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Second Confirmed Death In Japan Involving Pokemon Go (japantimes.co.jp)
An anonymous reader writes: The Japan Times reports another death. This time a 20 year old woman has died after being hit by a car while riding her bicycle. The man driving the car claimed he was distracted changing the battery because it was nearly flat from playing Pokemon Go. Police have already charged him with negligence resulting in injury. The penalty for causing death is a maximum 7 years jail. The Japanese National Police agency said there have been 79 bicycle and car accidents linked to the game. Another death was reported yesterday
This is far too common in the US, and many people are killed by cars. This has less to do with pokemon and more to do with understanding the responsibility of piloting a large moving object with people around.
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So, Pokémon Go has now killed more people than Tesla Autopilot has.
The phones have an accelerometer, right? Disable it when going over a certain speed?
Let's not pretend that pokemon go is the dumb twit that wasn't paying attention to reality. Pokemon go doesn't kill people, people kill people.
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When you book a driving test you should be required to supply a cell phone number.
Then when you are doing the driving part of the test the tester can have a hidden control to send you a text/call in the middle of the test to see your reaction.
What they're not telling you is that, year-to-date, there have actually been 45% fewer Japanese deaths due to Pokemon than last year.
Pokemon-related injuries, or, "pokuinju", have actually been declining for decades now in Japan. This is just propaganda promulgated by the Nanobotic Party and their cronies in the Infodrome distorting the data to demonize the Technomatic Party, to improve their chances in next cycle's electo-moto-go-go-votetime. Don't fall for it! The power level of the robo-collective is over 5000!
No, it hasn't.
Morons driving two-ton machines in areas where there are other people who pay more attention to literally anything else other than the proper piloting of their vehicle: They've killed two people (actually lots more). If this idiot wasn't playing Pokemon Go it would have been something else. A text, a phone call, reading a magazine, shaving, putting on makeup, eating a bowl of hot soup, etc.
Darwinism. There's an app for that.
But traveling to different places is a requirement for playing pokego. And people use cars to travel efficiently to different places. So, you're a twit if you assume that out of the 40 million players of Go, 0 will use a car while playing the game (I've already seen a couple in car drivers play Go on youtube).
At this point, Niantic deserves to be sued, unless they completely shutdown the game when operating at car speeds (greater than 10 miles/hr)
Another misleading headline
PokemonGo had nothing to do with this death. It was a DISTRACTED DRIVER!
The battery he was changing was not at fault, nor was the fact that he had been playing PokemonGo and drained his battery.
The only one at fault is the DRIVER! He made the choice to do something other than just drive while driving. Do NOT blame the game, or the phone manufacturer, or the phone battery....
So FUCKING what!
THe DRIVER made the choice to NOT pay attention to driving. The Driver is the only one at fault.
When you release something into the world, you should really understand people. For example, I wouldn't leave a bottle of pills on the nightstand of someone who has committed suicide, or give an alcoholic a bottle of wine as a gift. Sometimes you don't know, but these are things that are easily predictable.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
When you release something into the world, you should really understand people. For example, I wouldn't leave a bottle of pills on the nightstand of someone who has committed suicide, or give an alcoholic a bottle of wine as a gift. Sometimes you don't know, but these are things that are easily predictable.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
There are over 7 billion people in the world. Every day, over 150,000 people die.
Two die playing Pokemon? That's sounds about right.
You need a good comparison to make these kinds of claims. When the number of death per hour played exceeds that for other games, then call me.
Otherwise, go take a class on statistics.
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Does *this* explain why alien races all die out before they contact us?
Sorry, who has *attempted* to commit suicide. Obvious logic fail there.
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This, like those Tesla fires, is clearly the result of batteries.
Seriously. The guy was being a dick in charge of a huge pile of metal. He killed someone. He has to live with it. His victim can't.
People need a damn sight more respect when they're driving. It's about the most dangerous thing you'll do day-to-day.
Unless you're a lion tamer or something...
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This has nothing to do with Pokemon Go -- the dude wasn't even playing at the time. This is about someone in the car focusing on something other than driving. We don't have big screaming headlines like "14,328th confirmed death involving food" after someone takes their eyes off the road while fishing for the last fry in the bottom of the bag. ObMarkTwain:
“Well, ther’ ain’t no sense in it. A body might stump his toe, and take pison, and fall down the well, and break his neck, and bust his brains out, and somebody come along and ask what killed him, and some numskull up and say, ’Why, he stumped his TOE.’ Would ther’ be any sense in that? NO."
Right, this idiot wasn't even playing the game, he was just messing around with his phone while driving, which we already know gets people killed, but adding Pokemon to the story gets clicks.
