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Chinese State Company Unveils World's Largest Seaplane (theguardian.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: China has completed production of the world's largest amphibious aircraft, state media has said, the latest effort in the country's program to wean itself off dependence on foreign aviation firms. The state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) unveiled the first of the new planes, dubbed the AG600, Saturday in the southern port city of Zhuhai, the official Xinhua news agency reported. The aircraft, which has a maximum range of 4,500 km (2,800 miles), is intended for fighting forest fires and performing marine rescues, it said. At around the size of a Boeing 737, it is far larger than any other plane built for marine take off and landing, Xinhua quoted AVIC's deputy general manager Geng Ruguang as saying. The AG600 could potentially extend the Asian giant's ability to conduct a variety of operations in the South China Sea, where it has built a series of artificial islands featuring air strips, among other infrastructure with the potential for either civilian or military use.

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  1. Spruce goose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Or perhaps it's the 'peking duck'

    1. Re: Spruce goose by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Probably more like the Iron Mandarin Duck. That one also flew artificially through the air. ;)

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    2. Re: Spruce goose by nukenerd · · Score: 1, Informative

      We should retaliate by deploying a large force of niggers to China. Niggers will steal from whoever is around, so we can be certain they will steal from China. Furthermore, nigger crime tends to destabilize society, meaning that China will be weakened from within.

      Then you are in luck :-

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    3. Re:Spruce goose by fustakrakich · · Score: 1
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  2. Not as big as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...the Spruce Goose

    1. Re:Not as big as... by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      Not as good-looking either...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    2. Re:Not as big as... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Hercules H-4 "Spruce Goose" (Hughes never liked that nickname) is not amphibious, it was a pure seaplane, while this Chinese aircraft is amphibious and it is the largest of its type.

      Thats why the summary starts with "China has completed production of the world's largest amphibious aircraft"...

    3. Re:Not as big as... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Informative

      Funny, the headline I'm looking at right now says, "Chinese State Company Unveils World's Largest Seaplane".

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    4. Re:Not as big as... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Informative

      Headlines can be wrong. Cant blame the Chinese for someone else fucking up a Slashdot submission or a news article, especially when the Chinese *government* press release doesn't use the same "worlds largest seaplane" language anywhere in it...

    5. Re:Not as big as... by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      The Hercules H-4 "Spruce Goose" (Hughes never liked that nickname) is not amphibious, it was a pure seaplane, while this Chinese aircraft is amphibious and it is the largest of its type.

      Thats why the summary starts with "China has completed production of the world's largest amphibious aircraft"...

      https://science.slashdot.org/s...

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    6. Re:Not as big as... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Hughes never liked that nickname

      Probably because it wasn't made of spruce. I think it was probably made of a hardwood like birch mich like the de Havilland Mosquito.

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    7. Re: Not as big as... by Henriok · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The Russian Be-42 is also larger and is amphibious. This plane isn't largest anything however you slice and dice it. It's fuselage is suspiciously similar to Be-42 too.. China has a habit of building Russian aircraft with local modifications, like the wing and motors in this case.

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    8. Re:Not as big as... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And besides which, the H-4 was a one-off prototype that made one mile long flight at an altitude of just 20m. It's not clear if it would operate well higher up where there was no ground effect, or if it could carry its rated cargo capacity. And it hasn't flown since the 1940s, and isn't airworthy today, so it's stretching the definition of "aircraft in the world" a bit.

      Don't get me wrong, it was a really interesting aircraft and a marvel of engineering at the time, but you have to hand it to the Chinese that they have something that actually works and is for sale. It's not that US engineering is inferior, it's that the will to build such an aircraft for a fairly limited market isn't there. It reminds me of the attitude the west had in the 50s and 60s.

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    9. Re:Not as big as... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      And besides which, the H-4 was a one-off prototype that made one mile long flight at an altitude of just 20m. It's not clear if it would operate well higher up where there was no ground effect

      Some of the Ekranoplan ground effect vehicles can fly that high and they are probably larger. Not exactly aircraft though.

