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iPhone 7 To Start at 32GB Storage, Says WSJ (time.com)
An anonymous reader writes: It appears Apple has finally decided to do something about the not-so-enough 16GB storage on its base iPhone model. According to a report on WSJ, the Cupertino-based company's next smartphone -- expected to be named iPhone 7 will have 32GB internal storage on the base model.For years, Apple has offered a 16GB iPhone version for those who were on a budget or just didn't necessarily need too much storage. But as we moved forward -- the iPhone got better cameras and improved video recording capability and apps became more sophisticated and ate more storage -- we really reached a point where 16GB wasn't enough for most people. In many cases, people were unable to update their iPhone to the latest version of iOS because there wasn't enough storage left on the device. It's a welcome move, and something millions of people will appreciate.
32 MB should be a rock bottom minimum in this day and age.
And let the consumer decide how much memory they want/need? Ohh, wait, that's not the Apple way. Silly me.
They used to offer 4GB and 8GB models too, the 16GB was actually the highend model a few years back.
Storage capacities increase, not really news...
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No it's not. It's why they have over 90% of the profits in mobile, with such a small market share.
Now, which way is more stupid - large market share, little profit, or the reverse. I'd say Apple has it figured out, the rest not so much.
I assume they need to remove the headphone socket to make way for all those RAMs.
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So, it will have 32GB of storage. Every generation has increased storage capabilities. The only reason this is important for iPhone users is the phone is stuck with the amount it had when purchased. What would be exciting news is if the new iPhone let the user add there own storage. User replaceable battery would be newsworthy, too.
I can guarantee their wallets won't appreciate it. Apple has made price gouging into an art form.
A quick search reveals that 16 GB flash is like 2$ on Alibaba, and that's as an USB stick. This is like a 1$ manufacturing cost for Apple. Big Deal!
It's inspiring to see that Apple can still Think Different, and radically reinvent its products generation over generation. Who could have predicted such a groundbreaking development?
You know what I'd like even more?
A removable memory card slot. Wait, it's Apple, so if I say that we'd end up with iMemoryStick. I mean a microSD card slot.
If Apple is going to pretend that their phones double as cameras and throw in things like 4K video support, they should have removable media support. No photographer is going to use a camera without removable media. (Or field-replaceable batteries, but that's a different issue.)
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Well, never mind that a lot of big companies use the things as on-call, etc, devices and those don't need a lot of storage for personal snapshots and movies. The really wierd part is the bit about "millions of people will appreciate". Can't they have just bought their current model with more memory? The fact that they didn't says the exact opposite; "millions of people won't get a new one because the lower memory model was the one in their budget" ?
...if they put the extra 16GB of RAM into the spot where the headphone jack used to be...
Now I have twice the MP3s I can't hear! w00t!
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Someone at Apple must have realized that it wouldn't look good when competitors were to have more RAM than iPhone would have in storage Flash. (OnePlus 3 having 6G, likely to start a race to the top)
So Yes, it was time to raise the minimum amount of storage.
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Will they do the convenient size model skip that they usually do? I.e. they skip 64 Gb this time around so if you have a 64Gb phone you will have to go to 128 Gb or delete all kinds of stuff till you get down to 32Gb? They have done this like 4 times.
Apple owns the chump market. Duh.
It also caps their market share.
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I was pissed that the only options for the iPhone SE was 16 and 64. It struck me as a cheap cash grab.
Wasn't pissed enough to not get one, mind you. But it was still annoying. Of course, it wouldn't be an issue if current apps weren't so breathtakingly bloated.
I mean, Facebook alone, with it's separate client and messenger apps, can easily hit a *gigabyte* all on their own. I can't even fathom how breathtakingly badly you have to code something to end up needing that much space.
So I am making due by configuring itunes to autoconvert all my music down to 128-bit AAC from the ALAC (Apple's version of FLAC, because they're a special snowflake). The quality is still perfectly good enough for when I'm walking about, and the compression bluetooth uses negates the benefits of a higher quality source file anyway.
That's fine from Apple's perspective. I'm not so sure it's a net positive for consumers, however...
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Having used android devices with SD Card slots, I will never again consider an SD card slot to be a worthwhile feature. Not being able to offload applications was a big one. Having to play games like "Where the f__k is my data?" was another.
The hoops you had to go through to work with the things was just awe inspiring, and even then they didn't work reliably. I'd rather pay the premium and get more internal storage to begin with. At least then I know what to expect.
