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Windows 10 Anniversary Update To Roll Out On August 2

Windows 10's first major update -- dubbed Anniversary Update -- will be released to users on August 2, according to a blog post published by Microsoft (Archive link). The company presumably posted the blog post ahead of the original publication plans, and as a result, quickly pulled the story. Windows 10 Anniversary Update will bring with it a number of major changes including extensions to Edge, and improvements to Cortana and Hello biometric feature. It will also mark the end of the one-year free Windows 10 update offer for Windows 7 and Windows 8.x users.

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  1. By any other name... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a service pack.

    1. Re: By any other name... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Great! Always good to get a service pack that improves the security, stability, and performance of the system. Call it what you want but I'm excited for it!

    2. Re: By any other name... by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      Please, think of the touchscreens!

    3. Re: By any other name... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're just jealous that Windows 10 users don't have to deal with Systemd and GNOME 3.

    4. Re: By any other name... by LichtSpektren · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're just jealous that Windows 10 users don't have to deal with Systemd and GNOME 3.

      The most serial criticisms of system and GNOME 3 are that they're too similar to Windows SCM and Metro, respectively. Thus saying that one should then use Windows to avoid them is a collapsing spiral staircase of lunacy.

    5. Re: By any other name... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      A year later and Windows 10 is still buggy as shit, not to mention all the horrendously bad design decisions.

      You must be running at the minimum hardware specs. Windows 10 is like Windows Vista. I originally built my system for Vista in 2007, which required more hardware resources to run fine. Windows 10 runs perfectly fine on that system.

    6. Re: By any other name... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Only kids and the IT illiterate lust after day 1 updates and meaningless version bumps.

      Professional IT workers will test an update for two weeks prior to releasing into a production environment. Not every patch released by Microsoft gets approved for installation. Fortunately, most corporate environments are still Windows 7.

    7. Re: By any other name... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      I'm talking about the bugs that still haven't been fixed after more than a year, all the bad UI design and pointless crapware, like Cortana, which if you completely delete will hose your system.

      Just ignore Metro and turn off Cortana, which is what I do.

    8. Re: By any other name... by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

      Somewhat amusing that ads on the lock screen and in the start menu is "intuitive" to Windows users...

    9. Re: By any other name... by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Not what happens. They may provide the fix, but it's buried amongst things *they* want to foist on you.

    10. Re: By any other name... by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      "collapsing spiral staircase of lunacy" - Love it. I shall abscond with that.

    11. Re: By any other name... by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      I don't have the ads you speak of so I honestly don't know what you're talking about.

    12. Re: By any other name... by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

      You're just jealous that Windows 10 users don't have to deal with Systemd and GNOME 3.

      The most serial criticisms of system and GNOME 3 are that they're too similar to Windows SCM and Metro, respectively. Thus saying that one should then use Windows to avoid them is a collapsing spiral staircase of lunacy.

      as a Gnome Shell user, I have to disagree about it being similar to Windows 8.

      Well, sorry then. I have no desire to antagonize GNOME Shell fans/users. I'm just responding to the insane trolling that it's somehow bundled into the Linux kernel and therefore unavoidable.

    13. Re: By any other name... by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 1

      I think he is referring to the few ads from the MS store that appear when you left-click the start button. It shows some of the metro tiles and a few are kinda ads for apps like Solitaire, Minecraft, iHeart Radio, Xbox Network and the like.
      They are quite unobtrusive and if you never open the start menu that way you never see them. After all most of the important stuff comes up under a right-click in a convienient list. As I use the start menu to access a few key, but seldom used programs not pinned to the taskbar., I don't see the ads when I open it unless I scroll down.
      I hate icons on my desktop so I use pinning quite a bit more than the average user who has a metric shit-ton of icons on their desktop. (at least were using metric!).
      It actually makes a damn fine quicklaunch, with icons large enough for these old eyes to see.

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    14. Re:By any other name... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Right. And I'm a bit worried about the understanding of basic English by the author of the summary. The sentence "a number of major changes including extensions to Edge, and improvements to Cortana and Hello biometric feature" clearly confuses the word "major" with "yawn-inducing".

    15. Re: By any other name... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      You get that stuff from the periodic updates, not from a service pack.

