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Russian Government Gets 'Hacked Back', Attacks Possibly Launched By The NSA (bbc.com)

An anonymous reader write: Russian government bodies have been hit by a "professional" cyber attack, according to the country's intelligence service, which said the attack targeted state organizations and defense companies, as well as Russia's "critically important infrastructures". The agency told the BBC that the powerful malware "allowed those responsible to switch on cameras and microphones within the computer, take screenshots and track what was being typed by monitoring keyboard strokes."
ABC News reports that the NSA "is likely 'hacking back' Russia's government-linked cyber-espionage teams "to see once and for all if they're responsible for the massive breach at the Democratic National Committee, according to three former senior intelligence officials... Robert Joyce, chief of the NSA's shadowy Tailored Access Operations, declined to comment on the DNC hack specifically, but said in general that the NSA has technical capabilities and legal authorities that allow the agency to 'hack back' suspected hacking groups, infiltrating their systems to gather intelligence about their operations in the wake of a cyber attack... In some past unrelated cases...NSA hackers have been able to watch from the inside as malicious actors conduct their operations in real time."

173 comments

  1. Anyone else here just... by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    ... suddenly get a picture in their heads of that scene from "The Princess Bride" where Vizzini talks about how he was hired to start a war?

    1. Re:Anyone else here just... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um... No. Just you.

    2. Re:Anyone else here just... by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Oh come on it was semi-ontopic, starring Control agent 99. We are discussing espionage...

  2. Hmmm by fubarrr · · Score: 1

    "allowed those responsible to switch on cameras and microphones within the computer, take screenshots and track what was being typed by monitoring keyboard strokes." Kindergarden level keylogger hack by standards of the indistry

    1. Re:Hmmm by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Funny

      But the trick was getting them to install it by putting out a package called "DNC hack files complete ".

    2. Re:Hmmm by ShakaUVM · · Score: 2, Funny

      >"allowed those responsible to switch on cameras and microphones within the computer, take screenshots and track what was being typed by monitoring keyboard strokes." Kindergarden level keylogger hack by standards of the indistry

      Or you just upgrade them to Windows 10.

  3. I dobut it was NSA by bloodhawk · · Score: 0, Redundant

    If the NSA was dumb enough to do this then they just wrote a blanket invitation to all countries to attack US owned agencies and companies openly with impunity. They will sound like complete hypocrites (even more so) and be ignored when other countries do it. I doubt NSA would be that dumb...I hope.

    1. Re:I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are you just born yesterday? NSA hacked a lot of countries before this hack. Even allies. Are you really that stupid? USA is a bully for a very long time. USA is only the best at one thing: creating their own enemies.

    2. Re:I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I doubt NSA would be that dumb..

      Wow,... did you miss the entire set of leaks from Edward Snowden? Because the NSA has been doing _exactly that_ to the entire world for over a decade. Sorry man, that ship sailed a long long long time ago. It's not a matter of guessing: it's established fact.

    3. Re:I dobut it was NSA by bloodhawk · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not openly and so apparently obviously they haven't,

    4. Re:I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      War (which this is a light form of, fortunately we dont kill people anymore...) is always about this. Oh, that other nation is soo bad, they have killed these many brave soilders of ours. We must retaliate and kill as many of their soilders as possible!

    5. Re:I dobut it was NSA by burtosis · · Score: 1

      No no he is right! I heard it came from a dilapatated arcade on Coney Island with a busted up sign and an illegal connection to the power grid.

    6. Re:I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the sort of Action that escalates into the real wars that real people die in.

    7. Re:I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes it was, it was doing it secretly and undercover and supposedly such actions were over. This if the report is to be believe is basically an all out attack in the open and will be a massive escalation of hostilities.

    8. Re:I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm gonna bet it has been China doing all this. They're the only ones who would really win from a Russia-USA cold war resurgence.

    9. Re:I dobut it was NSA by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      USA is a bully for a very long time.

      It's even more funny when Russia complains it's being bullied while at the same time announcing how it might use nuclear weapons on its neighbors or how it's ramping up its military spending as well as increasing its cyber operations against its neighbors.

      I wonder how much of this is a shot over the bow, for when one of our presidential candidates invited and approved of Russia and other countries to hack us.

      Sec takes statements like that deadly seriously.

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    10. Re: I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two words 'middle East's now go back into your box you ignorant fool.

    11. Re: I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that you Vlady? Tell your good friend Donald that HRC says kiss her ass!!!

    12. Re:I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny how the U.S. is the bully when Russia repeatedly interferes in the internal affairs of its neighbors, sends its troops to invade and attack its neighbors and funds and supplies terrorist organizations on its neighbors soil to destabilize them.

      You could have the same about US policy in Central and South America at least a couple of years back.

    13. Re:I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One who blames first is the winner!

    14. Re:I dobut it was NSA by Nyder · · Score: 1

      If the NSA was dumb enough to do this then they just wrote a blanket invitation to all countries to attack US owned agencies and companies openly with impunity. They will sound like complete hypocrites (even more so) and be ignored when other countries do it. I doubt NSA would be that dumb...I hope.

      https://news.slashdot.org/stor...

