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DOJ Will Not File Charges Against Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (politico.com)
An anonymous reader writes: After FBI Director James Comey recommended not to indict Hillary Clinton for her email misconduct yesterday, U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch said on Wednesday that the Justice Department has decided not to pursue charges against Hillary Clinton or her aids and that the department will close the investigation into her use of a private email server during her tenure as secretary of state. "Late this afternoon, I met with FBI Director James Comey and career prosecutors and agents who conducted the investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton's use of a personal email system during her time as Secretary of State," Lynch said in a statement on Wednesday. "I received and accepted their unanimous recommendation that the thorough, year-long investigation be closed and that no charges be brought against any individuals within the scope of the investigation."
Voting for Hillary because she's "not guilty" is like hiring Casey Anthony to babysit your kid.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Snowden blows the whistle on illegal government spying, is forced to flee the country. Clinton violates laws and exposes classified information and will be the next President. There is no justice in America.
Sucker.
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
We of course knew this was coming when the FBI didn't recommend indictment, given that Lynch said she'd go along with whatever the FBI decided.
But I expect the real reason is simple: they don't feel they're guaranteed a conviction. If you listen to Comey's reasoning, he was quite clear that there was no precedent for such a case - meaning that they don't want to set a precedent until they have iron tight evidence where they can be sure they know how the case will go.
Likewise, "no reasonable prosecutor" would want to be the prosecutor who indicted potentially the first woman president and then lost the case. If the case wasn't a 100%, sure-fire victory, no one would be willing to prosecute it. Which is kind of reasonable: who wants to torpedo their career by killing Hillary's presidential chances only to lose at trial?
But it does lay clear that there are two classes in the US: the ruling class, who won't be charged for clear violations because they might be able to get off, and the rest of us. Who will be charged for anything and everything they can think of.
You are in a maze of twisty little relative jumps, all alike.
"I received and accepted their unanimous recommendation that the thorough, year-long investigation be closed and that no charges be brought against any individuals within the scope of the investigation."
We know about her crime because Guccifer was involved in exposing it. Will they retract the charges against him? Or the only chargeable crime in America is to expose what the law says is a crime?
He asks the convention to vote that it is unwilling to select a person who has been shown to be 'careless about protecting government secrets' etc etc. The delegates would be free to pass such a motion, despite being bound to vote for Hilary when the actual roll call occurs. If a large number of her delegates support the critical motion, her legitimacy is gone.
Here's hoping.
So who copied classified into, verbatim, from JWICS to their computer or phone? Seems the FBI or DOJ don't give a shit.
This isn't facebook where you can post any soft of shit and people will believe it without question. People on slashdot will check sources; there are even some heretics who RTFA.
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I wonder if they'll cancel Petraeus's sentence now. He was forced to end his career for much less. 2 years probation, $100K fine, security clearance revoked. Apparently it's no big deal, not even worth investigating.
Lack of legitimacy hasn't hampered her at all.
The same goes for
lack of morality
lack of patriotism
lack of decency
lack of conscience
Really at this point we need 7 dwarfs and a prince to rid us of her.
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Time to reveal the Donald's secret scam:
Step 1: Get the so-called GOP nomination. Easy to fool some of the people all of the time.
Step 2: Pick a VP who loves Ford's pardon of Nixon.
Step 3: Win the election. As Con Man Donald says, "You can fool most of the people on some of the election days."
Step 4: Be himself. AKA Phuck up massively. Start a war, bankrupt the country, whatever.
Step 5: Get impeached, resign, get pardoned. (Step 2 was important.)
Step 6: PROFIT
And you thought Trump was stupid, didn't you? By the way, don't blame me. I'm sure I saw it on Twitter. That's where I get all my important news.
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There needs to be protests in the streets about Hillary Clinton not being charged for violating federal law.
This is where it starts, the selective application of the law to those in power vs those that are ruled. Make a stand now before all is lost.
That "extremely careless" is more or less the definition of gross negligence.
there are two classes in the US: the ruling class, who won't be charged for clear violations because they might be able to get off, and the rest of us.