    16. Re: By any other name... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      This may be the first time where I would prefer a video version of that post.

    17. Re: By any other name... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      The GP didn't say anything about it being slow, only that it's buggy with bad design decisions.

    18. Re: By any other name... by Nunya666 · · Score: 1

      Only kids and the IT illiterate lust after day 1 updates and meaningless version bumps.

      Professional IT workers will test an update for two weeks prior to releasing into a production environment. Not every patch released by Microsoft gets approved for installation. Fortunately, most corporate environments are still Windows 7.

      Not my employer, and we have over 4,000 users worldwide. No testing of MS updates, and many users have either Win8 or Win10. Maybe that's why our IT management has such high turnover. Now that they got rid of the idiots, I'm hoping things get better in a hurry.

    19. Re: By any other name... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Now that they got rid of the idiots, I'm hoping things get better in a hurry.

      That's the first step in developing a professional IT department.

    20. Re: By any other name... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      "Just ignore the advertising and work around the data theft"

      What advertising and what data theft? I'm using Win10 exactly like I did with Win7.

    21. Re: By any other name... by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 1

      Settings -> Start -> 'Occasionally show suggestions in Start' -> OFF.

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    22. Re: By any other name... by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      Ahh, the spotlight feature. I was thinking you guys were referring to something different. Although I don't get that, possibly because it's disabled by default on the pro version. If this is people biggest problems with Windows 10 they need to get a grip. This is nothing compared with paying to see a movie, waiting at an airport, browsing the web, watching video online...

    23. Re: By any other name... by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I think the haters will hate no matter what. This is no invasive by any means and can easily be disabled.

  2. Anniversary update.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And then I have to re-turnoff Cortana, reset the switches to block MS-bound data, and in general, try
    to discover the new ways MS has made sure to F-up things so they can anal-probe my machine...

    1. Re:Anniversary update.... by rudy_wayne · · Score: 2

      And then I have to re-turnoff Cortana,

      Even if you "turn off" Cortana, it's still running in the background. Try to kill it with Task Manager and it comes right back. There is a way to kill it permanently, but my experience has been that Cortana is the new Internet Explorer -- kill it and you hose your entire system.

    2. Re:Anniversary update.... by vux984 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Even if you "turn off" Cortana, it's still running in the background.

      Yes and no. Yes, there absolutely is a process called Cortana running in the background. But its not still listening to your microphone, etc. Its providing backend services for stuff like location services.

      What's in a name?

      In theory Microsoft should have broken the functionality into two separate modules. "Cortana Personal Assistant" and "Cortana Services". Where the former is JUST the voice-mic-UI stuff; and the latter does all the other stuff -- the search functionality, location services, and provides the hooks that other apps connect to to add their "cortana" functionality, should you ever turn Cortana back on. ... of course people like your self would still freak about "Cortana Services" running even after the "Cortana Personal Assistant" went away so instead of calling it "Cortana Services" it should be called "wcmi_support" or something suitably innocuous. Then when you looked at the process list, nothing would be *called* cortana and you'd now be happy.

      Although nothing changed at all except the name of a process.

      Sometimes I think Microsoft should rename the Task Scheduler from "Schedule" to "Clippy" and "svchost" to "systemd" just for the fireworks display.

    3. Re:Anniversary update.... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I'd be unhappy if there were services in the background of any name providing location services, indexing my files (I've always turned that off), and so forth. When I see my hard disk being constantly active when I've been sitting idle for an hour then I start getting suspicious of either malware or Microsoft bloat. Apple has an OSX update that tries to reduce CPU usage and improve power savings, whereas a Microsoft update seems to be about how to suck up even more of those cycles.

  3. How does the "Free" licensing work? by wardrich86 · · Score: 2

    Is it worth doing the free upgrade and then downgrading? Will I be able to upgrade to W10 indefinitely on the off chance that they (or the community) fix up all the problems and snooping? How does the licensing work?

    1. Re:How does the "Free" licensing work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Exactly how would the community "fix up all the problems and snooping"? It's a closed source operating system, you are totally beholden to the manufacturer for any changes. And you have no say whatsoever in the design, implementation and quality of the product.

