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Jill Stein Pledges To Pardon Snowden and Appoint Him To Her Cabinet (zerohedge.com)
Iamthecheese writes: Trump hates him. Clinton misrepresented him. Most mainstream media outlets call him a traitor and worse. But if you vote Stein, Snowden will be in the presidential Cabinet. "The presumptive Green Party presidential nominee Dr. Jill Stein promises to grant NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden -- who many describe as a true American hero -- not just a full pardon, but a promotion to the upper echelons of government should she win the White House," reports Zero Hedge. "[Snowden] has done an incredible service to our country at great cost to himself for having to live away from his family, his friends, his job, his network, to basically live as an expatriate," Stein asserted during a town hall live-streamed to supporters on her Facebook page, US Uncut reported. "I would say not only bring Snowden back, but bring him into my administration as a member of the Cabinet," she continued, "because we need people who are part of our national security administration who are really, very patriotic. If we're really going to protect our American security, we also have to protect our Constitutional rights, and that includes our right to privacy." Her pardons would also extend to CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou and Chelsea Manning. Kiriakou first revealed proof of waterboarding and various other torture tactics employed by the government, while Manning leaked the Afghan War Diary and Iraq War Logs, which included footage of U.S. helicopter airmen deliberately gunning down journalists, to Wikileaks. Reddit co-founder and MIT student, Aaron Swartz, who leaked academic research to the public, would also receive a pardon under her presidency. "[Swartz] was a proponent of free and liberated internet and for sharing our resources on that internet, who was basically hounded into suicide by a very oppressive Department of Justice. So, he -- in my mind -- is another one of these heroes that we need to remember and be very thankful for."
Don't we have enough apparatchiks in high positions already?
EVERYBODY hates Jill Stein...
Jill Stein Pledges To Pardon Snowden
Yeah, I can see how that might actually be a worthy thing to od.
and Appoint Him To Her Cabinet
Ah, she ruined it. She's obviously just whoring for votes.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
If Stein pledges to pardon Hillary for the e-mail thingy, then I'll vote for her! Oh wait...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
I don't dispute that Snowden did a public service in the end. However, he also broke the law and for that there should be consequences. I worked in the US government for a long time and 99.99% of the people working there take their obligations under the law very seriously. As with any large organization, there are bad apples. I'm sorry to say, but Snowden made himself part of the problem instead of part of the solution.
He could have reported the problem to his corporate managers, to his government managers (as a contractor he had to be working for a government manager somewhere along the way), to the inspector general at the site where he was working or directly to the NSA inspector general, or to his congress person. In my mind, given the gravity of the situation I would have gone to the congress person. Many members of congress and members of their staff, particularly professional staffers, have high level security clearance. They certainly could have investigated, exercised oversight, and put a stop to anything untoward.
Believe it or not, the process for intelligence oversight mostly works really well. Sometimes, like any process, it fails and those seem to be primary focus of public attention. I worked in places where we received orders to stop certain activities because they had been reported as questionable, investigated, and found to be unacceptable by the authorities responsible for oversight.
What Snowden did was decide that none of that mattered and that, like a little kid who wants his way and wants it now, he was going to do whatever he wanted to get his way. This certainly could have been handled within the confines of existing laws and regulations without damaging national security and international relations in the process. Of course, I have no idea where someone working in government might get this ridiculous notion that "the rules apply to others but not to me" and that "it's OK to break the rules if it is more convenient for me or I can justify the end result to myself"
makes campaign promise she will never have to fulfill. Film at 11. :rolleyes:
Snowden should be pardoned, but this would only be credible coming from one of the two mainstream candidates.
Daniel Ellsberg is still alive. Could you find him some kind of paperwork job over at the Pentagon?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg
Pardon Snowden... Stein got off on the right foot there. Sounds good so far...
Unfortunately, she shoved the other one in her mouth. She's in favor of "homeopathic medicine", and says that nuclear energy is, "dirty, dangerous and expensive, and should be precluded on all of those counts", when the actual data shows just the opposite. Furthermore, she wants "a moratorium on GMOs", which wikipedia states, "There is a scientific consensus[147][148][149][150] that currently available food derived from GM crops poses no greater risk to human health than conventional food".
I REALLY want to vote third party, but we need some third party candidates who are not anti-science crackpots. I thought she might be pro-science, but apparently not.
