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Second Confirmed Death In Japan Involving Pokemon Go (japantimes.co.jp)
An anonymous reader writes: The Japan Times reports another death. This time a 20 year old woman has died after being hit by a car while riding her bicycle. The man driving the car claimed he was distracted changing the battery because it was nearly flat from playing Pokemon Go. Police have already charged him with negligence resulting in injury. The penalty for causing death is a maximum 7 years jail. The Japanese National Police agency said there have been 79 bicycle and car accidents linked to the game. Another death was reported yesterday
This is far too common in the US, and many people are killed by cars. This has less to do with pokemon and more to do with understanding the responsibility of piloting a large moving object with people around.
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So, Pokémon Go has now killed more people than Tesla Autopilot has.
The phones have an accelerometer, right? Disable it when going over a certain speed?
Let's not pretend that pokemon go is the dumb twit that wasn't paying attention to reality. Pokemon go doesn't kill people, people kill people.
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Another misleading headline
PokemonGo had nothing to do with this death. It was a DISTRACTED DRIVER!
The battery he was changing was not at fault, nor was the fact that he had been playing PokemonGo and drained his battery.
The only one at fault is the DRIVER! He made the choice to do something other than just drive while driving. Do NOT blame the game, or the phone manufacturer, or the phone battery....
When you release something into the world, you should really understand people. For example, I wouldn't leave a bottle of pills on the nightstand of someone who has committed suicide, or give an alcoholic a bottle of wine as a gift. Sometimes you don't know, but these are things that are easily predictable.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
When you release something into the world, you should really understand people. For example, I wouldn't leave a bottle of pills on the nightstand of someone who has committed suicide, or give an alcoholic a bottle of wine as a gift. Sometimes you don't know, but these are things that are easily predictable.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
There are over 7 billion people in the world. Every day, over 150,000 people die.
Two die playing Pokemon? That's sounds about right.
You need a good comparison to make these kinds of claims. When the number of death per hour played exceeds that for other games, then call me.
Otherwise, go take a class on statistics.
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Does *this* explain why alien races all die out before they contact us?
Sorry, who has *attempted* to commit suicide. Obvious logic fail there.
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This has nothing to do with Pokemon Go -- the dude wasn't even playing at the time. This is about someone in the car focusing on something other than driving. We don't have big screaming headlines like "14,328th confirmed death involving food" after someone takes their eyes off the road while fishing for the last fry in the bottom of the bag. ObMarkTwain:
“Well, ther’ ain’t no sense in it. A body might stump his toe, and take pison, and fall down the well, and break his neck, and bust his brains out, and somebody come along and ask what killed him, and some numskull up and say, ’Why, he stumped his TOE.’ Would ther’ be any sense in that? NO."
Right, this idiot wasn't even playing the game, he was just messing around with his phone while driving, which we already know gets people killed, but adding Pokemon to the story gets clicks.
WTF you have to be a twit to expect that out of 40 million people 0 will do something stupid while x for almost all values of x. There are laws codifying the natural law requiring one to drive safely. The onus is on the driver to navigate the big bad world out there in ways consistent with their natural responsibilities. It is draconian to require that creators take into account all possible misuses of their creations and means nothing more than that we can't have nice things.
This is line with the increasing ability for modern man to justify any and every curtailment of human agency in the name of some social good; it's come to the point where modern people hold that the price of living in a society is the abdication of all individual agency. We are pining for Big Brother.
They do: There are almost no Pokemons available while driving. You can collect far more pokemons when walking(Which sucks, because I take the train to work every day, but I almost newer see a single pokeon in my 30 minutes comute).
Also: He was changing batteries in his phone. Which seems even more dangerous then playing pokemon
I'm sure that if someone committed suicide then it's pretty safe to leave the pills, a knife, a gun, alcohol, a toaster, and anything else dangerous on the nightstand. If they survived an attempt to commit suicide then you might want to be a bit more careful.
It would only be Darwinism if the person playing PoGo died, such as if they walked or drove off of a cliff while playing.
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No, then it becomes science to find out if the survival was a statistical anomaly or reproducible result!
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The problem is the people who died weren't the people playing Pokemon Go.
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Changing his attitude will make no difference whatsoever.
You are obviously being dense on purpose.
Thousands of people are hurt or killed because car drivers are talking or texting their wives while operating their vehicle.
We should outlaw wives altogether to fix that problem.
Give it up, this logic does not work with people that want to blame inanimate objects instead of the real problem (e.g. PEOPLE).
