copying is not "just like illegal", it's ACTUALLY illegal, when people like you keep mixing up stealing (it's not) and illegal copying.

    11. Re: Game by Barny · · Score: 1

      The common definition requires taking something away so that the original owner no longer has accessed to it.

      [citation needed]

      The common definition does not specify that at all. It is just 'taking something from the owner'.

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    12. Re: Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it doesn't. Very few people would consider copying a form of theft. You vastly overestimate the effectiveness of the media industry's brainwashing campaigns.

    13. Re: Game by Barny · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Media industry has nothing to do with it. Stealing is defined as 'taking something without permission', which is what this guy did. He took a copy of the code without permission. That is stealing.

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    14. Re:Game by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      He stole the time and the option of Valve to release their code as they pleased.

      Someone needs to fucking steal episode 3 then!

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    15. Re: Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No product was stolen. The guy may have violated several laws, but he did not remove any objects from their owner's possession - the essential condition for an act to be defined as theft. It wasn't theft anymore than it was arson, loitering or fishing without a permit.

    16. Re: Game by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      The common definition requires taking something away so that the original owner no longer has accessed to it.

      [citation needed]

      The common definition does not specify that at all. It is just 'taking something from the owner'.

      Yeah, and if I copy your whatever, I haven't taken it.

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    17. Re: Game by stealth_finger · · Score: 1
      When you're so stringently clinging to definitions of a single word you shouldn't be so flippant of your choices for the rest of the sentence.

      He took a copy of the code without permission. That is stealing.

      He made a copy of the code. Unless you're insinuating there were two folders and he cut/took one leaving them one folder?

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    18. Re: Game by tsqr · · Score: 1

      Very few people who think just like me would consider copying a form of theft.

      Fixed that for you. None of the common dictionary definitions for "steal" mention depriving the original owner of anything. The one that seems most appropriate in this context is, "to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment."

      The fact that someone is familiar with the accepted meaning of words does not mean they've been brainwashed by the media industry. That you subscribe to a non-standard definition suggests that you've been engaging in a practice commonly referred to as "drinking your own bathwater."

    19. Re: Game by tsqr · · Score: 2

      No product was stolen. The guy may have violated several laws, but he did not remove any objects from their owner's possession - the essential condition for an act to be defined as theft. It wasn't theft anymore than it was arson, loitering or fishing without a permit.

      It's fascinating to me that this mischaracterization of the meaning of "steal" has hung around for as long as it has. I suspect that most of the people who believe this have never bothered themselves to consult a dictionary.

    20. Re: Game by Barny · · Score: 1, Insightful

      How would he have exfiltrated the data? He would have made a copy, then took that copy (out of memory in this case). You are being pedantic as all heck about that, so I feel I have a right to be pedantic back.

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    21. Re: Game by Barny · · Score: 1

      Sure you did, you copied it and took the copy for yourself. You now have it in your possession. Tell me how that isn't taking?

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    22. Re: Game by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      The definition of theft usually requires the victim to be deprived of a possession, i.e. after the theft, the victim is no longer in possession.

      You are incorrect: identity theft.

    23. Re: Game by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      It's not taking because it's still where it was. It copying because as well as that one there's now this one. In fact if you think about it it's closer to bringing, the opposite of taking.

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    24. Re: Game by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      How would he 'exfiltrate' the data? It flies half way around though a series of tubes as teeny tiny little bits of electricity that get written down by his computer really fast as they come in (if we're really being pedantic). How is that taking?

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    25. Re: Game by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      *half way around the world

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    26. Re: Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct. It was a copyright violation. That is a civil matter. The crime was the penetration of their computer network.

    27. Re: Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A made up thing. It's not identity theft either it should be called identity borrowing. :P

    28. Re: Game by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      He took a copy of the code without permission. That is stealing.

      No. He made a copy of the code (that is, he copied it) without permission. That is copyright infringement. You could make a strong argument that it was theft if he had deleted the original after making a copy, putting aside the potential existence of backups which are not really relevant to the argument since to an attacker, they are imaginary.

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    29. Re: Game by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It's fascinating to me that this mischaracterization of the meaning of "steal" has hung around for as long as it has. I suspect that most of the people who believe this have never bothered themselves to consult a dictionary.

      No. They know the truth. They are simply willfully denying it in order to support some other belief that can't handle the notion that copyright infringement is not theft. Probably it has to do with justifying the amount of money they've spent on their My Little Pony DVD collection.

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    30. Re: Game by Travelsonic · · Score: 1

      It's fascinating to me that this mischaracterization of the meaning of "steal" has hung around for as long as it has.

      IS it a mischaractarization, really? I mean, look we're talking about something that in the physical world has a very specific meaning, AND a very specific set of psychological and physical effects that fail to be present when something is digitally copied . I doubt, for example, that you'd have the same sort of horror if someone copied your laptop, and walked away with it, than you would if they actually just outright stole it. I realize I am not the best at articulating my thoughts, so if I am unclear as to what I am tying to say, say so. :D

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    31. Re: Game by tsqr · · Score: 1

      It's fascinating to me that this mischaracterization of the meaning of "steal" has hung around for as long as it has.

      IS it a mischaractarization, really? I mean, look we're talking about something that in the physical world has a very specific meaning, AND a very specific set of psychological and physical effects that fail to be present when something is digitally copied .