It's really too bad. I'd be totally on the side of a pro-environment and pro-civil rights party, something akin to a blend of green and libertarian. Bring Snowden back, stop spying on everyone, and don't trash the environment. Could be so good! However, they keep putting up unelectable nutcases :-/. This election could be THE golden opportunity for third parties, because the D and R candidates are both strongly disliked across the political spectrum. It's not that they would be likely to win, but they could become a force to be reckoned with and position themselves to gain mindshare in the future. But not by being "pro homeopathy" and generally come across like crackpots.
Sigh. We need some real alternatives to Republicans and Democrats. "Real" being the key word.
I honestly don't know if he has all of the qualifications as a cabinet member (but then again, I don't know our main two presidential candidates have qualifications for being president) ... but so long as we're on the 'appoint people with different points of views than what we've had for decades', I'd recommend Carl Malamud for the head of the Government Printing Office
(he's the guy who's been buying government documents, scanning 'em, and putting them up for free at resource.org)
Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
Too bad for Jill Stein, Snowden, and all of America.
As apparently the American nation and government need snitches who abscond to the shelter of extremely democratic and human rights protectors, and not face the consequences of their actions.
Just my 5 pence, but then I'm not an American.
Ron Paul was in Congress in the 80s, and ran for president as Libertarian in 1988. Ron Paul is quite knowledgeable on Libertarian positions, and put out different ideas, including putting out a bounty for a couple billion dollars on Osama bin Laden. Now, that doesn't work if an entire government (Pakistan) is hiding said people in an effort to get 'aid'.
Ron Paul ran hard in the 2012 Republican Primary and came in 3rd after Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney. Newt Gingrich is going to be in the Trump Administration, and Mitt Romney tried to lead an effort to overthrow Trump. So, how will Gary Johnson win over strong liberals, such as those whom supported Bernie Sanders?
Try saying that three times.
She had a real shot at winning the election and she blew it. The powers-that-be cannot let her put that traitor in a position of power
If removal of child labor laws, no minimum wage, and unregulated health care all sound good to you.
Not that it wouldn't make us competitive with China, just y'know....
captcha was quandary... Yes, yes it is.
"...while Manning leaked the Afghan War Diary and Iraq War Logs, which included footage of U.S. helicopter airmen deliberately gunning down journalists, to Wikileaks."
This quote would lead a person to believe the helo pilot went gunning for the journalists, which is not the case. A battle had been ongoing in the area and the pilot saw what looked to him (and me) like a group of fighters with RPG's and small arms. What looked like an RPG on the gun sight footage was actually a camera with a really long lens. The person holding it pointed it towards the helo. The pilot, thinking he was about to be attacked, radioed in for permission to engage, received that permission and opened fire.
Nobody deliberately murdered journalists.
this just goes to show how little she understands national security and what it takes to protect it. her list of pardons is apparently if you are untrustworthy son of a bitch and broke your oath and betrayed your country and have no integrity you get a spot on her cabinet. she is as big a security risk as either of the Clintons
Liking her or hating her is fine, but people should at least know about her and the other "third-party" candidate on the ballot in all 50 states, Gary Johnson. In an election where there are a record majority number of people dissatisfied with the candidates being offered up by both the big parties, the media ought to be doing a better job of covering the alternatives.
Isn't it bad enough we have a traitor in the big chair, and criminals running for it? Do we have to actively search out traitors too?
Anything to get her foot in the door on controls. He surely could not care less nor could she help him with a fucking thing.
it really is Jill ?
look up her wiki page; she ran for Gov here in Mass, and the number of votes she got was below pathetic
I bet she gets a smaller % of the votes then Pat Paulson got when he ran
sad thing is, her program isn't that bad; at least, it isn't totally insane like the libertarian retards
why ?
If you get past the GOP nonsense (1), and the things that look bad but aren't that bad (2), there isn't that much wrong with hillary
I mean, as a practical matter, she is given a lot of credit for CHIP; are we really gonna get anyone better ?
