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Clinton Campaign Breached By Hackers

An anonymous reader writes: Hillary Clinton's campaign network was breached by hackers targeting several large Democratic organizations, Reuters reports. Clinton's campaign spokesperson Nick Merrill confirmed the hack in a statement. 'An analytics data program maintained by the DNC, and used by our campaign and a number of other entities, was accessed as part of the DNC hack. Our campaign computer system has been under review by outside security experts. To date, they have found no evidence that our internal systems have been compromised,' he said.

The hack follows on the heels of breaches at the Democratic National Committee and at the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee earlier this year. More than 19,000 emails from DNC officials were published on WikiLeaks just prior to the Democratic National Convention, casting a shadow over the proceedings. Some security experts and U.S. officials have attributed the breaches to Russian operatives, although the origin of the email leak is less certain.

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  1. Oh No! All those Yoga Routines Stolen! by LittleBigScript · · Score: 1, Funny

    I blame the hack on a Youtube video.

    1. Re:Oh No! All those Yoga Routines Stolen! by AlphaBro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let's ignore the emails about rigging the election and instead focus on how these hackers are trying to rig the election.

  2. Untouchable criminal by rfengr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That criminal witch is untouchable, so I don't see the point of further hacks. She should be headed to prison instead of the White House.

    1. Re:Untouchable criminal by bobthesungeek76036 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Stop acting as if she killed someone...

      2012 Benghazi attack...

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    2. Re:Untouchable criminal by skids · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Stop watching movies and thinking they are real.

    3. Re:Untouchable criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the hate crimes Trump is spouting every times he open his dirty mouth.

      So saying things some people don't like (while lacking any immediate calls for violence)... is now considered a hate crime?

      Truly the SJW's have won the cultural war... if you are right... which thankfully you are not.

    4. Re:Untouchable criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You want to "rule" over me? Are you willing to use force of arms to attain this goal?

      There isn't a chance in hell I will allow my children to be "ruled" by anyone.

    5. Re:Untouchable criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That criminal witch is untouchable, so I don't see the point of further hacks. She should be headed to prison instead of the White House.

      Hillary was careless with sensitive information and a small amount of classified information. No one is going to prosecute for that. If you had listened to the FBI report, you would understand why. Prosecuting her for that would literally be treating your political enemies different than everyone else. It is bad enough that we do live in one where you can waste millions of tax payer dollars to try to find some law that can be used to attack your political enemies. You sir, want to destroy democracy completely by locking up your political enemies. It is bad enough that Trump is practically encouraging violence at times. This prison meme is just flat out wrong. It is trying to short out any kind of rational discourse by simply encouraging mob hatred. Hell, I just heard a trump campaign rally where they were all shouting, "Lock her up!". It takes so very little to go from that to someone trying to take action and he encourages it.

      What is just as bad is Trump is encouraging a foreign government to intervene and help him win the election. That is so far beyond the pale as to be totally unforgiveable and instantly disqualifying. American politics should stop at the border. No government should be permitted to influence them. He should be denouncing this intervention in the strongest terms, yet since they serve him, he smiles and asks for them to keep helping him, and then pretends that he was only kidding. Personally, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he owes some Russian banks a ton of money, and that is what is in his tax returns. It certainly would explain their support. They may have already compromised him. For that matter, I wonder who he doesn't owe money to?

      Who are his creditors, for they are his true masters...

    6. Re:Untouchable criminal by skids · · Score: 4, Informative

      So Christopher Stevens, Sean Smith.Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty weren't killed there in large part due to Hillary?

      Nope, they were killed there. But not "in large part due to Hillary" except on your fantasy island.

    7. Re:Untouchable criminal by ogdenk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hateful speech is not a crime. This is not the EU. You can be a NeoNazi and drape your house in swastikas if you want. It's only a hate crime once you start gassing people or telling other people to do so.

    8. Re:Untouchable criminal by J053 · · Score: 4, Informative

      16 US embassies and/or consulates were attacked during GW Bush's presidency. 60 people were killed. There were NO congressional hearings. Double standard, much?

    9. Re:Untouchable criminal by jpapon · · Score: 1

      In fact, 46 people who were close to the Clintons have died during their 3 decades of political power.

      In what world is that weird? The Clintons must have had thousands of people working for them over the past 30+ years. That 46 of those people have died should surprise nobody.

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    10. Re:Untouchable criminal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      the hate crimes Trump is spouting every times he open his dirty mouth.

      So saying things some people don't like (while lacking any immediate calls for violence)... is now considered a hate crime?

      Truly the SJW's have won the cultural war... if you are right... which thankfully you are not.

      Extreme political correctness is the reason some people want to vote for Trump. He's extreme in the opposite direction.

    11. Re:Untouchable criminal by Bartles · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How many embassies were destroyed, and how many ambassadors were killed?

    12. Re:Untouchable criminal by Bartles · · Score: 2

      Are you saying warlock would be more appropriate?

    13. Re:Untouchable criminal by ogdenk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why? Because we don't jail people for thought crimes and believe everyone deserves a voice even if they're stupid? Since when is not liking people a crime?

      NeoNazis are ridiculed quite mercilessly here in the US. You have the freedom to say whatever you want. And people have the freedom to call you an irrational douchebag and wish that someone would kick your ass.

      It's called LIBERTY. We still have a little bit of that left in spite of the best efforts of "progressives" and SJW retards. If liberty scares you and you enjoy a nanny state that punishes people for being meanieheads, then enjoy the EU. A nanny state for your "protection" goes against the principles on which this country was founded. And nanny states are happy to turn on their own citizens eventually.

    14. Re:Untouchable criminal by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      There's country as a state and country as a people. The former is uncivilized if bigots are denied a voice and the latter is uncivilized if bigots are present.

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    15. Re:Untouchable criminal by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Informative

      You mean besides the part where the Benghazi embassy requested extra security and she along with her underlings said there wasn't any money for it? But they could come up with the money for electric car chargers for the embassies in Europe?

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    16. Re: Untouchable criminal by AlphaBro · · Score: 1

      It's not a hate crime, idiot. That's what you're missing here.

    17. Re:Untouchable criminal by RoccamOccam · · Score: 1

      Ack. Undoing moderation.

    18. Re:Untouchable criminal by AlphaBro · · Score: 1

      Pointless semantic games. That aside, bigotry is a natural property of mankind and will exist as long as people do. Get over it.

    19. Re:Untouchable criminal by RoccamOccam · · Score: 1

      You mean like committing treason by asking Russia to hack his opponents and then waving it off as sarcasm?

      Definitely not a Trump supporter, but I have to take issue with that statement. He didn't call for hacking, he said that they should "find" the missing emails. Since the server is already off-line, it's not there to be hacked.

      Presumably, he is suggesting that the server had probably already been hacked (maybe by any number of individuals or countries) and he thinks they could be found.

    20. Re: Untouchable criminal by ogdenk · · Score: 2

      LOL Freedom of speech is outrageous because people can't control themselves and need the gubmint to make sure people don't listen to harmful ideas and bad thoughts or it might turn them into violent monsters LOL

      I found the butthurt SJW! This is almost as fun as fishing. And yes, I sneer at those who invite tyranny into our lives.

      I know which side I'm on. And it's certainly not yours.

    21. Re:Untouchable criminal by quantaman · · Score: 1

      That criminal witch is untouchable, so I don't see the point of further hacks. She should be headed to prison instead of the White House.

      Using a non-governmental account wasn't unprecedented, or illegal.

      The illegal part was that classified information was occasionally sent on the servers, but there's no reason to think that was deliberate. High level State Department officials would constantly be dealing with information that was classified, but carried no indication of being classified. Any communication channel they regularly use was going to see the occasional classified document.

      That's why people who do what Hillary did, regardless of political influence, don't get charged and certainly don't go to jail.

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    22. Re:Untouchable criminal by Crashmarik · · Score: 4, Informative

      https://pjmedia.com/homeland-s...