      Psychological and physical effects have nothing at all to do with the definition of "steal". Now, if he were being sued for emotional distress, you might be on to something. It's really not that complicated. If you're in possession of something that doesn't belong to you as a result taking that something without the owner's permission, you have stolen it. And please note that the definition of "take" doesn't have anything to do with depriving the original owner of possession.

    32. Re: Game by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      There is no one common definition just a handful of pretty common ones that people throw around as they see fit.

    33. Re: Game by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      What does it say to equate conventions with standards. Dictionaries neither document nor set standards but merely conventions.

    34. Re: Game by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Both of you started out being pedantic.

    35. Re: Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Media industry has nothing to do with it.

      The media industry has everything to do with this. Just re-read what you just wrote, think about it for a while and then consider how crazy it is that someone actually believes that. It makes no sense at all, but does happen to coincide remarkably well with the interests of the media industry, which coincidentally happens to to have done quite a lot of campaigning and lobbying to promote their twisted world view as 'the truth', even though it is not supported by the dictionary definitions, the law or the way most people would interpret the word 'stealing'.

      Stealing is defined as 'taking something without permission', which is what this guy did. He took a copy of the code without permission. That is stealing.

      He did not. He made the copy himself. At no point did any possession change hands. No stealing, only copying, which in this particular case involved infringing copyright, a concept entirely different from theft.

    36. Re: Game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fixed that for you.

      You didn't. You only made it more specific. It is perfectly fine without the bold part.

      None of the common dictionary definitions for "steal" mention depriving the original owner of anything.

      Firstly, both Cambridge and Oxford specifically define the primary definition of the verb 'to steal' as an action in which an object is taken without intending to return it. Secondly, I was arguing that most people would consider the meaning of this word to roughly equal the dictionary definition (which happens to coincide with the legal definition in most if not all countries). Unless you can point me to a credible study that show the majority of people share your view, I think that is a fairly safe assumption. The redefintion you adhere to is a relatively recent invention by media industry lobbyists.

      The fact that someone is familiar with the accepted meaning of words does not mean they've been brainwashed by the media industry.

      Indeed. In fact, it suggests that someone has not been brainwashed. However, when someone denies the accepted meaning and tries to spread a redefinition invented by the media industry, it certainly does mean precisely that.

      That you subscribe to a non-standard definition suggests that you've been engaging in a practice commonly referred to as "drinking your own bathwater."

      Well, I hope you enjoyed your bathwater.

  3. Clothing. by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

    At least they were kind enough to let him get dressed first.

    1. Re:Clothing. by skovnymfe · · Score: 2

      Germany. Not USA.

    2. Re:Clothing. by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Germany. Not USA.

      Still, doesn't "Axel Gembe awoke in the small German town of Schonau im Schwarzwald to find his bed surrounded by police officers bearing automatic weapons... The corridors were lined by police, squeezed into his father's house..." seem excessive to arrest a guy who hacked a game company?

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    3. Re: Clothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, it was cold outside.

    4. Re:Clothing. by skovnymfe · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a SWAT team, which I'm guessing is standard procedure when breaking and entering. I don't know how the German police works.

    5. Re:Clothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If he wasn't aware he was going to be arrested, could they just approach him as he left his home?

    6. Re:Clothing. by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Very much so - see also DVD Jon and also the earlier events covered in Bruce Sterling's "The Hacker Crackdown" (free online since before this slashdot started) for other examples of insane paramilitary responses to suspected online crimes and how it's not getting any better. It's as if the agencies involved think they are in a comic book going after supervillians and are incapable of learning from experience.

    7. Re:Clothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Usually only when the suspect is known to own weapons or has a history of violent crimes. Maybe this was an exception because of this being a $ 250 Mio case and they wanted to make sure he couldn't shut down any encrypted PC. Usually "normal" police will just knock on the door and show the order to search the house.

    8. Re:Clothing. by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Why should they have to waste their time (and thus my money (--if it were in the US)) waiting for him to leave his home?

  4. lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The hacker's actions were a crime both in Germany and the United States. The crime is partly in the jurisdiction of the United States because it was against an American company. Normally it's pretty straightforward to extradite someone given the evidence. It was a courtesy for the FBI to notify German authorities of the plan and provide them with the evidence. I don't see any way the actions of the German authorities were justified to prevent the hacker from being charged and standing trial in the United States. This is a pretty straightforward application of how international cooperation between law enforcement agencies is supposed to work, yet Germany didn't let that happen.

    1. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe this is naive, but actually I'm glad to see some kind of state protection to one of its citizens.

    2. Re: lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well probably because when he commited the crime, he was in germany.

    3. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because he caused a corporation to hypothetically lose some money, the worst possible crime in the US, and the Germans didn't want to see someone get some wildly disproportionate 50 year sentence for that.

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    4. Re: lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how many American hackers have received such sentences? Please be specific if you're going to make such claims.

    5. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The crime is partly in the jurisdiction of the United States because it was against an American company.

      No. Just... no.

      It may perhaps be crossing US jurisdiction of the hacked server was on US soil, but other than that, the fact that a US company was the victim does not suddenly make this partly fall under US jurisdiction.

    6. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't see any way the actions of the German authorities were justified to prevent the hacker from being charged and standing trial in the United States.

      US courts have a tendency to hand down draconian sentences for even trivial infractions thanks to the 'come down on him like a ton of bricks' attitude to justice among politically ambitious US judges and prosecutors. This has resulted in an extreme reluctance in other countries to extradite people to the US in cases where there is any chance that the prisoner might receive 25 years to life just to further some US offiial's political ambitions for something he'd get a 5 year sentence for in Europe .