      I'm 90% convinced that the spruce goose was mostly war profiteering like a few other useless things at the time that we like to forget. Hughes was a "sharp businessman" after all.

    10. Re:Not as big as... by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      The Spruce Goose was a giant failure though. It couldn't fly above its ground effect, making it more an attempted aeroplane than an actual aircraft.

    11. Re: Not as big as... by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Only 2 of those were ever made... This thing is entering mass production.

    12. Re:Not as big as... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's wingspan is similar, but it's longer than the Spruce Goose. Do we have any crazy rich folks ready to make a commercial version that is larger, capable of landing on water and land, AND uses significant wood in it's construction?

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    13. Re:Not as big as... by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      In any case, it [the Chinese one] is surely the biggest seaplane that exists today.

      The Spruce Goose exists today.

    14. Re:Not as big as... by fnj · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's wingspan is similar, but it's longer than the Spruce Goose.

      On what planet is 38.8 meters "similar" to 99.5 meters? And no, 36.9 meters is not "longer" than 66.7 meters.

    15. Re:Not as big as... by neoritter · · Score: 1

      And in reportedly good condition.

    16. Re:Not as big as... by neoritter · · Score: 1

      Unsubstantiated, it only flew once on it's first test flight. There's no evidence that it couldn't fly higher.

    17. Re: Not as big as... by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Maybe.
      It reminds me of the R3Y which the US made in the 1950s. The airframe worked well but the engines let it down so less than 20 where built. And no it was not an amphibian but like the PBY if the engines had worked an amphibian version might have been made.
      Also take a look at the birdcage of struts on the tip floats. Those look like they would produce a ton of drag and look rather flimsy. They look a lot like the mounting for the PBM vs the much cleaner mountings on the P5M.
      The US doesn't build amphibians for SAR or ASW any longer because frankly they are a pain. Let's take a multi million dollar aircraft and dunk it in salt water. We use land based aircraft for search part of SAR and helicopters for the rescue part. A flying boat can only land to pick up people in calm seas anyway.
      Until they actually enter service you never know. The question is will it be worth it for China? Do they have a lot of forest fires? Do they have areas with many lakes where building airfields is too expensive like Russia and Canada does in the tundra? Do they need this big and expensive of a water bomber and SAR aircraft?

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    18. Re:Not as big as... by tsqr · · Score: 1

      You're right, of course. But the Hughes H-4 was not an amphibious airplane. TFS has a misleading headline; the Chinese aircraft is the largest amphibious aircraft, not the largest seaplane.

    19. Re: Not as big as... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      The Be-42 is supposedly back in production as well.

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    20. Re: Not as big as... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I think that has been superseded.

      Overall the Chinese design is way behind the times. I can't tell if they're just trying to be different or what.

      I also like how China is dealing with its smog problem by keeping it indoors

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    21. Re:Not as big as... by kimvette · · Score: 1

      It's also worth noting that the H-4 was never flown above its ground effect so flightworthiness was never proven.

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    22. Re: Not as big as... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's an aircraft. The shape is dictated by physics. Not everything in China is a copy.

      If you want to explore this idea though, I'd point out that the current Ford Fiesta looks like a cheap imitation of a Honda crossed with a Hitachi power drill. I doubt Ford stole the design though, they just took inspiration from similar cars and had their hand somewhat forced by things like European safety regs dictating how much distance between the engine block and the bonnet there has to be.

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    23. Re:Not as big as... by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      "Seaplane" is ambiguous. At least as far as the FAA is concerned, any airplane that can operate on water is a seaplane.

    24. Re: Not as big as... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      LOLWUT? There's nothing similar about those two planes, completely different layouts, even the fuselages are completely different

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    25. Re:Not as big as... by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Or maybe because it wasn't made out of goose.

    26. Re: Not as big as... by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      The US already has a few 747 waterbombers http://fireaviation.com/tag/74... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      And DC-10 water tankers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      And C-130 water tankers and P-3 water tankers and S-2 water tankers....