      Read that article, they admit to hacking other countries.

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    15. Re:I dobut it was NSA by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      All your signals are belong to us!

      X0X0X0 Uncle Sam

      Seriously though, if you don't think the US government takes election tampering seriously, my goodness. There are going to be a wide variety of responses to be expected. I wouldn't be surprised to see arrests or intrigue.

    16. Re: I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope they hack other countries... isnt that their job?! To gather intel?

    17. Re:I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      USA sends their troops to invade some small and poor countries around the world, miles away from their homes. And who supplies terrorist organizations:
      US, Turkey, Saudi Arabia (Al Qaeda, ISIS, UCQ terrorist organization from Kosovo, and probably more).

    18. Re:I dobut it was NSA by NotAPK · · Score: 2

      Is anyone else a little disappointed with season 2 so far? We're four episodes in and absolutely nothing has happened!! If Elliot spend most of this season pissing about inside his head then I'm afraid all the groove set up in season 1 will be lost :(

    19. Re:I dobut it was NSA by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      NSA hacked a lot of countries before this hack. Even allies.

      How do you even know this? Are you guessing?

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    20. Re:I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=american+authoritarian+regimes

    21. Re:I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stuxnet intended to cause a meltdown.

    22. Re:I dobut it was NSA by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

      Americans being the bully on this planet is completely unrelated to Russia's behavour, but if you put it that way, then what Russia does is small potatoes in comparison, barely a blip on the radar. Even the UK has invaded more countries in the past 20 years and is responsible for more people killed.

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    23. Re: I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      speaking as a finnish dude..

      I find it crazy that USA first says that a cyberattack is an act of war and theb proceeds to give state agencies the rights to perform them without congressional oversight.

      Russia, sure, they do whatever shit they want but at least they don't pretend it would be acts of war.

    24. Re: I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uh actually it is not. unless you consider that doing what they defined as an act of war against other nato countries is their job?

      you understand that those actions could break up nato? say that usa gets caught hacking germany when germany has an usa skeptic new government and they decide to rate it with usa made definition and they decide to call the nato defense assist card into play, technically all other nato countries would after that be contractually obligated to declare war on usa, due to usa attacking a nato country.

      you cant expect any respect as a country if you change criteria depending on who does it. fuck you america is something you will then start hearing a lot more and countries will just outright stop extraditing anyone to usa on hacking charges, as some countries already do.

    25. Re:I dobut it was NSA by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 2

      NSA hacked a lot of countries before this hack. Even allies.

      How do you even know this? Are you guessing?

      How do you not know this? Are you Trolling?

    26. Re: I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She will have plenty of opportunities to tell him that during the presidential debates.
      Basically, all her arguments are based on the fact that all that regular folks can do in response to her crimes is to kiss her ass. She has made that much clear.

      Trump is the one who might be able to change this.

    27. Re:I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Funny how the U.S. is the bully when Russia repeatedly interferes in the internal affairs of its neighbors, sends its troops to invade and attack its neighbors and funds and supplies terrorist organizations on its neighbors soil to destabilize them.

      You could have the same about US policy in Central and South America at least a couple of years back.

      Try the last 40-50 years w.r.t. US meddling in Central America and South America among other countries around the planet. Who funded Osama bin Laden when the US was fighting a proxy war with the Russians in Afghanistan? The US has blood dripping from its fingertips.

    28. Re:I dobut it was NSA by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      They're just following the long-standing example of the USA.

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    29. Re: I dobut it was NSA by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      American exceptionalism. "It's wrong except when we do it."

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    30. Re: I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with your point, but the usa has been all up on central/south America for a lot longer than that... Like early 1800s. Almost since the usa became a country

    31. Re:I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Us? taking election fraud seriously? you mean like the fact that the discrepancy between exit polls and the announced results indicates ongoing fraud since 1992?

    32. Re: I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at the DNC troll try to create the illusion that she's somehow the defender of freedom against Putin. Remember that time when Obama and Clinton told us that Russia was A-Ok and that the only problem between the US and Russia was Bush being a meanie? She even took a goddamn reset button to them for pete sake. Now you are playing a game of neo-con. Give me a damn break.

      https://goo.gl/images/bdEUkI

    33. Re: I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure thing!

      Now back to raping my Syrian sex slave... For the glory of the caliphate, of course.

    34. Re: I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      can't we just agree that both the US and Russia are bullies?

    35. Re:I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well over a decade, I would imagine.

    36. Re: I dobut it was NSA by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

      American LEADERSHIP exceptionalism. "It's wrong except when we do it."

      FTFY

    37. Re: I dobut it was NSA by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

      " Seriously though, if you don't think the US government takes election tampering seriously, my goodness. "

      The USG just hates competition is all. Can't swing an election one way or another with other folks meddling with things too. :)

    38. Re:I dobut it was NSA by billd10 · · Score: 0

      Interesting that they did this after an alleged attack on the DNC. Shows you what they really care about.