    7. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this douche is why we don't have half life 3 yet. thanks, germany

    8. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I don't see any way the actions of the German authorities were justified to prevent the hacker from being charged [...]

      The day the US allows US citizens (military: I'm looking at you!) being judged abroad I'll consider taking your babbling seriously.

      Not that I think it'd be always a good idea, mind you. But the unconscious bias seeping through all the cracks in your post is downright mind-numbing.

    9. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by bkmoore · · Score: 4, Informative

      .... I don't see any way the actions of the German authorities were justified to prevent the hacker from being charged and standing trial in the United States. This is a pretty straightforward application of how international cooperation between law enforcement agencies is supposed to work, yet Germany didn't let that happen.

      Germany generally won't extradite their own citizens to stand trial in a foreign country. This has some cultural significance because the DDR (East Germany) used to extradite citizens to the USSR for alleged political crimes.

    10. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by alexhs · · Score: 2

      US courts have a tendency to hand down draconian sentences for even trivial infractions thanks to the 'come down on him like a ton of bricks' attitude to justice among politically ambitious US judges and prosecutors.

      My understanding is that many judges in the USA are elected, so I wouldn't put the blame on the judges but on the electors. You just get what you (collectively) asked for, for better or worse.

      This has resulted in an extreme reluctance in other countries to extradite people to the US

      I'm not sure about that. However, some countries, and this includes Germany, forbid extradition of their own nationals.

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    11. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by houghi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Due to the fact that judges are elected, you get people that are in for revenge, not for justice.

      I see it as offical mob justice. "Hang em high" is what they voted for and that is what you get. That does not mean that it is in any way reasonable.

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    12. Re: lack of international cooperatiom by houghi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Almost none, as they accept the deal, reagardless if theyare guilty or not.

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    13. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that justifies a life in jail. Even if it were true.

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    14. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod up.
      But he probably SAVED then 800 million because after that they took security somewhat better.
      The same cannot be said for OPM who really dropped the ball.

    15. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Hang em high" is what they voted for and that is what you get. That does not mean that it is in any way reasonable.

      Most people clearly disagree.

    16. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 1

      US courts have a tendency to hand down draconian sentences for even trivial infractions thanks to the 'come down on him like a ton of bricks' attitude to justice among politically ambitious US judges and prosecutors.

      My understanding is that many judges in the USA are elected, so I wouldn't put the blame on the judges but on the electors. You just get what you (collectively) asked for, for better or worse.

      I have never understood how you can have an independent courts in a system where the judges and prosecutors are elected. Not that the old world practice of appointing judges and prosecutors is flawless with it's political appointee problem but at least those judges and prosecutors don't have to whore for campaign funding and votes every few years and they don't get tempted to send people to jail for ridiculously long periods of time to pander to public opinion and make themselves popular in an election year.

    17. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Elected judges!? That is beyond retarded. Why is the US legal system so backwards and why aren't there any initiatives to fix it?

    18. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 1

      Due to the fact that judges are elected, you get people that are in for revenge, not for justice.

      Mod him up! ...that's the problem in a nutshell. Judges and prosecutors should not deal out revenge in response to popular opinion and rage

    19. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      US courts have a tendency to hand down draconian sentences for even trivial infractions thanks to the 'come down on him like a ton of bricks' attitude to justice among politically ambitious US judges and prosecutors.

      My understanding is that many judges in the USA are elected, so I wouldn't put the blame on the judges but on the electors. You just get what you (collectively) asked for, for better or worse.

      This has resulted in an extreme reluctance in other countries to extradite people to the US

      I'm not sure about that. However, some countries, and this includes Germany, forbid extradition of their own nationals.

      Is there a more extreme manifestation of reluctance to extradite than passing a law forbidding the extradition of your own nationals? Having said that, the USA is not the prime motivator for that law, it's more likely to be countries like Russia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the likes where the judiciary is either religiously extreme, completely corrupt or both and jails qualify as a form of hell on earth. Finally, refusal to extradite does not mean the accused gets off scot-free. Any German national the German government would refuse to extradite, be it for hacking, fraud or murder wold still be tried and convicted under German law.

    20. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      1. He did everything in Germany, so everything falls under German jurisdiction.
      2. He seems to be a German citizen, so the German authorities cannot extradite him to a non-EU country. The Constitution prohibits it.

    21. Re: lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Federal judges are not elected. They are appointed. The process involves nomination by the President and approval by the Senate.

    22. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Shadow99_1 · · Score: 1

      Sadly being elected they usually have to take the 'tough on crime' stance... Which for their position means 'hammer anyone they can'. What the public actually tends to want is certain crimes punished harshly (which ones can vary a bit) and the rest they care little about. However the elected judges and others in that chain can't skimp on even one or their opponents will try to claim they aren't 'tough on crime'. So nothing goes over lightly if they can avoid it. So it's not entirely what the voters want, it's the political twist on what they want.

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    23. Re: lack of international cooperatiom by GrumpySteen · · Score: 2

      The USA held the record for the longest prison sentence for computer hacking for quite a while. Turkey recently stepped up, however, and showed us all what over-the-top really means.

    24. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by GrumpySteen · · Score: 2

      I don't see any way the actions of the German authorities were justified to prevent the hacker from being charged and standing trial in the United States.

      Really? Because it says right there in the article that they arrested Gembe because he'd written malware that used the same exploit as another hacker that they arrested on the same day and thought the two might be connected. Seems like a pretty obvious justification. Maybe you just didn't want to see it.