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    27. Re:Not as big as... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      The Spruce Goose also used significant glue holding that wood together. Not sure which there was more of in the structure, glue or wood.

      Who cares - sniff enough of it and you'll achieve lift-off.

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    28. Re:Not as big as... by rpstrong · · Score: 1

      Well, it's different in metric.

    29. Re: Not as big as... by rpstrong · · Score: 1

      I think that has been superseded.

      No, not by around 20 feet in either length or width.

  3. Largest by what measure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Largest by what measure? Largest currently in production? Largest wingspan? Longest? Biggest range? Biggest cargo capacity?

    This plane has a length of 37 meters and a wingspan of 39 meters. The Blohm & Voss BV 238 had a length of over 43 meters and a wingspan of over 60 meters! And that was in WWII.

    Even TFA discounts that title, saying:

    However, its wingspan is considerably smaller than that of the H-4 Hercules, known as the Spruce Goose, which was designed in the 1940s to carry Allied troops into battle. It is regarded as by far the largest seaplane ever built although it only ever made one flight, in 1947.

    1. Re: Largest by what measure? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Maybe largest as in that all the other flightworthy things are smaller?

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    2. Re:Largest by what measure? by Kapiti+Kid · · Score: 3, Informative

      What about the Martin Mars? Used as a water bomber in the US. Wingspan of 61 m. Drops 27 tonnes of water. This Chinese thing has a wingspan of 37 m and drops 12 tonnes of water. I think I know which is biggest, and it isn't the AG600.

    3. Re: Largest by what measure? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The word "amphibious" has a lot of weight here - neither the BV238 nor the Hercules "Spruce Goose" was amphibious (both were seaplanes or flying boats, depending on the terminology used), so the claim is accurate.

    4. Re:Largest by what measure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      There's only one Martin Mars still flying, and the current owners are trying to sell it. There's also at least one other that is flight worthy, but that is supposed to be transferred to the NAA museum. This new aircraft (37m) is actually bigger than the Martin Mars (35.74m) in length. The Mars was bigger in wingspan, but with more power, and hopefully reliability, from turboprop engines, such a large wingspan is not necessary for the new aircraft.

      It's only slightly larger, and with the same water tank capacity as a Russian Beriev Be-200, which has the advantage of higher top speed for dealing with fires with no nearby water sources. However the new Chinese aircraft has far greater range which allows for more linger time and a larger number of loads before refuelling, which is extremely useful for dealing with spot fire conditions, where you don't need huge water capacity per drop. For single large fires, you're probably better off combining this with a much larger water tanker like a 747-400 supertanker, where the supertanker takes on the main fire front, while the AG-600 assists with, or deals with secondary spot fires that have grown too large for helicopters to deal with.

      One of the articles makes clear that they meant that this was the largest amphibious aircraft currently in development, though it probably ties with the Martin for the crown of the largest operational amphibious aircraft when it is released.

    5. Re:Largest by what measure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ignore the last bit, I confused myself, the Martin Mars is a seaplane. It'll tie with the Beriev Be-200 for water drop capacity though.

    6. Re: Largest by what measure? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I hate all rice niggers and curry niggers. I hate faggots, too. But I'm not a bigot and I'm not racist. There's nothing bigoted or racist in this post, either.

      Seriously, fuck off with that shit. I'm not being offensive but you really are a vile cunt.

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    7. Re:Largest by what measure? by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      I can see this debate will never be resolved, so perhaps we can qualify it as "The largest four-engined turboprop seaplane whose model number begins with an AG built by a Chinese company between the years 2014 and 2017". That should do it.

    8. Re:Largest by what measure? by NotAPK · · Score: 4, Informative

      He he, nice one!

      Actually, reviewing the comments posted there seem to actually be some nice aircraft listed. Here's a summary, from longest to shortest fuselage length:

      Hughes H-4 Hercules "Spruce Goose"
      Origin: USA
      Length: 218 ft 8 in (66.65 m)
      Seaplane only, not amphibious, not in production.