      Hillary Obstructed Boko Haram's Terror Designation as Her Donors Cashed In
      In January 2015, I was one of the first to report on a massive massacre by Nigerian terror group Boko Haram in Borno State in northwest Nigeria, with reportedly thousands killed. Witnesses on the ground reported that bodies littered the landscape for miles as towns and villages had been burned to the ground, their populations murdered or fled.

      And yet, as Boko Haram began to ramp up its terror campaign in 2011 and 2012, Hillary Clinton obstructed the official terror designation of the group over the objections of Congress, the FBI, the CIA and the Justice Department.

      Nice deflection onto Bush. I gotta ask how is he running for office again and what the hell makes you think it absolves her sins.

    23. Re:Untouchable criminal by quantaman · · Score: 2

      You mean besides the part where the Benghazi embassy requested extra security and she along with her underlings said there wasn't any money for it? But they could come up with the money for electric car chargers for the embassies in Europe?

      WTF do electric car chargers have to do with security? Do you imagine that embassies must have "perfect" security and only then are the employees allowed to have chairs?

      I'm not even sure if they were making a tradeoff, there's an actual security budget which suggests the electric car chargers came from a completely different pool of money than security. (though I could see a valid security argument for the chargers)

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    24. Re:Untouchable criminal by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

      And nanny states are happy to turn on their own citizens eventually.

      Really? Which nanny states are you thinking of?

      Sweden? Denmark? -- No turning on citizens. Just improving their lot. Singapore? Yes it did ban bubble gum, but on the list of "turning on your own citizens" that seems pretty minor. UK? Yes it does have the same Orwellian surveillance of its own citizens as the US, but that's not really "turning on your own citizens" and it's not really associated with nanny states.

    25. Re:Untouchable criminal by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      WTF do electric car chargers have to do with security? Do you imagine that embassies must have "perfect" security and only then are the employees allowed to have chairs?

      Well let's look at it from an IT pov shall we? You'r UID is low enough you should get it. Imagine you've got two satellite offices, one is in a relatively stable, secure area where you can get away with simple keypad lockouts and the occasional guard. The other location is in a shit hole, there's roving bands of thugs and not only do you have heavy security you also have all the existing security.

      Now your nice safe office in order to look trendy in their new hip area wants 143 cappuccino and espresso machines, because that'll make them look good. And your other office wants more on the ground bodies and further hardening of the existing security measure to make sure your hardware is secure. So you decide that trendy and hip is the way to go, your other office gets trashed, people get killed and you just say "well there wasn't any money to help with that..." while you just finished spending several hundred thousand dollars for cappuccino and espresso machines.

      So the money was there, it could have been reallocated by dispensation to the security fund. But instead of doing that you're now responsible for the deaths of a couple of people, destruction of your hardware and other issues. And your response is: "what difference does it make?"

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    26. Re:Untouchable criminal by NotAPK · · Score: 1

      "American politics should stop at the border. No government should be permitted to influence them."

      The USA should definitely stay within its own border, and leave other governments well enough alone.

      I think this shit needs to end.

    27. Re:Untouchable criminal by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      That's not liberty. If you are a Jew, how can you enjoy your life, go freely about your business without fear if your neighbour's house is covered in swastikas?

      Besides, you are being selective. Even in America you can't turn your back yard into a sewage processing plant without a permit, because it's understood that when people have to live close together they can't have the freedom to do absolutely anything they want.

      The EU does far more to protect individual freedom.

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    28. Re:Untouchable criminal by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      Give it up. You will never win with any argument of logic or fact when they excuse political incompetence with Bush did it. We know for a fact that help wasn't sent for fears of the political fallout but that isn't important. Sitting on your hands and doing nothing while American officials are being killed is somehow justifiably because under different circumstances Bush did it.

    29. Re:Untouchable criminal by ogdenk · · Score: 2

      That's not liberty. If you are a Jew, how can you enjoy your life, go freely about your business without fear if your neighbour's house is covered in swastikas?

      Because assaulting and killing people is still considered a crime. Being offensive isn't.

      Besides, you are being selective. Even in America you can't turn your back yard into a sewage processing plant without a permit, because it's understood that when people have to live close together they can't have the freedom to do absolutely anything they want.

      That would actually be a public health risk and put the property of others at risk of being contaminated. Now if you live in a rural area, this would be less of an issue.

      The EU does far more to protect individual freedom.

      No, not at all. If you can be cited for offending people, speaking out against religion, being insulting or owning defensive weapons.... you are not free. You do not have an inherent right to be shielded from offensive ideas or to never have your feelings hurt.

    30. Re:Untouchable criminal by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      What is just as bad is Trump is encouraging a foreign government to intervene and help him win the election. That is so far beyond the pale as to be totally unforgiveable and instantly disqualifying.

      Did you actually listen to the speech where he said this, or just your Democratic Information Masters? It's blatantly obvious it's totally tongue in cheek if you actually listen to it. Trump says a lot of stupid stuff; why don't you attack the stuff that he's serious about, rather than jokes?

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    31. Re: Untouchable criminal by Feyshtey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who decides what is hate speech? You? Hillary? Obama?

      I tell you what, I think it's hurtful and mean to say that I have white privilege. I believe that I am being singled out purely based on the color of my skin and it being assumed that because of that skin color I am somehow a hazard to society. I think it's further hateful and harmful that I am assumed to be misogynistic because I have a penis. Based purely on my gender I am assumed to be a destructive element to society. I believe that the terms "white privilege" and "male-dominated" are micro-aggressions, that they are racist and sexist generalizations, and by every comparative definition to anyone that chants them while quite literally RIOTING in the streets, they are undeniably guilty of hate speech.

      Where is your outrage for harms done me?
      Where is your campaign slogan to protect me from the wildfire of anger and hate directed at me?
      Or will you admit that by your definitions that free speech is for you to stir anger toward me, but that you personally mean to deny me any rights to turn that speech back on you.

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    32. Re:Untouchable criminal by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You are confused. I'm not taking about just insulting people, that's fine. I'm taking about creating an atmosphere were a reasonable person would be justifiably afraid.

      It wouldn't be acceptable to point a gun at someone's head without pulling the trigger. No physical harm done, but it's a clear threat and would justify a response.

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    33. Re:Untouchable criminal by ogdenk · · Score: 2

      You are confused. I'm not taking about just insulting people, that's fine. I'm taking about creating an atmosphere were a reasonable person would be justifiably afraid.

      The problem is defining terms like "justifiably afraid" and "reasonable person" are almost impossible to do in a legal sense and such laws tend to incredibly broad and open to interpretation.

      Some Christians believe they are "justifiably afraid" because their kids walk by liquor stores or a gay club on their way home from school. The KKK believes they are "justifiably afraid" of black protests. Some people think they are "justifiably afraid" because people can carry a holstered pistol without wearing a badge. And "reasonable person" in the eyes of most people means "people who think like me".

      It wouldn't be acceptable to point a gun at someone's head without pulling the trigger. No physical harm done, but it's a clear threat and would justify a response.

      That's a direct threat of violence, which is NOT acceptable. There's a difference between someone saying "You should be shot" and "I'm going to shoot you".

    34. Re:Untouchable criminal by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The problem is defining terms like "justifiably afraid" and "reasonable person" are almost impossible to do in a legal sense and such laws tend to incredibly broad and open to interpretation.

      That's for courts to decide. You could make the same argument about all sorts of things. Was it negligence or could no reasonable person have foreseen it? That was one of the earliest uses of it (Vaughan v. Menlove).

      Without this standard, it would be impossible to prevent your neighbour playing loud music 24/7. They could argue that you are being overly sensitive and could just sleep through it like they do.

      That's a direct threat of violence, which is NOT acceptable.

      Is it? Maybe they just like waving their gun around. They told you it's not loaded, and you can trust them, surely... Or are you saying that any reasonable person would interpret it as a threat of violence?

