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How G.E. Is Transforming Into An IoT Start-Up (nytimes.com)

Slashdot reader mspohr shares an article about "General Electric 're-inventing' itself as a software start-up." Jeffrey R. Immelt, the CEO of America's largest manufacturer, describes how he realized that data collected from their machines -- like turbines, engines, and medical-imaging equipment -- could be as valuable as the machines themselves. Now G.E. is hiring software engineers and data scientists from Amazon, Apple, Facebook and Google to try to transform the company into a "124-year-old startup" to take advantage of the Internet of Things and offer futuristic new services like predictive maintenance.

The Times calls it "the next battlefield as companies fight to develop the dominant software layer that connects the machines," adding that by 2020 there will be 100 times as much data flowing from G.E.'s machines. Now G.E. Digital is using the open source PaaS, Cloud Foundry, to develop Predix, a cloud-based operating system for industrial applications like monitoring and adjusting equipment in the field, whether it's an oil-field rig or a wind-farm turbine. To help transform the company into a digital powerhouse, they're building a 1,400-employee complex in San Ramon, California "designed to suit the free-range working ways of software developers: open-plan floors, bench seating, whiteboards, couches for impromptu meetings, balconies overlooking the grounds and kitchen areas with snacks." And they've also launched the Industrial Dojo program "to accelerate the ability for developers to contribute code that enables the Industrial Internet".

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  1. First item on the agenda... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's hope the first item on their agenda is how to handle security in their internet connected machinery and what to do in the inevitable event of breaches. Or they could just learn their lessons the painful way.

    1. Re:First item on the agenda... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Informative

      I was going to say the same thing.

      It's all fun and games until you get hacked.

      IoT is a complete security clusterfuck disaster waiting to happen.

      I don't "need" my fridge or toaster to be on the internet where some script kiddie can hack it.

    2. Re:First item on the agenda... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's GE - the first item on their agenda will be to fire all the Americans on the project and replace them with foreigners from low cost centers (LCCs in GE speak).

    3. Re:First item on the agenda... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      I was going to say the same thing.

      It's all fun and games until you get hacked.

      IoT is a complete security clusterfuck disaster waiting to happen.

      I don't "need" my fridge or toaster to be on the internet where some script kiddie can hack it.

      Worry not citizen! The Internet of things is perfectly safe. And when it isn't, we have McAfee for Toasters to protect you from the bad guys.

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    4. Re:First item on the agenda... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This just in, the entire eastern seaboards grid melted due to claimed hacker "nukenfuts" started all networked Forman X machines that were plugged into the wall. Sources say the networked device needed to be plugged in to remain online and alert users of new receipes/post recipes of the current items being grilled.

      This is the new era of "terrorism" and at what cost? And it wont just be nukenfuts, it will be your insurance company watching your piss in case you wreck a car so they aren't libel for a hospital bill or hacked citizen profiles where you are effectively fingerprinted with all the right digital evidence to lock up an innocent person because of reason "X". All this "streamlined" cost saving comes at a cost and I wonder if anyone is ever going to draw a line.

      Our own laziness and hubris might well be the end of us....or maybe just the stupid of us.....

    5. Re:First item on the agenda... by pete6677 · · Score: 1, Funny

      According to GE's liberal-artist MBA CTO it's all going to the cloud: https://slashdot.org/story/15/...

      Security won't be a problem, right?

    6. Re:First item on the agenda... by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

      The Internet of Hacked Things.

    7. Re: First item on the agenda... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      Interesting point about making the devices display only!
      Though I'm not sure I'd want an alarm system where someone can query it for "current active people detected." :-)
      At least the "damage" would be minimal if it couldn't accept remote commands.

      I would have far less qualms about IoT if they adopted something like SSH public+private key.
      I guess the question is "How much security is good enough for IoT" ?

      (Obviously any at this point is a step up from none.)

    8. Re: First item on the agenda... by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I guess the question is "How much security is good enough for IoT" ?

      Unless you're making devices. Then it's either "how much security can we get for a budget of X?" or "how little security can we get away with, given that the budget for it is zero?"

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    9. Re:First item on the agenda... by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      This is G.E. We're talking about.
      They will take the 'painful way' option but without the complication of 'learning'.

      At least they'll be consistent with the rest of their industrial portfolio.

    10. Re:First item on the agenda... by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      fridge or toaster to be on the internet

      Oh look another person who completely doesn't understand IoT.

    11. Re: First item on the agenda... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      LOL. I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at the truth of that.