      The product is designed solely from the manufacturer's perspective; and that perspective is to extract as much revenue as possible from you directly or indirectly. Your wishes make not one iota of difference to them unless it means you will not be a possible revenue stream in the future, and even then that revenue would need to be of sufficient size to warrant doing so. Which is highly unlikely in this particular case given the manufacturer's stranglehold over the desktop market.

      TL;DR: You are a peon and they got you by the balls by your own volition.

    2. Re:How does the "Free" licensing work? by freeze128 · · Score: 2

      Nobody who has accepted the free upgrade has paid anything.

    3. Re:How does the "Free" licensing work? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      So, free as in punch in the balls?

      Anyway, this sort of update is one of the reasons why I haven't upgraded. Randomly changing major parts of the OS in ways I can't predict or veto. I'll stick with 8.1 for now thanks, purely for stability. The "slow ring" thing for Windows 10 is a joke, it just delays the pain but does little to mitigate it.

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    4. Re:How does the "Free" licensing work? by vux984 · · Score: 2

      Is it worth doing the free upgrade and then downgrading?

      IMO Yes.

      Will I be able to upgrade to W10 indefinitely

      According to Microsoft yes. (at least on that hardware)

      on the off chance that they (or the community) fix up all the problems and snooping

      The community more or less already has, depending on your level of paranoia.

      Spybot Anti-Beacon

      And there are several other tools out there too.

      And for what its worth, unless you are disabling all updates and/or manually vetting every update to your win7/8 box the snooping is still a problem.

      For most people, whether you are on 7 or 10 you are probably best served with an anti-telemetry tool as the least hassle way of dealing with this. And since its the same issue and solution whether you are on 7 or 10 then you can choose to run 7 or 10 based on other criteria.

    5. Re:How does the "Free" licensing work? by dwillden · · Score: 1

      It works in that if you had win 7 or 8 and upgrade by the end date, you have a current windows license from now on. Windows is getting away from the old licensing scheme and now when you buy a new machine it will have Windows and will be updated for the life of the machine. Or you build a machine and buy a Windows license and it gets updates for the life of the machine, (which if you know what you are doing is indefinitely) Updates will be more like the cell phone market (except without carriers needlessly delaying upgrades because they have their own gui that they need to upgrade first (Samsung touchwiz)).

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    6. Re:How does the "Free" licensing work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Is it worth doing the free upgrade and then downgrading? Will I be able to upgrade to W10 indefinitely on the off chance that they (or the community) fix up all the problems and snooping? How does the licensing work?

      The free upgrade is tied to your computer's Hardware ID.

      When you install Windows 10 your hardware ID is sent to Microsoft. As long as you don't make any major changes to your computer (new motherboard is the big one) you can do a clean install at any time and Windows 10 will continue to work just fine. It just checks your Hardware ID against the one Microsoft has on file and when they match everything is fine.

      Don't mess around with upgrading/downgrading. Use a backup program to save a copy of your current Windows installation. I like Acronis True Image, but there are others. Then, if you don't like Windows 10, it's easy to go back to whatever you were running before.

      Upgrade from Windows 7 or 8 without going through the complete upgrade process:

      Download Windows 10 ISO and extract file called "gatherosstate.exe" in the "sources" directory and run it on your current version of Windows. It will generate a file called GenuineTicket.xml -- save this to an external drive.

      Do a clean install of Windows 10, skip entering license key during setup procedure.

      Disable Internet connection. Reboot.

      Copy GenuineTicket.xml to "C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\ClipSVC\GenuineTicket\ "

      Reboot. Re-enable Internet connection.

      After a few minutes Windows 10 will be activated and you're ready to go.

    7. Re:How does the "Free" licensing work? by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      Exactly how would the community "fix up all the problems and snooping"? It's a closed source operating system, you are totally beholden to the manufacturer for any changes. And you have no say whatsoever in the design, implementation and quality of the product.

      You're right, this can't be readily changed by the community at the OS level. However, Windows still (at least for the moment) gives users root access. I got sick of Cortana's executable starting up, so I went to the folder and did a 'deny all everyone' file permissions change; not even the system user can access it. O&O ShutUp 10 and Spybot AntiBeacon both reduce telemetry and set policies that disable many of the snooping/syncing features. It's possible to configure Windows Firewall to block system applications and - at least for the moment - the firewall isn't smart enough to ignore those rules if configured.

