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Trump Calls For Russia To Cyber-Invade the United States To Find Clinton's 'Missing' Emails (gawker.com)
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump publicly called on the Russian hackers allegedly responsible for the recent leak of DNC emails to launch another cyber-attack on the United States, this time to hack emails from Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of State, according to reporters who attended the press conference Wednesday. (Alternate source: NYTimes, Quartz, and MotherJones) "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing," Trump said. "I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press."
Clinton came under investigation for her use of a personal email address while serving as secretary of state. After turning over to the FBI all correspondence about government business during her years in the State Department, Clinton revealed at a press conference last year that she had deleted about half of her emails that pertained to personal matters, like her daughter's wedding. Attorney General Loretta Lynch ultimately decided not to pursue criminal charges against Clinton. Update: Here's a video of Trump saying that.
Clinton came under investigation for her use of a personal email address while serving as secretary of state. After turning over to the FBI all correspondence about government business during her years in the State Department, Clinton revealed at a press conference last year that she had deleted about half of her emails that pertained to personal matters, like her daughter's wedding. Attorney General Loretta Lynch ultimately decided not to pursue criminal charges against Clinton. Update: Here's a video of Trump saying that.
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Asking foreing nations to attack US... what a douche
What's low about this is that the primary source they cite is Gawker.
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Don't shoot the messenger. Trump might be an incompetent maniac, that much isnt news. Him calling out for a vaguelly hostile foreign power to break into the communications of what was at the time of the mails, the highest level diplomatic and security agent in the country, is malevolent, dangerous and definately news
Excuse the Unicode crap in my posts. That's an apostrophe, and slashdot is busted.
But nothing she sent on that server was classified, right?
I mean, classified at the time, riight?
I mean, marked classified at the time, riiight?!?!?
So you don't think the Republican candidate for the Presidency of the US inviting a foreign power, one that is at the best of times in a rather tense relationship with the United States, to hack into US systems just to gain dirt on the other party's nominee is reasonable?
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A presidential candidate, asking a foreign country to attack us for his personal gain, and we ask if this is treason?! Wow, if this isn't nothing is.
This is just Trump using his standard campaign tactic, if your opponent is getting a good media cycle (ie the DNC generating good speeches and endorsements) then say something crazy and outrageous to take all the media attention.
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Sounds like a form of Treason if true. Inviting a foreign nation tho cyber-attack America and/or Americans... can;t believe people actually are willing to vote for this piece of garbage
It was not only obviously a joke, but he suggested the hack could also be China or some other private hacker.
He also said that Russia and China have no respect for the United States.
Finally, fuck any link to Gawker. Slashdot deserves much better than this, even if such a ridiculous leading headline will falsely stoke the Hillary supporters without any further context. I mean, what's next? "Hillary shit herself regularly..." (...at one year old)?
All he did was speak an opinion in public. If that's not what the first amendment protects, I don't know what it does protect.
Correction: Clinton violated our national security, Trump is asking the hackers who broke into the DNC to find those deleted emails.
First of all, the situation in Russia has changed over the past 4 years. Russia has gotten worse.
But that's irrelevant. There is a huge difference between not worrying about Russia and inviting them to attack us. If you can't tell the difference, then you are a fool.
I don't have to worry about my neighbor, but I am not going to dare them to break into my house and check my daughter's diary.
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Correction: Clinton violated our national security,
So did Dick Cheney when he outed an undercover CIA agent for political payback. I don't see you whining about that breach of national security.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Russian leadership is exactly the same now as it was in 2012 when it was ridiculous to worry about them.
How is this working with? It's challenging them. The fact that those e-mails even exist should be the bigger story.
Your biases have blinded you to the fact that this was humor. I admit that I laughed when I read the story today. This is the same joke my colleagues in Germany have been making to me for the last couple of years ("we don't make backups anymore, if we lose data, we'll just ask you to call the NSA so they can send us their copy")
Trump is a walking train wreck, but your apolplexy over this is just as ridiculous as his candidacy.
What part of "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand?
OH c'mob, lighten up Francis....
He's only saying something that MANY folks have been jokingly been saying since they first released the DNC emails....
I've heard numerous folks joking and saying "well, hell, if the US govt can't find the missing emails, maybe these Russian chaps can...."
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
Sounds like a form of Treason if true.
No, it sounds like a fairly typical Trump sarcastic joke/jab.
Trump: "Oh yeah, let's just support the terrorists by pretending they don't exist."