      I agree that far too often security is an afterthought. "Gee, is it no wonder you got rooted?"

      As much as I hate government interference maybe we need the FCC equivalent for Internet Security?
      i.e. All devices on the internet much support encryption of X bits.

      Although with the government's retarded stance on encryption (e.g. with the false justification that only criminals use encryption) that might be a hard sell.

    12. Re: First item on the agenda... by random+coward · · Score: 1

      NIST 800 is the computer security committee. Let them come out with a standard and allow independent verification of compliance, kinda like a UL listing. Lets see if people want to pay for security.

    13. Re: First item on the agenda... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the info about the NIST 800 !

      Thinking a little more about maybe the security should only apply to commercial products that connect to the internet? That way Joe Blow can add his home test device(s) on the internet without being bogged down by interfaces that no one will use.

      But guess we'lll have to wait and see which business and government is going to go with this.

    14. Re: First item on the agenda... by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      I think the problem is not that its on the internet, but that it accepts commands from the internet, if they just sent data everything would be fine.

      IoT can be made secure, because encryption exists, so long as master key is not stolen, or backup master key, but these problems exist for all security things not just IoT.

      The way I see it, even when things are "read" or "display" only, no appliances should be connected over the internet without 2-way SSL, pairing the appliance with a set of devices (say smart phones or tablets), or some other robust, fail-safe pairing mechanism.

      A smart fridge (assuming that shit made sense) shouldn't be available for read, let alone write, by default on the internet. It shouldn't even be easily discoverable.

    15. Re:First item on the agenda... by Agripa · · Score: 1

      All they have to do is accept the NSA as a client and there will be no reported exploits.

    16. Re: First item on the agenda... by Agripa · · Score: 1

      And make sure the NSA controls the committee like they did with IPSEC. They would never take advantage of such an opportunity.

    17. Re:First item on the agenda... by nobodie · · Score: 1

      I know one of the people working for GE on this project. He's no slouch and has positioned himself well: remember that 124 year thing? But he does know his stuff on hardware security. I'm interested to see what GE can do, it can't be easy to mobilze a behemoth like that.

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  2. Well, it was a good run, just 126 years by ArtemaOne · · Score: 2

    nt

  3. Odd, this "free range" environment... by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

    Where do you go if you need to concentrate? You know, like on actually getting stuff done? I guess that's all passe now.

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    1. Re:Odd, this "free range" environment... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Where do you go if you need to concentrate? You know, like on actually getting stuff done? I guess that's all passe now.

      Facebook.....I can see it now.....

      Peter Gozinta shared "I'm making toast" And everyone applauds and leves little messages of encouragement about how much they like Toast.

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    2. Re:Odd, this "free range" environment... by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

      This part of GE's plan shows that they are trying to copy faddish ideas, thinking it sounds cool. Do programmers actually like this kind of setup? Really? I wonder if it's more of a marketing ploy by office furniture companies, to sell more of their trendy products.

    3. Re:Odd, this "free range" environment... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2
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    4. Re:Odd, this "free range" environment... by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Most of the places I've worked have been open plan offices but two places had offices for everyone. It was great at those two places because it was much quieter so you could concentrate better. If you really needed some time to work on a problem you could close the door and stop interruptions. Paired programming in an open office environment is noisy and doesn't work well for trying to think about a problem.

      What was missing from these offices were places where you could meet up with a couple of people to sit down and talk over a problem. Sometimes the offices were shared and you didn't want to bug your office mate or would be crowded with four or five people in them. Or a change of scenery is nice to talk over a problem.

    5. Re:Odd, this "free range" environment... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Yup, the future is now.

      And after much resistance, I had to open a Facebook account to hand out info to a group. All my fears about it were true. Sucks you in, Oh, look there's an old high school bud. Even old girlfriends, then relatives. Then the existential angst sets in.

      I fear many of them would actually like to read about Freddie's Sansung refrigerator reports that Freddie is low on milk, then the thoughts and prayers of Freddie's friends will go out to him in hopes he doesn't have to go without milk, then someone will blame the politician du jour and the fight begins.

      Then the Windows Foodie Edition IoT OS borks a few million refrigerators with a refrigerator light update, causing massive spoilage, and Slashdot erupts with the whackadoodles claiming a conspiracy by the major food chains to sell more food, the shills claiming that it was actually a good thing, because people's immune systems are weak because we eat all this processed food, and if your refrigerator was screwed, it was your fault anyway you idiot!

      Meanwhile the Linux Refrigerator people will brag about how much better their food is, except for the systemd trolls who are still pissed about the first version of pulseaudio.