      The community can't change the OS...but there are measures that can be taken to reduce the telemetry. If the community wants to conjure up an open source "Windows 10 Privacy Suite", there's nothing stopping them from writing it, and nothing stopping users from installing it.

    8. Re:How does the "Free" licensing work? by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      In my opinion the ONLY way Windows 10 is going to EVER be tolerably safe to use is if you block the telemetry sites in a hardware firewall.. Home users are kinda out of luck unless they're clueful and use something like pfsense or other *real* firewall.. Just for fun, I did some testing a while back, took two laptops with Windows10 on them, one with a default-install, meaning all of the telemetry/spyware enabled, an MS account login, and a second laptop with a "castrated" install, local login account only, and Spybot Antibeacon. I loaded a remote packet capture daemon (rpcapd) on my router, and pointed a copy of Wireshark at the packet capture tool. Took 2 hours worth of packets on each individual system, and compared them.. Funny thing.. the alledgedly castrated system was blabbing endlessly at about 50% of the total number of the listed URLs as the un-castrated default-install system... Conclusion is, Windows 10 cannot be safely defanged without blocking at an external firewall....

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    9. Re:How does the "Free" licensing work? by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      Other than starting a "Whack-A-Mole" between the authors of this "Windows 10 Privacy Suite" and MS.. Sure this "Privacy Suite" might stop the spyware aspects of Windows10 *today* but if more and more people began to use said tool, and MS/NSA's data-collection started dropping off, you can bet there would be changes that would bypass/change things and re-enable the spyware aspects and then the devs of the privacy tool would counter those changes, Rise and Repeat, ad infinitum... OR the MS legal dept would just sue the developers of the tool to death... Both scenarios are perfectly in character for MS...

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    10. Re:How does the "Free" licensing work? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      It might be possible. However it's a bit risky. You get all the pain from upgrading combined with all the pain of doing a rollback, and the chance that one of those steps will go wrong. To do a rollback would mean you need an in-place upgrade that leaves lots of junk leftover on the system rather than doing a clean installation. If it did work you'd have to keep that authorization code stored away and then re-apply it in the future.

      Things don't work the same way the used to. For instance, you can not just go and get your Windows 10 authentication code without actually upgrading. They'll probably have to change that when it's no longer free (my bet is that they keep extending the deadline in perpetuity, at least for Home version).

    11. Re:How does the "Free" licensing work? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      The OEM-ness is inherited too I think. Ie, my PC came with Windows 7 pre-installed, then I upgraded to Windows 8 Pro and paid money for it ($15). But this special offer only applies to those who had purchased a new PC within a few weeks of Windows 8 release (normally a ridiculous $199 price). Then that could be upgraded (for free) to Windows 10 Pro. But it's probably still tainted by originally coming from an OEM.

    12. Re:How does the "Free" licensing work? by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Nobody who has accepted the free upgrade has paid anything yet.

      FTFY

  4. Re:great news by jenningsthecat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's great that those of us normal people who have already updated to Windows 10 will receive this update. Meanwhile, the neckbeards and tinfoil hat Lunix zealots will be stuck without a secure and up to date system. Seems like a good deal to me.

    Obviously you don't have much experience at trolling - that attempt was about as subtle a sledgehammer, and reeked of incompetence. Go away, and don't come back 'til you have some skillz.

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  5. question... by Kierthos · · Score: 1

    With the end of the "Free update", does this mean the end of the festering nag screen of "Don't you want to update to Windows 10?" as well as any chance of it "accidentally" updating to Windows 10?

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    1. Re:question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      No. It will still upgrade to Windows 10 but then encrypt the hard disk until you pay for the upgrade.

    2. Re:question... by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

      Microsoft says they will stop trying to push Windows 10 on you after July 29. That's what they say. Whether or not they are lying remains to be seen.

    3. Re:question... by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      hehe It'd be just like them to continue to push it on everybody, but after its downloaded, it pops up a box asking for a credit card, and if you refuse, it soft-bricks your computer... Frankly I wouldn't put it past them.....