      Maybe now you understand the problem with adorning your home with swastikas. Most reasonable people would interpret using Nazi imagery, associated with a group of ultra-violent bigots who murdered millions of people, as a fairly clear statement of hostile intent.

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    35. Re:Untouchable criminal by ogdenk · · Score: 2

      That's for courts to decide. You could make the same argument about all sorts of things. Was it negligence or could no reasonable person have foreseen it? That was one of the earliest uses of it (Vaughan v. Menlove).

      Without this standard, it would be impossible to prevent your neighbour playing loud music 24/7. They could argue that you are being overly sensitive and could just sleep through it like they do.

      And if they argued that, they could be right. Your definition of loud could be quite different from theirs. That's why such laws in my area have stated decibel limits in residential areas during certain times of the day to avoid broad interpretation and selective enforcement. Some people are just obnoxious and report anyone playing music they can hear. Especially if it's a form of music they don't like. Anyone who doesn't see things their way is not a reasonable person.

      Is it? Maybe they just like waving their gun around. They told you it's not loaded, and you can trust them, surely... Or are you saying that any reasonable person would interpret it as a threat of violence?

      No, brandishing a firearm and waving it around is a crime. You don't even need to be all that reasonable to understand waving a firearm around or sticking it in someone's face is threatening. Loaded or not. Walking around with a weapon slung over your shoulder or holstered is not a direct threat and legal in many areas.

      Maybe now you understand the problem with adorning your home with swastikas. Most reasonable people would interpret using Nazi imagery, associated with a group of ultra-violent bigots who murdered millions of people, as a fairly clear statement of hostile intent.

      Not all Nazis were violent. Not all of them gassed jews. So no, swastika decorations by themselves don't demonstrate hostile intent. They just show how much of an asshole you are. And sympathizing with violent groups or displaying associated imagery is not a crime otherwise all the dumbass wannabe commies displaying Che Guevera or Mao t-shirts would have a problem. Committing a violent act or directly threatening violence IS a crime.

    36. Re:Untouchable criminal by ogdenk · · Score: 1

      Maybe now you understand the problem with adorning your home with swastikas. Most reasonable people would interpret using Nazi imagery, associated with a group of ultra-violent bigots who murdered millions of people, as a fairly clear statement of hostile intent.

      Also, using such logic would justify outlawing Islamic imagery because their holy book calls for murdering Jews. Or outlawing Christian imagery because their religion condones violence and stoning under several circumstances.

    37. Re:Untouchable criminal by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Islam is a bit different because most Muslims don't act that way, or at least most of the ones living in the west. A few do, but the majority, like the majority of Christians, have rejected the violent parts of their religion's dogma. Nazism is primarily about hating and doing harm to others, it serves little other purpose.

      To be clear though, we absolutely should take a hard line on the aspects of Islam that are incompatible with human rights and our system of law, and our social norms. Banning halal meat would be a good start.

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    38. Re:Untouchable criminal by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      And if they argued that, they could be right. Your definition of loud could be quite different from theirs.

      That's why you need a more objective measure. You are agreeing with me.

      Decibel limits are one option, but there was an interesting case in the UK recently that wouldn't be covered by such a limit. There were two professional piano players in a house who would practice for hours on end every day. The practice was extremely repetitive and irritating for the neighbours, even if the overall volume level wasn't too bad and they only did it during the day.

      Another example of the decibel limit being inadequate is when a baby is involved. In the UK you can't complain about babies crying or children screaming as they play if it's just part of a normal childhood. It's annoying and can keep you up all night, but courts applied the "reasonable person" test.

      No, brandishing a firearm and waving it around is a crime.

      Yes, but why is it a crime? It's not physically hurting anyone, just like adorning your house with Nazi imagery is not physically hurting anyone. It's because a reasonable person would see that behaviour as unreasonable, despite the lack of immediate physical harm.

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    39. Re:Untouchable criminal by ogdenk · · Score: 1

      No, brandishing a firearm and waving it around is a crime.

      Yes, but why is it a crime? It's not physically hurting anyone, just like adorning your house with Nazi imagery is not physically hurting anyone. It's because a reasonable person would see that behaviour as unreasonable, despite the lack of immediate physical harm.

      Imagery is not an immediate threat. A weapon being waved around with the barrel pointing at people could actually result in harm, whether intentional or not.

      Now if the Nazi wannabe was waving around a weapon and saying he was going to cleanse the town.... you might have a case. If he's just raving about how he thinks Hitler was awesome, Jews are vile and that "untermenschen" are worthy of extermination.... that's his right. Even if he's misguided, bigoted and stupid it's still not illegal. Just like moron baptists saying that gay people are disgusting and worthy of execution isn't illegal. It's stupid and they need to be called out for it. But it's their right to think that way. The same right that gives these morons the right to be assholes, gives gay folks the right to hold pride parades and for us to hold protests against police over-reach and government corruption.

      Remember, not too long ago.... "reasonable people" believed homosexuality was amoral, disgusting and a crime. I don't give the views of "reasonable people" much merit. And the "social norms" argument is a crock of shit. I am not required to adhere to what the majority thinks is normal by any means.

    40. Re: Untouchable criminal by AlphaBro · · Score: 1

      Something to say? Of course! Go away.

    41. Re:Untouchable criminal by ogdenk · · Score: 1

      Islam is a bit different because most Muslims don't act that way, or at least most of the ones living in the west. A few do, but the majority, like the majority of Christians, have rejected the violent parts of their religion's dogma. Nazism is primarily about hating and doing harm to others, it serves little other purpose.

      Looking down on those who don't share your beliefs and subjugating them is definitely a core part of Islam. The majority of white supremacists aren't running around killing people either. People only "reject" such views as good PR. When things get rough for them they bubble back to the surface and are used as justification for all sorts of evil. And while western Muslims aren't killing Jews en masse, ask a random one how they feel about Jews or homosexuality.

      Again, to hold violent opinions or display symbols associated with hatred is not a crime. And personally, I find crosses offensive, it's like me displaying an electric chair. Doesn't mean that I can go around forcing people to take them down.

      To be clear though, we absolutely should take a hard line on the aspects of Islam that are incompatible with human rights and our system of law, and our social norms. Banning halal meat would be a good start.

      Halal meat has nothing to do with human rights or our system of law in the US. It's a mean practice and people are welcome to speak out about it and refuse to offer it in their restaurants but ultimately, it's up to Muslims to reject the practice. Besides, it gives them good practice for slitting throats and/or beheading infidels.

    42. Re:Untouchable criminal by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Isn't the point that it is hypocrisy for one and the same group to excuse Bush while blaming Clinton for basically the same thing? I don't see anyone justifying anything, merely using it as an example of someone's hypocrisy. Or do you also habitually accuse people who point out inequal treatment of individuals in courts of justifying crimes?

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    43. Re:Untouchable criminal by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but that's because state provided health care is communism, and you can't have that :-p

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    44. Re:Untouchable criminal by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Probably not yet in absolute terms. But you can help by not being one of them. Improving humanity, one man at a time...

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    45. Re:Untouchable criminal by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      Once again how does this absolve her of any sin ?

    46. Re:Untouchable criminal by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      You mean like all discussions except those that are pointless syntactic games instead? Also, if bigotry is natural, then it must be perfectly fine. I mean, cancer is too, right?

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    47. Re:Untouchable criminal by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The reasonable person is a hypothetical, not based on the views of the population. It only covers estimations of risk and interpretation of language.

      If you think this is a bad idea you need to offer an alternative. How would you determine if, for example, someone was negligent or it's just a case of no one being reasonably able to predict the harm done.

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    48. Re:Untouchable criminal by gzuckier · · Score: 2

      That criminal witch is untouchable, so I don't see the point of further hacks. She should be headed to prison instead of the White House.

      yes, since ken starr, trent gowdy, and james comey are all conspiring with their fellow democrats to not indict her just because there is no evidence of any crime, she should be imprisoned just because of your general feelings. that's the problem with america these days, we can no longer just throw people in jail or execute them because we just don't like them. make america great again!