    39. Re:I dobut it was NSA by cold+fjord · · Score: 0

      . . . when one of our presidential candidates invited and approved of Russia and other countries to hack us.

      That isn't actually what happened. Did you misunderstand it?

      Maybe this will help:

      Krauthammer’s Take: Trump’s Russia Comment 'Set a Trap That the Clinton Campaign Fell Into'

      Charles Krauthammer said tonight that the Clinton campaign contradicted itself by calling Donald Trump’s request for Russia to locate Hillary’s missing e-mails a threat to national security:

      Well, that was his parting shot, and it was a clever thing to plant, because it is an issue. But I do think there was something about his reference to Russia that, whether planned or not, was extremely clever. I’m not the first to point out that it set a trap that the Clinton campaign fell right into. In that statement that you showed from the Clinton campaign, it said you’re [Trump] is inviting a foreign power to invade our national security.

      Now, these are the e-mails she deleted because they were supposedly private; these were the ones that were supposedly not work-related; these are the ones where she discusses her yoga lessons and wedding planning. So if that what was really in the 30,000 deleted e-mails, then there’s no national security to be involved at all. So the Clinton campaign ends up admitting that perhaps there really is work-related – if not classified – stuff in the e-mails that she deleted, which I think would be grounds for a charge of obstruction.

      Whether or not he meant it seriously – it could have been sarcastic, it could have been sort of half-sarcastic as a way to plant the idea – the fact is that it leaves the Clinton campaign in a complete contradiction. If these are just private e-mails, then there is nothing to be concerned about. There is no espionage. There is no danger to national security that they will discover her yoga lesson schedule.

      I'm also curious, do you credit Russia and other countries with having a time machines? If not, how do you think they will now hack into the US to get deleted emails on a server that isn't on the public internet? Or were you just trolling on Hillary's behalf?

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    40. Re:I dobut it was NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you make a lexical analysis, you will definitely find that I'm not from Russia. I probably made some very specific mistakes and used vocabulary related to my mother language. It is very complicated to hide that.

      Hint: I live in a country in Europe where the leading internet provider have been most probably hack by NSA. And yes, we are allied. And yes, we don't like when we are bullied. We are even more disgusted when it comes from a country we used for so long to consider as friends. Now, we distrust you. And, may I remember that you will soon have a Russia fan as president...

    41. Re:I dobut it was NSA by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Wasn't there stuff in the Snowden files about the NSA hacking Merkel's phone? And bugging G8 summit meetings?

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    42. Re: I dobut it was NSA by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Because the US has conquered Middle East countries and occupied them for a period of time?

      Exactly which Middle East country has the US annexed like Crimea or parts of Georgia?

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    43. Re:I dobut it was NSA by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Name a single country that the US annexed like Crimea or parts of Georgia.

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  4. That's nice by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    Good to see the NSA point their guns in the right direction, no?

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    1. Re:That's nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NO, What they do sets the standard for what other countries and groups can do freely. It is like them going off and assassinating or torturing people, it sets the standard for how other groups and enemies will act when encountering americans.

    2. Re:That's nice by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Oh please! The situation is stable.. The sun is going to consume the earth in a few billion years anyway. Let's not sweat the small shit. Just tell them you're Canadian.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    3. Re:That's nice by Sax+Russell+5449D29A · · Score: 2

      There are no right directions in this kind of game any more. Nobody has any moral high ground left to call an end to it, which means it's an ever-escalating cat-and-mouse game. The agencies and politicians doing this should sober up and call an end to it. Make the world a safer place by blocking holes in software products, not create them.

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    4. Re:That's nice by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You gotta do both.

      Nobody has any moral high ground left to call an end to it, which means it's an ever-escalating cat-and-mouse game..

      Exactly. All bets are off. The baddest sociopath wins. But you do get points for subtlety. As they say, "blood is a big expense..."

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    5. Re:That's nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummmm, hmm. You do know that other groups and enemies already torture and assassinate Americans, no? They have for years.

      One of the cruel jokes of the Geneva Convention is how few countries actually follow it, or even pretend to follow it.

    6. Re: That's nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen and even worse geneva convention is for countries radicals and terrorists never

    7. Re:That's nice by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I don't care about moral high ground nearly as much as I care about American elections staying American.

    8. Re:That's nice by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      There is a high ground in this case, just not a moral one. That high ground is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and it is exactly where this stupidity will end. They keep playing this game and eventually they will start pulling each others plugs and we will get caught in the crossfire.

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    9. Re:That's nice by Sax+Russell+5449D29A · · Score: 1

      That's just the thing, it's out of control at the moment. The US, for example, has supported or brought countless dictators to power by fixing or helping fix elections, or otherwise playing dirty. I'm sure the people of these countries feel the same way you do. The healing process begins at home.

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    10. Re:That's nice by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Good to see the NSA point their guns in the right direction, no?

      So they're probably not.

      Bill Binnie is saying that it was an NSA agent who hacked the DNC because he was personally pissed off that SoS Clinton was using Gamma intel in unclassified memos and never had to be accountable for that.

