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Army Special Operations Command Ditching Android For iPhone, Says Report (gizmodo.com)

The United States Army's Special Operations Command is ditching its Android phones for the "faster" iPhone, according to a report. The source cited in the story says that Android phones were freezing unexpectedly, which was one of the reasons they decided to give the iPhone 6s a spin. Gizmodo adds: The smartphones allow members of the Special Operations Command to access rich information about the battlefield. There's also quickly accessible information, like a weapons and ammunitions guide. Other apps can help with high altitude jumps; another can detect radiation. While DARPA helped develop the program on Android due to the operating system's open platform, Apple's hardware is apparently superior enough to warrant the switch.

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  1. My first first? by Compumyst · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But seriously? iPhone superior to Android? Were they buying budget phones?

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    1. Re:My first first? by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It does seem like we're missing part of the story here. The hardware isn't the core difference between Apple and the various Android phones, most of them are as capable as any other if you picked up a reasonably recent model. If anything, there are Android phones sporting more memory or faster processors.

      The real difference is in the software. It's in the operating system, as well as how it handles applications, and which applications are available for the device. It's also potentially in the enterprise management of such devices, but I don't see that mentioned here either. All of those are software differences primarily.

    2. Re:My first first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In my experience decisions like this are typically made because somebody high up likes their iPhone and doesn't want to have to learn how to use an Android phone.

      Sounds overly simplistic, but I've seen it happen too many times.

    3. Re:My first first? by Mycroft-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The real difference is in the software.

      Nope, the real difference is in the ability and willingness to navigate the military procurement process.

    4. Re:My first first? by swillden · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The real difference is in the software.

      Nope, the real difference is in the ability and willingness to navigate the military procurement process.

      I thought about that, thinking maybe the only Android OEMs who were willing to do that were obscure ones making crappy devices, but then I remembered that Samsung has actually gone to the effort of getting at least one of their devices certified for classified data. If they're doing that, they can certainly navigate the procurement process. And the Samsung flagships are very good devices, clearly competitive with the iPhone.

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    5. Re:My first first? by clonehappy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But seriously? iPhone superior to Android? Were they buying budget phones?

      Never used an iPhone, eh?

    6. Re:My first first? by cortex3299 · · Score: 2

      They are comparing their current Samsung Note II to an Iphone 6S, yes the 6S will be faster than an old Android phone.

    7. Re:My first first? by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 3

      GP is right, All the vendors market to the guys wearing stars. If the general likes it then that's what we buy, doesn't matter what the grunts think.

      Just look at NMCI, the admirals will tell you it is a huge win, just don't tell that to the 0-4 trying to use it to get his work done.

    8. Re:My first first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Or somebody realized that Android is not very secure. What is it now, 99+% of all malware targets Android? How many ways can an Android phone be infected? Perhaps thousands...

      iPhone, Windows phone, Blackberry, etc. ALL ARE SAFER than Android. Protect yourself from hacking, protect your contacts (friends and family) from getting their information compromised from your address book. Friends tell friends to use ANYTHING but Android.

      Example 1: https://www.google.com/search?...
        Example 2:
      https://www.google.com/search?...

      Actually you're full of shit.

      Source: Actual CVE details.

      IOS Currently has 900 unique CVEs released:
      https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-49/product_id-15556/Apple-Iphone-Os.html

      Android has 430 unique CVEs release:
      https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-1224/product_id-19997/Google-Android.html

      But hey, don't let facts get in your way.

    9. Re:My first first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      It does seem like we're missing part of the story here. The hardware isn't the core difference between Apple and the various Android phones, most of them are as capable as any other if you picked up a reasonably recent model. If anything, there are Android phones sporting more memory or faster processors.

      Except that that's not completely true, and even in the true half, there are mitigating factors.

      The iPhone's CPU is typically much faster than Android processors where it matters, but slower where it doesn't. That is, the iPhone's CPU is extremely fast at single threaded or dual threaded operation, but Android devices win multithreaded benchmarks. As most mobile workloads are not very parallel, the iPhone's CPU typically is a much better bet.

      In terms of memory, while you're correct that most Android devices ship with more, they also need significantly more. 90% of processes on Android use garbage collection. It's been demonstrated over and over that garbage collection only works well when there's an excess of memory hanging about. A garbage collector is a fine thing when it has a spare gig or two to fill with things it might collect in the future; but it's a terrible idea on a memory constrained example. This is why when you look at application launch tests between top end Android and iOS devices, typically the iOS device will have more processes still in memory on the second loop through the apps, despite having half the amount of RAM.