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    49. Re:Untouchable criminal by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      the argument that the secretary of state should be prosecuted for handling security as she saw fit, in a manner which was legal and actually avoided breaches which occurred in the actual state department server, is similar to the argument that the CEO of a company should be fired for discussing business on his personal phone when he gets an urgent call one day when he's at disneyland with his kids. the fact is, in any organization people who set policy are to a large degree permitted to violate said policy on their own judgement to a degree to which underlings are not allowed.

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    50. Re:Untouchable criminal by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      16 US embassies and/or consulates were attacked during GW Bush's presidency. 60 people were killed. There were NO congressional hearings. Double standard, much?

      also, there was that weird iraq thing, but hey, no use crying over spilt milk.

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    51. Re:Untouchable criminal by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      You mean besides the part where the Benghazi embassy requested extra security and she along with her underlings said there wasn't any money for it? But they could come up with the money for electric car chargers for the embassies in Europe?

      to begin with, the benghazi post wasn't an embassy. It wasn't even a consulate. That speaks to the mastery of the details possessed by the Hillary lynchers, and and also to the priority level of attending to security there.
      but since we're discussing budgets for security:
      "GOP cuts to embassy security draw scrutiny, jabs from Democrats
      By Alexander Bolton - 09/18/12 10:41 PM EDT
      Republicans have sought to cut hundreds of millions of dollars slated for security at U.S. embassies and consulates since gaining control of the House in 2011.
      Democrats enacted $1.803 billion for embassy security, construction and maintenance for fiscal 2010, when they still controlled the Senate and House. After Republicans took control of the House and picked up six Senate seats, Congress reduced the enacted budget to $1.616 billion in fiscal 2011, and to $1.537 billion for 2012.
      The administration requested $1.801 billion for security, construction and maintenance for fiscal 2012; House Republicans countered with a proposal to cut spending to $1.425 billion. The House agreed to increase it to $1.537 billion after negotiations with the Senate.
      The administration requested $1.654 billion for the State Department’s Worldwide Security Protection program for fiscal 2012. House Republicans proposed funding the program at $1.557 billion. Congress eventually enacted $1.591 billion after the Senate weighed in.
      For fiscal 2013, the administration requested $2.15 billion in funding for the worldwide security protection program, a larger increase from the previous year. The House countered with a proposal to increase the program to $1.934 billion.
      Embassy security funding will be reduced further if automatic spending cuts established by the 2011 Budget Control Act take place as scheduled. Under the so-called sequestration process, embassy security, construction and maintenance funding would shrink by $129 million, or 8.2 percent."
      http://thehill.com/homenews/ho...
      CNN Anchor Soledad O’Brien: “Is it true that you voted to cut the funding for embassy security?”
      Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah): “Absolutely. Look we have to make priorities and choices in this country. We have 15,0000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, a private army there, for President Obama, in Baghdad. And we’re talking about can we get two dozen or so people into Libya to help protect our forces. When you’re in touch economic times, you have to make difficult choices. You have to prioritize things.”
      http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2012/10/10/exp-point-chaffetz-two.cnn.html

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    52. Re:Untouchable criminal by gzuckier · · Score: 2

      WTF do electric car chargers have to do with security? Do you imagine that embassies must have "perfect" security and only then are the employees allowed to have chairs?

      Well let's look at it from an IT pov shall we? You'r UID is low enough you should get it. Imagine you've got two satellite offices, one is in a relatively stable, secure area where you can get away with simple keypad lockouts and the occasional guard. The other location is in a shit hole, there's roving bands of thugs and not only do you have heavy security you also have all the existing security.

      Now your nice safe office in order to look trendy in their new hip area wants 143 cappuccino and espresso machines, because that'll make them look good. And your other office wants more on the ground bodies and further hardening of the existing security measure to make sure your hardware is secure. So you decide that trendy and hip is the way to go, your other office gets trashed, people get killed and you just say "well there wasn't any money to help with that..." while you just finished spending several hundred thousand dollars for cappuccino and espresso machines.

      So the money was there, it could have been reallocated by dispensation to the security fund. But instead of doing that you're now responsible for the deaths of a couple of people, destruction of your hardware and other issues. And your response is: "what difference does it make?"

      except that the security budget is specifically allocated by the house and senate.

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    53. Re:Untouchable criminal by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      Give it up. You will never win with any argument of logic or fact when they excuse political incompetence with Bush did it. We know for a fact that help wasn't sent for fears of the political fallout but that isn't important. Sitting on your hands and doing nothing while American officials are being killed is somehow justifiably because under different circumstances Bush did it.

      You will never win with any argument of logic or fact with somebody whose definition of fact includes "We know for a fact that help wasn't sent for fears of the political fallout".

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    54. Re:Untouchable criminal by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      the hate crimes Trump is spouting every times he open his dirty mouth.

      So saying things some people don't like (while lacking any immediate calls for violence)... is now considered a hate crime?

      Truly the SJW's have won the cultural war... if you are right... which thankfully you are not.

      good point. trump is only spouting support for hate crimes and war crimes. they won't be actual hate crimes until his supporters start taking his advice as incitement.

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    55. Re:Untouchable criminal by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      Hateful speech is not a crime. This is not the EU. You can be a NeoNazi and drape your house in swastikas if you want. It's only a hate crime once you start gassing people or telling other people to do so.

      like:
      "The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don't kid yourself. When they say they don't care about their lives, you have to take out their families."
      or “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees.”
      or “I’d like to punch him in the face, I’ll tell ya.”
      or “Maybe he should have been roughed up because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing.”

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    56. Re:Untouchable criminal by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      Pointless semantic games. That aside, bigotry is a natural property of mankind and will exist as long as people do. Get over it.

      yes, also defecating in common public spaces is a natural property of mankind and will exist as long as people do. Get over it.

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    57. Re:Untouchable criminal by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      And nanny states are happy to turn on their own citizens eventually.

      Really? Which nanny states are you thinking of?

      Sweden? Denmark? -- No turning on citizens. Just improving their lot. Singapore? Yes it did ban bubble gum, but on the list of "turning on your own citizens" that seems pretty minor. UK? Yes it does have the same Orwellian surveillance of its own citizens as the US, but that's not really "turning on your own citizens" and it's not really associated with nanny states.

      who can forget the tyranny of canada, whose suffering citizens are forced to not undergo bankruptcy because they get severely ill and their insurance maxes out?

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    58. Re:Untouchable criminal by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      You are confused. I'm not taking about just insulting people, that's fine. I'm taking about creating an atmosphere were a reasonable person would be justifiably afraid.

      The problem is defining terms like "justifiably afraid" and "reasonable person" are almost impossible to do in a legal sense and such laws tend to incredibly broad and open to interpretation.

      Some Christians believe they are "justifiably afraid" because their kids walk by liquor stores or a gay club on their way home from school. The KKK believes they are "justifiably afraid" of black protests. Some people think they are "justifiably afraid" because people can carry a holstered pistol without wearing a badge. And "reasonable person" in the eyes of most people means "people who think like me".

      It wouldn't be acceptable to point a gun at someone's head without pulling the trigger. No physical harm done, but it's a clear threat and would justify a response.

      That's a direct threat of violence, which is NOT acceptable. There's a difference between someone saying "You should be shot" and "I'm going to shoot you".

      and yet, almost every law includes a "reasonable person" provision. from traffic laws to homicide.

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    59. Re:Untouchable criminal by ogdenk · · Score: 1

      like:

      "The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don't kid yourself. When they say they don't care about their lives, you have to take out their families."

