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Police 3D-Printed A Murder Victim's Finger To Unlock His Phone (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Police in Michigan have a new tool for unlocking phones: 3D printing. According to a new report from Flash Forward creator Rose Eveleth, law enforcement officers approached professors at the University of Michigan earlier this year to reproduce a murder victim's fingerprint from a prerecorded scan. Once created, the 3D model would be used to create a false fingerprint, which could be used to unlock the phone. Because the investigation is ongoing, details are limited, and it's unclear whether the technique will be successful. Still, it's similar to techniques researchers have used in the past to re-create working fingerprint molds from scanned images, often in coordination with law enforcement. This may be the first confirmed case of police using the technique to unlock a phone in an active investigation. Apple has recently changed the way iOS manages fingerprint logins. You are now required to input an additional passcode if your phone hasn't been touched for eight hours and the passcode hasn't been entered in the past six days.

97 comments

  1. So... by DougOtto · · Score: 4, Funny

    The scientists are giving them the finger?

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    1. Re:So... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2

      The scientists are giving them the finger?

      Pretty much giving the finger to privacy...

      And Jain said he was happy to help when they got in touch: "We do it for the fun."

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    2. Re:So... by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      It's a cool use of 3D Printing; but couldn't just putting the victim's finger on the phone work?

    3. Re:So... by saloomy · · Score: 1, Informative

      Capacitive touch (the metal ring around the iPhone's home button) only works if you are alive. That's what turns on the fingerprint reader so its not constantly checking if there is a finger pressed against it. Capacitive touch detects micro-electric currents that flow through your body, and unfortunately, don't work once you are dead.

    4. Re:So... by idontgno · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wat.

      3d-printed plastic fingers are... alive?

      O_o

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    5. Re:So... by Sperbels · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... can I copyright my fingerprint and then charge the government some exorbitant price for keeping it in a database, or copying it anywhere else?

    6. Re:So... by narcc · · Score: 2

      Capacitive touch (the metal ring around the iPhone's home button) only works if you are alive [...] Capacitive touch detects micro-electric currents that flow through your body

      No.

      The very first line from your own link:

      In electrical engineering, capacitive sensing (sometimes capacitance) is a technology, based on capacitive coupling, that can detect and measure anything that is conductive or has a dielectric different from air.

    7. Re:So... by Wycliffe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a cool use of 3D Printing; but couldn't just putting the victim's finger on the phone work?

      If you would have read the article, it states that the body was too decayed. Another possibly scenario would be where the body hasn't been found yet and they find the phone in the victim's apartment, along side the road, etc... There are plenty of situations where you might have a prerecorded fingerprint but not a body.

      Oh, and call me cynical but my guess is that one of the reasons it's being tried in this case is to set a precedence in a "safe" case so they can later use it against living people with a search warrant.

    8. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That means there's still hope for RealDoll... eh... owners? Users? Husbands?

    9. Re:So... by JohnFen · · Score: 2

      Capacitive touch (the metal ring around the iPhone's home button) only works if you are alive.

      This is not true. It only works for materials that are suitably capacitive. There are lots of alternatives that work aside from living flesh.

    10. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There is already a precedent for living people.. they can and will order your finger against the scanner...

      http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/05/02/3774385/court-forces-woman-to-unlock-phone-with-finger-id/

    11. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    12. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So just tazer the dead finger.

    13. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... can I copyright my fingerprint and then charge the government some exorbitant price for keeping it in a database, or copying it anywhere else?

      Right! Charge them with going up against the DMCA and sue the shit out of their grandmother for 10 billion in damages ! Good one!

    14. Re: So... by saloomy · · Score: 0

      Which part confuses you? You have a different dielectric than the air whilst alive.

    15. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a load of BS... No "internal currents" involved whatsoever.
      Capacitive sensors are sensors that are triggered when the capacitance between two terminals (e.g. two "pixels" on a touchscreen) is within a specified range. Thats why some items (such as earphone cables) will trigger a "touch" on your phone screen because they happen to have a capacitance roughly equivalent to that of your finger.

    16. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, any large bag of water will do adequately so long as the bag is conductive.

    17. Re: So... by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Which part confuses you? You have a different dielectric than the air whilst alive.