I understand that the most recent versions of android deal with external storage in a much more sane way, but that doesn't mean much when said versions of android have 10% penetration despite having been out for over a year.
All I remember running into is plugging in to charge and my SD storage was gone. Change USB plug in settings and never had a problem.
the latest anandtech review says apple's way is still the fastest for performance. micro sd is ok for streaming but sucks for putting apps on the it
The non-removable battery, the sturdiness of a paper card, the walled garden were Apple instead of me decides what I may run, and of course what I MUST run and can't get rid of, on the phone, a repair policy where only "licensed" shops may open the holy grail (where "licensed" means that they threw money at Apple, not that they'd know jack shit about the device)...
Need I ponder this for a few minutes or is that enough to talk about? It's Apple after all, you really think we run out of things to complain about if we bought it and to ridicule those over who did if we didn't?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
It's not only Apple. My Nexus from Google doesn't have a memory slot either. Why!?
Most of those just sound like bad implementation on the fault of Android. I have a Windows phone and I have no problem putting apps on the SD card. Android used to have this feature and for some stupid reason they removed it. I don't really have a problem finding my data, just like I don't have a problem finding data on my desktop PC or Laptop which have much more complicated needs for managing my files.
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You may be joking, but bluntly, I prefer hiring gay people. For the obvious reasons: No kids, none to be expected (at the very least with a WAY lower probability) plus it makes your company look appealing to the hipster crowd if you have a pro-(whatevergender) outlook. Plus, for whatever reason, I have no idea why, the ones I know who're gay are also the ones who are incredibly good at their job.
Yes, I want my coworkers FABULOUS!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Apple owns the chump market. Duh.
It also caps their market share.
I'm pretty sure that the "chump market" is way bigger than the 15% market share that Apple currently has.
How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
Why woulkd you never again consider an SD card when you already acknowledged that Android deals with the issue in a much saner way today (http://source.android.com/devices/storage/adoptable.html)? That's like saying you'll never drive a car again because people died 65 years ago before the invention of the seatbelts.
Sounds like an OS problem, not hardware.
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It's not only Apple. My Nexus from Google doesn't have a memory slot either. Why!?
You got sent the one without the slot because you are on the "don't slot list". You probably dropped you phone in the toilet while in a drunken stupor at some point in the past (that's how most people end up on the "don't slot list").
"became more sophisticated and ate more storage"
I think you meant to say that Apps are more poorly written today, and thus take more storage.
Not being able to offload applications was a big one
Errr there's a lovely button next to every application listed call "Move to SD card". The only applications you couldn't do that were the core system image applications.
But what interests me more than you complaining about an issue which isn't an issue is the thought that this was an all or nothing approach. Why not just get both. Refuse to load your silly overside applications on your SD card and use it to store video, images, sync with your cloud of choice etc.
I'm never again buying a phone without an SD card slot. Regardless of how big it's onboard storage is.
Android used to have this feature and for some stupid reason they removed it
And yet it still exists on every phone I've used recently including my own running Lollipop and my partner's running Marshmallow.
Sounds like a user problem. Move to SD card is a feature in Android. Maybe sounds like a crap phone from a crap vendor problem.
On the other hand, there might be an element of vanity at work skewing those numbers too. If you're intelligent enough to be super self conscious about your image and subtleties about the way people perceive you, you might be more apt to purchase an Apple device. Probably the same reason pretty people statistically tend to be more intelligent. It correlates mainly to bearing and hygiene and grooming...
Ditto x10. This is the exact problem I have with my previous SD-enabled Android phone. The SD memory is treated as a secondary storage with bunch of limitations. What I find unhelpful is the way Android manages files - they're just everywhere. Not sure where to look for what, how the storage gets eaten up by who....etc.
How does it matter what is the lowest storage? What should matter is highest storage because that is the real limitation. iPhone already offers 128 GB which is more than most latest Android phones and definitely more than any cell phone which was available at the time of iPhone 6 was released. No one is forcing anyone to buy 16 GB but the fact that people buy tells that there are lots of people for whom it is not worth extra money for extra storage.
Android and Windows have 32 GB because many of them come with bloats. I have used Android for 3 years and iPhone for 4 years. On Android (Google Nexus) if I leave my gps app open, my battery used to drain in few hours. I had to make sure to kill all unused app all the time to get 1 day of battery life on brand new phone. With iPhone, I get two day battery life running equivalent apps without worrying about shutting down each app every time.