      Kinda like Obama when he killed an American citizen and then targeted his son? Or when we nuked Japan? Or firebombed Dresden? Doesn't sound like "hate speech" to me. Sounds like a demoralizing strategy for less restricted warfare. You know, warfare that actually works. War is ugly. Not that I support military intervention in the middle east but when they kill on American soil, retaliation is the only response. Being nice to them and giving them free room and board is not working in Germany, that's for sure.

      “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees.”

      An obvious joke. Besides, what do you think happened to the guy who threw a shoe at Bush? Not a wise thing to say but certainly no worse than things I've heard from folks like Nixon or even LBJ in the past. What about the Dem supporters actually punching people after a Trump rally and following them to their vehicles?

      “I’d like to punch him in the face, I’ll tell ya.”

      And you've never stated that you'd like to punch someone in the face? I don't know about you but there's plenty of people I'd LIKE to punch in the face, including Trump. Doesn't mean I'll actually do it.

      “Maybe he should have been roughed up because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing.”

      Again, not a threat. Simply him expressing anger. There's plenty of people that I've thought needed their ass kicked.

      Now, I'm certainly not voting for him but making him out to be Hitler is stupid. And I'm sure Hillary says MUCH worse behind closed doors away from the cameras. I'm certainly not voting for her corrupt ass either. The only sane choice in this election is Gary Johnson/Bill Weld. Both have more governing experience than Trump and HRC combined and have a much more sane outlook on where we need to be heading as a nation.

    60. Re:Untouchable criminal by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I just sent a pair of 'Trucknutz' back to Germany with my cousin (for a friend of hers).

      There is at least one set of balls in europe (chrome green). Likely hanging from the ridiculous tiny trailer hitches they all have.

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    61. Re:Untouchable criminal by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

      And nanny states are happy to turn on their own citizens eventually.

      Just to repeat my question (since you didn't answer it before): [citation needed] which nanny states are you thinking of which have turned on their own citizens?

      I think there aren't any.

    62. Re:Untouchable criminal by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2014/05/18/Why-Hillary-Clinton-Was-Right-Boko-Haram

    63. Re:Untouchable criminal by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      It doesn't. It just shows that sin is a job requirement for US administrations.

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  3. Love it and stay by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    America is a liberal country - Love it or leave it.

    Point 1: America is 38% conservative and 24% Liberal. (source).

    Point 2: "Love it or leave it" is effectively "shut up and sit down". It calls for a suppression of free speech typical of tyrannical, abusive dictatorship. Turkey can say "love it or leave it" with some justification. America cannot.

    That criminal witch is untouchable [...]

    Insults are the domain of the Democrats, have some couth. Republicans don't generally use insult as a substitute for rational thinking, that's a Democratic play.

    We could easily build stories about Hillary being Marie Antoinette ("let them eat cake"), or Lucrecia Borgia (for all Clinton's opponents who have died under mysterious circumstances), or even Lilith ("Mother of demons"). Some of them would even have a rational basis. It would be a counterpoint to Trump being Hilter, Stalin, or Cthulhu.

    But we don't, because we believe the head rules the heart. We have smart people here at Slashdot, we don't have to descend to common name calling.

    "Heart rules the head", IOW emotional thinking, is what Democrats do.

    We don't *need* to spout lies or insults.

    Don't descend to their level.

    (And if you're a Democrat reading this and are angered: take the challenge. Post a reason why Hillary would be better than Trump as president, without outright lying, insulting, or wishful fantasy. In other words, cite their stated positions instead of "he'll do *this*" or "she'll do *that*. I don't think anyone can, but if anyone can, they'd be here on Slashdot.)

    1. Re:Love it and stay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      (And if you're a Democrat reading this and are angered: take the challenge. Post a reason why Hillary would be better than Trump as president, without outright lying, insulting, or wishful fantasy. In other words, cite their stated positions instead of "he'll do *this*" or "she'll do *that*. I don't think anyone can, but if anyone can, they'd be here on Slashdot.)

      The following are quotes from Hillary Clinton Economy Jobs Moodys. They speak for themselves.

      "Moody's Analytics estimates that if the Democratic presidential nominee's proposals are enacted, the economy would create 10.4 million jobs during her presidency, or 3.2 million more than expected under current law."

      "Moody's published a similar analysis of Donald Trump's plans in June. It concluded that the Republican presidential nominee's policies would result in an economic downturn that would last longer than the Great Recession. About 3.5 million Americans would lose their jobs, unemployment would jump to 7% and home prices would fall."

    2. Re:Love it and stay by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Point 1: America is 38% conservative and 24% Liberal.

      If this is true, why aren't conservatives winning every seat in every election, including the Presidency? The reason is because most voters are more liberal than they are conservative. That's undeniable at this point.

      The fact is that America is no longer a conservative country. For example, for the first time in history there are more "nones" (people with no religious affiliation) than any other voting block. That statistic is never going to go back down, ever. That's clearly not the sign of a conservative country.

      Religious belief and attendance is down more than ever before in history. There are fewer churches and places of worship in this country than ever before in history. Religion is dying off here, both figuratively and literally. That's not the sign of a conservative country.

      Deny it all you like, but the fact is that America is slowly but steadily moving towards more liberal social and political systems, not away from them. It's been doing this since the late 50's, but has sped up a bit considerably the last decade or so. The people got a taste of freedom from conservative values, and they liked it.

      Pot is now fully legal for recreational use in multiple states with more coming (count on it). That's not the sign of a conservative country.

      So go ahead and claim it's a conservative country if you want, but it's not. This isn't 1950, it's 2016 and the country is liberal and getting more so. And I'm all for it.

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    3. Re:Love it and stay by Bartles · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Didn't the guy that wrote that report donate the maximum to Hillary Clinton?

    4. Re:Love it and stay by srichard25 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are plenty of conservatives who aren't religious and many liberals who are religious. Not sure why you think conservative = religious.

      Also, I suggest you take a look at how many states are currently being run by Republican governors and legislatures.

    5. Re: Love it and stay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hitler, Stalin, those are just lazy maker calling. But when you mentioned Satan you got me thinking. See Trump has no positions. Or rather, he has all of them. Everything he says is a "joke" or "sarcasm" when he is pressed to defend it later. It's a brilliant strategy of course, his supporters simply believe the statements they want to believe, and treat the rest as "he was just kidding, lighten up you upright liberals". But a president can't be ambiguous and wishy washy in everything they say. Words have consequences. Is Hillary perfect here? Not by a long shot, she has plenty of her own secrecy and minced words. But at least we know where she stands. Trump in contrast does seem to have parallels to the devil - shape shifting, whispering in your ear exactly what you want to hear. The brilliance is how he has been able to take advantage of cognitive dissonance to craft that unique whisper to each supporter. It's not just a populous message, it's mass customization. Hillary is still fighting the old game, peddling a fairly consistent center left (with corporate backing) package of "promises" to a large audience. Whereas she's just a typical politician (I say that with appropriate contempt), is Trump's behavior really so far removed from common depictions of the devil, Sauron, or whatever your personal pet depiction of insidious, divisive evil?

    6. Re:Love it and stay by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      The fact is that America is no longer a conservative country. For example, for the first time in history there are more "nones" (people with no religious affiliation) than any other voting block. That statistic is never going to go back down, ever. That's clearly not the sign of a conservative country.

      I'm not sure that this is the best metric of a "conservative country," but where do you get this data from??

      Here's the history of Gallup polls on religion for example. According to them, in 2015, 38% of people identified as Protestant, 23% as Catholic, 9% as other Christian... that's 60% Christian right there. The "None" only accounted for a measly 17%. Pew polls put the number more at 70% Christian in 2014, with only 23% unaffiliated.

      Moreover, when you start looking down that Gallup Poll list, you find stuff like, "Do you believe in God?" 1944 - 96%, 2016 - 89%. A downtick for sure, but hardly the sign of lack of religious belief.

      "Do you believe in heaven?" 1968 - 85%, 2011 - 85%
      Hell - 1968 - 66%, 2011 - 75%

      Belief in angels is still up there in 2016 at 72%, which is a little lower than it was in the early 2000s, but about the same as it was back in the 1970s.