No, that is a stupid argument. People don't follow rules, that's why you have traffic lights, seat belts and airbags. How many PokeGo users are going to walk hundreds of miles or travel in a train to catch pokemons? Few. Plenty of them will use cars instead.
How many more have to die/get injured, before you change your "so fucking what" attitude?
Put on your emotional Progressive hats and lets ban this Pokemon game. It's for the children.
Let's not pretend that pokemon go is the dumb twit that wasn't paying attention to reality. Pokemon go doesn't kill people, people kill people.
I'm pretty sure it was the car that killed her.
But, of course, I'm sure he would still have killed her had he just walked into her bicycle, not been driving a car.
In middle-to-low income countries, traffic accidents are the 10th leading cause of death.
In which category are you counting a Tesla auto-pilot crash while the driver is playing Pokemon Go?
Stupid people exist. If your actions lead to them doing more stupid actions, are you also at fault?
WTF you have to be a twit to expect that out of 40 million people 0 will do something stupid while x for almost all values of x. There are laws codifying the natural law requiring one to drive safely. The onus is on the driver to navigate the big bad world out there in ways consistent with their natural responsibilities. It is draconian to require that creators take into account all possible misuses of their creations and means nothing more than that we can't have nice things.
This is line with the increasing ability for modern man to justify any and every curtailment of human agency in the name of some social good; it's come to the point where modern people hold that the price of living in a society is the abdication of all individual agency. We are pining for Big Brother.
They do: There are almost no Pokemons available while driving. You can collect far more pokemons when walking(Which sucks, because I take the train to work every day, but I almost newer see a single pokeon in my 30 minutes comute).
Also: He was changing batteries in his phone. Which seems even more dangerous then playing pokemon
well, gmaps knows where the higways are anyways. kinda strange they spawn in the center if tollroads.
the spawning might just be a lie too.
I'm sure that if someone committed suicide then it's pretty safe to leave the pills, a knife, a gun, alcohol, a toaster, and anything else dangerous on the nightstand. If they survived an attempt to commit suicide then you might want to be a bit more careful.
Okay, sure, don't give drugs to the addict. Makes sense on a small scale, but falls over on a large scale. It's just not feasible for the manufacturer of anything that gets a wide release to personally vet that everything that they send out is only going to be used in a safe and responsible manner.
As simple as that.
No, then it becomes science to find out if the survival was a statistical anomaly or reproducible result!
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The problem is the people who died weren't the people playing Pokemon Go.
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... Yep, let me know how that works out for you.
Changing his attitude will make no difference whatsoever.
You are obviously being dense on purpose.
Cell phones in Japan still have replaceable batteries?!
Thousands of people are hurt or killed because car drivers are talking or texting their wives while operating their vehicle.
We should outlaw wives altogether to fix that problem.
He did this changing his phone battery, meaning the game wasn't even on. Its not the game.
Give it up, this logic does not work with people that want to blame inanimate objects instead of the real problem (e.g. PEOPLE).
I'm pretty sure it was the car that killed her.
Actually, it was probably the hood of the car and its bumper that did the deed. No need to blame the rest of the car or the driver. /sarcasm for asshole pedants.
But seriously, the driver AND the game devs are both responsible for the death.
* Game devs control game
* Game controls driver
* Driver (mis)controls car
* Bicyclist dies
I commented on my obvious logic fail but it didn't go through.
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Ergo no one would have died if he owned an iPhone.
When the number of death per hour played exceeds that for other games, then call me.
When the number of deaths caused by Pokemon exceeds the number of people playing Pokemon, call me; things might just be getting interesting at that point...
You are being intentionally stupid. No one can be as stupid as you and still be allowed to use a computer.
The game and the phone are not to blame, ONLY the driver is to blame.
How ignorant of you.
He would have been doing what most people (be they using iPhones or Androids) usually do when their battery runs low, digging out the charger cable and plugging the phone in. Same problem as changing the battery.
Beat me to it.....
And retarded moron commenter didn't read the story and see the user wasn't even playing the game at the time. And even if he had, that's not the game's fault. All blame is solely on the driver of the car choosing to do something other than just driving.
In the Venn diagram, that would be in the little slice where the circles overlap.
Just curious but how many people have been killed because a driver was masturbating? It's equally relevant but more amusing to hear about.
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So? The driver in this story wasn't either... learn to read
Newsworthy? Hardly.
"But it's with Pokemon Go!"
HOLD THE PRESSES!
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How ignorant of you.
He would have been doing what most people (be they using iPhones or Androids) usually do when their battery runs low, digging out the charger cable and plugging the phone in. Same problem as changing the battery.
Except plugging in the charging cable is simple to do with one hand without looking. Just wedge the phone somewhere with the charging port sticking up, find the end of the cable, and plug it in. Changing a battery is far more complicated.