    25. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Angela Merkel still remembers which country hacked her phone.

    26. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      keep telling yourself that...

    27. Re: lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both examples are of hacking bank cards or bank accounts. So these sentences are not just for the hacking, but also for money theft.

    28. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      People in the military charged with a crime in Germany or any other country with a US military base are tried by the US Military court. This process is clearly defined in the treaties allowing the US military base in the country in the first place. If any country disagrees with this they can make the US military leave. But any country taking this action can expect any mutual defense agreements or military support to also be cancelled. The US military bases in Europe and Asia are not there to protect the US they are there to provide trip wires that will guarantee US military support if the host country is invaded. Can't really see any other country doing the same thing for the US and it is for that reason the US should remove their military bases and let the fun begin.

    29. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only the loudest assholes... and the ones who don't care because it's not happening to them or anyone they know.

      I don't give a shit if someone runs you over with their car, I only care if it would happen to me...

    30. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your understanding is wrong. At the federal level all judges are appointed. As for the state level, I can't speak for other states, but in my state they're all appointed as well. Though we do get to vote on if they're retained each year. But never in my 20 years of voting have I ever gotten to choose which person I want in a judge position.

      Now the position of Sheriff is elected, as is the AG for a given state and that's where the "tough on crime" stance is usually seen in elections. Which in my experience tends to mean they're really going to crack down on people speeding, but if it comes to things like tracking down people who break and enter or muggings or things like that, well, that might put the police into harms way, so they'll do nothing to crack down on that sort of thing.

    31. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Elected judges!? That is beyond retarded. Why is the US legal system so backwards and why aren't there any initiatives to fix it?

      It gets worse. Their current king, for instance, did not get there by divine will, but by popular vote.

    32. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Rei · · Score: 2

      From the article:

      The police interrogated Gembe for three hours. "Most of the questions they asked me were about the Sasser-Worm," he says, referring to a particularly vicious malware that affects computers running vulnerable versions of Windows XP and Windows 2000, created by an eighteen-year-old German computer science student Sven Jaschan from Rotenburg, Lower Saxony.

      "For some reason they thought there was a connection between me and Sasser, which I denied. Sasser was big news back then and its author, Sven Jaschan, was raided the same day as me in a coordinated operation, because they thought I could warn him."

      Gembe's bot exploited the same vulnerability as Jaschan's. "Of course I denied this and told them that I never write such shoddy code," he says.

      When the police realised there was no link between Gembe and the Sasser-Worm, they began to ask him about Valve.

      Sounds like they were most interested in an unrelated crime, but that the Valve case gave them the opportunity to arrest and interrogate him.

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      Monkeywrench Ex Machina.
    33. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      we don't get honest people up for election, but instead a selection of party members that "it's their time" so they are put up in front. Anyone thinking the United States has free elections is completely delusional.

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      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    34. Re: lack of international cooperatiom by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      Both examples are of hacking bank cards or bank accounts. So these sentences are not just for the hacking, but also for money theft.

      Details don't matter in slashdot when it comes to sacred cows. Some folks here would turn a blind eye to even pedophilia if that means changing the goalposts for their sacred arguments.

    35. Re: lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. And she still remembers which country call the shots. Germany still has some nice industry, it would be a shame if another VW scandal happened to it...

    36. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by jordanjay29 · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, just a half life.

    37. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think that's worse? The next king is basically guaranteed to be a crook! And people are going to willingly vote her/him into office.

    38. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by jordanjay29 · · Score: 1

      Which is exactly why Donald Trump, someone who has held no political office and leans left more than he leans right, is the presumptive Republican nominee, yes.

    39. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure those bases were established to stem the tide against the Soviet Union and Communist China. I mean, it sure plays into your conspiracy theory, but it's not true that they're intended to be insurrectionist at all.

    40. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by jordanjay29 · · Score: 1

      Yes, and after the NSA hacking was revealed, Merkel went back in time to a year before she became Chancellor and made sure that events would line up for your post to be true.

    41. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by dbIII · · Score: 1

      A casino owner leans left?
      I suppose some people will say such weird shit in a place where Charlie Chaplin, one of the richest capitalists of his time, was called a communist.

    42. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Why? When did he work for the KGB?

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    43. Re: lack of international cooperatiom by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      For that argument to stand that he simply hacked, one has to ignore that he also distributed the game.

    44. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by rahvin112 · · Score: 0

      Your understanding is wrong. Electing judges is a very uncommon practice. As this constituted a federal crime he would have went before a federal judge, who have lifetime untouchable positions once nominated to the bench.

    45. Re: lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^^^^^

      Why should they help the US? It's not in their best interest.

    46. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As this constituted a federal crime he would have went before a federal judge, who have lifetime untouchable positions once nominated to the bench.

      Of course, they mostly rise to federal attention by working their way through local and state offices - elected judges, prosecutors, or attorneys general. No one's (ok, not many are) saying that an elected judge would prostitute his own opinion for re-election. They're saying that the election process selects for judges whose interpretations lean more toward revenge than toward justice. The election process then determines who rises to the attention of federal appointment.

    47. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Valve being a shitty company is why we don't have half life 3.

      Have you seen steam lately? It's a gigantic piece of crap with multiple BIG security holes.

