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Tesla Autopilot 2.0 Is Coming This Year, Source Confirms (technobuffalo.com)
An anonymous reader writes from a report via TechnoBuffalo: A source close to Tesla Motors confirmed to TechnoBuffalo that Tesla Autopilot 2.0 is coming soon. Other media outlets like Teslarati have reported on prototype Model S and Model X vehicles operating in the wild sporting two forward facing cameras, which may indicate part of the new hardware necessary to take advantage of Autopilot 2.0's additional features. "The dual camera system is capable of recognizing and reacting to stop signs and traffic lights with no driver input," said the source. The current Autopilot software cannot simply stop itself at a light or a stop sign on its own -- it needs a car in front of it in order to automatically slow down or stop. The added cameras should help Autopilot 2.0 read and react to traffic lights and stop signs, and thus bring Tesla's cars closer to autonomous driving. The source did mention that Tesla's current test vehicles with Autopilot 2.0 are running "very beta" software that was likely the precursor to v8.0. U.S. regulators are actively investigating 25,000 Tesla Model S cars after a fatal crash involving a vehicle using the "Autopilot" mode was reported. Despite the tragedy, Elon Musk recently said that Autopilot could save half a million lives every year if Tesla Autopilot was universally available.
The added cameras should help Autopilot 2.0 read and react to traffic lights and stop signs, and thus bring Tesla's cars closer to autonomous driving
Now when there's too much sunlight we can have Teslas not recognise traffic lights, and drive straight through intersections causing T-bone accidents and pileups.
Welcome to your brave new Tesla future!
Perhaps, if the car was globally available. But if the car was _universally_ available, maybe it could save _gazillions_ of lives!
Why is this story on the front page *twice*? Look, the technology in and of itself isn't evil. It's a tool. That said, Musk is on the record as wanting to make driving illegal. You can mod me Troll all you want, and throw around pejoratives like "SJW" all you want; but if you have networked cars, automated driving, and it's illegal to drive then that's a fascist enabling tool. Not the "right kind of person"? You don't drive. This is why I hope this particular venture fails hard. Electric cars? Yes. Muskbot control? No.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
A little radar could go a long way in helping with collision avoidance.
To not exceed the speed limit, when any "auto" feature is enabled.
There should be a rule that unless the car is totally under manual control, it cannot exceed the speed limit.
Drivers are going to start relying more and more on these "features" while the car makers still say the driver must be in control. For the driver to have time to react, especially to unusual events, the car must not be going excessively fast.
never install the dot-oh release
Now instead of working autonomously 99% of the time, it'll work autonomously 99.9% of the time! That's good enough for me to just let it do its thing while I watch a movie.
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
Tesla is not advertising auto drive cars but installing and developing a system that assists the driver in performing the task of driving. Tesla states in numerous places and in bold print that the driver should be attentive and always ready to assume control, just the same way anyone driving with standard cruise control should. No current system will help a driver with cerebral anal inversion syndrome in full control to avoid doing something stupid or downright fatal.
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
Look, the technology in and of itself isn't evil. It's a tool. That said, Musk is on the record as wanting to make driving illegal.
Ignore Musk. He didn't even start Tesla. He's getting out of control and making claims that can't be backed up.
Here's what is being talked about in the financial and manufacturing communities.
Musk is running Tesla like a Silicon Valley software company. From what he says and does he has no clue how to make things. Folks, outside of SV, Musk is a big talking clown. Sorry, to bash your hero, but that's the way it is. And it's not just him, Silicon Valley people are nothing but web and software people - they have no clue how to make things. Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard were Silicon Valley and the rest are just posers. Even Saint Steve Jobs.
The guys he hired who do know how to build cars, quit.
When you add up the timeline of the gigafactory and his promises for the Model S, you have to wonder, where is he going to get the batteries for all those cars he promised?
And Tesla is bleeding cash and no one will lend him money. He's got to sell more stock and dilute current shareholders to keep things going.
And the last stunt about Tesla buying Solarcity has a lot of folks wondering if Musk is going the way of DeLorean.
I'm just the guy with the news, man. So don't hate me.
He's making these promises and the numbers don't add up and folks are starting to notice.
Musk fanboys - your hero is about to crash and burn. You got Tesla stock? Sell. If you made money on it, good for you! Now, put on Steve Miller (Go on, take the money and run) and sell the fucker. It MAY go up more. Then again, what goes up, must come down and there is NO fundamental reason for Tesla to be selling above $80 per share - let alone $200.
