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Charter: City Giving Google Fiber Unfair Edge (courier-journal.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Louisville's largest cable and internet provider says the city is giving Google Fiber an unfair advantage, and it wants Mayor Greg Fischer to step in and ease key regulations in the coming weeks. In a July 28 letter, Charter Communications told Fischer the city's separate franchise agreements allow Google to operate under less burdensome rules despite the two companies offering local customers similar services. "There is no justification for different regulatory treatment," said Jason Keller, Charter's government liaison. The letter was addressed to Fischer, the 26-member Metro Council and more than five dozen other mayors representing smaller suburban cities. Charter representatives claim unlike Google, it is obligated to pay money to the city above and beyond the millions in tax proceeds Louisville receives; to provide free internet and cable television to dozens of city-owned buildings; and provide costly government channels, as well as a studio for public access channels. Kellie Watson, Fischer's general counsel, said in a statement that Charter "raised some interesting issues and ideas" but that the administration will need to consult with the county attorney's office given the franchise agreement involves federal regulations.

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  1. The headline should read; by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Google Ubers Charter.

    1. Re:The headline should read; by Shortguy881 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I like Google Fiber, I do agree that Google Fiber and Charter should be playing by the same rules from a regulatory standpoint. Charter service sucks, so Google Fiber will most likely win on its own merit, but this kind of preferential treatment is a bad stance for the city to take.

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    2. Re:The headline should read; by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't believe they should play by the same rules. You see, Charter, like cable companies most places in the US, was granted a monopoly by the city for cable services. Nobody else can compete with them in their region. Since Google uses fiber (like telcos use copper or fiber), they CAN compete since they are not granted a city-wide monopoly. If Charter wants to use the same regulatory environment that Google uses then they need to open up their infrastructure to competitors and give up their city granted monopoly. Until they do that - they should operate under different rules. After all those "expensive studios", free access to government buildings, etc. were in return for that monopoly. Give Google a monopoly on the area and you can get concessions like that from them. Until then - Charter should shut up.

    3. Re: The headline should read; by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's not really the same, cable and phone companies built their nerworks with your tax dollars. Google is paying their own way.

  2. This will get interesting... by KenHansen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because the city offered Charter a monopoly on certain services in the city, the city was able to demand certain concessions from Charter - by letting Google break Charter's monopoly, the city can no longer demand those concessions... Bye-bye public access, bye-bye free internet for city offices, schools, etc.

    1. Re:This will get interesting... by dex22 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Charter provides television to the city neighborhoods. It is incumbent on them to provide public access because of those television services. All of those concessions except internet service are still for unique services Charter is exclusively providing. Google doesn't do broadcast television.

    2. Re:This will get interesting... by Holi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Google doesn't do broadcast television."

      It sure looks like they do in Kansas City

      https://fiber.google.com/citie...

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    3. Re:This will get interesting... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 3, Informative

      And yet not in other areas: "Service not available in all areas" https://fiber.google.com/citie...

    4. Re:This will get interesting... by stephanruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Google has public access. It's called youtube. Anyone can upload videos to it.

      It's far better than public access cable if you ask me.

    5. Re:This will get interesting... by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Charter is a Cable TV provider, and were as such when they got their charter. Google is an ISP. The fact Charter has decided to compete in the space Google is also entering doesn't mean previous obligations concerning the provision of TV services are no longer valid.

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    6. Re: This will get interesting... by MitchDev · · Score: 4, Informative

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHAHAHAHHHA!

      "Precious channel space"? You mean like Comcast with a few hundred channels and tons of channel numbers with nothing? Tons of channels that no one ever actually watches? Channels that charge cable companies to carry them yet if the cable companies don't carry those channels, there's no real way for people to see that channel?

      Silly cable companies, the truth about you and your over-charging is coming home to bite you in the ass. And you deserve every last bite.

    7. Re:This will get interesting... by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I do not think that public access is in payment for a monopoly but for TV in general. Honestly who cares about public access tv when you could do it all with Youtube today.
      Cable TV is not internet and internet is not cable TV Charter was given a franchise for Cable TV not for internet. They just are just using the same infrastructure for a new profit center.

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    8. Re: This will get interesting... by MitchDev · · Score: 2

      Oh, and let's not forget cable companies that have two copies of almost every channel. One in the government-mandated "HD" and one in SD, but they still charge you extra to receive HD....

  3. Charter is probably right by mi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The reason our choice of communication-providers is so limited aren't the companies — those are as hungry for our dollars as ever — but the local governments.

    They've created these barriers over the years and were happy to milk them. Now Google comes along and it is cool and persuasive, so, instead of honestly removing the regulatory burdens for all, they find a way to ease them just for one company.

