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Too Many New Smartphone Models Released Each Year: Survey (livemint.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Consumers think smartphone makers are releasing too many new models each year, a survey showed on Tuesday. The survey conducted in six countries, commissioned by the environmental group Greenpeace, showed that more than half of those who responded would prefer to change their phones less frequently. Handset devices are one of the most frequently replaced electronics products. The top cellphone companies, Samsung and Apple, launch new flagship phone models at least once every year, showing off the latest display and mobile processor technologies. Phone makers typically upgrade their cheaper lineups as well. "Over half of respondents across the countries surveyed agree that manufacturers are releasing too many new models, many designed to only last a few years," said Chih An Lee, global IT campaigner at Greenpeace East Asia. "In fact, most users actually want their phones to be more easily dismantled, repaired and recycled."

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  1. When I don't want to change my phone by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't change my phone.

    1. Re:When I don't want to change my phone by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Odd, I had the same thought when I read this - I've had the same smartphone for a bit over three years now, and it still works just fine. I fully expect I'll keep it at least another two or three years.

      When I don't want to play along with the upgrade treadmill... I don't.

    2. Re: When I don't want to change my phone by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think the people who are behind the survey realize this, but just simply object to new smartphones coming out as often as they do.

      But this is kind of typical of Greenpeace, actually. They like to distort the truth wherever it suits them. And no, I'm not talking about climate change, I'm talking about deliberately holding back technologies that can solve climate change, such as nuclear energy and GMO, which they oppose at any cost, even when there's overwhelming evidence in favor of these technologies.

    3. Re: When I don't want to change my phone by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 2

      Agree on the nuclear energy being able to mitigate climate change but wondering how GMOs would help. Not a foe of GMOs as I believe GMOs are a net plus and beneficial to the food supply, just trying to figure out how they mitigate climate change.

    4. Re: When I don't want to change my phone by Holi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      GMO's allow for the use of more pesticides, a necessity in monoculture farming but not a boon for the environment.

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    5. Re: When I don't want to change my phone by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      To be fair, smartphone makers could put more emphasis on making the phones last longer as opposed to developing more models. But then that is a failing of capitalism in general, because the whole system encourages companies to sell more.

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    6. Re: When I don't want to change my phone by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      GMO's allow for the use of more pesticides, a necessity in monoculture farming but not a boon for the environment.

      Actually, GMO crops such as BT corn use less pesticides. "Roundup-Ready" crops allow the use of milder herbicides, since they can be sprayed when weeds are growing, rather than harsher chemicals that can kill seeds. RR crops also encourage "no-till" farming that can greatly reduce erosion and water pollution.

    7. Re: When I don't want to change my phone by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To be fair, smartphone makers could put more emphasis on making the phones last longer as opposed to developing more models.

      Customers want their phones to be thin and inexpensive. Almost nobody is going to buy an expensive, rugged phone. Likewise it is silly to say that customers "want" phones that are "easy to repair". The real question is how much they are willing to pay for that. Answer: almost nothing.

      We don't have rugged repairable phones because those phones failed in the marketplace and are no longer available.

    8. Re: When I don't want to change my phone by swb · · Score: 2

      And no, I'm not talking about climate change, I'm talking about deliberately holding back technologies that can solve climate change, such as nuclear energy and GMO, which they oppose at any cost, even when there's overwhelming evidence in favor of these technologies.

      Their solution to every problem is to have everyone cold and hungry, huddling in the dark.

      And it does solve all the problems, except for the ones involving being cold and hungry and in the dark.

    9. Re: When I don't want to change my phone by dugancent · · Score: 3, Informative

      Roundup-ready corn is off patent now, so no need for Monsanto. That said, there is a Roundup Ready 2 from Monsanto, but they original is available from several companies. Roundup's patent has expired too.

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    10. Re: When I don't want to change my phone by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But if you turn annual crops into perennials you lose the advantages of crop rotation. The crop will become more at risk to pests, weeds, and fungus. The point of rotating the crop is if one of these gets into the field one year it won't have anything to feed on for a number of years and dies out (usually rotates on a seven year cycle). By keeping it a perennial crop you will also lose the chance to plant nitrogen-fixing crops that is normal in a crop rotation schedule. Both of these will cause the use of chemicals and fertilizers to be increased.

    11. Re: When I don't want to change my phone by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      GMO's allow for the use of more pesticides, a necessity in monoculture farming but not a boon for the environment.

      Actually, GMO crops such as BT corn use less pesticides. "Roundup-Ready" crops allow the use of milder herbicides, since they can be sprayed when weeds are growing, rather than harsher chemicals that can kill seeds. RR crops also encourage "no-till" farming that can greatly reduce erosion and water pollution.