      Orange peels are capacitive, but so are some rubber sytluses, and a rubber stylus is most certainly not alive.

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    18. Re:So... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      All you need to do is press the dead finger to the sensor hard, using your own (ungloved) finger. The sensor will activate based on your finger being alive.
      Worse case scenario you cut off the pad of their finger and press that (your finger behind it). Or your elbow if you're squeamish. Or just run current through the dead finger if you don't want to defile a corpse.

      All of this is assuming the clown used his fingerprint to unlock his phone. Long random password or nothing.

    19. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Capacitive touch (the metal ring around the iPhone's home button) only works if you are alive.

      Uh, no. It works by capacitance, that is the ratio of an impressed charge on a conductor to the corresponding change in potential. It will work with a live finger, a dead finger, a gummy finger, a stylus, a hot dog, water, etc.

      Unless you think all of the electrons in a person's body magically disappear when they die.

    20. Re: So... by narcc · · Score: 1

      You also have a different dielectric than the air whilst dead.

    21. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the body was too decayed to use as a source, then how did they get the fingerprint in the first place?

      None of this makes sense to me. The only thing I can think of is they made a 3D model of "a finger" and somehow lifted his prints off something and moved it to the finger.

      I don't think 3D printing is advanced enough in the mainstream to be able to replicate a fingerprint.

    22. Re:So... by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Beware the long finger of the law!

    23. Re:So... by byornski · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Replying to undo mistaken moderation

    24. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Years ago I used to work for a company that made biometric locking devices when a vulnerability by a Japanese professor (don't remember the name) caught my eye. I contacted him and he mailed me a huge packet of information. Basically you lift a print with fingerprint powder and a piece of scotch tape. You then affix that to a photosensitive etching PCB. Once it's etched, you can use that to make a mold.

    25. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently, you don't know all words. It is not such a big shame, words are created daily. The shame is your big ego that prevented you to look it up before dissing others.

    26. Re:So... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      So the important questions to ask are:

      1. How long does it take to create a fake finger to unlock a phone?

      2. Can I set the time-out that requires entering an unlock code to be less than that?

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    27. Re:So... by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      So they had the victims finger prints why not just take the phone down to the Morgue and scan the corpse? it can't be that difficult to warm up a finger (Assuming the scanner even checks for thermal)

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    28. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please look up "humor," you might learn something.

  2. If I'm found murdered... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...please don't try to unlock my phone. To me, having my privacy interfered with is a greater fear than being murdered.

    1. Re: If I'm found murdered... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It should be since in your hypothetical you'd already be dead.

    2. Re:If I'm found murdered... by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2

      Don't be a criminal or get murdered and you won't have an issue.

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    3. Re:If I'm found murdered... by JohnFen · · Score: 2

      I wish that I were nearly as confident of that as you.

    4. Re:If I'm found murdered... by JohnFen · · Score: 2

      Once I'm dead, one of two things will happen. I will either no longer exist and therefore wouldn't care about my privacy anymore, or I will live on in some mystical realm and wouldn't care about my corporeal privacy anymore.

      Either way, privacy would be the last thing on my mind.

    5. Re:If I'm found murdered... by Diss+Champ · · Score: 2

      You obviously haven't watched enough silly TV, or you'd realize the third option is that you will haunt your phone until someone does a documentary about it.

  3. How quickly can they print a fingerprint? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    iPhones give you only 48 hours to use a fingerprint before reverting to passphrase (and less than eight hours if you haven't unlocked by passcode within the last six days)

    1. Re:How quickly can they print a fingerprint? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      On mine it's 12h (I think, it may be 8, I do it every morning and sometimes after a long day out) and I have a >4 character code. Also whenever the device restarts or anything (base band) is updated.

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  4. So much for biometrics being more "Secure" by PinkyGigglebrain · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How long till they use 3D printing or such to replicate someones face or retina scan?

    One more reason for me to never use or trust bio-metric authentication.

    And now I have something I can point to and say "See?" when someone tries to convince me how great Bio-metrics are.

    1. Re:So much for biometrics being more "Secure" by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      Whatever happened to "Demolition Man" old school, put eyeball on a pen or cut off finger

    2. Re:So much for biometrics being more "Secure" by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      What about the old my voice is my passport verify me?

      Bell Canada has a system like that.