Headline on CNN 20 minutes later: "Trump Supports Ignoring Terrorism"
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
This is one of the most dangerous things about Trump. He says a ton of things. His supporters filter out the things they don't like and just say "Oh, he was joking. He doesn't really believe that." You can pick and choose from Trump's statements and pretty much build your ideal candidate no matter what your political views if you're right of center. However, the stuff that gets ignored as "That's just Trump being Trump" isn't throwaway material. It's a pattern of reckless speech at best and advocating some really scary proposals at worst.
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Sounds like a form of Treason if true. Inviting a foreign nation tho cyber-attack America and/or Americans... can;t believe people actually are willing to vote for this piece of garbage
US Constitution, Article III, Section 3: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."
If you thing saying, "Russia, I hope you find the missing emails" is to treason, you probably think saying, "I hope this person dies" is murder.
The GOP presidential candidate is encouraging a hostile foreign power to intrude into US government data systems in the hopes of revealing evidence Clinton may have acted contrary to the interests of the United States. Have I got this right?
Actually, I think the responses to Trump's comments actually need a "woosh".
He's being unpresidential, but what he's really saying is that: maybe those emails aren't as lost as they would like everyone to believe. Which is to say that if people with the right skills, an inability to be arrested by the government, and a lack of interest in keeping Hillary out of trouble were looking, perhaps they would magically appear.
Just like: maybe the Democratic National Committee wasn't quite as unbiased as they said they were, but no one could prove that... until they could.
Many people think that Russia putting up Edward Snowden is helping out someone who helped America. Do those same people believe Snowden is a traitor for making use of Russia's good graces? Does anyone believe Russia is doing it to help out the cause of civil rights in America?
Of course they're not in it to help us out, but perhaps they might be helping out America in the long term by helping someone who dropped some short term troubles on us.
In this case, calling Trump a "traitor" is missing the point, since I imagine many, if not most of the people calling him a traitor think that Edward Snowden is a great guy. Even though I dislike Trump and just about everything about his campaign, I can see that this is just a little bit too easy and self-serving a distinction between the two.
The point is, if Russia finds something that destabilizes the USA by actually finding the truth, is that good or bad? I don't want Trump to win, but I don't want to excuse Clinton simply because the other option is somewhat worse. Its sort of like picking death by hanging or firing squad. Sometimes a choice isn't really a choice.
In any case, it's all theoretical. I'm sure Clinton had real experts delete those emails, as opposed to the amateur hour IT that got her in trouble to begin with. If anything, the Clintons do seem to come through in the clutch when there's an investigation in the works.
The New York Times isn't a governmental agency or a Presidential candidate. Those are held to different standards than the media. And the New York Times didn't call on foreign hackers to instigate an attack on a government server to get material - they published the results of the hack. Legally grey? Probably, but it could be argued that this falls under the leeway that is given to the media to help keep government honest. An active Presidential candidate calling upon a foreign power to target his opponent by attacking federal government computer systems, though? That's much, much worse.
I'm not sure if this rises to "treason" levels of bad, but it's certainly very bad.
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Except that at that level, if your joke starts with 'If the Russians are listening...' it's not funny anymore. It's dangerous.
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Yup. Let us find a candidate running for president who has most likely committed treason. Trump is the obvious answer. Right?
Welcome to Bizarro World, where the person who makes a joke about Russia hacking emails is a traitor, and a person who takes a bribe to supply uranium to Russia is a hero.
Like knowingly allowing soldiers and an Ambassador to die in Benghazi and then blaming it all on a Youtube video?
That also is not treason.
Not only is it not treason, it didn't happen.
At some point addressing the 'treason' argument gives a pass to the basic distortion of the facts behind the argument. Nobody 'allowed' soldiers and an Ambassador to die. Some pretty extensive security arrangements proved to be not secure enough. Nobody's best moment, but a far cry from 'allowing' people to die. And going on talk shows and saying "at this point, we think this happened as part of a protest over a YouTube video" is also a far cry from "blaming it all on a YouTube video". It's more "we don't have all the facts yet - there are rumors that we're looking into". All I can say is the OP statement about treason is way more of a blatant lie than "I didn't send emails marked classified" - which turned out to be pretty much true (in an 'exception that proves the rule' kind of way). But why let the nuanced facts get in the way of a stupid political diatribe...
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If you're concerned with real treason then you can't vote for Clinton.
If the US government fails to care about blatant disregard of law because...it's a Clinton and she's a Democrat...then perhaps it's legitimate to appeal to other state-level actors to help throw aside the veil of secrecy?
At what point are the people of the US entitled to recognize that their government directly serves the interests of a small coterie of oligarchs, and try to work around it?