      And heck, 73% of Americans believe in the virgin birth of Jesus, including about 1/3 of your "unaffiliated" no-religion group.

      Now, there are other polls that put the numbers a little lower. The Harris Poll for example only puts belief in the virgin birth at 57%, with 68% saying he is the Son of God.

      Religious belief and attendance is down more than ever before in history. There are fewer churches and places of worship in this country than ever before in history. Religion is dying off here, both figuratively and literally.

      Is church attendance down? Yes. And the percentage of folks who say religion is "very important" in their lives is down (though still the MAJORITY of Americans, according to polls). But given that the majority of Americans still seem to strongly subscribe to religious beliefs, including significant numbers of your "unaffiliated" folks, I'd hardly say it's "dying off" yet.

      I have absolutely no idea where you get your idea that there are more "nones" than any other voting block. It may be true that the majority of Americans no longer attend church every week, but it's still a highly religious country.

      the fact is that America is slowly but steadily moving towards more liberal social and political systems, not away from them. It's been doing this since the late 50's, but has sped up a bit considerably the last decade or so.

      I agree with this, though to go back to your previous point -- the number of people identifying as "Evangelical Christians" has been fairly constant over the past few decades. It hasn't even declined as much as the other general religion numbers. So... it's not like the true "conservatives" (in terms of religion) are going away... it's more like the people in the middle are becoming less concerned about religious values holding sway over their lives. But there's still a rather huge contingent of people with far right values (certainly larger than your "none" contingent), and that block isn't going away anytime soon.

      Pot is now fully legal for recreational use in multiple states with more coming (count on it). That's not the sign of a conservative country.

      We MIGHT just be getting back to the level of acceptance of recreational/medicinal drug use enjoyed in the 1900-1930 era or so. If that's "liberal" and "progressive" to you... well, gosh, that's great!

    7. Re: Love it and stay by kenh · · Score: 1

      Deny it all you like, but the fact is that America is slowly but steadily moving towards more liberal social and political systems, not away from them.

      The election and re-election of a novelty President ("The First Black President!"), Democrats (liberal) have lost both the house and senate since the 2010 election, but sure, convince yourself otherwise if it makes you feel better. Republicans (conservatives) have been winning elections since President Obama told them if they want their ideas to be considered they needed to start winning elections.

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    8. Re:Love it and stay by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      "Not sure why you think conservative = religious."

      Because it's intended as broad-brush, in-group signalling and a sneering slur against people who have non-"Progressive" values (lump 'em in with the strawman "religious wackos"). It's what they do, they're Progressives - they play the man, not the ball. Control the message, make the narrative. Ample use of sophistry, bait-and-switch, goalpost moving.

      Bye-bye, another Karma point. Oh, did I mention that they function in packs, displaying mob mentality and group think and drown out differing opinions?

    9. Re:Love it and stay by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

      There are plenty of conservatives who aren't religious and many liberals who are religious. Not sure why you think conservative = religious.

      Because that is generally the way things break out, and we both know it. Yes, there are plenty of conservatives who aren't religious and many liberals who are religious, but overall, the generalization holds.

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    10. Re:Love it and stay by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Pot is now fully legal for recreational use in multiple states, with more coming.
      More "nones" than ever before, and that metric is increasing.
      Gay marriage is legal across the entire country.
      Church membership at record low levels.
      An African-American elected as president in two back-to-back landslide elections.
      Gay rights recognized in most states.

      How is this not a liberal country, especially compared to 20 or 30 or 40 years ago? The trend is clear: the country is liberal and becoming more so, regardless of whether or not you can admit it to yourself.

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    11. Re:Love it and stay by Zak3056 · · Score: 1

      Hillary lies much less than Trump does.

      They're both liars. Trying to decide which one lies less is an exercise in masturbation, unless you have an agenda, in which case whichever one you happen to support will always be found to lie less.

      You can't even argue magnitude as a means to differentiate them. Hillary has plenty of "yuge" lies of her own (like claiming she landed under sniper fire and had to run for safety).

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    12. Re:Love it and stay by PJ6 · · Score: 1

      Insults are the domain of the Democrats, have some couth. Republicans don't generally use insult as a substitute for rational thinking, that's a Democratic play.

      "Heart rules the head", IOW emotional thinking, is what Democrats do.

      Oh, and because there are no examples of the other party being like that at all.

      Holy shit, dude.

      This whole R versus D thing is highly destructive to intelligent discussion, especially when adding generalizations and ad-hominem.

      Please get off Slashdot.

  4. Re:Good by tripleevenfall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember everyone, the DNC can be hacked and the Clinton campaign can be hacked, but there's NO WAY IN THE WORLD that Hillary's homebrew email server was hacked. Nope. Not possible. Pure as the driven snow.

  5. Re:How were the servers accessed? by AaronW · · Score: 2

    I see regular attempts to get into my mail server, almost all of them from Russia or eastern european countries and a lesser extent China. I'd love to just blackhole all of Russia. Most spam attempts come from Russia and to a lesser extent China from what I see in my logs.

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  6. I don't mind Russian hackers by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    2) If you are mad enough to consider voting for Trump does the fact that the Russian's are trying to help him put you off. If it does who do you vote for?

    That's an interesting point.

    I think the Russians did the country an enormous favour by bringing the actions of the Democratic party to light. It's like Snowden outing all the illegal activity of the intelligence organizations.

    I'd be completely OK if they, or some other country, did the same thing to the Republicans. It would only shine a light on the corruption, and help bring us to a more fair political process.

    And we also have to consider recent events. Our own Federal Election Commission won't investigate massive money laundering that effectively neutralized Sanders campaign funds, or working directly against the Sanders campaign.

    Also, the GCHQ was hacking around the Arab Spring, and the US deposed the democratically elected leader of Iran and put the Shah in power.

    We can't blame Russia for doing what every other country is doing, and that we are doing as well.

    The Democrats would have every right to be upset except that they were involved in massive wrongdoing!

  7. Re:It's better than a sitcom by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I want to know how much money Trump really owes to the Russian oligarchs? Would he pay them back in political favors if he become president?

  8. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who cares if her server was hacked? It never stored any classified information, and if hacked, all they would get is her yoga routines & wedding plans for her daughter.

    We have the assurances of the Clinton herself to validate that truth with.

  9. Maybe? by argStyopa · · Score: 2

    Perhaps the servers would have been safer at her house?

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  10. Re: It's like the old saying goes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I thought it was "hack me twice, won't get hacked again".

  11. Re:Lol, ask and ye shall receive by Bartles · · Score: 2

    Can you give me the quote that asked that? I've been following the story pretty closely and never saw anything like that. I think you're just drawing conclusions from headlines, just like they want you to.

  12. Re: Lol, ask and ye shall receive by Bartles · · Score: 1

    Quotes please.

  13. Re: Lol, ask and ye shall receive by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

    Just google "trump russia hack" or something, it's everywhere.

  14. Re: Lol, ask and ye shall receive by Bartles · · Score: 1

    Yeah. You got nothing, because it didn't happen. And in the end, facts matter.

  15. Clinton's Security Trumped by Russians. by penguinoid · · Score: 1

    I wonder if they found those missing emails?

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  16. Re: Lol, ask and ye shall receive by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

    *Sigh* He's not saying it didn't happen, he's saying he was being sarcastic when he said it.

  17. Re:Good by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    And so what? What's the obsession here?

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  18. Re:Good by AlphaBro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, who cares if one of the most powerful people in the world violated federal law and put national security at risk. Stop obsessing about it.

  19. Re: Lol, ask and ye shall receive by Bartles · · Score: 1

    No, I'm saying that trump never asked Russia to hack Hillary's server.

  20. Moody's is good by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    I didn't previously respond to your post because I want to encourage you and posters like you. Don't get discouraged when other people jump on what you wrote.