    3. Re: So much for biometrics being more "Secure" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      At some point your synaptic connections will be scanned so that anything you memorized can be used against you

    4. Re:So much for biometrics being more "Secure" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you cannot authenticate when you have a cold.

    5. Re:So much for biometrics being more "Secure" by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The only biometric signature hardware that I've seen that I would consider seriously difficult to spoof would be the deep-vein reader:

      http://www.fujitsu.com/us/solu...
      http://www.m2sys.com/palm-vein...

      They use "Palm Vein Authentication" and this seems like it would be really, really tough to trick. I think it would be very hard to recreate the sensor signature, probably harder than a retinal scan.

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    6. Re:So much for biometrics being more "Secure" by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The good news is that this might mean it is better for the thieves to just scan your finger, instead of needing to cut it off. They'll get one that doesn't need refrigeration that way. Unfortunately, this can only be done with fancy custom academic prototype 3d printing, not off-the-shelf models, so for now the answer for thieves of biometric-protected items is still to cut the finger off and apply an electric current.

      My solution is simpler: I don't put anything on a mobile device that needs strong protection. Just because it is possible to bank from a phone app doesn't automatically mean there is a great use case for it. Internet banking from a physically secure desktop computer seems like a much better setup to me. But I've had that since the 90s.

      If I really, really wanted to check my balance from my phone, I could actually just call the 800-number and have a computer read it to me. And it is much safer, because I can't do transactions that way; only check the balance.

    7. Re:So much for biometrics being more "Secure" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you STOP giving them "better" ideas?

    8. Re:So much for biometrics being more "Secure" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't think so. All you need to do is to provide something that'll generate the inputs in the sensor that the back-end wants to see. Since biometrics are inherently fuzzy, you always have some leeway. And the sensor can only see so much. In fact the back-end first runs some processing step to abstract out what the designers thought were the high points, to try and reduce noise in the input. This happens with fingerprints, but with facial recognition also. Distorting those is what those facepaint tricks do to fool facial recognition. So, perhaps a centimetre-thick slab of 3d printed latex with a little device to pulse air through the "veins" to give the impression of live veins will do it. Maybe something else. I expect there's quite a bit of unexplored ground here because too many manufacturers (just about all of them) mostly produce this sort of thing for function, minimising false negatives, when the impostor is shooting for breaking security, by riding in on a false positive. So the engineering trade-offs typical of this sort of contraption actually favour imposting. As such, biometrics are inherently very "hollywood" "security".

    9. Re:So much for biometrics being more "Secure" by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Has there ever been a case of a thief actually cutting someone's finger off and then applying an electric current just to get into their mobile banking app? Seems much more likely they would just steal your wallet and phone, and maybe force you to withdraw some cash or tell them the credit card PIN number.

      Thieves are usually quite unsophisticated and the ones with half a brain try to avoid making contact with their victims at all, e.g. by using card skimmers at ATMs and payment terminals.

      The really stupid thing is that most banking apps don't work with privacy and security enhanced phones because they don't like rooted operating systems. They would prefer I expose myself to all that malware in web advertising. Google Wallet does that as well, although Google claims to be working on a fix.

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    10. Re:So much for biometrics being more "Secure" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But, but, Sheldon told me that using my face to unlock my computer is more secure than a password and will keep the bad guys from stealing all of the money on my computer. Are you calling him a liar?

    11. Re:So much for biometrics being more "Secure" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has there ever been a case of a thief actually cutting someone's finger off ...

      Not 100% identical to the scenario in your question, but close: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4396831.stm

    12. Re:So much for biometrics being more "Secure" by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      I don't think so. All you need to do is to provide something that'll generate the inputs in the sensor that the back-end wants to see.

      Not only would you have to come up with this "something" that'll generate the inputs, you'd also have to get the "live palm signature" of the person to be impersonated with all of the correct biometric markers.

      Yes, it'll probably be possible to spoof it someday, but I think that day is quite a ways off. By then I suspect it'll have been enhanced with DNA sensing and who knows what else.

      The fact is that technology like this is rapidly making it more and more difficult to fool these kinds of "deep-sensing" authentication methods, and it'll only get more difficult as time goes on. Combine this with a retinal scan, a multiple-fingerprint reader, weight and heat sensors, and you'd have a damn difficult system to fool.