    48. Re:lack of international cooperatiom by Bookworm09 · · Score: 1

      People in the military charged with a crime in Germany or any other country with a US military base are tried by the US Military court. This process is clearly defined in the treaties allowing the US military base in the country in the first place. If any country disagrees with this they can make the US military leave. But any country taking this action can expect any mutual defense agreements or military support to also be cancelled. The US military bases in Europe and Asia are not there to protect the US they are there to provide trip wires that will guarantee US military support if the host country is invaded. Can't really see any other country doing the same thing for the US and it is for that reason the US should remove their military bases and let the fun begin.

      This is not accurate for a couple of reasons.

      First, the 'treaties' you are referring to are actually called SOFAs, or Status of Forces Agreements. And generally speaking, US military personnel who commit crimes against host nation citizens/institutions can expect to face the host nation's criminal justice system.

      Second, they are almost always *not* defined in the treaties establishing the bases; they are negotiated separately. However, failure to reach an agreement can lead to (or else accelerate) bases not being established, and/or troops being removed. This change in status for US military personnel in Iraq was one sticking point a few years back.

  5. Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can we talk about that? Someone guessed Gabe Newell's password, downloaded some files, leaked them to the internet, and the response to this was to send a small army of heavily armed stormtroopers with automatic weapons to take him into custody with an absurd display of force.

    That should be the real story here. We've gone past "corporate personhood" and into "corporate godhood", we're treating people whose only crime was potentially costing a fantastically wealthy corporation some pitiful percently of their quarterly profits the same way we treat active shooters and terrorists in the middle of an attack.

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    A bullet may have your name on it but splash damage is addressed "To whom it may concern."
    1. Re: Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, if you RTFA, you'll see that the German police who did that were interfering with attempts to bring Gembe to justice in the United States. I find it hard to make the case that they were in any way acting on behalf of Valve, who actually wanted him to be tried in the United States. I agree that the German police overreacted in the use of force but you really ought to retract the rest of your comment.

    2. Re:Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What makes you think that Corporation could not possibly be divine?

      It is nameless and immortal.
      It is not constrained by morals. Instead it is the source of morality.
      It is everywhere and all-powerful.
      It works in mysterious ways.

      In fact, whole papers have been written for this topic, and I'd say they're pretty convincing. Much more convincing than the New Fairytale.

    3. Re:Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by mentil · · Score: 1

      Every time a foreign country refuses to enforce draconian IP laws shoved down their throats via omnibus treaties, the MAFIAA gets another digit of the nuclear launch codes. You don't want to let their bean-counters decide that a smoking ruin where $0 of piracy takes place, is more profitable than allowing the victim the grace of their price-fixed goods.

      --
      Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
    4. Re: Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a fucking idiot. Creating custom malware to obtain logins to a company's servers doesn't have anything to do with IP laws.

    5. Re:Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by NotInHere · · Score: 2

      the MAFIAA gets another digit of the nuclear launch codes

      You mean 0?

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

    6. Re:Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Germany's police doesn't use anything bigger than MP5s and those happen to be standard issue for the SEK. If that part of the story even is true, because it sounds very fake.

    7. Re: Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did this just prove Godwins Law correct?

    8. Re:Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      In other words, it's a religion.

      Maybe it's time for another separation of church and state?

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    9. Re: Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually, if you RTFA, you'll see that the German police were doing their job and did not cooperate with attempts to submit him to a show trial in an overseas shithole he had never set foot in.

      FTFY.

    10. Re: Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Ihlosi · · Score: 1

      Any such 'cooperation' would have been highly (i.e. constitutionally) illegal, anyway.

    11. Re: Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, so how come Germany has extradited other hackers to the US?

      Link here

    12. Re:Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't want to let their bean-counters decide that ...

      That's why most countries have courts: So MAFIAA bean counters and bribed politicians don't make the decisions.

    13. Re:Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds more like the demon of Legion to me.
      The many that are one can never speak fairly to a single man.

    14. Re: Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
      Okay, so how come Germany has extradited other hackers to the US?

      What blocks extradition isn't being a hacker, it's having German citizenship. If someone doesn't have it, he's fair game for extradition.

    15. Re:Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah.. but then this is the same German police force that stormed down Crytek with shotguns because an employee reported they used pirated software.

    16. Re: Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What part of 'Syrian' don't you understand? It's in the very title...

    17. Re:Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > some pitiful percent

      I don't think the resilience of your victim lessens how wrong the act you committed was. Do you think that you should get less time in prison for hitting someone in the head with a baseball bat just because they have a really thick skull and can take the hit without getting brain damage?

    18. Re:Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      In other words, it's a psychopath.

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    19. Re: Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by jordanjay29 · · Score: 1

      You can't prove Godwin's Law by a single occurrence.

    20. Re:Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      Not to take away from that article, but calling 15 years "nearly 20 years" was unnecessarily confusing.

    21. Re:Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by dbIII · · Score: 1

      You forgot to add "at taxpayers expense" to the absurd and ridiculously costly paramilitary exercise. They are not using their own resources for their corporate godhood which makes it even worse.
      Given police budgets something had to be given up on elsewhere to fund this farce.

    22. Re:Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      In other words, it's a psychopath.

      Good, but sociopath is a bit more encompassing of the characteristics of a for-profit Corporation.

      They're the new gods, replacing Hollywood stars – the original replacements.
      They're more powerful than most governments.
      They write the first drafts of many, many of the bills that become law.
      Taxpaying citizens pay to maintain the infrastructure upon which they rely, but do not pay for.
      Obey.