      Anyway, Snowden said that XKeyscore can already tell exactly who hacked the DNC, so the NSA already knows (assuming he's right - he says he's done that kind of tracing himself).

      Putin is probably laughing at the D's and R's tripping all over themselves to point fingers outward. If you have to vote, at least punch the L lever this round (even if they're not L's).

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    11. Re:That's nice by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Possible that Snowden is the "hacker"? He has shown a certain distaste for the democrats, with all his "leaks" targeting this administration, and potentially the next.

      Yeah, Johnson would be the preferred "anti-Trump" vote, but it's Trump's followers that need to be convinced.

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  5. WHAT FUN by axewolf · · Score: 1, Insightful

    THE COLD WAR IS BACK its like a sports game our team vs. theirs what a time to be alive!
    This totally makes me forget about the fact that my government directs the same exact actions that it uses to ATTACK Russia toward me and mine for the purposes of our own SECURITY. It makes a lot of sense! The enemy is not my government and my employer that supports it, but it is a foreign entity that has almost no effect on my life whatsoever.

    1. Re:WHAT FUN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The citizens are the enemy, too.

    2. Re:WHAT FUN by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      Yeah it would be fun to watch the CIA fund the opposition in russia to weaken the position of putin. Its not that they are not experienced, this is a standard tool in their toolset. Maybe we get crimea back, and russia becomes a democracy. Russia joining EU, anyone??

    3. Re:WHAT FUN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah and instead of building SR-71s and F-15s and SDI, we are reading each other's emails. I don't know if this pussyfied future is good or bad...

    4. Re:WHAT FUN by Layzej · · Score: 0

      it would be fun to watch the CIA fund the opposition in russia to weaken the position of putin.

      There is evidence that Russia has been doing something similar in the USA:

      In his research from St. Petersburg, Chen discovered that Russian internet trolls — paid by the Kremlin to spread false information on the internet — have been behind a number of "highly coordinated campaigns" to deceive the American public.

      "I created this list of Russian trolls when I was researching. And I check on it once in a while, still. And a lot of them have turned into conservative accounts, like fake conservatives. I don't know what's going on, but they're all tweeting about Donald Trump and stuff,"

    5. Re:WHAT FUN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you a Russian troll? Why the fuck are you yelling that we ATTACKED Russia. It seems like you think that the US is the provocateur. Perhaps you missed the part about the DNC hacks.

      And the sarcastic bullshit about the NSA attacking you using the same exact actions . Oh wait, you are serious about that. I guess the only thing I can add at this point is delusions usually require professional help.

      Fucking idiot.
       

    6. Re:WHAT FUN by fnj · · Score: 1

      THE COLD WAR IS BACK

      The cold war was too much of a good thing for too many of the power elite for them to let it go. Part of it (but not all of it) is that it fits their worldview of cowboys and indians. With the cold war to fall back on, they never have to evaluate real issues with real thought.

    7. Re:WHAT FUN by fnj · · Score: 2

      Maybe we get crimea back, and russia becomes a democracy.

      Who is "we"? Russia *IS* a representative democratic republic, Sparky. It's just as much a "democracy" as the US. As for the Crimea, the people spoke in a referendum, and unification with Russia won. Look, the Crimea was always overrun since antiquity by one set of conquerors after another; it got its ass handed to it when it was annexed by Russia in 1783. Then the USSR colonized it pretty thoroughly from 1917 on. Unfortunate, but no way is that going to be undone, any more than the seizure of North and South America from the natives by Europeans will be undone.

    8. Re:WHAT FUN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What did the Russians do, trick everyone into watching Fox "News" ?

    9. Re:WHAT FUN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You didn't need to sign your name at the bottom. We can all tell just what you are. Thinking this was the first time the NSA hacked Russia. How adorably naive you are.

    10. Re:WHAT FUN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be ridiculous. With Murdoch Sr. on the way out and Ailes canned, Fox News is going to trend further to the left. All the "real" American Constitutional conservatives ditched Fox News ages ago.

      Not that most Trump supporters care about those people.

    11. Re:WHAT FUN by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      THE COLD WAR IS BACK

      Was it ever really gone, or just taking a nap?

      We're gonna need more missile defense, though.

    12. Re:WHAT FUN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yawn.

      Wake us if they ever trend further to the truth.

    13. Re:WHAT FUN by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      Who is "we"? Russia *IS* a representative democratic republic, Sparky. It's just as much a "democracy" as the US.

      Not even the most brainwashed supporter could ever actually believe that. Russia is a democracy in name only. It isn't a constitutional democracy--the constitution says whatever Putin says it does. The US is highly flawed, but nobody is concerned that Obama is going to have Trump killed. Putin won't allow challengers, and we both know it.

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    14. Re:WHAT FUN by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      Who is "we"?

      Citizens of the "grand area" of places of US influence. You know, it is true, the US maintains some sort of control over countries which live in the "grand area", the area of its influence. But the countries have much better freedom, much better judiciary systems, much less bribe going on and almost no oligarchy system in the economy. That's why I am on their side.

      any more than the seizure of North and South America from the natives by Europeans will be undone.