      Yeah, sadly, the thought of taste and nutritional value of food is WAAAAAY down the list of important attributes of the industrial food system.

      I feel sorry for kids today, not knowing what a REAL tomato is actually supposed to taste like....that it even is supposed to HAVE a taste.

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    12. Re:When I don't want to change my phone by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's a nice idea, but where can you buy a smartphone that gets security updates for 3-6+ years? Most Android phones get them for a year if you're very lucky, iPhones seem to get 3 years of support (counting from initial release date for that model - less if you buy them after that). Given the kinds of vulnerabilities that we're seeing on Android, I'd be as nervous about connecting one to WiFi without the latest security updates as I would of connecting a Windows PC directly to the Internet in the late '90s.

      I'd love to see manufacturers made liable for providing new phones for customers if they don't provide fixes for fix security holes for 4-6 years.

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    13. Re:When I don't want to change my phone by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      I don't change my phone.

      This. When I read the summary and it mentioned that people don't like upgrading their phones so often, my first thought was "I've been using the same phone for years, what does the introduction of new phones have to do with when people get new phones?".

      My second thought was "are people really that stupid???"

      And my third was "why did I have that thought? Of course people are that stupid...."

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    14. Re: When I don't want to change my phone by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ahhh the no true tomato fallacy. Implying that the taste has something magical to do specifically with pesticides and GMO rather than the fact that there are many different types of tomatoes in the world which taste different and a subset of which are chosen in specific areas due to their ability to grow well in a given location and the environment under which it grew.

      Yes there is one REAL tomato which is the only one that tastes good.

      Incidentally the last person who told me that about apples never found out that I wasn't even able to finish eating the sour REAL apple that I was supposed to eat and it ended up in the bin while his back was turned. I have equally high hopes for your idea of what a tomato should taste like.

    15. Re: When I don't want to change my phone by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      RR Soy is what everyone wants now.

      RR-soy went off patent in 2011. You can grow all you want, save the seed, etc. RR-canola is still patented until 2022.

  2. I'm a consumer whore! And how!! by Desler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    peace, showed that more than half of those who responded would prefer to change their phones less frequently

    Then simply don't replace your phone as often? Just because a new phone is released doesn't mean you have to rush out and buy it...

    1. Re: I'm a consumer whore! And how!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you care about sw availability after 3 years:
      * Buy from a manufacturer already known for supporting their stuff that long. Skip the slackers, no matter how cool their current short-lived model is.
      * Cyanogen support many old phones, so consider manufacturers who makes it easy to do that. Then, upgrade to cyanogen sw when the manufacturer end their support.

    2. Re:I'm a consumer whore! And how!! by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      So I wonder how much of a sales boost a phone manufacturer would get for a model advertised as having an easy to replace battery and an easily repair screen? Lets say that meant the phone was a bit thicker and had a bit wider bezel. I would buy it, but what about the masses?

    3. Re:I'm a consumer whore! And how!! by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, it depends.

      Many new-model phones are based on the latest reasonable tech. That $400 OnePlus Three uses a state-of-the-art Qualcomm processor with six cores operating in heterogeneous mode--slow and fast cores run at the same time, allowing for power scaling without scaling the whole system down. You can get eight-core or eight-and-eight core phones, if you want to pay $1,000 for them, too.

      Packing more cores into the phone doesn't necessarily improve performance. Down the line, your 4-core phone might not be outperformed by an 8-core phone of the same speed; yet the new phones have 4-core processors running at 1.5 the clock rate, with more-efficient processors, consuming less battery and executing at 3x the computational speed. New applications and the sheer load of the stuff you're already running increase, and your phone doesn't work so well anymore.

      So a phone that's "Made to last" might require technology that costs 4x as much, eats battery at 6x the rate, and halves the replacement rate. Overall, that phone will cost you twice as much (costs x 4, lifetime x 2). A phone that's made on the state-of-the-art might last 2-3 years, at a stretch.

      Then someone releases a new graphics standard, and your phone is incapable of using certain things. Not really important on a phone; it's not like you need the latest OpenGL/Vulcan to run Android.

      People think the manufacturers are purposely making phones to wear out after 1-2 years. They don't want to pony up $1,400 for a phone that'll still run well in 6 years, all the while running nearly hot enough to burn a hole in your pocket, with a 4-hour battery life.

  3. Prefer to change? by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you prefer to change your device less frequently, then don't change it. I have an iPhone 4s and it runs the latest iOS. I think the going rate for one is about $60 unlocked. I only get laughed at by hipsters with the 6+ gigantic iPhones in huge otterbox cases. But then I let the air out of their fixie bike tires and they aren't laughing any more.