      And the Hipsters who use the iFoodie app for their vegan only refrigerators (it has an internal scanner to detect any animal products so the vegan Hipster can go annoy whoever sold them the food.

      Meanwhile a massive ransomware attack locks everyone's fridge until we each pay 10,000 bitcoin to the Julian Assange, Edward Snowdon, and Jane Fonda and Barack O'blama pizza party fund. And Trump will make it happen, I can tell you that much. Meanwhile, an investigation is mounted to verify the rumors that Hillary killed 50 people by locking them in IoT microwaves.

      Wow! that went to a weird place! Did I miss insulting anyone?

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    6. Re:Odd, this "free range" environment... by unixcorn · · Score: 1

      I too have worked in both environments. I prefer to have a private office where I can make it quiet or play some music without the need for headphones. As a current cube dweller, I don't question why management loves the "open" plan. They are either cheap or they saw a movie where a bunch of software geeks were huddling up and making ground breaking progress. That's not the way it happens in real life. Most "collaboration" is just bullshitting. I don't discount that real meetings and collaboration are important but getting the job done happens inside the developer's head and that requires a quiet environment free of interruptions.
      What programmers really need is privacy - an office with walls and a door, enough bathroom space to accommodate everyone - typically, from what I have seen the minimum number of stalls is woefully inadequate at even the newest places I have worked, and a couple of public-ish places where collaboration is made easy. Finally, don't skimp on the furniture. Comfortable chairs or chairs of choice by employees who have a preference will keep them in their seats longer.

    7. Re:Odd, this "free range" environment... by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      I've worked at both as well. I'll take the open any day of the week. People are more accessible, you feel less like interfering if you talk to someone. Frequently you'll overhear a discussion that your input on is important. I feel an individual might get more done in some circumstances of private offices, but the team gets more done in an open one. And that's what's important. Especially if you're a team lead I would never choose an office over an open desk.

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  4. Skeptical or terrified? by shanen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Many years ago I worked for a startup subsidiary of GE and I was not impressed with the management style. I don't think it's just sour grapes due to my being pushed out the door, because the entire subsidiary died a couple of years later. Some kind of Internet thing. Of course it was doomed, eh?

    Then again, after reading Jack Welch's book, I think there are grounds for concern. If GE is still as he made it in his image, then it's a dangerous and sociopathic entity. If it were an actual human being, then it is probable that we would all be dead now. Shades of the vicious ASI (artificial super-intelligence) in Our Final Invention (My quasi-review at https://ello.co/shanen0/post/g... as of last week?) No respect for your humanity after GE gets enough IoT devices into the market, and they still design lots of devices for the Chinese to build. Of course the Chinese involvement creates another layer of concern.

    We need an economic system that rethinks things in terms of freedom. Cf my sig, eh?

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    1. Re: Skeptical or terrified? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      And you really sound like basement dweller with a bit too much time on his hands.

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    2. Re:Skeptical or terrified? by emaname · · Score: 1

      @Shanen: I wholeheartedly agree. GE exists only because of inertia. But I think Immelt's management style has changed "the General" a little bit.

      I've also been exposed to GE and their management philosophy. Welch was/is clueless. His "management style" is crude at best. Especially his idea that a manager can be effective anywhere in the organization. (IOW once you know how to manage, you can manage anything.) When Welch was running his massive PR campaign prior to his retirement from GE, he made a big deal about his basic management principals like he was some kind of management guru. The blowback he got from several business people via the WSJ was immediate and critical. Especially his idea that every year you fire the bottom 10% of performers in every department. Those critics exposed all kinds of problems in Welch's ideas. Suddenly Welch was adding all sorts of "qualifications" and "clarifications" to defend and explain his principals.

      Welch was lucky he came on the scene when he did. GE had just turned itself into a bank with their finance service. That service became the primary revenue generator for the company. So Welch looked good.

      Speaking of which, here's a great example of that "manage anywhere/anything" idea. A guy whose claim to fame as a manager was installing a GPS on every locomotive was transferred to become director of marketing for one of the medical device operations. Seriously. Like there is no difference between an MRI machine and a locomotive. To top it off, this guy was arrogant and crude. He alienated so many customers it was like a dark comedy. While at a big sales show, he shouted after one customer after alienating them that they would be back because "we are GE." Classy. Real classy. This guy never should have been a manager in the first place.

      I am still in contact with previous coworkers so I hear about what is going on inside at least one of the GE divisions on a regular basis.