      All of this is thanks to that stupid US Supreme Court Decision, so long ago, regarding railroad companies, but that made companies technically people under the law (only it's impossible to enforce the death penalty on one). That foothold in the US has allowed things to develop to the point where the world is today. (Gross over-simplification, but accurate enough for /.)

      Ah, but note that for-profit Corporations cannot continue to exist without governments. Really. Onto what other bodies can the 'quarterly profit-chasing' Corps. externalize their costs? They need governments to collect taxes, to maintain infrastructure and order, so that they can exploit this for profit. Call them the sixth estate (after the Press and the Military Intelligence Community (or MIC+I), #'s 4 and 5), that are at the moment more powerful than the others. . . and continuing to gain it as time marches forward.

      A good start would be a US Constitutional Amendment retracting the Citizens United ruling. Throw in the corporate person-hood while you're at it, as Constitutional Amendments require massive support to even make it to the floor, much less be ratified by the States. It's not just the US, of course, but the US is the only global Superpower, so things overall are unlikely to change until it happens in the US, no matter how progressive the entire rest of the world's governments might be.

    23. Re:Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

      the MAFIAA gets another digit of the nuclear launch codes

      You mean 0?

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

      True about 00000000, although I would recommend against ever citing The Daily Mail (Daily FAIL) as a source – which in its article cites a blog. Far better is Eric Schlosser's somewhat recent book "Command and Control." It's a scary read, detailing how close we were to accidental nuclear Armageddon, and many more times than you think. All in the book is thoroughly backed up by citations and de-classified documents.

    24. Re:Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Germany's police doesn't use anything bigger than MP5s and those happen to be standard issue for the SEK. If that part of the story even is true, because it sounds very fake.

      German police also have assault rifles. For good reasons because MP5s are rather weak if you are up against terrorists with bullet proof vests (like in the 2015 attack against Charlie Hebdo in Paris).

      Gembe did a reddit AMA and said while some of the officers did carry MP5s they didn't actually have their weapons drawn/pointed at him and that they woke him up rather nicely.
      https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/fpkav/the_boy_who_stole_halflife_2_fascinating_article/

    25. Re: Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

    26. Re:Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I'm not cool with excessive shows of force, or even judicial overreactions to personal white collar crime (even though corporate white collar crime typically gets a slap on the wrist)...

      You seem to have missed the part where this hacker repeatedly broke the law and transgressed against people who had done nothing to him. Indeed Valve's big "crime" against this lowlife appears to have been to make a great game. And so the hacker became obsessed.

      Then the hacker went full-on bizarro stupid, and involved others in his criminal activity. Which resulted in Half-Life code being posted to the Internet. If I was Valve, I'd be angry as hell. That's a lot of time and money spent developing a game and this likely threw the future of Half-Life into doubt. Not to mention being an unwelcome intrusion.

      This hacker dude crossed so many lines, I'll bet he doesn't even know what a line is anymore.

    27. Re:Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing I never get about this whole episode is the company he hacked was a just somewhat successful video game development house. Not some gargantuan military-industrial defence contractor where he might come across information highly sensitive to national security. Even the commercial implications of the leak aren't particularly important. How the did Valve have so much influence so mobilise an armed response unit, in another continent, back in 2004? It's 2016 now, the world has got a whole lot more police state since then, but we still don't see this kind of response very often to much less trivial hacking incidents. I always put this story down to the mythology surrounding Valve and the HL2 release, to be taken with a large pinch of salt and not at face value.

    28. Re:Automatic weapons for an illegal download. by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      The guns are not to punish the criminal, they are to protect the police. Police have walked into traps before, where everything seemed peaceful.
      Police should always be armed.

      For that matter, citizens should always be armed. ;-)

  6. Noob mistake. by dohzer · · Score: 1

    He should have just paid the $250M in damages instead of going to a court.

    1. Re:Noob mistake. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Here's two of the scripts I used, worth each 125M.

      What? Hey, you started making up numbers, so why shouldn't I?

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  7. So not the sharpest knife in the drawer by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    "The person I shared the source with assured me he would keep it to himself. He didn't..."

    Well duh.

    Hacker stills: 7/10
    Social skills: 0/10

    1. Re:So not the sharpest knife in the drawer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Spelling skills: 0/10

    2. Re: So not the sharpest knife in the drawer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. Spelling kills. That's why we don't do it. #blacklivesmatter

    3. Re:So not the sharpest knife in the drawer by jordanjay29 · · Score: 1

      This is the real news, right? "Hacker makes monumental achievement, has it stolen by shitty friend!"

  8. Re:"Eventually Game contacted Valve..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The Game contacted Valve - it had a built-in 'call home' feature...

  9. One HUNDRED BILLION dollars! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "You are being charged with hacking into Valve Corporation's network, stealing the video game Half-Life 2, leaking it onto the Internet, and causing damages in excess of $250 million..."

    Can't stand how companies attach such arbitrary bullshit numbers to this kind of thing. Two-hundred and fifty million dollars is literally just a number some person with great self-interest in picking a huge exaggerated number pulled out their ass with no way to quantify in any realistic manner.

    1. Re:One HUNDRED BILLION dollars! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I guess, that's how much Valve had to pay the makers of the Havoc physics engine, when it was discovered, that they had copied their code verbatim into the HL2 source

  10. Continued Access To Valve's Systems??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    TFA says:

    "But there were concerns about the ongoing access that Gembe had to Valve's servers and the potential damage he could still cause. So the FBI contacted the German police in order to alert them to the plan."