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    13. Re:So much for biometrics being more "Secure" by TRRosen · · Score: 1

      Actually both of those usually only require a high res photo.

  5. Why not use the real finger? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I mean if the guy is dead, why not just go down to the morgue and swipe his finger across the phone?

    1. Re:Why not use the real finger? by subanark · · Score: 1

      I think it requires a pulse.

    2. Re:Why not use the real finger? by Hotawa+Hawk-eye · · Score: 1
      • They have some indication other than the whole body, like a large pool of blood or video footage of the murder that doesn't show enough detail to identify the murderer, that the phone's owner has been killed.
      • The phone was not found until after the victim's body was buried or cremated, and even if it was buried it has been long enough that decomposition would prevent the actual finger from working.
      • The police have the body, but the fingers were mutilated beyond the capability of the fingerprint sensor to recognize (say the victim was run down and their hands were crushed under the wheels of the car that struck them.) An extreme version of this would be if the victim was killed by an explosion like an IED.
      • The murderer removed the hands and teeth of the victim to make identification of the body more difficult.
    3. Re:Why not use the real finger? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      It depends on the sensor. There are sensors available that can look for a pulse, appropriate temperature, even the presence of subcutaneous blood vessels imaged in the infrared. But those are expensive and bulky sensors, and not the sort you find on phones, which are comparatively crude devices.

    4. Re:Why not use the real finger? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Because humans tend to swell up when they decompose, not sure about the rate in morgue fridges (they don't deep freeze you) but I think over time someone (usually family) would eventually want to burry or burn you.

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    5. Re:Why not use the real finger? by hankwang · · Score: 1

      What is "appropriate temperature" for a finger? My SO regularly manages to get her hands (and feet) below ambient temperature...

    6. Re:Why not use the real finger? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      There must be a reason - probably one of the things not released as this is an ongoing investigation. Maybe they don't have the body, or they have but it was disposed of in a way that destroyed the prints, or it wasn't found for some weeks and is to decayed to read.

  6. Here's the interesting part... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's the interesting part...

    A 3D printed finger alone often canâ(TM)t unlock a phone these days. Most fingerprint readers used on phones are capacitive, which means they rely on the closing of tiny electrical circuits to work. The ridges of your fingers cause some of these circuits to come in contact with each other, generating an image of the fingerprint. Skin is conductive enough to close these circuits, but the normal 3D printing plastic isnâ(TM)t, so Arora coated the 3D printed fingers in a thin layer of metallic particles so that the fingerprint scanner can read them.

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  7. Way to shoot yourself in the foot, LEOs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a logical enough move, though I'm pretty sure you can do it without an actual 3d printer. We already know that fingerprints can be duplicated with very little effort indeed. But the problem for our esteemed LEO bunch here is that LEOs are now admitting this reality. And that brings up important sticky sticking points.

    For, if they start to routinely duplicate fingerprints, what value do fingerprints found on the scene retain?

    Also, now it turns out they're sitting on gigantic databases of other people's access keys, in the form of earlier taken fingerprints. You can trust them with that, can't you? They're totally trustable, right?

    1. Re:Way to shoot yourself in the foot, LEOs by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also, now it turns out they're sitting on gigantic databases of other people's access keys, in the form of earlier taken fingerprints. You can trust them with that, can't you? They're totally trustable, right?

      That's the real kicker. They don't even need a new scan. Even if you're not paranoid about the police directly, the identity thieves have already proven that they have an easy time planting people on the inside of government agencies that have access to identity data, like the DMV. And the amount of drugs that are smuggled into prisons shows that criminal elements have fully penetrated the prison guards. So there is already black market access to this information. You can't just avoid new scans to avoid it.

      It isn't viable to protect the secrecy of your fingerprints, so it isn't viable as an authentication mechanism. The main thing you can do to protect yourself is not to rely on authentication mechanisms; don't think that putting your fingerprint into your phone lock screen means that it is safe to store secrets (like banking access) on a phone. Don't think that having a fingerprint scanner on a door means that nefarious persons can't enter through that door. Don't think that a fingerprint scanner on a car ignition will keep thieves from driving away in it. Etc.

    2. Re: Way to shoot yourself in the foot, LEOs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "And the amount of drugs that are smuggled into prisons shows that criminal elements have fully penetrated the prison guards."