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    4. Re:question... by Nunya666 · · Score: 1

      No. It will still upgrade to Windows 10 but then encrypt the hard disk until you pay for the upgrade.

      Funny as hell!

      Crap, I can't mod up once I've replied to a story.

      I hate silly, pointless rules that exist just for the sake of having rules.

    5. Re:question... by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      but after its downloaded, it pops up a box asking for a credit card, and if you refuse, it soft-bricks your computer...

      If you refuse, it just checks all cached web sites for any credit card details and runs it automatically, "for your convenience".

  6. Meh by EndlessNameless · · Score: 2

    Given its penetration, the Edge extensions hardly matter.

    Most of the other features are niche, invasive, or useless. Seriously, does anyone release malware that can't evade Windows Defender out of the box?

    Cortana will remain relatively useless until it can integrate with smartphones, which means Microsoft will have to put more effort into its Android and iOS apps, helping to make them first-class platforms.

    Anything that makes the Windows Store better sounds good. That's the only thing of real value I see, and even then it's more for the future than the present.

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    1. Re:Meh by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      does anyone release malware that can't evade Windows Defender out of the box?

      Given Window Defenders wide spread usage, it would kind of be pointless to do so. Evading Windows Defender would be the minimum requirement for any new piece of malware.

    2. Re:Meh by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

      does anyone release malware that can't evade Windows Defender out of the box?

      Given Window Defenders wide spread usage, it would kind of be pointless to do so. Evading Windows Defender would be the minimum requirement for any new piece of malware.

      No antivirus is capable of defending against zero-days, so it's a moot point to begin with. The Windows security model is fundamentally broken--probably on purpose, to fuel sales for the AV vendors.

    3. Re:Meh by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      I am excited to get a fully functional bash (Ubuntu) in Windows! You cannot deny that is pretty awesome... The year of desktop Linux indeed!

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    4. Re:Meh by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      Is this the one that includes Bash?

    5. Re:Meh by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Seriously, does anyone release malware that can't evade Windows Defender out of the box?

      This is about the only thing I can find fault with in your post. Yes. Windows Defender catches plenty of things. It's about as good as any anti-virus which is significant because you can get rid of those bullshit programs which ironically slow down your system more than the alternative Microsoft offer.

      Past studies I've seen show Windows Defender on par or better than various products. Mind you the better then ones seem to use somewhat questionable methodology, but ultimately if you're relying on Anti-virus to keep you safe you may as well set fire to your computer and walk away, as anything capable of defeating Defender will be just as capable at defeating any other program out there.

      It's not perfect, but it protects me really well from Symantec and Norton.

    6. Re:Meh by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      MEH, for sure!!
      If I want a bash shell, I *know* where to find it.. hint: It ISNT on an MS product!! I suppose for those poor schlubs who MUST use Windows (at work, or have to run pgms that Wine/Crossover won't do) it may be of *some* use, but jeeeebus, running a bash shell on Windows, is like towing a beat-up UHaul trailer behind a Ferrarri...

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  7. What about LTSB? by sirber · · Score: 1

    Will there be an upgrade to LTSB release? The only version useable...

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  8. On The Fence re: Win10? by tsqr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I performed this procedure on an old Win7 netbook, and it worked out fine. Good way to take an objective look at Win10 without endangering your Win7 installation with a possibly irreversible update process.

    1. Re:On The Fence re: Win10? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      It's still an upgrade in-place rather than a clean install. That is, it will try to migrate all your settings, applications, and so forth. Which is ok, but it will leave around a lot of junk and you never really get back to that new computer smell.

      I had a problem once where I screwed up the install by not exporting my files to a backup, so after wiping the primary partition and installing from scratch it ended up saying that all the files on the second partition were owned by an unknown user and couldn't be modified (a major hassle).

    2. Re:On The Fence re: Win10? by tsqr · · Score: 1

      It's still an upgrade in-place rather than a clean install. That is, it will try to migrate all your settings, applications, and so forth. Which is ok, but it will leave around a lot of junk and you never really get back to that new computer smell.

