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Too Many New Smartphone Models Released Each Year: Survey (livemint.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Consumers think smartphone makers are releasing too many new models each year, a survey showed on Tuesday. The survey conducted in six countries, commissioned by the environmental group Greenpeace, showed that more than half of those who responded would prefer to change their phones less frequently. Handset devices are one of the most frequently replaced electronics products. The top cellphone companies, Samsung and Apple, launch new flagship phone models at least once every year, showing off the latest display and mobile processor technologies. Phone makers typically upgrade their cheaper lineups as well. "Over half of respondents across the countries surveyed agree that manufacturers are releasing too many new models, many designed to only last a few years," said Chih An Lee, global IT campaigner at Greenpeace East Asia. "In fact, most users actually want their phones to be more easily dismantled, repaired and recycled."

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  1. When I don't want to change my phone by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't change my phone.

    1. Re:When I don't want to change my phone by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Odd, I had the same thought when I read this - I've had the same smartphone for a bit over three years now, and it still works just fine. I fully expect I'll keep it at least another two or three years.

      When I don't want to play along with the upgrade treadmill... I don't.

    2. Re: When I don't want to change my phone by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think the people who are behind the survey realize this, but just simply object to new smartphones coming out as often as they do.

      But this is kind of typical of Greenpeace, actually. They like to distort the truth wherever it suits them. And no, I'm not talking about climate change, I'm talking about deliberately holding back technologies that can solve climate change, such as nuclear energy and GMO, which they oppose at any cost, even when there's overwhelming evidence in favor of these technologies.

    3. Re: When I don't want to change my phone by Holi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      GMO's allow for the use of more pesticides, a necessity in monoculture farming but not a boon for the environment.

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    4. Re: When I don't want to change my phone by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      GMO's allow for the use of more pesticides, a necessity in monoculture farming but not a boon for the environment.

      Actually, GMO crops such as BT corn use less pesticides. "Roundup-Ready" crops allow the use of milder herbicides, since they can be sprayed when weeds are growing, rather than harsher chemicals that can kill seeds. RR crops also encourage "no-till" farming that can greatly reduce erosion and water pollution.

    5. Re: When I don't want to change my phone by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To be fair, smartphone makers could put more emphasis on making the phones last longer as opposed to developing more models.

      Customers want their phones to be thin and inexpensive. Almost nobody is going to buy an expensive, rugged phone. Likewise it is silly to say that customers "want" phones that are "easy to repair". The real question is how much they are willing to pay for that. Answer: almost nothing.

      We don't have rugged repairable phones because those phones failed in the marketplace and are no longer available.

    6. Re: When I don't want to change my phone by dugancent · · Score: 3, Informative

      Roundup-ready corn is off patent now, so no need for Monsanto. That said, there is a Roundup Ready 2 from Monsanto, but they original is available from several companies. Roundup's patent has expired too.

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    7. Re: When I don't want to change my phone by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But if you turn annual crops into perennials you lose the advantages of crop rotation. The crop will become more at risk to pests, weeds, and fungus. The point of rotating the crop is if one of these gets into the field one year it won't have anything to feed on for a number of years and dies out (usually rotates on a seven year cycle). By keeping it a perennial crop you will also lose the chance to plant nitrogen-fixing crops that is normal in a crop rotation schedule. Both of these will cause the use of chemicals and fertilizers to be increased.

    8. Re: When I don't want to change my phone by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      GMO's allow for the use of more pesticides, a necessity in monoculture farming but not a boon for the environment.

      Actually, GMO crops such as BT corn use less pesticides. "Roundup-Ready" crops allow the use of milder herbicides, since they can be sprayed when weeds are growing, rather than harsher chemicals that can kill seeds. RR crops also encourage "no-till" farming that can greatly reduce erosion and water pollution.

      Yeah, sadly, the thought of taste and nutritional value of food is WAAAAAY down the list of important attributes of the industrial food system.

      I feel sorry for kids today, not knowing what a REAL tomato is actually supposed to taste like....that it even is supposed to HAVE a taste.

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    9. Re:When I don't want to change my phone by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's a nice idea, but where can you buy a smartphone that gets security updates for 3-6+ years? Most Android phones get them for a year if you're very lucky, iPhones seem to get 3 years of support (counting from initial release date for that model - less if you buy them after that). Given the kinds of vulnerabilities that we're seeing on Android, I'd be as nervous about connecting one to WiFi without the latest security updates as I would of connecting a Windows PC directly to the Internet in the late '90s.

      I'd love to see manufacturers made liable for providing new phones for customers if they don't provide fixes for fix security holes for 4-6 years.

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    10. Re: When I don't want to change my phone by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ahhh the no true tomato fallacy. Implying that the taste has something magical to do specifically with pesticides and GMO rather than the fact that there are many different types of tomatoes in the world which taste different and a subset of which are chosen in specific areas due to their ability to grow well in a given location and the environment under which it grew.

      Yes there is one REAL tomato which is the only one that tastes good.

      Incidentally the last person who told me that about apples never found out that I wasn't even able to finish eating the sour REAL apple that I was supposed to eat and it ended up in the bin while his back was turned. I have equally high hopes for your idea of what a tomato should taste like.