OMG! You're one of those busybody old fucks who would live forever if everyone would just stop speeding. I bet you've got your own custom built "slow down" sign you keep next to your mailbox and regularly invite local police to radar from your driveway or leave their stupid robosign. Do something actually fucking useful with the few years of life you have left and quit being a goddamned retard.
The current system already has radar.
The radar is the primary sensor for the traffic-aware cruise control that slows the vehicle down below the set speed when there is a slower vehicle in front.
The camera is the primary sensor for watching the stripes on the road to handle the steering. The camera also watches for vehicles and reads speed limit signs.
The sonar is the primary sensor for auto-park and summon features. It's also used to detect if the lane is clear for lane changes and to swerve to avoid side-impact collisions.
Please note my use of "primary" above. The autopilot system uses a combination of all three sensor systems.
It's widely expected that the next generation of hardware will include more cameras. It's also widely expected that this new hardware will start shipping later this year on the S and X, and will be the same hardware that is on the Model 3 late next year. Any updates besides a second or third camera and an updated controller would be a welcome surprise. The ability to upgrade existing cars to the new hardware would also be a welcome surprise.
It kind of sounds to me like if you're incapacitated to the point where the autopilot might save your life, you shouldn't be driving at that point anyway. Having the autopilot will just encourage people to bet their lives on a piece of equipment they clearly don't understand.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
The current Autopilot software cannot simply stop itself at a light or a stop sign on its own -- it needs a car in front of it in order to automatically slow down or stop.
In v3.0 they'll add a check for huge trailers too, I hope?
Now it scans social media and won't let you start it if you've ever posted pictures of yourself doing stupid things while in the driver's seat.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
The theory goes something like:
a detailled enough map could indicate which intersections DO have a traffic light.
If the car doesn't see neither a green light nor a red, but map indicates there should be one, the car should be able to know that it has missed a traffic light and slow down and safely ask to hand control back to the human in time.
(It's NOT entirely possible. There are database like SCDB.info that counts all known speed- / redlight- traps. Knowing that some European Cities put a dual function speed+redlight trap at nearly all crossings, that basically amounts to have a database of traffic light in those cities).
In practice, Google Cars engineer have found at that maps would need to be excurciatingly detailled. And need to be kept up to date on a very fast schedule. (There might be construction, etc. changing the layout of some crossing an thus traffic lights position, etc.)
Which mandates to constantly rescan the streets.
Which would suggest that equipping all the fleet of cars with detector to see such change.
At which point, you realise that a car able to map out the change in traffic light... ...could instead directly see the traffic lights themselves.
Once you've solved the problem of seeing reliably enough traffic lights in order to accurately update the map, you don't need the ultra-accurate map anymore.
So no. GPS assistance *might* seem a great idea, but actually not.
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A little radar could go a long way in helping with collision avoidance.
Actually they have a long range radar pointing around the car.
And short range sonars around the car.
But they are mounted low (as in any other car) and not correctly distinguish a object that is close and high.
(Like the trailer).
Dual camera, by the simple reason of using stereoscopic correlation, can correctly pinpoint anything in 3D space, instead of relying on simple inference from quick projection or using motion cues.
(Similar to what is done by most japanese brands and some mercedes)
NOW, TESLA, COULD YOU ALSO PLEASE ADD A LIDAR TOO ???
As it is self-illuminating and infra-red, that would help tremendously in bad lighting conditions and fog.
(Also detect precise 3D shapes, when the images from the camera pair is to bad to be correlated).
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Reading the signs is not particularly complex. My BMW i3 reads the speed limit signs and duplicates them on the dashboard.
can any person tell me why my article is nor accepted yet
They learn nothing, absolutely nothing. They deserve every shitty thing they get.
try it on some odd road intersections to see how well it can read them.
https://goo.gl/maps/4ZPHdY2Yyp... (red ball and arrow to move froward)
https://goo.gl/maps/t3KKvqox3e... (same area)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... map of the same area (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Palatine+Rd,+Illinois/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x880fa68d09ccd74b:0xfca0232fc69002a9?sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj3lJXw-N3NAhWIlR4KHTsACy4Q8gEIHTAA)
https://goo.gl/maps/3smiCDrMKe...
https://goo.gl/maps/pAAP3ErXqn...
https://goo.gl/maps/i2WCocaC7D...
https://goo.gl/maps/tjStCbHVkS... (look both ways for more)
Telsa AutoPilot 2.0
-Fixed bug where the car would crash into things if the sun was too bright
I'm pretty sure they will do better than me on those particular intersections. A human driver who has never been there will have to slow down and go "WTF? Which light is for which road?". An automatic system will have these relatively rare intersections hard-coded into its database so it knows exactly which light is which.