While I agree with you in principal, the rush to judgment about this issue leaves behind a simple fact. There are lots of crimes with no punishments. This is one of them.
The one thing that annoys me the most is how they will hang this on the evil Clinton/Democrats. A sufficiently senior Republican get the same benefits. But, that's not going to be the conversation. We're stuck pointing fingers and name calling.
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Nixon was far more honest than Clinton.
Carter is far smarter than Trump.
Clinton married well. Everything else she has done fell from that.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
If you think Clinton should be charged, then at least sign the petittion:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/charge-hillary-rodham-clinton-pursuant-18-usc-641-793-794-798-952-and-1924
It will likely only result in a mealy-mouthed platitude, but at least it is one way to communicate our disapproval.
There are lots of crimes with no punishments. This is one of them.
This needs to be noted VERY well in this discussion.
Typically, just mishandling classified information (without intentionally handing it off to others) is handled with an administrative slap on the wrist, and maybe losing clearance. There are rarely any criminal proceedings, because the higher-ups never want a subordinate to fear revealing a data spill. Instead, self-policing and self-reporting are praised, and mistakes are often just cleaned up and forgotten.
You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
He said Clinton and her staff sent 110 emails in 52 chains containing information that was classified at the time. Eight of those emails carried top secret information, eight contained classified information and 36 had secret info.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/no-charges-clinton-emails-fbi-director-article-1.2699441
You assumed the delegates have moral fiber.
People of good character can't this far in the political process.
ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI!?
The director stated in his news conference that Clinton was "extremely careless" with classified information on at least 110 occasions. It's federal crime to be "grossly negligent" in handling classified information. Essentially, he announced "she's guilty on 110 counts, but we won't prosecute".
> but we haven't been told if it's just classified, secret, top secret, or higher...
The FBI director announced that several emails contained documents which were already marked "top secret". Other emails included information classified "special access", which is higher than top secret.
Hillary is one of the smartest people in the room / world.
Look at all the scandals she has been involved with and escaped rather easily because of how she structured it. Her entire public life has been a double dutch Irish sandwich or whatever it was called (Apple's tax avoidance schemes ) that has legally violated the law for her own gain.
FBI Director Comey said that there was no evidence of any guilty intent, so "no reasonable prosecutor" would file charges. So why were charges filed against Kristian Saucier, who unwisely took photos of a classified area on a nuclear submarine? No intent was proven or needed to file charges against him; he had photos of classified stuff on his phone, charges filed.
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/07/06/saucier-attorney-on-hillary-non-indictment-clearly-a-double-standard/
I am disturbed that there is clearly one standard for ordinary people, and another standard for Hillary Clinton. I sincerely hope that Mr. Saucier appeals his verdict on the grounds that the FBI Director said "no reasonable prosecutor" should have filed the charges, and he clearly didn't get equal protection under the law as Hillary Clinton got.
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Maybe you should consider that to people outside your little bubble, your particular brand of insulting comments about those who disagree with you may not be particularly insightful.
Calling everyone who moderates you down a "sock puppet" account is neither a rational nor intelligent comment.
How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
Stop getting so worked up over each individual case of injustice and start getting worked up to change the root cause of it all.
On the one hand, what Hillary Clinton did was wrong and she should face some punishment for it.
On the other hand, watching the die-hart Republicans, Trump supporters and other people who hate Hillary flip their shit over the lack of charges is the best entertainment I've had all year.
Clinton lied about not having classified information on her server. She lied about only deleting personal E-mails, and she destroyed evidence.
He was very, very careful in his phrasing (and then large on hyperbole) with what he stated. He claimed two emails carried 'confidential markings' (which was only sorta true) and then switched gears on confidential emails (which is, in fact different). There are maybe 30-40 emails that were sent that had confidential or higher (most were just confidential). So about .006% error rate on humans using email and sent something through email they shouldn't have.