    1. Re:Prefer to change? by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you prefer to change your device less frequently, then don't change it. I have an iPhone 4s and it runs the latest iOS. I think the going rate for one is about $60 unlocked. I only get laughed at by hipsters with the 6+ gigantic iPhones in huge otterbox cases. But then I let the air out of their fixie bike tires and they aren't laughing any more.

      That's rich .. I'm still using an original 10 year old RAZR flip phone. From my point of view *you* are the hipster, what with all your fancy Apps .. which (dare I say) are for cows.

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    2. Re:Prefer to change? by nine-times · · Score: 2

      Oh, you hipsters with your fancy telephones and telegraphs. I write letters! I carve them into stone tablets and ship them using the USPS. None of that fancy UPS for me.

  4. Huh? by MitchDev · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The survey conducted in six countries, commissioned by the environmental group Greenpeace, showed that more than half of those who responded would prefer to change their phones less frequently. "

    I'm sorry, is there some law that says just because a new phone comes out you HAVE to throw the old one away and change to it?

    Fucking sheep...

    1. Re:Huh? by ljw1004 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "The survey conducted in six countries, commissioned by the environmental group Greenpeace, showed that more than half of those who responded would prefer to change their phones less frequently. "

      I'm sorry, is there some law that says just because a new phone comes out you HAVE to throw the old one away and change to it?

      Fucking sheep...

      I think the law is "security updates don't come to old Android devices"...

    2. Re:Huh? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm sorry, is there some law that says just because a new phone comes out you HAVE to throw the old one away and change to it?

      Fucking sheep...

      No, but there is a law against fucking sheep.

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    3. Re:Huh? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, is there some law that says just because a new phone comes out you HAVE to throw the old one away and change to it?

      Not exactly. But because the devices are difficult and thus unnecessarily expensive to repair, they often get thrown away when they could reasonably be repaired if they weren't designed specifically to discourage that.

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    4. Re:Huh? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Since manufacturers tend to abandon most of their products the moment they ship, failing to provide software security updates, there can be good reasons to upgrade cheap phones often. The more expensive ones that most people do keep for 2+ years tend to get updates.

      It's becoming less of a problem as companies like OnePlus release cheap but fairly well supported and powerful phones, but if you walk into the average phone shop most of the crap they have on the shelves has been abandoned already.

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  5. Re:Never trust Greenpeace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Greenpeace is WORSE than anything you can imagine.

    That's not true. I just imagined Greenwar, which is almost exactly like Greenpeace but much more violent. That's worse.

  6. Keeping up with the Joneses by houghi · · Score: 2

    Yeah, it is hard to do, no matter who you are. So don't. The reason this happens is marketing and people buying into it.

    Happens with a lot of things, if not everything; shoes, cars, houses, jobs (Oh noes, you are not going to college, but that means you must work with your hands and that is terrible and those are thieves, because look what they charge per hour)

    I say there are not enough phones coming out or at least not enough competition. Samsung, Apple, Windows, Huwaii and that si about is realistically. I would like to have at least 20 more available with a lot more choice AND have 20 more telecom operators available to put something together what I need. I want a nice screen, but I do not want a camera.

    I also see many people who work with 5 year old phones and they work. But that is in Belgium where is is possible to buy unbundled and locking phones is forbidden by the Communist state. That means I can still use any provider with any phone, regardless how old it is, as long as it can do GSM network. Nokia 3110? Just put in a card ad a working battery and you can call, sms and play snake. On the plus side, no Facebook App.

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  7. Stupid consumers... by ewhenn · · Score: 2

    What the fuck does new device availability have to do with "having to buy a new phone"? My phone is over two years old and I plan on getting 4+ years out of it. It does what I need it to do. It's a tool, you replace it when it needs replacement/updating based on functionality not just because there is a newer one. Everyone wonders why people are broke, have no retirement savings, etc. This is why, abysmal money management skills.

  8. Re:I COUNT on people paying the bleeding-edge tax by Salgak1 · · Score: 2

    Considering that it's the carrier that determines which version of Android they support, I live with the risk, am careful of the few apps I run, and keep antimalware on the phone.

  9. Re:Must Have New Phone features. Greenpeace=done by pla · · Score: 2

    goes to buy a new smartphone. On credit. Like a millenial

    Hah, busted!

    Everyone knows Millennials can't get credit!

    / Well, aside from hundreds of thousands of dollars in federally-backed student loans...

  10. too often? or too many? by green1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They could release an updated model every day for all I care, I'll replace my phone when I need a new phone, not because they released something new.