Actually that's just the number of confirmed Japanese deaths. I think there have been at least two in the US.
Gotta splatter them all!
It's the use of smartphones while driving, not the app itself.
Don't drive while using a cell. Don't drive while while fiddling with stuff like food, drinks, etc that distract you.
It's in your driver's license test. Those are not legal things to do.
How hard is that?
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You should, but "some idiot might try to change batteries while driving" is not a kind of thing you can reasonably protect against.
More generally, at some point safety features will actually make things less safe. For example, forklifts have to sound alarm while backing. Good idea if there were always just one, but if you have many of them working in the same warehouse the resulting cacophony masks other sounds - such as the tire noise of the forklift that's about to drive over you.
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Humans have proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that they can't be trusted with these multi-ton vehicles. No matter how much you say about not drinking, texting, playing games etc while driving they keep doing it and it is OTHER people that pay for it. 7 years for at the very best criminal negligence leading to a death is just not ok and making harsher punishments won't help since the people that do this where not thinking in the first place.
ALL cars on the road should have mandatory collision avoidance systems that if they detect the vehicle is about to hit a pedestrian, bicyclist or other vehicle it will try to stop the car. Any residential and city area should have speed limits enforced by the vehicle. I don't care how much you think it is okay to drive through a residential area with a speed limit of 25 at 45 the car should not allow it.
Everything we can take away from the humans should be done and if your car does not meet the standards you have x years to get one that does before it is not allowed on the road. If your want your antique car to be taken somewhere then put it in a trailer and keep it off public roads.
It is not feasible to armor all the pedestrians and cyclists to survive getting hit by a car and it is clear that nothing you do will change the humans driving the car so humans just can't be allowed to drive.
I have had to jump out of the way a couple times when someone blew right through an intersection and crosswalk against a red light and never even looked up. Our current systems are good enough that car should have stopped itself instead of running a red light.
Just so tired of this car worship that is it acceptable to deal with all the deaths they cause since they are mostly among people that don't do as much driving. You don't have the right to kill someone just because you are bored while driving and want to do something else. Any form of distraction is negligence.
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How could it go wrong if they were to write the three lines required to detect the user's speed and stop the game if the user is moving greater than walking speed? People have already said that there are very rare Pokemons while riding in a bus/train etc.
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But still fewer than light rail in Minnesota.
Time to offend someone
The roads will not be safe until we remove easily-distracted and fallible humans from the loop. Automated driving systems have a non-zero rate of failure, but even the early versions are safer than human drivers, and safety will improve as the years go by. Yeah, in about 20 years human-guided vehicles won't be allowed near school dropoff zones, and the restrictions will spread from there until baseline humans will be restricted to closed tracks. That said, there's no reason augmented humans with neural interfaces and upgraded attentiveness and decision making can't participate in vehicle guidance, subject to automated safety limits.
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What a strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
RTFA: He was changing the battery *because* he was in the middle of playing the game while driving.
Also some Slashdotters automatically assumed the cyclist was in the wrong. She wasn't.
It is obvious it is the cars fault. The person who created the car is responsible for enabling such a dangerous device. First we should ban cars from the roads where people are nearby. Then we should ban bikes because it provides no safety mechanisms and poses a danger to the rider. With no bikes or cars our roads will be safe again, except for the people that occasionally trip on a curb. But it is the fault of whoever created those blasted feet. Therefore we will also ban feet.
Pretty much by how this case happened: User plays the game for 2 hours. Shuts it off and gets in his car.
Then the phone beeps the battery low while he's driving so he starts screwing around with cables and things are a problem.
Pokemon Go does (essentially) shut down if you're moving too fast. For just this reason. But they can't help you if you start screwing with cables at an unsafe time. This story could have just as easily been "guy hits someone while plugging in his charger after a 4 hour phone call" or any other reason his battery may have been low. But that isn't as click-baity.
I'm constantly amazed at the abject hatred aimed towards cyclists. If any of you honestly think cyclists are more irresponsible than motorists, you're deluding yourselves. The odds are you're just as much the rule-breaker as cyclists in general, yet you're fixated on the worst examples in order to justify your position.
> when you figure out the difference between acceleration and velocity.
If you have an accelerometer and a very accurate clock, you can integrate to get the distance travelled and even the actual speed. That's how intertial navigation works in vehicles as fast as jet planes and as slow as submarines. It used to be mechanical spinning gyros with analog computers until the late 70s, then million dollar laser-ring gyros and nowadays tiny and affordable micro-mechanical sensors replace them in things as small as smartphones. There is no need for NAVSTAR or Glonass, except for occasional accurizing, since inertial navigation tends to drift away after several hours of journey.