One of the confidential emails... was to a lawyer and "confidential" in the sense that lawyer-client privileges applied. There were a couple of (C) markings in a few emails, but the top actually didn't have the markings for Confidential/Secret or whatnot. An incredibly huge percentage of emails were marked confidential expo-facto (and by other agencies that tend to try and classify _everything_, including public knowledge of the weather at times).
James Comey just did a public hatchet job of "selling" that Hillary should have been indicted, then basically admitted he didn't have a case that any competent prosecutor would attempt to take before a judge. Congrats, partisan hack, you pulled the wool over most of the viewers and readers.
No! It's a *SIG*. Keep the Special Interest Groups away! (Con joke!)
"The investigation did not reveal evidence that Nishimura intended to distribute classified information to unauthorized personnel." https://www.fbi.gov/sacramento/press-releases/2015/folsom-naval-reservist-is-sentenced-after-pleading-guilty-to-unauthorized-removal-and-retention-of-classified-materials
"Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case," Comey said.
If this was said by their local version of FBI anywhere in Russia, China, Brasil, etc., everyone would be crying foul how that country is corrupt and how FSB, PSB, "FBI", etc. is clearly intimidating prosecutors not to bring any cases against an oligarch, even though there is evidence they violated the law (gross negligence). And how "important figures" in those countries are above the law. I'm so glad USA is not one of "those countries"!
Hillary vs Trump. The rest of the world is shaking its head at the stupidity of the Americans for letting things get to this point.
18 U.S. Code 793 (f)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...
She flatly violated a statute that only requires gross negligence (aka, "extreme carelessness"), but Comey dodged and said he wouldn't recommend prosecution because he could not prove intent - even though intent is not required by the statute.
Now, you can argue 18 U.S. Code 793 (a), which requires intent, could not be prosecuted, but 18 U.S. Code 793 (f) clearly was violated.
Hillary is a criminal who the FBI declined to recommend prosecution for.
this is how prosecution works. You don't bring forth a case you know you're gonna lose. I'm not huge fan of Hilary. I've got buddies that live and breath because the Affordable Care Act expanded Medicaid enough for them to get their Meds. She's pretty much guaranteed to leave it alone so she gets my vote. But whatever side your on it'd be silly to try and prosecute her.
All that said to be completely fair think about _why_ a prosecutor isn't confident with getting a conviction: because a jury wouldn't convict her. This is a criminal matter, so that's how these things work. This isn't the ruling class per-se. This is how our jury system works. It sometimes ignores law in favor of feelings. If you want to see an example of America's two tiered justice system ask any dirt poor man in jail for pot possession why he didn't get diverted to drug treatment like a pop star or even an attorney's son.
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This is a lesson in controlled opposition and whitewashing; by having the FBI refuse to recommend an indictment brushes aside the damning evidence that has already surfaced into public knowledge and allows propaganda groups like Correct The Record and DNC pundits to chalk up the whole exercise as merely just another attack by the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.
We can't be surprised, because even nine supreme court justices at one time were involved in obstructing justice and suppressing evidence in order to benefit the Clintons, such as the original polaroids taken at Vince Foster's crime scene. The entire mass of DNC elites wants nothing more than to continue on with their coronation.
We know the mafia has 'made men', and just like the mafia our government has their chosen ones. This is why HRC was able to perjure herself, was allowed to attempt destruction of evidence, and obstruct Judicial Watch's lawful FOIA requests at every turn. This is why all of Brian Pagliano's emails were 'lost' by the State Department and he was able to plead the 5th over a hundred times. This is why Bill Clinton was able to meet directly with the attorney general in private the week before this announcement came out. We'll never know the nature of the leaked TS and SAP level confidential information and what consequences that info may have had, such as revealing the security status of certain embassies.
I'll save my seditious speech for when I'm AC.
Petraeus gave his g/f 8 binders of classified information and told here they were classified. Hard to argue lack of intent after that.
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I'm of two minds: on the one hand, HRC clearly violated Federal Law. Nevermind that the law is stupid (overspecific) and capriciously enforced (how tough is it to write a flagging filter for classification strings [NOFORINT] and non.gov addr?)