      Are these countries parts of the territory of the european countries? No they aren't, they became independent. Different story for crimea.

    15. Re:WHAT FUN by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Yeah it would be fun to watch the CIA fund the opposition in russia to weaken the position of putin.

      Do you think we didn't have a role in the Ukrainian fiasco that ousted the pro-Russian government?

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    16. Re:WHAT FUN by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      I am most certain we had.

  6. I'm bored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was not the NSA, it was me. Too hot to go outside, and I'm bored, so I decided to hack the Russian intelligence services. Info will be on WIkiLeaks shortly ...

  7. Wait... by Budgreen · · Score: 2

    Didn't anonymous post something a day or so ago claiming something similar?

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    1. Re:Wait... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Anonymous says a lot of things.

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    2. Re: Wait... by Budgreen · · Score: 1

      Had to do with a utility company? Wish I could remember where I saw it.

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  8. World bullies fighting! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wait that I reach the popcorn!

    1. Re:World bullies fighting! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll get to the popcorn, I keep extra in my bomb shelter.

  9. No, it was me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did it. i agree it is hot outside, but i am not bored, i simply wanted to find oug about the aliends that the kgb abducted from roswell. Thry werd my friends. Except Zoidberg.

    1. Re:No, it was me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be an alien given your complete of ability to spell or proof read.

    2. Re: No, it was me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you may from same system.

    3. Re: No, it was me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't the KGB, it was me. Twas in the area. I took them back to the homeworld. Are you telling me that I didn't nab any humans? Are you?

    4. Re: No, it was me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes his complete of ability...

  10. Snowden around by novitk · · Score: 0

    having our buddy Edward around should be handy for Putin!

  11. In other news by Budgreen · · Score: 2

    Russian intelligence agencies use computers with Webcam's and mic's in uncovered and useable condition?

    I find this a bit hard to believe.

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    1. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      A bit hard. try impossible to believe. It would be like suggesting the NSA sit in front of computers with open webcams and mics. I work with one defense agency (from another country) and cameras are not permitted in the building, any permanent device with a web cam either has it mechanically disabled or tapped over. I would be stunned if this is not standard practise everywhere, especially agencies in the US and Russia where they take paranoid to whole new levels.

    2. Re: In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Been there done that as well. I usually just leave my cells and laptop etc in my truck. One place provides code access lockers for stuff in the lobby, but sure, not using that.

      Also been in places like this where I'm there routinely and the rules get bent.

      One govt defense materials supplier, (few Russian guys) let me in to work on some equipment then left... gone for an hour or so with just me in the building. Granted they don't do anything unique or especially secret that I could tell, but their lobby has strict no electronic devices and escort required posters everywhere.

    3. Re: In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have been inside NSA facility, can confirm they are not dumb enough to have webcams, or for that matter non air gapped systems. They are very thorough about that.

    4. Re:In other news by chasm22 · · Score: 1

      A quick reread might help.

      The article stated that "the attack targeted state organizations and defense companies". No mention of intelligence agencies.

    5. Re: In other news by Budgreen · · Score: 1

      ABC News reports that the NSA "is likely 'hacking back' Russia's government-linked cyber-espionage teams "

      Ok.. RE-read.

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    6. Re: In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Left you "alone" to see what you would do you mean?

    7. Re: In other news by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      or for that matter non air gapped systems.

      Oh good, no databases. That must make IT easy.

    8. Re: In other news by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      Have been inside NSA facility, can confirm they are not dumb enough to have webcams, or for that matter non air gapped systems.

      How do they share information amongst their computers then? The only thing I can imagine is via sneakernet, but of course malware can and does propagate via USB keys and laptops also, so it seems like even that might not be sufficient.

      I suppose printing everything to paper and then typing it all back in on the next computer might be secure (assuming the typist recognizes malware before he types it in ;)), but that doesn't sound very practical.

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    9. Re:In other news by phantomfive · · Score: 1
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    10. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mostly every laptop has a webcam and a microphone.

    11. Re: In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me clarify: air gapped network. And multiple ones, too.

    12. Re: In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have been inside NSA facility, can confirm they are not dumb enough to have webcams, or for that matter non air gapped systems. They are very thorough about that.

      We will be dispatching a black van to your home within the hour. Please have your personal affairs in order, you will not be returning home.

    13. Re: In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, all the stuff that Snowden downloaded was off of a single machine?

  12. Favoritism by ebonum · · Score: 1

    We should ask: If the republicans had been hacked, would Obama launch an attack?

    (Assuming this story is true.)

    1. Re:Favoritism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure if this is as much a party issue (they can paint it up as that to gain easy favoritism) but it may be an issue with the dominate power structure in the US government attacking as they feel their power threatened. There's a larger dominant group that falls outside of party lines that has every intention of maintaining their power come hell or high water.

    2. Re:Favoritism by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The favoritism is all from the media - notice how quickly attention was diverted from the DNC fixing the nomination process? If this had been the republicans, they'd be all over the nomination fixing like flies on shit.