      Giggity.

  8. great movie idea by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    well, for 5 seconds it was

  9. In related news.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple is releasing the cock phone 9. To unlock you can either oral or anal it.

    They say it will cost taxpayers less money because the cops know intuitively how to open it.

    1. Re:In related news.. by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      "it's not working"

      "how does it taste?"

      "salty"

      "it's an anal model, you dumb-ass"

  10. Slippery slope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm ok if the deceased's family gave permission to do this. I'm totally NOT ok if they did this to unlock a suspects phone before he was proven guilty.

  11. Or you can just mold a copy like Mythbusters did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No it is Not something that only 3D printing made possible.

  12. So even without the conductive layer . . . by mmell · · Score: 5, Insightful
    the police can put my fingerprint anywhere they want? Conceivably to be "found" later on and used as evidence against me?

    Prosecutor: "Can you explain how your fingerprints came to be on the murder weapon?"

    Defendant: "I don't know. I never touched it. Never seen it before. Maybe the police put it there? Since we know they can, experience has shown that they will."

    1. Re:So even without the conductive layer . . . by trout007 · · Score: 2

      The judge will most likely not allow the jury to hear that.

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    2. Re:So even without the conductive layer . . . by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Such a judge should be thrown off the bench, tarred, and feathered.

    3. Re:So even without the conductive layer . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the police can put my fingerprint anywhere they want? Conceivably to be "found" later on and used as evidence against me?

      Prosecutor: "Can you explain how your fingerprints came to be on the murder weapon?"

      Defendant: "I don't know. I never touched it. Never seen it before. Maybe the police put it there? Since we know they can, experience has shown that they will."

      Well, then the fact that you purchased the gun and it has your DNA on it might be enough, if the fingerprints are a question..

    4. Re:So even without the conductive layer . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure. At least the first one. But back here in the real world...

    5. Re:So even without the conductive layer . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I spend a fair amount of time in datacenters, the number of times I've had to be released from a mantrap by the SOC because their biometric readers didn't work is scary. Either my fingers are special or the technology is truly flawed. I certainly have little faith in it.

      My phone does not unlock with a finger print, nor would I use a voice for authentication. You get three tries before it b
      ricks. No warning, no typing "blackberry".. *poof*. The only problem is the dialer since all phones must be able to dial
        911. Police have abused that too to identify phones.

      Guess you really can take my phone from my cold dead hands.. or plastic.

    6. Re:So even without the conductive layer . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coincidentally, they've been wanting everyone's DNA ahead of time...

    7. Re:So even without the conductive layer . . . by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC given how hair, cloth, clothing, chemical testing and other emerging evidence has been rushed to produce a positive or matching result by expert "crime" labs over the decades in many nations, don't expect too much from a fancy city or state or federal "DNA" report or expert reading a report back under oath..
      Who will be the only DNA "expert" in that city, state or nation? How well are their gov labs run? Who inspects their methods? A trusted gov worker with a huge case load just counter signs their own "matched" results to save time or for some other reason?
      Outside labs with real experts that a legal team can trust are expensive. Remove all funding during a trail to ensure no further or outside tests can be done and only the prosecutor can present their experts.
      The result that legal teams now need to be aware of is a greater range of phones can be accessed, updated, logs and dates corrected and "found" files presented in court.
      Just as in the past with testing, matching or lab results a secure phone could exit the chain of evidience for a few hours and return altered thanks to easy access to ensure conviction or cover for parallel construction.

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  13. but here's the relevant part by tomhath · · Score: 1

    it's unclear whether the technique will be successful

    The headline is misleading. They haven't actually unlocked the phone, they just think they might have a way. If not they'll need to call the FBI.

  14. Technically legal by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Live people have far more privacy protections than dead people do.

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    1. Re:Technically legal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that why so many cops are emptying their magazines even if you're unarmed and you complied?

    2. Re:Technically legal by roger_that · · Score: 1

      My question is, wouldn't this still fall under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act? The LEOs/anybody else are not allowed users of the device, and it is a computer on a network.....

  15. Well, duh by JohnFen · · Score: 1

    Fingerprint authentication has never been, and will never be, adequately secure.