    Not much of an expert here, but they talked to him for 40 minutes, asking him about the details of the breach, which he apparently was willing to explain in detail and they couldn't shut him out?

    1. Re:Continued Access To Valve's Systems??? by retchdog · · Score: 1

      you're a fucking idiot.

      "oh, so that's how you got in. okay. do you know any other backdoors?"

      "nope."

      "promise?"

      "yup!"

      "well, that's good enough for us!"

      --
      "They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
  11. Idiots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've often thought that the modern perception of "intelligence" is merely the ability to not find it necessary to look at the bigger picture. This is what leads to something like:

    contacted Valve, apologized, and asked them for a job -- which led to a fake 40-minute job interview designed to gather enough evidence to arrest him

    Your average person wouldn't be so fucking stupid, but because all his brainpower was dedicated to his little ego trip, he had no time left to process the likely outcome of voluntarily coughing up all the evidence to your victim.

  12. Nope, not straightforward. by Ihlosi · · Score: 2
    Normally it's pretty straightforward to extradite someone given the evidence.

    Germany does not extradite its citizens (with very limited exceptions). It's in the constitution. Germany extraditing a German citizen to the US is about as straightforward as introducing a blanket ban on guns in the US - not gonna happen.

  13. The cardinal sin: Never contact your victim by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Especially not in a way that they can trace you.

    The urban legend is as old as the one about the hooker asking the John whether he's a policeman and if he is he has to answer truthfully. He doesn't. Likewise, nobody is going to give you a job for hacking them.

    Think about it: One of the key requirements when working for someone in such an environment is trust. He has to trust you that you will not sabotage his project, that you will not steal his project, that you will not allow others to gain access to it. All things that you would have the ability and means to if you wanted.

    Why the hell should he trust you after you already showed you are not trustworthy?

    --
    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    1. Re: The cardinal sin: Never contact your victim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep your friends close but your enemies closer maybe?

      At least they know his intentions and what he is capable of.

  14. Who is game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Eventually Game contacted Valve" - who is Game?

    1. Re: Who is game? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Eventually Game contacted Valve" - who is Game?

      Game is Half-Life 2.

      Why the hate for EditorDavid?

  15. A hypothetical sentence for a hypothetical loss by tomxor · · Score: 1

    I guess you could view probation as a hypothetical jail sentence...

  16. Re:"Eventually Game contacted Valve..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eventually Game contacted Valve, apologized, and asked them for a job...

    Takes a lot of fantasy to read it that way

  17. Since the code is out there by phorm · · Score: 1

    Can somebody please get on with making HL2Ep3, since Valve doesn't seem to give a f*** about it?

    (then again, it's not like you need the source for this. Just get the team that remade HL1 as "Black Mesa")

  18. The best part was... by Robert+Goatse · · Score: 1

    He actually thought Valve would give him a job after this stunt. He was on a call with them while they traced his location. What a winner! The German officials said he was lucky he didn't actually go to the US for a job interview as his sentence could have (would have?) been much much worse.

  19. Moral of the story... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Dont be stupid...

    Giving it to someone random on the internet and trusting them. Contact the company.... All of the above is incredibly stupid of you are a hacker.

    Dear kiddies, rule #1 - keep your mouth shut.

    Rule #2 - if you want to talk about something, see rule #1.

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    1. Re:Moral of the story... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

      #1 Rule about hacking: STFU aka "do NOT brag about it."

      I guess he wanted "recognition" for how 3l33t he was.

  20. Wow by bytesex · · Score: 1

    "Eventually GEMBLE contacted Valve, apologized, and asked them for a job"

    My mouth is still hanging open. Some people really, really have no idea how this world works.

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    1. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, everyone knows to get that job you have to go Ivy League, join a frat, make captain of the rowing team, take a few **** in the ****, **** a few ***** and *****.

    2. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you had a mixed experience at university.

    3. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're all adults here (or at least pretending to be). Don't worry about self-censoring your comments.

  21. Just redefine the word by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 0, Troll

    That is to say, the common definition for the word 'steal' includes copying something on a computer you do not have the right to.

    No, it does not. The common definition requires taking something away so that the original owner no longer has accessed to it.

    No, it doesn't. Stealing means taking something that does not belong to you. If you steal my ideas, you've stolen them.

    You are basically saying "I don't believe intellectual property is property, and I will redefine the language so that in the way I use it it is not property."

    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/steal?s=t

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    1. Re:Just redefine the word by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      No, it doesn't. Stealing means taking something that does not belong to you. If you steal my ideas, you've stolen them.

      You are basically saying "I don't believe intellectual property is property, and I will redefine the language so that in the way I use it it is not property."

      http://www.dictionary.com/browse/steal?s=t

      I don't buy this, at all.

      When you have an idea, that is as close as you can get intellectual property. That information is in your head and is yours. As soon as you tell anyone, without taking any steps to protect said information, or at least it's use (but that's something different) it's in their head too. You can make no claim or assertion as to what a person does with the information in their heads. You can make all the claims you want but there's no way at all to prove ownership, or that you were the originator of the idea, or that no one else had had it before (thusly being the actual IP owner). You can and should protect your ideas where you can if appropriate. What you shouldn't do is blab them and claim that it's your intellectual property because that shit don't fly.