I commented on my obvious logic fail but it didn't go through.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Like I tell my daughter, "Pedestrians may legally have the right of way, but a car is a LOT bigger, heavier, and harder than you. And being "right" means little if you're dead."
When the number of death per hour played exceeds that for other games, then call me.
When the number of deaths caused by Pokemon exceeds the number of people playing Pokemon, call me; things might just be getting interesting at that point...
You are being intentionally stupid. No one can be as stupid as you and still be allowed to use a computer.
The game and the phone are not to blame, ONLY the driver is to blame.
How ignorant of you.
He would have been doing what most people (be they using iPhones or Androids) usually do when their battery runs low, digging out the charger cable and plugging the phone in. Same problem as changing the battery.
Beat me to it.....
And retarded moron commenter didn't read the story and see the user wasn't even playing the game at the time. And even if he had, that's not the game's fault. All blame is solely on the driver of the car choosing to do something other than just driving.
In the Venn diagram, that would be in the little slice where the circles overlap.
Just curious but how many people have been killed because a driver was masturbating? It's equally relevant but more amusing to hear about.
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So? The driver in this story wasn't either... learn to read
Newsworthy? Hardly.
"But it's with Pokemon Go!"
HOLD THE PRESSES!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Actually that's just the number of confirmed Japanese deaths. I think there have been at least two in the US.
Gotta splatter them all!
It's the use of smartphones while driving, not the app itself.
Don't drive while using a cell. Don't drive while while fiddling with stuff like food, drinks, etc that distract you.
It's in your driver's license test. Those are not legal things to do.
How hard is that?
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Actually, I use it on the bus and a lot of people have bikes. I can see having it suspend operations after 10 kph, but sometimes it "jumps" when I go into a light rail station tunnel and "pop up" a few miles away at 80 kph.
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In this case, the AC isn't even correct. Bicycles have the same right of way rules as any other vehicle. Therefore, if it were a car stopped in the middle of the road reading a map, would they expect the other driver to not go around them?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
You should, but "some idiot might try to change batteries while driving" is not a kind of thing you can reasonably protect against.
More generally, at some point safety features will actually make things less safe. For example, forklifts have to sound alarm while backing. Good idea if there were always just one, but if you have many of them working in the same warehouse the resulting cacophony masks other sounds - such as the tire noise of the forklift that's about to drive over you.
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Humans have proved beyond any shadow of a doubt that they can't be trusted with these multi-ton vehicles. No matter how much you say about not drinking, texting, playing games etc while driving they keep doing it and it is OTHER people that pay for it. 7 years for at the very best criminal negligence leading to a death is just not ok and making harsher punishments won't help since the people that do this where not thinking in the first place.
ALL cars on the road should have mandatory collision avoidance systems that if they detect the vehicle is about to hit a pedestrian, bicyclist or other vehicle it will try to stop the car. Any residential and city area should have speed limits enforced by the vehicle. I don't care how much you think it is okay to drive through a residential area with a speed limit of 25 at 45 the car should not allow it.
Everything we can take away from the humans should be done and if your car does not meet the standards you have x years to get one that does before it is not allowed on the road. If your want your antique car to be taken somewhere then put it in a trailer and keep it off public roads.
It is not feasible to armor all the pedestrians and cyclists to survive getting hit by a car and it is clear that nothing you do will change the humans driving the car so humans just can't be allowed to drive.
I have had to jump out of the way a couple times when someone blew right through an intersection and crosswalk against a red light and never even looked up. Our current systems are good enough that car should have stopped itself instead of running a red light.
Just so tired of this car worship that is it acceptable to deal with all the deaths they cause since they are mostly among people that don't do as much driving. You don't have the right to kill someone just because you are bored while driving and want to do something else. Any form of distraction is negligence.
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How could it go wrong if they were to write the three lines required to detect the user's speed and stop the game if the user is moving greater than walking speed? People have already said that there are very rare Pokemons while riding in a bus/train etc.
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But still fewer than light rail in Minnesota.
Time to offend someone
The roads will not be safe until we remove easily-distracted and fallible humans from the loop. Automated driving systems have a non-zero rate of failure, but even the early versions are safer than human drivers, and safety will improve as the years go by. Yeah, in about 20 years human-guided vehicles won't be allowed near school dropoff zones, and the restrictions will spread from there until baseline humans will be restricted to closed tracks. That said, there's no reason augmented humans with neural interfaces and upgraded attentiveness and decision making can't participate in vehicle guidance, subject to automated safety limits.
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True, bicyclists seem to forget they are expected to follow the same rules/laws of the road as drivers are....