  16. on top of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "But Arora said that in a few weeks, once he’s tested the fingers enough in the lab, he’ll hand them over."

    In a few weeks? WTF! That's why anything for gov't costs an arm and a leg !
    Wouldn't 'testing' take like 5 minutes?

    1. Re:on top of that by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      So you're basically saying that the government charges an arm and a leg for a finger? What a ripoff!

  17. usual police incompetence by ooloorie · · Score: 3, Informative

    You don't need to 3D print a finger to fabricate a fingerprint, a simple laser printer is enough:

    http://www.instructables.com/i...

  18. Double edged sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And in the process they've proven that because a finger print is found at a crime scene doesn't mean that their suspect was there. If I were a defense attorney I'd keep a copy of this case in my briefcase and whenever a prosecutor used finger prints as evidence I'd pull it out and say "I have a case right here where POLICE faked a finger print so if the prosecutor could please prove that these fingerprints were used actually came from my client"

  19. Actual Finger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not just use the victim's actual finger. Presumably, he's not using it anymore.

    This seems like just a dumb reason to buy a 3D printer at a police station.

  20. They say it's his finger..... by pablo_max · · Score: 1

    but is it??

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
    The worlds First unlocked iPhone 5s with The penis

  21. You know what? Fuck this. by xrayspx · · Score: 2

    My phone dies with me. I'm sure many of my accounts die with me. I spend enough of my time keeping anyone, cops, bad guys, whoever, anyone, from reading my stuff. If they're going to /copy biometrics/ just to get access to some moron who kills me? No. I'm dead, doesn't matter anymore. Just leave me alone in death in the way you wouldn't in life.

    I guess I'm glad everything's password and I have a really, really good memory and very fast fingers.

  22. What happened to victim's finger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They can't use the actual finger? Or was the finger deformed?

  23. Simpler solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why didn't they ask the murder victim to swipe ...
    Never mind. :-)

  24. bloody stupid by samantha · · Score: 2

    There is no way to spoof a fingerprint sensor with a 3D printer. It would take extremely precise printing, far better than any 3D printer the local cops are like to have and a very precise fingerprint. And a sensor that has no ability to note discrepancy with living tissue. So I am claiming complete bullshit pretense of far more powers than cops have.

    Heck, I have to recalibrate my iThing fingerprint patterns every month or so to get it to recognize the real thing.

    1. Re:bloody stupid by crtreece · · Score: 2
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  25. Original gummy fingerprint tests beat most scanner by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 3, Informative

    The original presentation on beating fingerprint sensors with ordinary laser printer printed copies of fingerprinters, laid on gelatin, published in 2002, is available at:

                  http://web.mit.edu/6.857/OldSt...

    It's quite a good presentation, and was verified by MythBusters in 2011.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Mythbusters even demonstrated that simply printing a fingerprint on paper, and _licking the paper_, created a fake fingerprint good enough to defeat most sensors. There's little reason to think that the commercial fingerprint sensors have gotten any better, though I'd welcome a modern retest with modern cell phone and computer keyboard based sensors.

    Basically, the "fuzziness" of fingerprint sensors which allows to identify real fingers with real sensors is enough "fuziiness" to allow them to be beaten with even casually made fake fingerprints. I've seen no good evidence that the necessarysensor and computational "fuzziness" has ever been worked around with even the most expensive modern sensors: I'd welcome any evidence with honestly done tests showing otherwise.

  26. Your fingerprint is not protected by Constitution by laserhead · · Score: 1

    Your fingerprint is not protected by the Constitution, whether you are dead or alive, while password is protected.

  27. Fingerprints are usernames, not passwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure this has been said already... but as a small reminder, if you want to protect your data, don't use your fingerprint.

  28. Re:Original gummy fingerprint tests beat most scan by phorm · · Score: 1

    For non-phone devices, you could probably at least come up with something that requires a finger-shaped input (e.g. requires finger inserted, pushes a button at the end to toggle the snapshot) and maybe a heat-sensor.
    That might not exclude warm gelatin, but at least it'll beat a laser-printed print affixed to the end of a pencil etc.

  29. too restrictive by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

    The DNC should be able to just reach in the federal NSA database and tell the IRS who they should start punishing.

    It's time for the government to modernize and silence all of this counter-revolutionary free market, open democracy, free speech stuff.