      Subverting the election process is a lot more damaging long-term than a one-time hack by someone in Russia who may or may not be from the government.

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    3. Re:Favoritism by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      I'd bet you he would. Any excuse will suffice to get a free pass on collecting all that information.

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    4. Re:Favoritism by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      Correct. Now if only everybody could figure it out. By now it should be so obvious that a 5 year old could see it.

    5. Re:Favoritism by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "how quickly attention was diverted from the DNC fixing the nomination process"

      That is more because there was no evidence of the DNC fixing their nomination process, just an expected level of ineffectual bitching by minor players.

      The common message these days is that Wikileaks no longer promotes any useful information, just doxing of proles.

    6. Re:Favoritism by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Informative
      The DNC was supposed to be impartial. The DNC favored Clinton before any votes were cast. Bernie was a "problem" for them.

      Other emails show DNC staff in damage control over allegations from the Sanders campaign, when a report - corroborated by a Politico - revealed the DNC’s joint fundraising committee with the Clinton campaign was laundering money to the Clinton campaign instead of fundraising for down-ticket Democrats. Regardless of the fundraising tactics, because both major campaigns didn’t agree to use the joint fundraising committee super-PAC with the DNC, the DNC should have recused itself from participating with just the Clinton campaign.

      Follow the money.

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    7. Re: Favoritism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhhh no. I'm not a bernie supporter, but fuck you for that lie.

      Debbie W. wrote in numerous emails with CLEAR bias against Sanders. That's not some "low level peon" you fucking dipshit. She's the top person calling all of the shots.

    8. Re:Favoritism by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      That is more because there was no evidence of the DNC fixing their nomination process, just an expected level of ineffectual bitching by minor players.

      This is the stupid spin we're talking about. There's *tons* of evidence the DNC was subverting their nomination process. But unless Anderson Cooper says it, people don't think it. So the media says "nothing to see here, move along move along" when there is in fact tons to see here. The media shifted focus to "Trump's a russian agent!" This is so completely ridiculous I hope it helps wake people up to the propaganda shitshow our media is.

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  13. TIT FOR TAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So how much then,

    for two tits? Two tats?

    1. Re: Tit for Tat by wasteoid · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ha ha ha! Russian elections! Oh wait, you were serious.

    2. Re:Tit for Tat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I support our leaders lying and swindling to get to the top. How dare anyone try to reveal that. What's a go-to country we can blame that's predominantly white (because gotta be PC) nobody cares about?"

    3. Re:Tit for Tat by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Might be pretty easy, just hack into the systems Russia uses to fix their elections.

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    4. Re:Tit for Tat by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      that's predominantly white (because gotta be PC)

      Please. The administration has never once shied away from blaming hacks on North Korea or China.

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    5. Re:Tit for Tat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are the example of how one can be manipulated into FEUD. Follow the money...

    6. Re: Tit for Tat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't argue with the Russian troll farm guy :p

    7. Re: Tit for Tat by aliquis · · Score: 2

      Ha ha ha! Russian elections! Oh wait, you were serious.

      I don't know how Trump consider himself relative Putin but I'm not sure he's got the upper hand.

      Anyone who's willing to vote for Trump would likely had been willing to vote for Putin too. Coming from Sweden I'd vote for all of Trump, Putin and Hitler if I had a choice but sadly I don't.

    8. Re: Tit for Tat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, I agree.

      The reality though, is that Russian people are much happier with the choice that is forced upon them than Americans are.

      The Russians have a strong leader who is even popular in the USA.

      The Americans have a choice between Donald Trump and a turd sandwich.

  14. Tit for Tat by guises · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, woo! Take that! You fuck with our elections?! Well we'll fuck with your elections, Russia...

  15. Russia's "critically important infrastructures". by EvilSS · · Score: 4, Funny

    So their vodka distilleries and botnets got hit?

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  16. HEY RUSSIA DONT EXPOSE OUR PSEUDO DEMOCRACY OMG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Lol. So, the Obama/Clinton duo got outed for rigging the DNC in Clinton's favor, proving, once again, that American democracy is a farce. Their response? Immediately invoke McCarthyism and, without a shred of evidence, attack Russia!

    What a country.

  17. Wouldn't it be nice by Snotnose · · Score: 3, Insightful

    if the NSA would tell Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, et all of the vulnerabilities they knew about so the companies could patch their software? But no, the Kremlin uses the same vulnerable software so if the NSA protects American citizens it makes it harder to hack the Kremlin.

    1. Re: Wouldn't it be nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Even worse, the NSA makes companies leave holes open for reasons of national security.
      It really is a 1984 situation, insecurity is security.

  18. I call BS by mea2214 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My bullshit detector is going full tilt over this entire affair. Somebody is making up stories to feed a gullible press that does little to no fact checking anymore.

    1. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The press isn't gullible, they're part of it.

    2. Re:I call BS by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Is it gullibility or are they just taking orders?

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      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    3. Re:I call BS by axewolf · · Score: 1

      I call BS on your entire frame of mind.