      No, it's a clean install, but it has to start with a working instance of Win7. In my case, I copied gatherosstate.exe from the install DVD to the Win7 desktop, executed it, and copied the resulting GenuineTicket.xml to a thumb drive. I then installed a new hard drive in the computer, did a clean install from the DVD (skipping the license key entry by selecting "I don't have a license key" -- at least I think that's what it said. Something like that, anyway), then copied GenuineTicket.xml to the appropriate location on the hard drive. So, when I was done I had a hard drive with the original Win7, and a new (installed) hard drive with Win10.

  9. Re: Let the bitchfest commence by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

    Describing the collection of anonymized data as spyware is dishonest and false for two reasons. First, it's anonymous so it can't be used to spy on anyone. Second, they are not hiding that they collect it; normally if you are spying on someone you don't tell them.

    Aside from that it's just an overblow worry. People who have this concern typically have no problem using a smartphone or google products. They just use it as a flimsy prop for their anti-ms bias.

    How do you know it's anonymized? How do you even know what information is being transmitted to Microsoft? It's encrypted. And clearly it's very valuable to Microsoft, because it conspicuously bypasses the user's hosts file and the firewall. And it's dispersed to over 100 domains, some of which you could possibly guess what it's for, but most of them in mystery.

    Although Microsoft have publicly documented that you can't turn off the surveillance, the buttons in the OS which seem to turn it off is very misleading. Hence they are, in effect, hiding it.

  10. Re: Let the bitchfest commence by LichtSpektren · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, but repeating your false pro-Linux propaganda over and over won't make it true, either.

    Which part is false: the part about the spyware (which even Microsoft admits is true, albeit in an indirect way, because they've documented that you cannot turn off any of the surveillance without the Enterprise edition), the part that Windows has malware and Linux does not, or the part that it is my advocacy that people should boycott Windows and use Linux instead?

    I might be missing something but I was able to turn off all the spyware in the privacy settings and I am running the home version. ??

    No, you pressed some buttons that gave the appearance of turning off the spyware. In effect, they do nothing unless you're on the "Enterprise" edition: http://www.forbes.com/sites/go...

  11. Re:Hope they fixed 2 bugs by stackOVFL · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't forget the fuzzy fonts issue. That one drives me nuts.

  12. "Free?" by davesays · · Score: 1

    "It will also mark the end of the one-year free Windows 10 update offer" So, now they'll bill you after forcing the upgrade?

  13. Re: Let the bitchfest commence by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

    Looks like another list that I need to add to my router based DNS poisoning/blocking update script.

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  14. Well played. by TylerJWhit · · Score: 1

    As a Linux user, I applaud you. Good jab. LOL

  15. Re: Let the bitchfest commence by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    Although Microsoft have publicly documented that you can't turn off the surveillance, the buttons in the OS which seem to turn it off is very misleading. Hence they are, in effect, hiding it.

    Telemetry is fine. Forced telemetry is fine - for the free version (hey, you got it for free). Here's the problem I have with it: The paid version of Windows 10 will still have (I strongly imagine) this forced telemetry and all the other crap, like adverts and subscription Solitaire. That's unacceptable.

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  16. Digital entitlement by tepples · · Score: 1

    I get the impression from "Activation in Windows 10" that when you upgrade to Windows 10 or install Windows 10 with a Windows 7 product key during this offer, your digital entitlement is stored with Microsoft. So if you upgrade before the end of July, go back to Windows 7, and then reinstall Windows 10, it will access the same digital entitlement.

  17. Re:great news by tepples · · Score: 1

    You point out that Windows 10 isn't secure from its update provider. But is any general-purpose PC operating system secure both from its update provider and from attackers who exploit defects in software that isn't updated?

  18. Re: Let the bitchfest commence by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

    How do you even know what information is being transmitted to Microsoft? It's encrypted.

    lol.. its encrypted.. so how do _YOU_ know what it is? Maybe its nothing.

    You linux cheerleaders are funny and sad at the same time. I guess you don't really have to be rational to use Linux. You just have to be some kind of anti-ms troll.

    That's amazing logic there. You don't have to worry about spyware because you don't explicitly know how much of the surveillance is being reported.

    Somebody put an Internet-connected video camera in front of my toilet. I'm not worried though: I don't know what it's taping!

  19. Re: Let the bitchfest commence by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

    There is no "free" version of Windows 10. If you've paid for Windows 7 or 8, then you can get a free "upgrade" to Windows 10, but you still paid for it indirectly.