      Saunders Row Princess
      Origin: UK
      Length: 148 ft (45 m)
      Seaplane only, not amphibious, not in production.

      Beriev A-40
      Origin: Russia
      Length: 143 ft 10in (43.84 m)
      Amphibious, not in production, though production may be re-started.

      AVIC TA-600 [THIS STORY'S SUBJECT]
      Origin: China
      Length: 121 ft 1 in (36.9 m)
      Amphibious, in production.

      Martin Mars
      Origin: USA
      Length: 117 ft 3 in (35.74 m)
      Seaplane only, not amphibious, not in production.

      Beriev Be-200
      Origin: Russia
      Length: 105 ft (32.0 m)
      Amphibious, in production

    9. Re:Largest by what measure? by NotAPK · · Score: 1

      Sorry, forgot the Dornier:

      Dornier DO X
      Origin: Germany
      Length: 131 ft 4 in (40 m) X2 model was supposed to be "larger"
      Seaplane only, not amphibious.

    10. Re:Largest by what measure? by NotAPK · · Score: 1

      Hang on, sorry to keep posting, but there is another Chinese amphibious plane that is bigger than this one. So in no way, shape, or form, is this plane the "largest" of anything by any stretch.

      Harbin SH-5
      Origin: China
      Length: 127 ft 7 in (38.9 m)
      Amphibious, still in operation, 7 built.

  4. Re: Slant eyes are a serious threat to the free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Fascinating. The moderators have downmodded all of the posts using the word 'nigger' because it's an ethnic slur. However, the post in between uses 'cracker', which is also an ethnic slur, and hasn't been downmodded. Apparently if you use ethnic slurs for blacks, it's not tolerated. However, it looks like moderators are okay with ethnic slurs for whites. It appears that the moderators are racist.

  5. Spruce Goose was larger in 1947! by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 1


    What is this? a technicality? -will they say it's the "largest current production seaplane"?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hughes_H-4_Hercules

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    1. Re:Spruce Goose was larger in 1947! by jcr · · Score: 1

      It's not that, either. The Martin Mars can take off from runways, too.

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    2. Re:Spruce Goose was larger in 1947! by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Only a handful of those were ever produced, and only one or two are even airworthy at this point.

    3. Re:Spruce Goose was larger in 1947! by jewens · · Score: 1

      If you can walk away after landing an SR-71 on the water then you might want to check your head for a crown of thorns.

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  6. Re:The Peoples Plane!! by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    When a country has People's in the name, it generally doesn't mean all of them. Far from it.

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  7. What is this final countdown? by m76 · · Score: 1

    Did I wake up for the 1930s? I thought interest in giant seaplanes died out after WW2.

  8. Firefighting & Rescue by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    So it's designed for firefighting & rescue. Nice to see it's intended for a beneficial use. And who doesn't believe that? After all there's absolutely no reason at all that the Chinese might want to transport things like military equipment to places where there are no long-runway airfields but plenty of water.

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    1. Re:Firefighting & Rescue by LWATCDR · · Score: 2

      Beneficial is in the eye of the user. An A-10 is really benefical if you are in the US military and are pinned down by enemy fire.

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    2. Re:Firefighting & Rescue by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      It can also put out fires with slugs of depleted uranium.

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    3. Re:Firefighting & Rescue by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Ah. That would explain the total absence of PBY Catalinas in that theatre during WW2.

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    4. Re:Firefighting & Rescue by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      PBYs spent about 99% of the time in the air for just this reason

      No aircraft of that time was capable of that. Do you know how much maintenance engines needed?

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  9. Firefighting? by jratcliffe · · Score: 2

    Yup, I'm sure this thing was built for fighting forest fires and marine rescue. I bet it can also pick up the occasional manganese nodule.

    1. Re:Firefighting? by jcr · · Score: 1

      Why would anyone use an aircraft for ocean mining? Boats are vastly cheaper.