Again, let's recall:
"I don't have a private email server"
"It was only private and family correspondence"
"Well nothing secret went on that server"
"Nothing I knew was secret was on that server"
"Nothing ACTUALLY MARKED SECRET was on that server"
and then, after at least a week of denials, a carefully vetted pile of emails was 'given' to the FBI/DOJ and there were STILL secret things found in the correspondence.
And yet, the response from half the electorate and most of the major news organizations is "What me worry?" and "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy*"
*now including Red Scare 2016(tm)
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I'm pretty sure Russia (a nation ran by perfect gentlemen), will only hack when requested to do so... after all we live in a civilized age right?
Trump knows darn well Russia OWNED that server, the damage is done, he was not the one who screwed our nations security by standing up that server, or the one that used it.
His statement is for shock factor and is merely drawing attention to the fact that Hilary has still gotten away with this whole thing. It seems we must call upon our "enemies" to expose the dirty laundry of the "untouchable".
What if by exposing those emails, we discover that Hillary has in fact crossed so many lines, that there is no doubt that allowing her to be president would make hacking our governments email seem like posting a secret family chocolate chip recipe in comparison.
Translation: I'm ignoring the idiocy of Trump's statement, and inventing a rationale that allows me to not feel like a contemptible moron for supporting the man.
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Yes yes yes. Whenever Trump says something so blindingly idiotic it always is handwaved away as a joke... Unless of course the audience eats it up. You know, like making Mexico pay for a big wall, something Trump has no power to do, but because it gets idiots like yourself to jump up and down like five year olds in a blow-up castle, well, yay Trump meant it!
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Valarie Plame was not a "undercover" agent. And Dick Cheney didn't out her, it was a well known secret.
The ONLY people offended by her "outing" were people who hate Cheney. Hate him all you want, just don't do it for this, it is a non-issue. I also find it simply amazing that this is a huge deal to certain people, while at the same time, those same people are voting Clinton, who has done much much worse.
Clinton exposed classified information by accident, and through a channel she (wrongly) felt was secure.
Libby deliberately leaked classified information to the press as part of a political smear job.
There's a vast difference.
Now I don't know that Cheney had anything to do with it, he may have explicitly ordered it, he may have created a culture where it was expected, or he may have stopped the idea dead in its tracks if he'd only been told about it.
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The Russians largely created the corruption scandal. It appears that some of the emails may have been tampered with, and the timing of the release is clearly intended to interfere in the US democratic process.
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As opposed to waiting six months at a time for Clinton to even hold a press conference (it's been that long - that's how scared she is of her own supporting media) and then knowing, based on years of examples, that quite a bit of what she says are bald-faced lies? And, you're not scared of HER scary proposals? She's gleefully in favor of infringing on constitutionally protected rights, supports nationally self-destructive immigration policies, and wants to see the government involved in wildly more private sector activities, at both the business and personal level. She also "says a ton of things," but because it's done in that focus-group-tuned, calculating Clinton way, it's actually a lot more sinister.
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It absolutely was tongue in cheek. Trump deftly took the embarrassing story about the hacked DNC e-mails, blew another day's worth of life into it, and used it as a touchstone to circle back and remind everyone about that OTHER famous e-mail server. He did this by taking the EEEEEVIL boogeyman of THE RUSSIANS! which the DNC tried to use to deflect away from the *contents* of the hacked e-mails, and made it all about Hillary again, when yesterday it was about Wasserman-Schultz. Of course, those 30,000 e-mails he is referencing are the ones that were supposed to be about yoga pants and Chelsea's weddings plans. So if they are really a matter of national security and we don't want the Russkies to see them, why were they deleted...? "Thank you for playing, Mrs. Clinton."
It's brilliant political jiu-jitsu. The thing is, I get the impression he or his team doesn't stay up late and plan it out this way, it's just some kind of natural squirrely viciousness he possesses.
First off the server doesn't exist any more - remember, it was 'wiped' (no, not 'with a towel')
When the server existed, Hillary told us it was never hacked, so there can't be anyone that has copies of her emails.
If the 30,000 deleted emails were copied off the server before it was wiped, we know it doesn't include any 'work-related' emails, because Team Hillary took 2 years and only deleted non-work related emails, like pictures of her granddaughter and yoga routines.
Please explain how making Hillary's yoga routines and granddaughter pictures are matters of national security, and if they truly are, it makes the Republican's case that housing such sensitive material on an insecure private server was, at the minimum, a grossly irresponsible thing to do.
The issue is, has been, and always will be her decision to conduct 100% of her work while Secretary of State on an insecure private email server.
But please, stop trying to convince Americans that asking someone to share Hillary's self-described non-work related emails is an act of treason - you just sound stupid.