      The press isn't gullible, they just don't care. They know their job is to prune the psyche of the public, not to report facts and allow the public to maintain its own psyche.

    4. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah this. Just because Russian media reports it, doesn't have anything to do with whether or not it's completely true. Or even partially true. Or even slightly true.

    5. Re:I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prothero: Do you believe this crap: Dascombe?

      Dascombe: It's not our job to believe it, Lewis. Our job is to tell the people --
      Flag as Inappropriate

    6. Re: I call BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I'm a grudging Hillary supporter, for lack of better options, and these things make me roll my eyes and cringe. The recent 24 hour news story about Trump viciously attacking the Muslim parents is similar. Like, come on, the guy has said far worse, but the Democrats are compelled to spin these as horrible comments because... politics. It just cheapens the other horrible things Trump says and dilutes the whole argument against the guy. It's depressingly disgusting all around.

    7. Re:I call BS by backwardsposter · · Score: 1

      Good call. But doesn't matter, it's a story, damnit!

    8. Re:I call BS by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      It's just kind of all incestuous. You've got journalists married to DNC honchos or siblings of people in the administration, all beholden to the money from the same companies that own the media outlets. Our media is just propaganda, but it's not like the state is running the media. It's more like the same people who run the state run the media.

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  19. Re:Russia's "critically important infrastructures" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think we hit their vodka, or they would have already launched nuclear weapons in response. That would be going too far.

  20. Data leaks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Ever notice how there's never any massive data dumps with salacious details about comrade vlad in these hacks?

    1. Re:Data leaks? by swb · · Score: 1

      Vlad rode a horse without a shirt. Fucking Chuck Norris won't say shit about him.

  21. I predicted Trump would cause WW3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    But I never imagined it would go down like this, or that it would even kick off before he is President.

  22. Good question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Given that they can call the CEO and ask people on Morning Joe to be forced to apologize if they say something they don't like and that they're holding clandestine fundraisers with the Washington Post that their lawyers told them not to do, it's hard to tell any more.

    For anyone asking for a cite, go read the email leaks.

    1. Re:Good question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are in for a rough ride through life if you think 99% of the people that say they care about the facts or truth actually do care. And of those of us that are left the vast majority are just too lazy or busy to read.

      The war for reality was lost a long time ago because too few people care about it.

  23. It's not the NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's CowboyNeal.

    Oops, I've said too much alreadNO CARRIER

  24. Re: HEY RUSSIA DONT EXPOSE OUR PSEUDO DEMOCRACY OM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get back to your cubicle comrade... Or we'll dock you your potato wages for the week.

  25. where's the news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Just like the Russians had the technical capabilities and legal authorities to hack you in the first place.

    What did you think Russia doesn't follow Russian laws? Thats cute.

  26. Hack Hick Hick Hack by no-body · · Score: 2

    Does it pay????

    It's the boys in a sand box, eh - I get you back for destroying my sand castle.

    Only problem here is that this is not limited to just the sand box and the kids playing in it, maybe the parents to some degree but the billions of humans affected - and much fewer participating as string puppets making the games possible...

    A similar game is tit for tat where totally unrelated individuals suffer.
    The string pullers should be locked in a great cage so they can fight it out and hit their own heads bloody.
    Maybe the good Donald will finally get this fixed?

    Oh well.....

  27. Irresponsible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If the Russians did it they didn't hack the USA government. They hacked the DNC and made Hillary look bad compared to Bernie by revealing the truth about Wasserman Schultz's grubbiness.

    That's no excuse to use the USA governments resources for a cyberstrike against the Russian government. Very irresponsible. Don't confuse "defending" the DNC with defending the USA. Two very different things.

    1. Re:Irresponsible by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      A foreign agency is very possibly trying to interfere in US elections. Maybe you didn't think about that.

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    2. Re:Irresponsible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If they are interfering by exposing what politicians plan and say to each other behind closed doors then they're welcome to come and do some more as far as I'm concerned.

  28. Something doesn't sound right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NSA hackers have been able to watch from the inside as malicious actors conduct their operations in real time

    Why would they go that far, but not actually stop the operations?

    1. Re:Something doesn't sound right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NSA hackers have been able to watch from the inside as malicious actors conduct their operations in real time

      Why would they go that far, but not actually stop the operations?

      They are probably biding their time, seeing who is doing what, so they can be there to stop or prepare for the operation they (the NSA) know is coming soon and/or make plans to take future action against the people or groups responsible.

      The thing about stopping an operation in progress is that when you do, you tip your hand.

    2. Re: Something doesn't sound right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Legally.. they can't stop the hack. They're a sigint agency. They can report.

  29. Yet more cyber büllshit by khz6955 · · Score: 1

    Prothero: Do you believe this crap: Dascombe?

    Dascombe: It's not our job to believe it, Lewis. Our job is to tell the people --

  30. We used to call it poppin con. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Punch yourself in front of a staff and sock somebody up, saying they did it first.

    Hack yourself then come to the rescue.