    10. Re:My first first? by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The iPhone could be in fact superior to the task that the Army needed the device to do.

      Don't go all Android Fanboi! Android does many things better than iOS... However iOS does some things better.
      When designing a software there are tradeoffs that are needed. Sometimes those tradeoffs may enhance more people than they hinder, however the minority may find that missing ability to greatly improve that function they prefer.

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    11. Re:My first first? by macs4all · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But seriously? iPhone superior to Android?

      Yes, seriously. Do you want the list in Alphabetical Order, or in Order of Importance?

      Remember, we're talking about the Military here. They could give a rats ass about your precious "Sideloading", and "Cyanogenmod" crapola. They are interested in just a couple of things: Reliability and Responsiveness of hardware and software, and Security of the OS.

      Overall, iPhone "wins" on both counts, sorry.

      Oh, and not having Google datamining every single thing is probably a consideration in a Military application, too...

      And I would imagine that it also helps that Apple is the only U.S.-based cellphone manufacturer.

    12. Re:My first first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, you're full of shit too.

      Source: your actual links.

      Android has 309 defects with a CVSS score of 7 or higher (on a scale of 1-10). 90 of them with a CVSS score of 10.

      IOS has 254 defects with a CVSS score of 7 or higher. 21 of them with a CVSS score of 10.

      But hey, don't let facts get in your way.

    13. Re:My first first? by danbob999 · · Score: 2

      You are seriously using anecdotal evidence to say that "most" prefer iOS?

    14. Re:My first first? by danbob999 · · Score: 2

      Smartphone market share studies are not political polls. And no, your graph is not better than an average political poll because again, there is a huge selection bias.

  2. Huh? by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Other apps can help with high altitude jumps;

    So are they supposed to just whip out an iPhone in the middle of a HALO jump to figure out when they need to open their chute?

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    1. Re:Huh? by michelcolman · · Score: 2

      Just make sure there's no DST change around the time of the jump.

    2. Re:Huh? by wkwilley2 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, you just have to make sure the request sends before you hit the gr

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  3. Still made in China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    *doh

  4. Re:Isn't there something in Apple's EULA about thi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You may not use this device to kill people?

    then how did pokemon go get approved?

  5. That's nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If they're switching, it's because somebody's getting a kickback.

    1. Re:That's nonsense by Notorious+G · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I doubt it. I had android phones most of my career and only switched to iPhone about 18 months ago. The android phones tend to suck, it's that simple. They freeze, they lose performance (frequent reboots often fix that) and occasional exhibit unexpected and inconsistent behaviors (icon/button clicks don't work until app/phone restart, a button that did one thing sometimes does something else, etc). Android battery life sucks so bad there are apps you need to use to help manage it - not because the battery is a problem but it seems something is always running that drains it. With my iPhone, it just works. In 18 months I can count the number of reboots on one hand. I can go the entire weekend without recharging. Occasionally there is an app crash but nothing like I saw on android. When you're out on the sharp tip of the spear and your life may depend on information being reliably available, android is not the best bet. I'm not saying iPhone is something I'd want to bet my life on either but if I was in their position and wanted the best available, it's the iPhone.

  6. OK by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 2

    Now the army spec ops guys just need to get their apps approved through the app store.

    1. Re:OK by jittles · · Score: 4, Informative

      Now the army spec ops guys just need to get their apps approved through the app store.

      The DoD already pays for an enterprise cert for iOS. They have been running their own server w/ app install capabilities for the last ~6 years or so, even when they were just tinkering with iOS deployments.

  7. Apple apps approved? by PedroReina · · Score: 2

    Can the Army install custom apps for themselves or they need to be approved first for Apple?

    1. Re:Apple apps approved? by Ixokai · · Score: 5, Informative

      Apple has had an enterprise mechanism for installing custom apps for years now, completely bypassing the store. This has been the case almost as long as there's been an a store.

      With the right management software, the apps can even be loaded and updated automatically. All without Apple ever seeing them.

  8. Re:Until apple gets all peace warrior by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

    I can totally see Apple making a big stink about using Apple products in wartime missions.

    I kinda bet Apple will see $$$$ signs much more than they will see peace signs....

    A DoD contract would mean a LOT of money to Apple, and after all, they are a company who's business is to make money.