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  10. Re:Slant eyes are a serious threat to the free wor by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    Racist idiot

  11. Not the largest. by jcr · · Score: 2

    This plane's wingspan is only 151 feet. The Hughes Hercules has a wingspan of 218 feet. The Martin Mars has a wingspan of 200 feet, and it's still in use for firefighting operations in Canada.

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  12. Boats that can fly by swb · · Score: 1

    Sea planes are mostly planes that can use water as a takeoff and landing surface, but don't generally operate on the water as seagoing vessels.

    Has anyone ever built sort of the opposite, a vessel that can fly but has some designed in ability to stay on the water more in the manner of a boat?

    Maybe with gas turbines for electric generation, electric motor props and a electric pod drives retractable into the fuselage for marine propulsion?

    Perhaps the engineering is too complex or it would do neither job well enough to be worthwhile, but it seems like there may be some interesting niches where rapid access to a remote ocean location is desirable but where there's some task needed where loitering and maneuvering on the surface of the water is desirable in ways or for time periods that an airplane isn't useful.

    1. Re:Boats that can fly by fnj · · Score: 1

      Anything lightweight enough to fly is much too flimsy to navigate the open ocean. A Boeing 747 has a skin gauge of 1.8-2.2 mm, and is lightweight aluminum. The hull plating of the Titanic was 18.75 mm of solid steel.

      And the speed and range on water would only be a tiny fraction of the speed and range in the air, anyway. That said, flying boats do have the ability to float around for extended periods if they have to (like if they break down), and they can taxi clumsily on the surface. A Catalina landed on the water to aid survivors of the USS Indianapolis. It picked up too many men to be able to take off again, so it floated with the survivors until surface vessels could be summoned to complete the rescue.

    2. Re:Boats that can fly by PPH · · Score: 1

      Is something like this what you had in mind?

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  13. Re:The Peoples Plane!! by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Communism seems like a good idea in theory. However human instinct comes into play.
    A perfectly Equal world where everyone shares their talents for the greater good, doesn't have really work.
    There will alway be people who want more power and more status. It is mostly a genetic trait, as the Alpha Males will want to mate with the Alpha Women, so both sides will do things to prove their dominance. So there will always be some people who have a disproportionate amount of power over others.
    The trick with a government structure it to insure there is appropriate upward mobility path (Otherwise natural Alpha People, will start revolutions so they get their Alpha status vindicated). Also to insure that non-alphas are not allowed to diminish.
    China has been slowly adding additional Capitalism into its structure allowing more upward mobility, thus keeping the current government in control.
    Smaller governments can keep Communism running in its more pure form for longer (Cuba, North Korea) as the lower population is more able to control. However USSR, and China who where the big names in communism, only lasted for a few generations until the people found out that they were not growing as fast as they should.
    Now Capitalism and Representative Democracy has its problems too. Most notability it doesn't give the non-Alphas much of a safety net, and they could fall hard and live a much lower quality of life. However there is still optimism that it is possible to break out of the poverty chain. While Many communist countries are more or less resigned to their status in life.

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  14. Re:The Peoples Plane!! by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    People. Democratic, Republic... In short terms that try to sound Nationalistic makes me worried.
    In America.
    PATRIOT act
    Homeland Security
    * Freedom *

    These are terms that make me very worried because they imply that if you are against it, than you are not a proper American.

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  15. Re:Slant eyes are a serious threat to the free wor by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    Remember that Chinese kid in your math and physics classes, the one who never spoke to anyone and always got 100% on all the tests while you were busy getting drunk and high in college? Well, there you go.

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  16. Re: Slant eyes are a serious threat to the free by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    Logic fail. The boolean state EITHER OR exists only in your mind.

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  17. Re: At around the size of a Boeing 737 by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    The European, not the African version.

  18. less than half the size of the Spruce Goose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    300 ft wingspan for the Hercules H4 (Spruce Goose).. 113 ft for the 737 (used for comparison).

    Howard Hughes is amused.

  19. Re: At around the size of a Boeing 737 by Niddix · · Score: 1

    But then of course African 737's are non-migratory.