    This is "crony capitalism", which has about as much to do with capitalism, as a guinea pig has to do with pork... Some may even call it Fascism.

    Of course, Charter did not mind the situation themselves — for as long as their de-facto monopoly was not threatened. But we — the consumers — kept losing...

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  4. Internet Provider vs Cable Provider? by bjwest · · Score: 2

    Doesn't Google provide only internet? Why would they have to provide government channels and public access studios?

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    1. Re:Internet Provider vs Cable Provider? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 3, Informative

      But not in all areas, like FIOS, "Service not available in all areas" https://fiber.google.com/citie... [google.com]

  5. we need of list of cities by "unfair edges" given by smoothnorman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just in terms of fiber i'll add: Seattle :: Comcast. They were given assurances that they wouldn't have to compete against any municipal fiber in return for maintaining a paltry "City Channel" (typically channel 21).

  6. Paying "above and beyond" by synapse7 · · Score: 2

    What are we talking here?
     
      It's hard to feel remorse for Charter when I'm paying nearly $200 a month for cable tv and 60mb service, and we don't get all the channels. Probably further unrelated, but charter is still pushing 5mb business accounts around here, what is that?

    1. Re: Paying "above and beyond" by KenHansen · · Score: 2

      ESPN networks cost $7-8/per month, per cable subscriber... http://www.whatyoupayforsports...

    2. Re: Paying "above and beyond" by MitchDev · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Really, the channels should be paying the cable companies to carry them....without those cable companies, no one would have much access to any of them, so their programming and stupid ads would never get seen...

  7. Pot meet kettle by sjbe · · Score: 4, Informative

    Louisville's largest cable and internet provider says the city is giving Google Fiber an unfair advantage

    Cable companies whining about unfair advantages. Cry me a river. This from the same folks that built their business by convincing municipalities to sign exclusive agreements for cable service within an area.

    1. Re: Pot meet kettle by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 2

      Trolling for the cable companies. Take it elsewhere Potsy.

  8. Re:Make a deal then by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Funny

    Those "public interest" requirements seem outdated anyways. They sound like a relic of the 80s.

    Wayne and Garth have Youtube now.

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  9. Re:Government mandated monopolies and collusion by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Informative

    Government should NOT be involved in regulation of CATV markets. Instead, it should be in the market of providing the Transport Layer, so that ANY company can use the transport layer (Fiber) to provide services, and let the competition happen there, instead of at the last mile.

    Removing the LAST MILE problem from the equation will basically open up competition and we'll see actual innovation and price changes. And some municipalities are starting to go down this road. Once it is shown to work (sufficiently better than current franchise agreements), you'll see the end of the monopolistic nature of CATV and Internet Service

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  10. Charter could be wrong by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cable TV is considered a luxury item. Hence the rules for charter are based on Cable TV Service. Internet on the other hand isn't a luxury service it is needed to operate in modern daily life. Now the Cable TV Industry used their infrastructure to expand to Internet. However it is still bundled, and priced accordingly. Google Fiber is meant to be much cheaper and get more. These government restrictions can be relaxed because 1. it is for a greater good, 2. they are trying to offer services at a lower price point.

    I would agree to charters terms IF they can provide the citizens similar services for similar costs without such extra controls.

    The Cable TV Monopoly has been a bastardization on the US Market for too long. Hense why Cable TV companies are some of the worst to deal with.

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  11. Concessions? by sjbe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For which the cable cos made concessions, now the city wants to scrap the monopoly and keep concessions.

    "Cable company made concessions"? Ha! Pray tell what did the cable company give up to get their monopoly? Who do you think benefited the most?

    Truthfully I couldn't care less if it is unfair to the cable company or not. The sooner we get real competition the better and if a huge cable provide gets screwed in the process, that's just the cherry on top. If you check their record on customer service you aren't going to come away impressed. I only care about the end customers and ensuring they get the best deal.

  12. Guaranteed return by sjbe · · Score: 2

    ...and then poured millions of dollars into their infrastructure. Without the exclusive agreements, the investments wouldn't have been made - it's as simple as that.

    First off with a monopoly that is effectively a risk free investment. I would have ZERO problem pouring millions of dollars into a project that was guaranteed a return if I had any competence at all.

    Second, if you think the infrastructure investments wouldn't have been made by someone you are an idiot. There was too much money at stake for it not to get made. They negotiated a series of deals with tiny municipalities that asked for little in return. Basically they took advantage of (and/or bribed) local officials into giving them a long term monopoly on a cash cow almost guaranteed to generate a substantial profit.