    You raise a valid point, and it should be discussed. I'd like to see you get an account and repost this, and any other rational points you want to make, so that we can discuss these issues.

    Clinton will come up again as a topic, let's take this up at that time.

    For now, I unreservedly admit that your post is good and you've completed the challenge.

  21. Re:Lol, ask and ye shall receive by RoccamOccam · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Repeating my reply to another similar post : I'm definitely not a Trump supporter, but I have to take issue with that statement. He didn't call for hacking, he said that they should "find" the missing emails. Since the server is already off-line, it's not there to be hacked.

    Presumably, he is suggesting that the server had probably already been hacked (maybe by any number of individuals or countries) and he thinks they could be found.

  22. Re: Lol, ask and ye shall receive by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

    Why stop there? How about if he never said any of the things that he admits that he said and there's clips of him saying?

  23. Re: Lol, ask and ye shall receive by Bartles · · Score: 1

    Look. He never asked Russia to hack Hillary's server. You know this.

  24. Re:Lol, ask and ye shall receive by quantaman · · Score: 1

    Can you give me the quote that asked that? I've been following the story pretty closely and never saw anything like that. I think you're just drawing conclusions from headlines, just like they want you to.

    I assume you're playing cute with semantics, because he doesn't actually asked them to hack her emails, he asks them to "find" the emails. The implication being of course that they already hacked them.

    It's not hugely better of course, rather than asking Russia to hack her server he's saying that it's great that Russia hacked her server, and Russia should use that intel to help his campaign.

    And of course his backtrack that he was being "sarcastic" is stupid. But since it was obviously Trump talking he couldn't blame it on a young intern.

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  25. Re: Lol, ask and ye shall receive by Bartles · · Score: 2

    Now we're starting to get somewhere. What would have been better would be if there was no question about the security of Hillary's emails in the first place.

  26. Continual email hacks = keyword dilution scheme by frankenheinz · · Score: 1

    The idea is that if Hillary/Clinton/DNC/Inc. email gets hacked enough, no one will be able to find evidence of the H"Hillary Clinton Email Controversy" on the internet any more.

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    The law is not an ass. No really.
  27. Re: Lol, ask and ye shall receive by quantaman · · Score: 1

    Now we're starting to get somewhere. What would have been better would be if there was no question about the security of Hillary's emails in the first place.

    It would be great if Obama could be chummier with Republican legislators.

    It would be great if Sanders was a little more wonkish and had a solid economic plan and foreign policy.

    It would be great if Trump was competent, honest, or remotely sane.

    There's no such thing as a perfect candidate, it defies belief that among everything else people are now looking at an ill-advised email server as some sort of failed litmus test.

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  28. Re: Lol, ask and ye shall receive by Bartles · · Score: 1

    Right. It was just an I'll advised email server. You're judgement is worse than Hillary's.

  29. Re:Good by StevenMaurer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Remember everyone, the DNC can be hacked and the Clinton campaign can be hacked, but there's NO WAY IN THE WORLD that Hillary's homebrew email server was hacked. Nope. Not possible. Pure as the driven snow.

    You mean that sarcastically, but it's basically true. Hacking a server is one thing. Hacking a server without leaving any tracks whatsoever is insanely difficult. Hillary Clinton's server was examined by top FBI forensic analysts, and no breach was detected. This is unlike the system she supposedly "should" have been using, OpenNet (the state.gov email system), which has been hacked so many times, they judge them by how bad they are Sources: State Dept. hack the 'worst ever'. Every other hack has been detected and analyzed - it strains credulity that of all these emails servers, only clintonemail.com would have been hacked so perfectly that there was no trace left, even in the many backups.

    This doesn't mean that the Russians don't have her emails, since anything sent to a state.gov email address was copied by them. But that's not Secretary Clinton's fault, and the sheer incompetence of State's IT department (their "solution" to her emails going to people's spam bucket wasn't to whitelist clintonemail.com, but to turn off all spam filtering), lends credence to the idea that she was just trying to work around some very incompetent people in the bureaucracy to get her job done.

    What is absolutely proven at this point, is that if she'd done things the "right way", then all her emails would be now in the possession of foreign intelligence agencies. Having clintonemail.com didn't hurt, and may in certain ways, helped.

  30. Most transparent campaign ever by istartedi · · Score: 1

    Most transparent campaign ever.

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  31. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Remember everyone, the DNC can be hacked and the Clinton campaign can be hacked, but there's NO WAY IN THE WORLD that Hillary's homebrew email server was hacked. Nope. Not possible. Pure as the driven snow.

    Okay, first off Clinton was not hacking together an email server in visual basic in her spare time. She probably didn't understand the security implications herself, and hired someone she thought competent, who obviously wasn't. Most likely it had whatever passes for the default security Microsoft provides, which is not horrible, but not world class either. It also likely had all the automatic updates, which are pretty important these days. I have no idea if it was hacked, but I do know what was. The official state department email system was hacked. email hack

    It seems to me that while running her own was a bad idea, the net result was no different. Also, running your own server is in no way shape or form illegal. It is unwise, but not illegal. The real problem was accidentally sending a small amount of classified material through that system. That is known as a data spill, and may have been easier to clean up if it was on the government system, but in no way shape or form was the official system rated for classified material either. That would be a completely different system.

    The only completely secure system is one that is not connected to an external network, and then it is only secure from external threats. You can increase the security by isolating systems behind VPNs and generally being very careful with what runs on every connected system. Of course then you have to sill update things, which adds complexity.

    Now, I watch quite a bit of news, and no one is really giving Clinton a free pass here. So pretending that she is getting one is just not true. What is true is that she is far better than the alternative, and, like it or not, it is for all intents and purpose a binary choice.

    Finally, all of this is why it is necessary and vital for encryption to thrive. Encrypt by default. Isolate applications by default. Applications should be able to write to their own areas, but nothing else should be able to. Application data needs to be encrypted with unique keys, so even if a process can run as root, it can't access another processes data. Any key storage needs to be particularly hardened. Defense in depth needs to be by design. Any time you hear a three letter agency tell you that encryption is bad, remind them of this crap.

    I predict that more political campaigns and such will switch, if they haven't already done so to BSD and similar variants, that take security seriously. Well, either that or they might just switch to solid web providers that take security seriously by default.

  32. Re: Lol, ask and ye shall receive by quantaman · · Score: 1

    Right. It was just an I'll advised email server. You're judgement is worse than Hillary's.

    So you think she's the devil incarnate, so what? The choice is Hillary or Trump so it should be Hillary by a landslide.

    If I were American I'd vote for Bush II over Trump, hell I'd vote for Nixon over Trump.

    The guy's been running for President for over a year and he still knows nothing about policy nor has he shown the ability to exhibit self-control for any period longer than a few hours. Can you really imagine him reacting well to even the mildest crisis?

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  33. Re:You can't wipe corruption away with a towel by footNipple · · Score: 2, Informative

    Forgive me if some of us don't get all weepy
    and faux offended over the GP's hyperbole.
    The woman is an international gangster
    whose entire adult life has been, essentially,
    a crime in progress. She should be incarcerated...
    in all seriousness.

  34. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Turn in your Nerd Card, it has been revoked!

    Once a machine is compromised, absolutely nothing on it can be trusted. With full access to a machine, log files can be erased or modified to cover all traces of intrusion. Couple this with the fact the machine was wiped, like with a cloth, and it is plainly obvious that any forensic analysis will be a waste of time. The fact is, the server in question was actively running insecure services on Internet facing ports, insecure as in there were known exploits at the time.

    It was once reported that a fresh install of Windows (an ancient version) would be compromised within minutes (10-15?) of being connected to the Internet due to the number of random scans. Clinton's server was running a wide-open vulnerable service for MONTHS. Let that sink in.

  35. Re:You can't wipe corruption away with a towel by ngc5194 · · Score: 1

    Stay classy.