    Where I think the real problem comes in is that many manufacturers have a dozen different models of phone, all of which are almost the same thing with little to differentiate them, and names and descriptions that make it hard to tell which one is supposed to be better than which.

    When it does come time for a new phone it's very difficult to figure out which of a couple dozen phones from a dozen manufacturers is supposed to be better than which other one.

    Sure I know that a Galaxy S7 is supposed to be better than the S6 which is better than the S5, but where does the S5 neo fit in? it's newer than the S5 so it should be between the S5 and the S6 right? except it turns out they used a cheaper processor than the S5 so it's actually bellow the S5. And where do the J1 and J3 fit in? and how about the A5? and what about the "grand prime"? These are all listed by Samsung as current devices, about the only ones that are easy to understand are the Note and Edge devices because they're relatively clear about what they have that differentiate them from the others.

    Their website gives all sorts of superlatives for each device, but you have to dig to find specs, and then trying to compare the specs is often difficult as they use different terminology or focus on different aspects.

    Manufacturers need to do a better job of communicating what makes their phone different from the dozens of others, and they should probably stick to a much smaller lineup unless they can find some real differentiators to separate their offerings.

  11. The phone made me buy a new one by donut1005 · · Score: 2

    I had a Droid and a Droid 3. It felt like after a year of use it would start running slower and the battery wouldn't hold a fraction of a charge that it used to. After 18 months they were almost unusable (coincidentally that was about the time Verizon would offer me an upgrade). Now I have a OnePlus phone that I purchased two years ago. As far as I can tell it runs as well as day one. I'm not sure if the Motorola phones were crap or if it is a matter of forced obsolescence, but I have almost no desire to upgrade my phone.

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  12. 1st world problems by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can only say, fuck you.

    If bringing in the car analogy, it's like people bemoaning the fact that automobile companies often refresh their cars ... every fucking year. Well, the truth is they really do, and no one forces you to update your car every 12 months.

    So, moar stupid polls, more 1st world problems.

  13. Did they ask how many people wanted old tech? by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I get a brand new phone every 2 years for free. I paid into the system once about 6 years ago, and now the sales price (or trade in value) of my 2 year old phone is equal to or higher than the brand-spanking-newest phone on the market. Now when I say "free" what I mean is that I don't pay any more to have a new phone than I would pay for identical service if I were to keep my phone forever. My plan rate is basically fixed no matter what device I use.

    So instead of having a CDMA locked phone with dial-up modem speeds and 8GB of memory and a mobile OS which is no longer supported (which also means being locked out of revisions to the applications I run), I have this year's latest and greatest, with a pen to take notes on the screen, enough space to hold everything I need, two options for biometric authentication (if I should choose to use them), a camera which is as good or better than my last point-and-shoot, significantly more secure storage, and internet that is faster than all but one of the land-line providers to my house.

    I would love to have a phone that never needed upgrading, sure. But I'll bet Greenpeace didn't ask if you wanted a phone that was insecure, limited in usability, and had poor performance on current generation software.

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    1. Re:Did they ask how many people wanted old tech? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      If the major manufacturers only released new flagship phones every two years, they would support them for longer, and you could keep using them for longer. If the current lifespan is two years with yearly new models, then it should go to three or four years if they release new models half as fast.

      It sounds like US carriers could do something about it too. In the UK and Japan it's much, much cheaper to pay for a SIM only contract and use a phone you already own than to get a phone on contract. A contract phone equivalent to mine (unlocked brand new price £230) would cost about 3x as much as my SIM only, unlimited 4G data + more texts and minutes that I use in a decade contract.

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  14. From somebody who grows tomatoes by phorm · · Score: 2

    Well, it should taste like a *ripe* tomato.

    GMO doesn't change the flavour of the tomato per-se, what it does it make the tomatoes appear a nice ripe red colour/texture when really they're not. That gives you a watery tomato with little flavour.

    You want to know what a tomato should be like? Walk into a greenhouse or a garden full or real, fresh tomatoes. You can *smell* them before they even get near your palate. Most local store tomatoes here are watery, with little flavour and next to no scent. I do have to take care that my garden tomatoes don't spoil, as once actually ripe they can soften or split quickly, but the flavour is far and beyond the store stuff. Also, there's a lot of different *varieties* of tomatoes. Some are stronger tasting than others, have different textures, and come in a vast array of sizes and colours. They all taste pretty damn good though.

    Apples on the other hand... well I don't grow those but I've tasted "wild" ones, and with those as well as store varieties some I like but others I find are sour/bitter. Maybe you got a "crab apple", which are a particularly sour variety and can also do a number on your stomach if you eat too many. I'm not fond of the crab apples myself but I have tasted some pretty good pies with them, and I understand they're pretty nice for making cider as well.