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  9. A natural consequence by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

    A natural consequence of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

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  10. Vanilla? by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

    If they didn't want it to freeze I would hope they bought a Google Nexus, the only arguably vanilla Android phone. Otherwise, yeah, if it's worth the extra cost to you an iPhone probably will be more stable.

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  11. Re:Until apple gets all peace warrior by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I can totally see Apple making a big stink about using Apple products in wartime missions.

    "This insurgent extraction brought to you by iTunes, the only way to jam out with your rifle out! And Apple Maps, accurate to the last drop!"

    You don't remember all the free press Apple got early in the Iraq War when a bullet went through a soldier's vest and stopped in his 1st gen iPod?

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  12. Re:Until apple gets all peace warrior by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > A DoD contract would mean a LOT of money to Apple,

    Meh. They could sell what, a couple thousand phones to SOC? 10k maybe? That's what, an hour of retail?

    This isn't the 50's.

  13. Re:Until apple gets all peace warrior by cfalcon · · Score: 2

    Usually there's a lot more to it than that. There's usually support contracts, etc.

  14. It's not the hardware or the OS that's the issue by PyroSlacker · · Score: 5, Informative

    I deal with the DoD phones every day and it's not that the Android hardware or OS is slower or inferior, it's that the DoD's implementation is. I personally don't like iOS and find my Samsung phones far superior for personal use, but once the security software is installed the Galaxy phones are virtually useless (and this includes all the way up through the S6, not just completely outdated models). They completely missed the point on how Knox is supposed to work and try to secure both the regular partition and the Knox partition which just screws up both of them. They constantly lose connection to the server and have to be reset or just freeze entirely. Despite my vehement dislike of iOS I advise people to only get iPhones now for the office. It's just not worth fighting with what they've done to Android. So when SOCOM says their Android phones are slow and freezing and the iPhone is much faster it's completely true in the context of government secured versions (in the context of personal phones that don't have everything useful disabled in the name of security, I'll stick with my S7 Edge).

  15. Re:*Urban* Army Special Ops by Altus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thats a TACTICAL turtleneck you insensitive clod!

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  16. Nope, "operators" usually pick equipment by perpenso · · Score: 2, Informative

    In my experience decisions like this are typically made because somebody high up likes their iPhone and doesn't want to have to learn how to use an Android phone. Sounds overly simplistic, but I've seen it happen too many times.

    Bad guess. Note "United States Army's Special Operations Command", they get a lot of say in what equipment they use. A friend's brother made some unique camera equipment. SOC guys thought it interesting. The only people this small company every saw during evaluation were "operators". The "suits" did not get involved until the "operators" said "we want this". What you say may be true for normal military procurement, but its very different for SOC.

  17. Re:It's not the hardware or the OS that's the issu by psergiu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yep - another S6A Knox user here.
    If i lose data connection for a bit, i feel-it as the phone heats up like mad while sucking the battery dry.
      If i lose the data connection for too long, it will self-format (and destroy all the data/photos/application settings on the phone)
    And when the data connection is working fine, the fscking antivirus randomly kicks in and slows everything down. I had battery life varying from 3 full days to 3 hours.
    There's no way to get consistent functionality from a secured Samsung phone. While on iPhone everything works as it should.

    Linux kernel on Android vs MACH Darwin microkernel on iOS.

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  18. Guys wearing starts don't always make the call by perpenso · · Score: 5, Interesting

    GP is right, All the vendors market to the guys wearing stars. If the general likes it then that's what we buy, doesn't matter what the grunts think.

    Note "United States Army's Special Operations Command", that works entirely different. A friend's brother made some specialized photographic gear for the civilian market. SOC guys heard about it, visited, asked to evaluate it. They made some suggestions. These were incorporated into the design. They then told the guys wearing stars "we want this" and then "suits" got involved for the paperwork. Selection, evaluation and decision for this gear was made by "operators".

  19. Widely known that SOC has latitude in gear by perpenso · · Score: 3, Funny

    Really - three nearly identical posts ...

    Apologies for communicating with three different individuals.

    ... and in all three, you seem almost desperate to have someone acknowledge that you are an insider with super-meaningful knowledge.

    I am not an insider, nor have any special knowledge. It is quite well known that SOC has a wide latitude in gear selection. I merely saw a single instance of this well known practice. Apologies if your anti-military industrial complex meme or whatever failed. Perhaps there will be an F-35 post for you soon and you can find some joy.