    US government are grasping at straws right now, believe nothing hack or spy related it is all fucking bullshit.

    Welcome back to life EditorDavid you dead son of a bitch liar.

  31. What are they waiting for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just release skynet already!

  32. It will teach them a lesson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not to use the US made OSs, but to develop their own.

  33. Give up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hillary will win this election. And the next. She will also get an overwhelming majority in Congress in due time. Get over it. I would back up your legitimate data to prepare for transfer to "approved" devices if I were in your shoes, and destroy any possible evidence of politically etherodox viewpoints. Dispossess yourself of anything that could get you into trouble (guns above all, but also "questionable" literature and audio/video material that could be seen as "controversial"). Step into line. Conform. It's not that hard.

  34. Nevermind what was revealed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Russians did it so be angry at them! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

  35. wow!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Truly the government is embarrassed of what revealed in the DNC emails. In all the hacks that's happened in the past few years, this one prompts the Nsa to hack back?????

  36. Typewriters for security? Sure, sure... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    It's just a Russian version of security theater.

    They should know.

    During much of the Cold War typewriters were state of the art, so they were the focus of spooks and spies just as mobile phone networks, emails and social networks are today.
    Techniques were developed to use cheap microphones to listen to key taps and decipher what was being written, spy cameras could peer over typist's shoulders and undercover agents could photograph and leak documents.
    Debonair KGB agents were even tasked with seducing typists and winkling information from them.
    Missile-equipped Aston Martins aside, some of what you see in James Bond films actually went on.

    In 1984 the NSA became paranoid about the extent of this sort of Russian infiltration and began what it called Project Gunman, under which it replaced every piece of communications equipment at embassies in Moscow and Leningrad.
    It shipped the old devices back to the US for analysis, and when they were X-rayed it was discovered that 16 IBM Selectric typewriters had been bugged.
    For eight years they had sent the contents of every single document to the Kremlin, via a man crouching outside with a radio receiver.

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  37. In Soviet Russia, Humpty Dumpty hacks you :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enjoy the files!

  38. Re:Russia's "critically important infrastructures" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ! !

  39. All a smoke screen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please ignore the complete media blackout of election fraud, the killing of a prosecutor's husband investigating bill clinton for sex slavery with epstein, the death of the DNC election Data director, the huge clinton foundation selling out of the state department, the collusion between comey-lorrette lynn-clintons-hsbc, and the absolute fail to prosecute for 158 counts minimum secret data stashing so foreign agents can get it. Yep its those nasty russians. sigh... Look what our failure to be fix the system does. Feel free to keep voting for people that are part of the process, perhaps the TPP getting the rest of your middle class jobs to leave will make it all better. Of course its not like what you vote for this election cycle will matter, the fix is already in.

  40. This attack was in fact carried out by the NSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They need every big time side show right now they can get, to take your eyes off the election. The election is a sham election.

    Body double Hillary vs. Trump/Bernie with same Jewish backers.

    I wouldn't blame Putin if he just fucked some spies up.

  41. THIS IS DUMB!!!! And why Democrats suck by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    First off,

    The Democrat Party/DNC/etc is NOT the U.S. government. It is a private company...that is all. Were it not so, the election fraud engaged in would have every oath sword and bound officer of the U.S. armed forces obligated to act in the DNCs removal for being a clear and present threat to our Constitution's democracy. But it's not...it is merely a political party.

    So what if it was hacked by Russians. Of which I am rather doubtful.

    So we are going to engage in an escalation of cyber-warfare with a nuclear armed nation over politics. That's just dumb. And when they respond and hack the Pentagon? Or other fare far more critical assets....what then?

    What happens when they realize they can hack our drones and crash them into our own carriers. This is just stupid behavior on the part of our President who is retaliating over personal attachment. DUMB DUMB DUMB.

  42. Re:THIS IS DUMB!!!! And why Democrats suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So we are going to engage in an escalation of cyber-warfare with a nuclear armed nation over politics. That's just dumb. And when they respond and hack the Pentagon? Or other fare far more critical assets....what then?

    What happens when they realize they can hack our drones and crash them into our own carriers. This is just stupid behavior on the part of our President who is retaliating over personal attachment. DUMB DUMB DUMB.

    I think the worst thing about the internet is that it has made people feel empowered to share opinions on subjects they know nothing about. You know nothing about the intelligence community, or what they do. You have no idea who conducted this hack. You have no idea if Obama had anything to do with it. You apparently have no idea that "cyber-warfare" by your definition is already going on 24/7 all over the world. Believe me, if the Russians knew how to "hack our drones and crash them into our carriers," they wouldn't hold back. It isn't a matter of waking up one morning and realizing they could have been doing that this whole time.

    So how about we all stop playing Monday-morning Quarterback and let the adults handle their business.

  43. Re:THIS IS DUMB!!!! And why Democrats suck by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    Blah blah blah....

    I never said we didn't engage in it. But publicly announcing we're increasing our cyber attacks....sorry. If you think that is good intelligence community action than you're dumb as !@#$