Like I tell my daughter,
And the next generation of drivers just learnt that bigger means better. The spiral continues.
I don't blame you, I would say the same thing in the USA, but we drum this into the heads of our kids and the result is a vehicular superiority complex.
Many countries are trying to boost cycling rates to alleviate traffic and environmental issues. As such while there are laws cyclists must follow they aren't enforced. In the Netherlands you hit a cyclist, you're at fault. You hit a cyclist breaking the law, you're at fault unless you can prove the accident was completely unavoidable which is almost impossible to prove. If you hit a cyclist who's intoxicated you're at fault, even though drunk cycling is a law. Though no one hear has ever heard of someone getting a fine for it.
It's a strange world.
Pretty much by how this case happened: User plays the game for 2 hours. Shuts it off and gets in his car.
Then the phone beeps the battery low while he's driving so he starts screwing around with cables and things are a problem.
Pokemon Go does (essentially) shut down if you're moving too fast. For just this reason. But they can't help you if you start screwing with cables at an unsafe time. This story could have just as easily been "guy hits someone while plugging in his charger after a 4 hour phone call" or any other reason his battery may have been low. But that isn't as click-baity.
I'm constantly amazed at the abject hatred aimed towards cyclists. If any of you honestly think cyclists are more irresponsible than motorists, you're deluding yourselves. The odds are you're just as much the rule-breaker as cyclists in general, yet you're fixated on the worst examples in order to justify your position.
It's simple common sense, and more for when she's riding her bike.
Bikes do NOT belong on the road with cars, they are too slow and small and most of the bike riders think rules and laws don't apply to them.
Oh, big macho loser who lives in his mom's basement and hasn't seen sunlight in 20 years threatening to shoot people, get the NSA on tracking your Anon ass down now... :rolls eyes:
So on the flip side one of the countries with the lowest death rate for cyclists has:
a) automatic guilt for a driver with a serious uphill battle to prove why they weren't negligent and why the accident was unavoidable.
b) many laws don't apply to cyclists
c) cyclists are classified as a road vehicle and are allowed to do everything except drive on the highway
and
d) the kids are taught to walk in front of cars and cycle in front of cars combined with a law that a car is always liable if it hits anyone under 14 regardless of the circumstances.
The end result is an entire country which drives very differently from many of the western nations. They tailgate like idiots on the highway yet drive with the upmost respect and courtesy in any built up areas, mainly because they know they would get properly screwed by the legal system if they didn't, something they learnt very early in their lives.
Common sense is not necessarily the best way of bringing about a change in attitude which unfortunately in many countries is nothing more than a penis measuring contest between drivers. It may not sound like much but the results are:
7th lowest death rate per capita compared with the USA's 61st (this includes vehicle occupants and people injured by vehicles)
8th lowest death rate per motor vehicle compared with the USA's 30th
7th lowest per billion km driven compared with the USA's 17th (note that only 25 countries have this statistic listed)
The funny thing is that we have the highest percentage of deaths of cyclists as a result of motor vehicle accident in the world, while at the same time having the lowest cyclist death rate.
I know which approach is better.
"properly screwed"???
That is fucked up.
It means people doing incredibly stupid things don't get held responsible and someone else gets punished for their actions, yeah, that's a great lesson... :::rolls eyes:::
Disgusting.
that's a great lesson
The great lesson is a couple of broken bones. That works more than any legal case ever will.
Disgusting
Yeah it's utterly despicable that the sum total of our motor vehicle deaths + cyclists + pedestrians per capita rank us 7th best in the world, compared to the USA's 60+
Or that the total deaths per km driven rank us 18 higher than the USA where only 25 countries report these figures.
Or that despite being the most densely populated area in Europe you're the least likely to die as a pedestrian or a cyclists, despite also having the highest number of cyclists in the world.
I agree, the USA is utterly disgusting in the way they treat anything smaller than a car.
So cute that your sad little nation thinks it's OK to blame car drivers for the mistakes of bikers and pedestrians.
Hopefully we invade you next....
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Yeah come and invade us. Just don't drive over your troops or die in an accident on the way over.
Oh and can you bring some real bacon, the stuff we get here isn't that good.
So cute that your sad little nation thinks it's OK to blame car drivers for the mistakes of bikers and pedestrians.
Oh there are no mistakes. If I step out in front of a car and get hit, the driver broke the law. That's also why we live in one of the safest places in the world.
Oh and pssst. Don't tell anyone else. But we're not allowed guns either. Just keep that between us though.
idiot.
Yes, you are an idiot, if you step in front of a car and get hit, it is 100% your fault.