  20. Re: Let the bitchfest commence by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

    I should add though, it's clearly a substantial amount of data from surveillance, since it's multiple MB per day dispersed to over 100 domains. Although one should still be alarmed even if that were not the case: it only takes a few bytes and one domain to log that you're a political dissident, or to keylog your encryption password, or that you're a kayaking fan and Bing should show you related ads.

  21. Re:great news by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

    You point out that Windows 10 isn't secure from its update provider. But is any general-purpose PC operating system secure both from its update provider and from attackers who exploit defects in software that isn't updated?

    If you use a FOSS operating system like Linux or FreeBSD, you can audit the updates and apply them selectively. So even if you didn't trust Red Hat/SUSE/Canonical, you could still benefit from their security patches.

  22. Only one way to make the windows store better! by HannethCom · · Score: 1

    The Windows Store is a complete cash grab. It offers no value. They don't even properly filter out malware. Also you may see your purchase disappear, because reasons. Microsoft has done it in the past, on and is still doing it!

    Taking these things into consideration, the only way to improve it, it to delete it off your system. It is a useless pile of garbage that has some fundamental design flaws. The biggest of which is that it is run by Microsoft and the biggest flaws in it Microsoft has no interest in preventing.

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    1. Re:Only one way to make the windows store better! by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      I love how the MS Store is a cash grab... ok, I suppose you are right, but then so is Google Play store and Apple store...

      Anyway, the value I see in the store is universal Windows apps and games. Buy a game once on the app store and you can then play it on all Win10 platforms, including the xbox... that is certainly less cash grabby than forcing you to buy multiple copies...

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    2. Re:Only one way to make the windows store better! by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Yes those are cash grabs too. That's the major flaw in Windows 10, in that it tries downgrade itself to being merely a smart phone OS. So lots and lots of apps available, but after browsing them it turns out there are only 2 or 3 apps worth ever getting for free and 0 apps worth paying for.

  23. Re:great news by epyT-R · · Score: 1

    Considering the extremely high probability of more security fixes in the future, is the system truly ever secure?

  24. Good Riddance by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

    It will also mark the end of the one-year free Windows 10 update offer for Windows 7 and Windows 8.x users.

    All I can say is "Good Riddance"... I lost count of the number of machines I've had to mess with because either the client DIDN'T WANT Windows 10 for one reason or another, OR the "malware" that *is* Windows 10, or "Windows NSA Edition" or my fav, Windows, the CTD (Computer-Transmitted Disease) managed to get installed, user was on the ball enough to initiate the "roll-back" to their previous version and 10 decided to shit the floor with their machine/data... I was soooo glad to hear of the lady who sued MS and got ten grand from them.. Hope theres a flood more of these suits... Couldn't happen to a more deserving company... Soooo glad I gave up using MS products on *my* systems quite some time ago...

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  25. If the udate to 10 is free by sa1lnr · · Score: 1

    Does that mean I can sell my six retail wiindows 7?

    The question is kind of rhetorical as I suspect not.

  26. Re: Let the bitchfest commence by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

    Dunno why I'm replying to an AC, but here goes... You *just* think you turned off the spyware... I've found thru my own testing that installing using the non-default method, and turning OFF all those cute little toggle switches do NOT turn off the spyware aspects of 10... I described what I did later in another comment later on, and its certainly convinced me that, withOUT a hardware firewall blocking these connections, Windows 10 Home/Pro are a privacy nightmare... So glad I gave up using MS products on my personal systems quite some time ago....

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    THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
  27. Oh, crap... by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

    Only this week I replaced my laptop's 5400rpm hard drive (Windows 10) with an SSD running Debian.

    Sorry MS.

    Do you support booting off a USB2 drive yet, cos come August I couldn't be arsed getting the screwdriver out again.

  28. Re: Let the bitchfest commence by tijgertje · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the list :) Dropped them in the company DNS server. Good luck MS sending data if you can't resolve the domains >:)

  29. No more annoyment then ? by tofleplof · · Score: 1

    So does that mean that after 08/02 windows will stop buggering me to upgrade to W10 ? If so, this is good news -- especially when you're running some *nix system !