  20. It is only the size of 737 by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    It is not very big. 737 fuselages will fit in, and are transported by flat bed rail cars.

    True 737 is not amphibious, but an airbus of similar size successfully landed in the Hudson. Piloted by Salty Cheeseburger or someone named like that.

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  21. Bigger than the DO-X? by boristdog · · Score: 1

    My favorite seaplane:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    1. Re:Bigger than the DO-X? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Haha look at that big ridiculous thing, it's glorious! XD

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  22. Re:The Peoples Plane!! by tburkhol · · Score: 1

    Communism seems like a good idea in theory. However human instinct comes into play.

    Same can be said of literally every governmental or economic structure. They're all based on everyone adhering to some idealized psychology that always has exceptions. Capitalism is based on the ideas that people will act rationally, in their own self-interest. This is great for selfish bastards, and selfish bastards tend to rise to the top in that system. Look at Washington and Wall Street, and tell me whether you think it's a good plan to put selfish bastards in charge.

  23. Re: Slant eyes are a serious threat to the free by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    It's one of those words that is usually intended to be offensive, so probably best avoided unless you want to be misunderstood, even if there isn't quite the same history associated with it as there is with "nigger". In any case, the GP just got their dig in a bit too early. Moderation takes time, and a few minutes after they posted the cracker remark was down at -1 too.

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  24. Pan Am and Boeing beat them in the 30's by TigerPlish · · Score: 1

    The article states this Chinese plane is roughly the size of a 737, which is given in wikipedia as having a wingspan of 117 ft with winglets, and a length of 138 ft max, both of those numbers for the 737 NG.

    Back in the late 30's, Pan Am and BOAC flew the Boeing 314 Clipper.

    Boeing 314 had wingspan of 152 ft, length of 106 ft, cruise of 163 kts, range of 3,685 miles at cruise. 11 crew, 74 passengers.

    OK so it's not pressurized, it cruised at 163 kts and may not even be the largest flying boat made - but this one flew for airlines and made money, unlike the Hughes Hercules. One of them did an unintended round-the-world flight.. on December 7, 1941. Pacific Clipper. It was born California Clipper but renamed after that impromptu round-the-world flight.

    As an aside trivia, Pan Am did later launch in 1947 two round-the-worlds that persisted into the Jet Age and kept doing it until Pan Am was dismembered in a futile attempt to survive. The round-the-worlds were Flight 1 (Clipper 1) westbound, Flight 2 (Clipper 2) eastbound. Initially they were done with Lockheed Constellations.

    Is the Chinese one actually flying, or is it vaporware?

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  25. Re: Slant eyes are a serious threat to the free by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    It's one of those words that is usually intended to be offensive

    Nah, it's not words that are offensive. It's people who want an excuse to be offended. When I grew up, the infamous "n" word was a very bad word indeed. You didn't say that word unless you wanted to be seen as racist and probably gutter trash. Conversely - many black people use that word among each other in an almost automatic fashion without meaning any offense. Comedians, also, manage to use that word and get away with it. So apparently the word is polymorphic - sometimes it's offensive, sometimes it's friendly, sometimes it's even funny.

    Wrong. Words are just words. They have no magical properties. It's actions that people should be judged by.

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  26. Re:ShinMeiwa US-2 by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Similar layout, but nowhere near "exactly."

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  27. Re: Slant eyes are a serious threat to the free by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    That's what I said... Maybe you didn't parse it or something, but my point was the same as yours. It's the intent that matters, and to a lesser extent the fact that people are likely to assume bad intent if you say certain notorious things.

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  28. Re: Slant eyes are a serious threat to the free by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    Maybe you didn't parse it or something,

    Probably. I'm an old fart and I read much too quickly nowadays when it's "mission critical" stuff. Like internet posts on boards. Glad to see we agree :P

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  29. Don't mess with China by NewYork · · Score: 1

    China supplies 80% medicines
    http://m.bbc.com/news/business...