1) Benghazi
2) White water - a depressingly ordianry bit of small town scandal; I doubt there is a single pol in the congress who doesn't have something like this (the AG of the state of Arkansas formed a partnership with a promient businessman, where the B guy put up all the money and the shared in the profits; since it was reasonable at the time to assume that the B guy had, or would have legal affairs before the state, this was clearly conflict of interest)
If he had done things right, nobody would know who he is, and he wouldn't need a pardon. Instead, he decided to be a self-aggrandizing douchebag and attention whore, so he gets what he deserves.
thats all
if you don't understand that, I have no interest in arguing - libertarianism is sort of a practical IQ test; if you think libertarianism is good, you fail and yes i can spell if i want to
And the lawbreaking Snowden reported on? Why aren't you guys demanding every employee of the NSA be hauled into court, right on up through the executive branch to the president himself? Why aren't you demanding Obama be charged with 5 years in prison and a $10,000 fine for each instance of illegal warrantless wiretapping?
And why don't you authoritarians give two shits about the Constitution? If you did work for the government, you took the same Oath of Office that Snowden, Manning, Drake, and Kirkarou did. The only way for those men to uphold their oaths was to violate the laws protecting obscenely unconstitutional actions, like the NSA's warrantless wiretapping and the CIA's torture program.
Because she knows she'll never make it, mores the pity.
I'm still debating whether I will write-in vote for Ike Eisenhower or Vladimir Putin. The election is just theater so might as well have fun with it.
Her anti-vax babble reveals her as just another headline seeking political crack head. The Greens in the US are a joke. Too bad as another realistic party would look pretty good right now.
Definitely won't be voting for her.
Snowden is still a traitor, no matter how much you try to whitewash it.
The United States Government broke constitutional laws by spying on it's own citizens, making those currently running The United States Government a traitor on it's own people. The people running the current United States Government are traitors no matter how much you try to whitewash it.
never be elected.
No matter the joke that either/both of the other parties nominate, you can count on the libertaians to be the punch line.
They cannot be taken seriously and always are the crazier aunt or uncle at the family reunion
Put a criminal traitor who ran-off to China and then Russia handing them uncounted numbers of secrets along the way into oone of the highest positions of government???? SERIOUSLY?!?!?
This is what your brain looks like on drugs....sizzle....sizzle....
This is an empty promise because the chances are very near zero that somebody will get elected from the Green Party in 2016. // but yeah, Snowden as a cabinet member would probably be a good idea....
I'm a Sanders supporter and was looking at the possibilty of supportung Stein until I read her position on Snowden. Snowden is a traitor!!! There is no way I would support giving him a pardon or putting him in a position in government.
I realize she's a bit green on how government works, but one would think even a minor party candidate like Jill Stein would realize that all Cabinet positions require Senate confirmation. And there's no way Snowden is getting that, even if he's been pardoned.
At this point, I'm thinking "Thank you, Bernie, for introducing me to Jill Stein!!"
Morally right trumps lawful every time. That's why we have jury nullification.
When has jury nullification ever give the geek the verdict he hoped it would?
She sounds too good to be true, all my votes belong to Dr. Stein!
Yeah, we had/have the same problem with the Green Party up here. They have some good ideas, but then start spouting ideology just as bad as any other party on certain topics regardless of science.
Additionally, they wanted to be seen as a legitimate party, so they tried to run a candidate in every riding in Canada. Which I think was a real mistake, as you really start scraping the bottom of the barrel at a certain point, and the types of candidate they attract are basically crackpots and hippies neither of which you really want to run anything let alone your government. Nothing wrong with hippies, so long as they have their heads out of the clouds and are trying to achieve their hippie like goals within the realm of realism. Anyway until they really focus on being more realistic they will be nothing more than a fringe party.
Can I vote for her twice? Please? I was already going to vote for her once, and now this. I suspect I won't be allowed to, so instead I'll just send her some money, I think. She's the woman Killary Clinton wants us to imagine that she is, but without her having to BE her. I'm not so scared of Dickhead Trump that I'm about to let her trick me into voting for her, since they're really the same person in different clown outfits. Don't give in to fear, (voting for Killary,) don't give in to hatred (voting for D. Trump,) don't give in to nostalgia, (writing in Sanders,) and don't give in to to whatever you'd have to be giving into to vote for Anarchy Lite, (Gary Johnson).
Vote for PROGRESS, vote for Dr. Jill Stein. Or don't, but remember that you'll only have yourself and all the other dolts and cowards like you to blame when things go horribly, terribly wrong.