I don't about SD card experience since my Nexus 5 didn't support it but my Windows phone (yes, I have used that too for 18 months), the SD card was flaky. Sometimes it will use it and other time it will just give error that I am out of memory even when the SD card was almost empty.
Having had contacts on removal cards wear out while in a mobile device and fail (SIM cards included), I'd actually prefer something with fewer mechanical links which is soldered on. More drop safe.
On the other hand, you can't replace the soldered mem cards by yourself. Which is worse, having removable memory that can wear out (but you can back it up), or having non-removable memory card go bad?
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Dude. Apple made a conscious decision not to do removable storage because it made the device bigger, and they were aiming for as thin as possible. Don't like that? By all means, buy an Android device. Not that big of a deal.
This is not that surprising, the very popular iPhone 5 SE (which came after the iPhone 6s) comes with two memory configs: 16 GB or 64 GB storage, so starting the iPhone 7 with 32 GB seems reasonable.
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What about those of us that aren't working as interior decorators?
In my experience, gay women are good techs/programmers, gay men...mostly useless. Decent enough admins though, neat freaks.
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I'm pretty sure that the "chump market" is way bigger than the 15% market share that Apple currently has.
True, they only have the chump with money market.
That's a large and growing market.
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Actually it's been mostly gay men in my experience that make incredibly good mathematicians. Turing being one of them.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Trust me, it didn't ask first. I would be reading a kindle book on my phone, which would vanish as soon as I plugged it in. Took a bit to figure out why my book was suddenly unavailable as I didn't realize the books were stored on the SD car (didn't even think about having an SD card as it came with the phone). It might have asked me afterwards but the first thing was my book vanished.
Of course my memory wasn't even great at a young age ;p
You're right in many ways the SD card slot seems to be an afterthought. I suspect this is because a lack of competition, and that those that buy a phone to get it, are just happy they can, even if the functionality isn't all that great. I've been buying phones with an SD slot back to a Nokia with a 2GB card. At the time it was for pictures, and it worked just fine. I briefly went to an Apple 3GS, and while a good phone, the closed market, and iTunes being a big POS drove me away. I had a Samsung G3 which I put a 64GB card into, and since moved to a LG G4 with the same 64GB card (BTW what is with the "G" in phones, move on companies!)...
Anyway I did have some problems with the 64GB card on the Samsung. Sure it was a bit annoying that most applications do not support the SD card, however other than a few crazy outliers like HearthStone taking up like 3GB of storage, it is really a moot point as most are small, and how many applications do you really need? Cleaning up crap I don't use every now and again solved application related issues. No what I used my memory (and likely what most people do), is for media storage (as that is what it is for), so pictures, movies, and music. Now to the main issue, which is of performance. Basically the Samsung 3G just didn't have the performance horsepower to handle a file system of that size. I loaded about 40GB of music on mine (i.e. a lot of little files), and for the little phone to parse that amount of data, or perform any actions on it were... frustrating. Also the transfer using USB didn't work so fast either and is flaky. Once you got stuff on there, it was more less fine to use, but making changes was a major hassle and after I had it loaded it remained pretty static. Oh one other thing that was really dumb, was that the Samsung would cache, or save an amount of storage on it's internal storage to handle music, which on 40GB amounted to almost 2GB on the internal as well which kinda sucked.
Fast forward to my new LG G4, and there is a big difference. The processing power has caught up to the storage, and it seems to handle the file system much better. However, the USB transfer mechanism is still flaky and frustrating as hell. Also the Camera doesn't like to natively save photos to the card either which is kind of silly. You can however just archive them there if you like, but really photos aren't so big or numerous for me to be a major issue. I'm still trying to figure out if I can get the USB transfer process to work better where the connection isn't lost, or hangs, or whatever, and I've only tried it really once so far so perhaps I can figure out a way to make it work better.
You don't look that old.
Face facts, you don't know who did the actual work at bletchley park. All we have is the 'story', which is almost always bullshit or at very least a comic book version of history.
I can list off dozens of mathematicians that contributed more. But they don't fit the narrative so we never hear of them.
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You're right. It was a crap vendor. It was Samsung.