Why don't we focus on making human drivers better? Forget that crap in schools called driver education. Let's have real driver training and make getting a license a lot tougher. Make potential drivers learn the basic skills before they're turned loose on our roads. Have a real road test and not just the "around the block" road test. Retest them every 10 years and every 5 years once they reach the age of fifty. Crack down hard on drunk driving and distracted driving by making the penalties harsh enough to get their attention.
Right now just about anybody who can breathe can get a license to drive. That's just asking for trouble. Some of you would like to see tougher gun laws, but say nothing about a person using a machine that can, and does, kill thousands per year.
The other day I read about an accident where a drunk driver killed several people. The article stated that he had more than a dozen DUI convictions! Why the hell was he still on the road?
Oh, and anybody caught texting and driving would lose their license for at least five years. I work on the side of the road and your texting has made my job extremely dangerous. I'd like to live to retirement, please.
I'd like to see fewer cars with better drivers on the road. All of you say you'd like to see more people using mass transit. Well, there you go.
Why do you want a car that drives itself anyway? Is your time so valuable that you can't be bothered with actually driving? Then you're the kind of person who shouldn't be driving anyway. Pay attention and drive. It ain't rocket surgery.
So how much do you want to per load in to the DB and what happens after 1-3 years when they say no more updates buy a new car?
Are U.S. regulators really actively investigating 25,000 Tesla Model S cars? Are they making appointments with the owners and checking under the hood or something?
It's irresponsible to deploy a half-assed computer vision / self-driving system and only add features when people die.
What happens when "they" send ninjas to your house in the night to dress up your dog in ballerina outfits and re-upholster all your furniture with polka-dot patterns?
You know, as long as we're invoking boogeymen with no factual substantiation...
Except with the direction consumer goods have been going lately and the decline of actual ownership (look at cell phones), there's a very clear precedent for this sort of thing happening. Additionally, what happens when tesla pulls a microsoft and refuses updates to your vehicle in order to forcibly make you buy the next model? Your unupdated vehicle would now be a risk to other cars on the road, and your state could then compel you to retire the car via refusing to renew the registration.
But is the state willing to go court over the issue if tesla try's some DMCA BS to stop 3rd party shops from loading updates? and what about anti trust issues with that move?
What do you mean "additionally"? You literally just restated the same retarded question I was mocking. What indication have you ever seen from Tesla that they would see a net benefit from doing this - other than "a completely different company in a completely different industry did it with a completely different kind of product where no safety issues stem from updates or the lack thereof"?
Tesla would be insane to even consider this. They'd lose more money defending lawsuits (even if they won them) than they'd get in "forced upgrade" sales, and that's not even accounting for the massive blow they'd take to their brand loyalty (which for car companies is incredibly important). I'm not even arguing that Tesla would be too "moral" to do this; it's simply fucking stupid. It's a comic book plot, not a marketing strategy.
why the hell would you market it as autipilot and release a beta original?
enhanced cruise control.
thats what it is.
You could do your scouting at night to determine where traffic lights are. Probably would make the problem much easier.
Counter example 1:
~15 years ago, when I was in the US in Florida, they used to shut down traffic lights at night when the streets were empty anyway (to save power ? to avoid people waiting needlessly at a red light on an empty crossing ?)
In the rare occurence when two car meet, you're supposed to following the usual yielding rules.
There's simply no traffic light to see at night.
Counter example 2:
Here around (Switzerland) most traffic light are adaptive. (change color only when there's someone waiting).
During night time, when there isn't much traffic, you'll only ever see green light, as traffic light adapts to the lone car travelling around so you don't need to wait needlessly on a red light in front of an empty crossing.
You'll only get a red light in the rare occurence when there's another car coming and the system decides you'll be the one waiting (or the other car will get the red light if the system decides otherwise).
By night time, you'll only ever pick green color, which might a little bit confuse the system depending on how it works.
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If you use perfectly up to date maps, that means you need some data transmission to get updates to the maps.
If you use cellular data to get the updates, you're in to a recieve a surprise on your phone bill if the car decides to pick a neighouring antena which is considered as roaming.
(Can happen a lot in a region like Europe, where there are a lot of small different countries.
You can often be close to the border, and the strongest signal picked by the car's computer might be on ther other side of the border and incure roaming fee to downlaod the update.
Obviously won't happen in a big city in the middle of the country like Paris in France, but is a very frequent occurence in a big city like Geneva which is Swiss, but almost entirely surrounded by France)
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