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    2. Re:Just redefine the word by Barny · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Wow, you are all over this thread. Okay, here goes. They had their ideas, they stored them on their own computers. Someone hacked into them and stole them. They stole their ideas, that were rigidly defined. They copied them, they took the copy they made and had it in their possession. That is stealing. Taking something that doesn't belong to you IS stealing. The whole 'denying it to the owner' argument is BS. If I steal something physical from someone, then give it back in perfect condition before they need to use it again, that is still stealing.

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    3. Re:Just redefine the word by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      That post was about the concept of intellectual property itself, not the merits of theft vs unauthorised copying.

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    4. Re:Just redefine the word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If someone has a document, and I see this document and make a copy of it, that copy is mine, in my possession, and was never in theirs. This does not constitute theft, and it is a sloppy abuse of the language to describe it as such. It may be copyright infringement, it may be invasion of privacy, it may be a breach of the Official Secrets act, but it is not theft.

    5. Re:Just redefine the word by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      They had their ideas, they stored them on their own computers.

      Okay.

      Someone hacked into them and stole them.

      No.

      They stole their ideas,

      No.

      that were rigidly defined.

      So?

      They copied them,

      Yes.

      they took the copy they made

      No. You don't "take a copy you make". You just "make a copy". Then there's a copy, and the original. That's why it's not stealing.

      and had it in their possession.

      They had in their possession a copy of some copyrighted material. That is copyright infringement.

      That is stealing.

      No. It's theft. If it were stealing, it would have been covered by existing law, and there would have been no need to create copyright law. But theft is fundamentally different because someone is deprived of something. Aha, you say, but when you violate copyright, someone is deprived of their right to control copies! But, I say, that "right" is an artificial one created for the purpose of profit, and not even for its stated purpose of encouraging participation in the arts — which itself would not be sufficient justification for its creation, even if it were true, which it patently is not .

      If you want to argue that copyright should be a thing, fine. Make that argument, without resorting to lies like suggesting that it is theft when it is not. The crime is called copyright infringement and it is distinctly different from theft.

      If I steal something physical from someone, then give it back in perfect condition before they need to use it again, that is still stealing.

      Yes. And if you copy someone's copyrighted media, "consume" it (which is also an inappropriate word, hence the quotes — nothing is actually consumed in the process) and then delete your copy without them finding out, you are still illegally violating their copyright. But it's still not theft, no matter how many times you insist that it is. You will never be able to prosecute someone for theft when they engaged in copyright infringement, any more than you can prosecute them for copyright infringement when they steal a CD from the mall.

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    6. Re: Just redefine the word by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Abuse of the language is the only correct use of the language.

    7. Re: Just redefine the word by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      This is fun. Two people muddying it up with legal meaning vs. common meaning and theft vs. infringement. Reality appears largely to be ignored as per usual. There is a cesspool of ideas; and patents at the very least are written to try to more as many future developers as possible. There are three dumps of Microsoft OS code on torrents it isn't knocking on my door to get back and legal definitions sometimes only matter when you are actually in court. Except when you can convince the other person legality matters early on and it is in your favor.

    8. Re:Just redefine the word by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      Yes.

      If you find something in a path in the woods, and no owner is around, and you take it, then it is stealing because it did not belong to you.

      Other definitions are an artifact of the big cities, where picking someone's pocket as they walk by is just good clean fun. 8-P

    9. Re:Just redefine the word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you find something in a path in the woods, and no owner is around, and you take it, then it is stealing because it did not belong to you.

      Bad comparison. Even if the owner is not around, you are still taking it from the unknown owner, whereas copying data never deprives anyone of anything.

  22. Brain Dead Fuck Needs To Be Spanked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First he steals the source code.
    Then stupidly leaks it to the world.
    He 'feels bad' about it and says 'I'm sorry.
    Then he has the unmitigated gall to ask them for a job? How fucking stupid can one person be? 'Hey, uh... I know I robbed your house and all, but do you want to give me a job? I love your stuff.'

    This fucktard deserves a spanking. Two years probation is NOT adequate.

  23. "Damages in excess of $250 million" by L.+J.+Beauregard · · Score: 1

    I see cop math is not limited to the USA.

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  24. Yet another reason not to support Value by evolutionary · · Score: 0

    In addition to their DRM and agressive marketing (though not as bad as EA), they not send armies because someone spotted an inept flaw in their security systems. They should have kept their assets more secure (ideally offline if possible). instead they try to make an "example" and all they accomplish is confirm they are complete asses. How sad. The only thing sadder, are the politicians who appear to bend over backwards for these corporations. At least the judge seemed to have a more object head than everyone else. But come on..someone committing a white collar legal violation, whose poor judgement merely resulted (potentially) in a minor profit loss, apologies for his folly, and they gets military grade German troopers at his house?!? Come one. I'm proud to say I have never supported Valve(steam) and anyone here who this this is excessive force should not buy anymore games via Steam. GOG.com has plenty. It's costs a little more there, but at least you know you can feel better about whose business you support. Vote with your mind, heart, and dollars.

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    1. Re:Yet another reason not to support Value by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Adobe and Cisco both went the jackboot route as well, with Cisco going as far as dragging a guy out of a court hearing for extra contempt for society. Both were over far more trivial things than this example.

  25. Damages before sales? by OccamsRazorTime · · Score: 1

    These theoretical damages were clearly based on pre-release speculation. However, most charges are also based on theoretical damages long before any evidence of actual damage. The video game went on to do better than its prequel which suggests damages were minimal. Why can prosecutions in America occur faster than the actual production of evidence (sales numbers)? It is like a prosecution finalizing its arguments before the DNA can be sequenced so it can be excluded.