  2. I'm a consumer whore! And how!! by Desler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    peace, showed that more than half of those who responded would prefer to change their phones less frequently

    Then simply don't replace your phone as often? Just because a new phone is released doesn't mean you have to rush out and buy it...

    1. Re:I'm a consumer whore! And how!! by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, it depends.

      Many new-model phones are based on the latest reasonable tech. That $400 OnePlus Three uses a state-of-the-art Qualcomm processor with six cores operating in heterogeneous mode--slow and fast cores run at the same time, allowing for power scaling without scaling the whole system down. You can get eight-core or eight-and-eight core phones, if you want to pay $1,000 for them, too.

      Packing more cores into the phone doesn't necessarily improve performance. Down the line, your 4-core phone might not be outperformed by an 8-core phone of the same speed; yet the new phones have 4-core processors running at 1.5 the clock rate, with more-efficient processors, consuming less battery and executing at 3x the computational speed. New applications and the sheer load of the stuff you're already running increase, and your phone doesn't work so well anymore.

      So a phone that's "Made to last" might require technology that costs 4x as much, eats battery at 6x the rate, and halves the replacement rate. Overall, that phone will cost you twice as much (costs x 4, lifetime x 2). A phone that's made on the state-of-the-art might last 2-3 years, at a stretch.

      Then someone releases a new graphics standard, and your phone is incapable of using certain things. Not really important on a phone; it's not like you need the latest OpenGL/Vulcan to run Android.

      People think the manufacturers are purposely making phones to wear out after 1-2 years. They don't want to pony up $1,400 for a phone that'll still run well in 6 years, all the while running nearly hot enough to burn a hole in your pocket, with a 4-hour battery life.

  3. Prefer to change? by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you prefer to change your device less frequently, then don't change it. I have an iPhone 4s and it runs the latest iOS. I think the going rate for one is about $60 unlocked. I only get laughed at by hipsters with the 6+ gigantic iPhones in huge otterbox cases. But then I let the air out of their fixie bike tires and they aren't laughing any more.

    1. Re:Prefer to change? by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you prefer to change your device less frequently, then don't change it. I have an iPhone 4s and it runs the latest iOS. I think the going rate for one is about $60 unlocked. I only get laughed at by hipsters with the 6+ gigantic iPhones in huge otterbox cases. But then I let the air out of their fixie bike tires and they aren't laughing any more.

      That's rich .. I'm still using an original 10 year old RAZR flip phone. From my point of view *you* are the hipster, what with all your fancy Apps .. which (dare I say) are for cows.

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  4. Huh? by MitchDev · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The survey conducted in six countries, commissioned by the environmental group Greenpeace, showed that more than half of those who responded would prefer to change their phones less frequently. "

    I'm sorry, is there some law that says just because a new phone comes out you HAVE to throw the old one away and change to it?

    Fucking sheep...

    1. Re:Huh? by ljw1004 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "The survey conducted in six countries, commissioned by the environmental group Greenpeace, showed that more than half of those who responded would prefer to change their phones less frequently. "

      I'm sorry, is there some law that says just because a new phone comes out you HAVE to throw the old one away and change to it?

      Fucking sheep...

      I think the law is "security updates don't come to old Android devices"...

    2. Re:Huh? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm sorry, is there some law that says just because a new phone comes out you HAVE to throw the old one away and change to it?

      Fucking sheep...

      No, but there is a law against fucking sheep.

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    3. Re:Huh? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Since manufacturers tend to abandon most of their products the moment they ship, failing to provide software security updates, there can be good reasons to upgrade cheap phones often. The more expensive ones that most people do keep for 2+ years tend to get updates.

      It's becoming less of a problem as companies like OnePlus release cheap but fairly well supported and powerful phones, but if you walk into the average phone shop most of the crap they have on the shelves has been abandoned already.

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  5. too often? or too many? by green1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They could release an updated model every day for all I care, I'll replace my phone when I need a new phone, not because they released something new.

    Where I think the real problem comes in is that many manufacturers have a dozen different models of phone, all of which are almost the same thing with little to differentiate them, and names and descriptions that make it hard to tell which one is supposed to be better than which.

    When it does come time for a new phone it's very difficult to figure out which of a couple dozen phones from a dozen manufacturers is supposed to be better than which other one.

    Sure I know that a Galaxy S7 is supposed to be better than the S6 which is better than the S5, but where does the S5 neo fit in? it's newer than the S5 so it should be between the S5 and the S6 right? except it turns out they used a cheaper processor than the S5 so it's actually bellow the S5. And where do the J1 and J3 fit in? and how about the A5? and what about the "grand prime"? These are all listed by Samsung as current devices, about the only ones that are easy to understand are the Note and Edge devices because they're relatively clear about what they have that differentiate them from the others.

    Their website gives all sorts of superlatives for each device, but you have to dig to find specs, and then trying to compare the specs is often difficult as they use different terminology or focus on different aspects.

    Manufacturers need to do a better job of communicating what makes their phone different from the dozens of others, and they should probably stick to a much smaller lineup unless they can find some real differentiators to separate their offerings.