Anecdotic as fuck, I know, but when I ponder the people I know and the quality of their work, gays do deliver better stuff on average. Again, just my personal experience. Still funny.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
My anecdotal evidence is that I've never had an iPod, iPhone, or iPad memory go bad. It's easier for removable memory to get damaged or lost. Both have advantages.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Removable batteries are a tradeoff, and not everyone wants one. My iDevices are and have been much sturdier than paper cards, and indeed keeping cards in my pocket next to my iPhone seems to help protect them. I really haven't found anything I want to run on a phone that's not in the App Store, and I haven't yet had anyone from Apple show up, hold me at gunpoint, and force me to run all of the Apple-supplied software, which doesn't take up that much of my storage anyway. There's plenty of Apple Stores around where I live, and they've always been fairly fast, courteous, and reasonable on the rare occasions when I've needed repair.
When I've called Apple's support lines, I've talked to native English speakers who know what they're talking about and try to be helpful. This doesn't seem to be universally true in the field.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
What do you mean by "the actual work at Bletchley Park"? I'm not suggesting you get your information from the movie "The Imitation Game" (which gets the imitation game itself way wrong), but it's been long enough for some serious history to have been done, and that's less likely to be "bullshit" than what someone who calls the serious history "bullshit" says.
Turing did a lot of good work, including a method of mathematically representing computation that we use extensively today.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
I'm highly intelligent, and I don't particularly care about my image. If you like me the way I am, fine. If not, you can go away. As an introvert, I have all the good friends I really need (although I don't mind picking up more). I suspect you'll find this is true for lots of highly intelligent people on the autism spectrum.
I don't need to go cheap on a purchase of less than a thousand dollars I make about every three years, and so I get what I want. I have an iPhone, a cheap Android tablet, a Windows laptop, and an Ubuntu desktop, and all of these are very good at what I want them for.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Galaxy S4, and S6 owner here. Girlfriend is the S5 and S7 owner. All 4 of our phones have always had the ability to move apps to SD card and we do that frequently with most of our installed games.
Try troll harder.
Blah blah blah. Why is it when someone gives people like you information you don't wanna hear, they're immediately "Trolls"?
Have you actually paid attention to what happens when you migrate apps to SD card? They don't get completely migrated. The amount that is moved depends on the app, and that amount can very greatly. Sometimes it's so little that it's not even worth trying. This is a fact. Period. Reality Distortion Fields arn't limited to Apple devotees, apparently.
Maybe Android has done a better job of it in it's most recent incarnations, but I stopped caring at approximately v5 when Google changed a whole bunch of stuff around but still hadn't done jack to deal with Android's overwhelmingly greatest faults, namely non-existent privacy, and power management so poor that the user had to manually babysit their device in excruciating detail just to get a days worth out of it.
But I'll take a guess and assume your android reality distortion field means you refuse to acknowledge those problems exist either.
Needed more space for GearVR stuff. Popped out 128GB card, dropped in 200GB card. $60. Less than a minute and... Done. Always amazed otherwise reasonable people tolerate Apple'$ extortion.
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Do you happen to work for a computer magazine or are you known for making widely popular reviews of hardware? A lot of Apple users want to know!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
No. I'm claiming that removable batteries are not an unalloyed good, that the iPhones and iPods and iPads I've seen are more than adequately sturdy, that the App Store is adequate as is for quite a few people, and that you don't need to run the Apple-supplied stuff after all. I've had excellent customer service from Apple, considerably better than average. In other words, there are very good reasons to buy an iPhone or iPad. There are very good reasons to buy an Android phone or tablet also, of course, and in fact my tablet runs Android.
In other words, I'm trying to be reasonable, as objective as I can be, and to relate my personal experience. If that suggests to you that I'm a shill, you might want to try to expand your thinking. I recommend a practice of assuming for the sake of conjecture that people know what they're doing, and figuring things out from that. It's worked well for me.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Blah blah blah. Why is it when someone gives people like you information you don't wanna hear, they're immediately "Trolls"?
Actually it had nothing to do with what I did or didn't want to hear. It was about posting blatently false information in a trollish tone of voice that made it a troll post. Nothing more nothing less.
So what you're complaining about is that system isn't 100% perfect in moving all user data but none the less achieves the intent of moving the majority of it and thus freeing up large amounts of usable system space. Good to hear you're on board.
Now as for privacy, what leaky apps are you installing? and what are you doing babysitting your device to get a day's battery life out? You're doing it wrong. My girlfriend is doing it right, so what makes that luddite so much better at it than you?
Note this is a troll post, the key was in the last sentence, just so you can tell the difference.