On the other, HRC could easily have been disgusted by the electronic tools imposed upon her, and worked around. If State's email servers are anything like the corp.servers I've seen, who could blame her for wanting more reliable and secure? Or do whe have a .gov netadmin who can say their servers are faultless? The geek in me says "BRAVO"!
Otherwise, the notion of secure email without e2e tools like PGP is a delusion. Sure, officials have to turn over offical papers, but afterwards -- they never had to cc'in some central office.
An unsecure e-mail server makes Hillary worse than Nixon? Do you guys actually believe this shit, or are you just mindlessly repeating what you see in Youtube comments?
Hillary isn't a great candidate, but this issue isn't on the radar for me. The FBI itself has gotten hacked, so had the CIA. The US military has gotten hacked. The FBI buys zero day warez to hack one of the largest US companies. The IRS recently stopped using 5 digit pins because they were getting hacked. I'm sure every large US company and government organization has fallen victim. It's like extreme Republicans arbitrarily took something that happens all the time and started yelling that it's a felony offense that disqualifies Hillary from being President.
In normal life, this wouldn't disqualify her from being head of the IT department.
Prisons are full of people who didn't "intend" to violate the law.
If you find yourself declaring that the lack of evidence of wrongdoing is, in fact, evidence of wrongdoing, it's time to take a break and realize that you've become trapped in a self-referential delusion loop.
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You do know what a lawyer is, don't you? Hillary is a good lawyer and several other oxymorons. Okay, so "skilled lawyer" is probably a "better" way to say it.
Actually, she, like everyone else, has a bunch of personal identities. One of the things I like least about Hillary is that "lawyer" or "corporate lawyer" might be her top personal identity. Obviously it isn't "politician", though "politician" is probably in her top ten (and I definitely think it's Bill's #1). I doubt that "philosopher" is on her top 10 list, but "feminist" is probably in there somewhere (and I don't regard it as a terrible thing, though it isn't so high in my own priorities). She's an unusually complicated person, and it's hard to figure her out. For example, I think that "grandmother" might be a higher ranked personal identity for her than "mother" (whereas I think that "father" is definitely one of President Obama's top 10).
Just for reference I do think that "philosopher" is in Bernie's top 10, but I can't figure out if it's above or below "politician". Maybe "wise man" is his #1, but there's zero chance America would elect one of those to the presidency, even in the backlash from a fiasco like Dubya or the even worse mess that Trump might leave behind.
The Donald? His #1 has to be "con man" or "salesman". Or maybe he switches back and forth depending on the weather. Actually, I think it possible that "authoritarian" might be his secret #1.
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Let me first say that I do regard Sanders as the best candidate of the entire crowd, even including the entire clown car that started on the so-called Republican side. I even donated my poll tax to him, but in retrospect I am saddened to conclude that no matter how broken the system is, it is still incapable of electing a candidate who has any prominent philosophic streak. (No, Reagan had senility, NOT a philosophy.)
However, as regards Hillary's popularity, how much of it do you think that she actually earned? Seems quite obvious to me that she has been aggressively targeted for decades for primarily partisan political reasons, and even that much of the hateful rhetoric is displaced from other targets. Mostly stuff that would have been targeted at her husband if Bill hadn't whupped all their arses in the unfair fight. (However, I still haven't made up my mind if he was a good or bad president. Actually much easier to see the obviously bad ones such as Dubya.)
All of this is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer. The problem is that there is only one "most casual observer", and it usually isn't me.
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The Department of Injustice wanted 50 years for Aaron Swartz. All he did was download some articles. Nothing classified or secret.
If I was asked to vote between a crook and a dangerous demagogue, I vote the crook.
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You are lying again, but I know you're just a Hillary hater or misogynist, so that's the probably the sincere best that you can come up with. Pitiful.
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Those quotes don't fit the timeline.
Only difference is: Tricky Dick has been vilified by the pop-media for decades. Liberal media is still swooning over Hillary.