  36. Re:It's better than a sitcom by blind+biker · · Score: 1

    Does Trump have a long history of being bribed and offering services in return of those bribes? Because Hillary has.

    Mind you, I am not a fan of Donald Trump; I think he's moron and a jingoist, but he scares me less than Clinton. With Clinton I am sure we'll (meaning the entire world, since I don't even live in the US) will be plunged in wars. She just doesn't care, she has already created misery in parts of the world as a secretary of state.

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  37. Re:It's better than a sitcom by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

    Hillary was actually the first person on the right side of Citizens United. Has she taken campaign contributions from corporations? Sure, but so has every other presidential candidate in history.

    The reason why Wall St is backing Hillary is not because they want favors, it's because they don't want to see a con artist destroy the stock market.

  38. Re:Good by AlphaBro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How's this for context: this article is about the Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, not mass surveillance, unjustified wars, or previous administrations. Hillary's server is especially relevant.

  39. Re:You can't wipe corruption away with a towel by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

    Well I guess we know which channel you get your news from.

  40. Re: Lol, ask and ye shall receive by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

    Oh I think I see. If it wasn't on Fox News it didn't really happen. I guess there's no point arguing with that.

  41. Re:How were the servers accessed? by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    Down the list:
    An insider walks it out and the hint about another nation is the pre placed cover story that holds thanks to fragments left for any teams looking over systems later.
    The insider is fully protected and pre placed cover story holds for decades.
    So many people and other nations are discovered have had physical and network access that a short list of skilled nations is selected from and thats the presentable story.
    A person or group uses a list of common tools and finds a huge number of other nations and people are also accessing the data. A trail is created to what is expected.
    A smaller power or allied nation with insider help feels the need to see the material released and uses advance methods to ensure a common adversarial nation gets the full blame. i.e. they have their own virtual methods like QUANTUMSQUIRREL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    Fragments of past tools, ip ranges, time of day would not be left by any advanced nation or other method. Someone created a trail, wants the trail to be found or understood the result would be great cover.

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  42. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Come on, how many wedding plans can her daughter possibly have? 5000 max? Still, that leaves 25000 yoga exercises, and that's just hard to believe, to say the least.

  43. Re:Good by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    Neither the FBI nor anyone else found that any laws were violated. So stop obsessing about it!

  44. Re:Good by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

    (...) She probably didn't understand the security implications herself, and hired someone she thought competent, who obviously wasn't.

    How competent is she to hire someone she thought is competent? That's the whole point and the prime reason these matters should be left in the hands of the experts at the government level. It these so called experts are not experts, solve the problem there in first place. Do not spread the problem by adding more unsecure stuff in a vain effort to make it secure.

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  45. Re:Good by AchilleTalon · · Score: 2

    Remember everyone, the DNC can be hacked and the Clinton campaign can be hacked, but there's NO WAY IN THE WORLD that Hillary's homebrew email server was hacked. Nope. Not possible. Pure as the driven snow.

    Hillary Clinton's server was examined by top FBI forensic analysts, and no breach was detected.

    As far as I know, FBI didn't say no breach was detected. So, reference please. What came out of the FBI is it is not possible to relate Clinton to the breach or prove without doubt in order to build a case for court on the evidence they have Clinton's responsability. By all means, this doesn't mean not breach was discovered.

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  46. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Neither the FBI nor anyone else found that any laws were violated. So stop obsessing about it!

    WUT?!?!?!?!

    Evidence Hillary Clinton Broke Federal Laws And Jeopardized National Security, No Charges Recommended... WTF, FBI?!

    FBI Director James Comey gave a press conference on Tuesday, July 5th, discussing in surprising detail the three main aspects of the investigation: What they did (a lot). What they found (she broke the law and jeopardized national security). ...

    And that's the Huffington Post - hardly a hotbed of anti-Democrat obsessions.

    What's the color of the sky on your planet? Because it sure as shit ain't blue.

  47. Re:Good by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not obsessed about it, actually. I don't particularly care about US federal law or national security anyway. What I find somewhat more troubling is attempts almost on the eve of elections at conveniently removing one of two major candidates for the leadership of a global superpower in a world I happen to live in, even if I happen to live in a different part of it.

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  48. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh, laws were violated. They just were excused. Comey is on record saying that anyone else Hillary caught doing what Hillary did with the same evidence, would be prosecuted. How does that sit with you? I guess it sits pretty good as long as some ass official says it's ok for one but not for anyone else. Try getting past your cognitive dissonance. You're failed logic is the pillar of corruption.

  49. Re: Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It came out about a year ago, far from the eve of the election. And it concluded before the convention. The FBI doesn't get to choose when some corrupt asshole breaks the law and the info leaks out.

  50. Re:It's better than a sitcom by jittles · · Score: 2

    I want to know how much money Trump really owes to the Russian oligarchs? Would he pay them back in political favors if he become president?

    To be quite honest, I suspect the reason that Trump doesn't want to release his tax data is because he's pretty broke. I mean that relatively, of course. I'm not saying he's on the verge of destitution but I am guessing his tax returns show just how much of a fraud his entire life is.

  51. Re:Good by Spazmania · · Score: 1

    The Clinton campaign was not hacked. That's a misreport. The DNC was hacked. Two organizations. Two networks. Two different sets of staff.

    The misreport is like saying that because VISA was hacked, Bank of America was hacked. No. Bank of America does buy services from VISA and they are impacted by a (theoretical) VISA hack but that doesn't mean that they have automagically been hacked solely because VISA has.

    And no, Hillary's email server wasn't hacked either. Some of the folks she communicated with were hacked. She was not.

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  52. Re: Lol, ask and ye shall receive by Bartles · · Score: 2

    So where does he ask them to hack Hillary's server?

  53. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Turn in your Nerd Card, it has been revoked!

    Once a machine is compromised, absolutely nothing on it can be trusted. With full access to a machine, log files can be erased or modified to cover all traces of intrusion.

    Actually that's not strictly true. If services are properly protected with MAC like SELinux or Capsicum, it is entirely possible for a daemon like an MTA/MDA to get compromised, exfiltrate all the spools it has access to, but be impossible for it to erase the system logs as it isn't running with ambient authority. Ditto for jailed services. Ditto for quality hardware like IBM AIX boxes and mainframes, which have separate hardware and processors for storing audit logs. Ditto for servers that are setup competently, because they log to an external, separately secured log server (basically what AIX and z do, except the log server is integrated inside the physical enclosure).

    Of course servers designed to competent security engineering standards aren't typically hackable, and follow the POLA principle to minimise the harm and exposure if they are hackable. Writing code with Capsicum or pledge for example is incredibly not-difficult; people not putting these basic and easy to use techniques into practice are wilfully negligent.

  54. Re: Lol, ask and ye shall receive by Bartles · · Score: 1

    It's not tongue in cheek. If you look at the exact words he used in an objective manner, he never called for them to hack hillary's server.

  55. Re: Lol, ask and ye shall receive by Bartles · · Score: 1

    Why don't you cut and paste them for me. I know why you won't do that. It would expose the fact that you're lying. I have read all the quotes, and none of them ask Russia to hack Hillary's server.

  56. Re:It's better than a sitcom by will_die · · Score: 1

    What I want to know is since all these liberals know that Russia has a time machine what does the USA need to do to get one?

  57. Re:Good by JustBoo · · Score: 1

    Who cares if her server was hacked? It never stored any classified information, and if hacked, all they would get is her yoga routines & wedding plans for her daughter.

    We have the assurances of the Clinton herself to validate that truth with.

    Here is a short (One minute, 40 seconds) film showing the inside story of the yoga routines and emails and a stunning analysis of its impact.

    Mrs, Clinton and Yoga

    (If she is taking so much yoga, why is she still wearing pantsuits?)

  58. Re:Good by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    And so what? What's the obsession here?

    Well, Trump gave them permission to hack her.

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