      Shanen has it right.

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    3. Re:Skeptical or terrified? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      GE isn't what I think of as a Start-Up.
      As GE is one of the largest companies in the world Currently #11 on the Fortune 500. Having been around for 124 years, there is a well defined GE Culture that is nearly hard to break. For a startup you need to be quick and nible. The culture will need to be flexible smart and not hung up with titles, that isn't GE.

      Sure they may be the current leader of IoT however that doesn't make them a startup. I have seen the jobs for the IoT division and mostly they just want a bunch of academics (were having some is a good thing, however too many causes in the box thinking) and not so much focus on real world skills. Hence a lot of the security concerns of IoT. As the focus is on make it work, vs make it sustainable.

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    4. Re: Skeptical or terrified? by shanen · · Score: 1

      Who are you talking to?

      Whenever I see a comment like that from a low ID I speculate that the actual person passed away or otherwise abandoned slashdot and the account has been hacked for residual credibility.

      In solution form, there should be a text analysis tool to assess when the tone of posts has changed enough to indicate a hacked account. Part of a broader security system?

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    5. Re:Skeptical or terrified? by shanen · · Score: 1

      Your reply wasn't clear enough, but you may have been thinking that I was comparing GE to a startup. The startup that I was working for was a quasi-independent entity within GE, but it was using surplus cycles on a large network of Fujitsu mainframes. This was somewhat pre-Internet, and the actual model was CompuServe, which is already enough to discredit the entrepreneurial claim. Rather GE was just trying to claim a piece of the pie, and at that time no one (especially not at GE) understood how the pie was going to explode into the Internet.

      If your comment is primarily about the original article, then I think we are in agreement. They (GE's managers) want the atmosphere of a startup, but without the risk, which is an unsolvable paradox (IMNSHO). The best approximation is to partition the company into small cells and accept that some of them will die. However, once that becomes institutionalized, the companies still seem to lose their entrepreneurial spirit. The chaos element is apparently necessary, but big companies (like GE) are allergic to chaos.

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  5. New business, still not paying taxes by chadenright · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I guess nobody's told the big guys that the majority of small businesses fail, fail hard, and fail quickly, but not quickly enough to be cheap. Anyone want to bet that within 4 years, 50% of their currently-american software folks will be outsourced and within 8 years that number will be closer to 75%?

    1. Re:New business, still not paying taxes by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but GE has the benefit of not having to pay any corporate income tax, so they're a leg up on all those small business losers.

  6. Open-plan floors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Quoting TFS:

    designed to suit the free-range working ways of software developers: open-plan floors, bench seating, whiteboards, couches for impromptu meetings, balconies overlooking the grounds and kitchen areas with snacks

    These "open-plan floors" are, in many cases, the worst thing imaginable for developer productivity and information security. Then again, it's one of those "modern and trendy best practices" that's still widely and blindly adopted by tech companies these days, so it's gotta be good, right? -PCP

    1. Re:Open-plan floors by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Designed to suit the free-range working ways of software developers" my ass.

      It's designed (a) to save on costs (one big room as opposed to many small ones) and (b) to keep you and what's on your screen under the watchful eye of management at any and all times.

      It is in no wise intended to foster worker productivity. And it doesn't.

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    2. Re:Open-plan floors by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      You build a team of introverts, then place them in an extrovert's dream office.
      You are better off giving everyone a private office, and having drafting rooms where they can collaborate with a small group of people.

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    3. Re:Open-plan floors by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It's quite an achievement for something to stay modern and trendy for thirty years.

      Especially when - as many others have pointed out - it's utterly shite.

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  7. GE Invented offshoring by tomhath · · Score: 4, Informative
    Seems kind of poetic justice that GE needs to reinvent itself to write software after Jack Welch kickstarted offshoring software development to India

    Indian executives say early investments by GE in India gave their technology and business service sectors crucial credibility and cash when other companies still viewed the country as a risky backwater. Moreover, exposure to Mr. Welch's culture of cost-cutting and efficiency taught them business skills they are now using to compete globally, often against U.S. firms.

    1. Re:GE Invented offshoring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      yes -- we call him Neutron Jack at GE. After he's done, the buildings are still standing but the people are all gone.

      he came up with "rightsizing" in the mid 90s and pretty much destroyed GE's future, but the short term books look great.
      Now, they realize that they might have made a mistake on that?

    2. Re:GE Invented offshoring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Now, they realize that they might have made a mistake on that?

      Now they double-up on the bet, with a bluff to make you think they're still building things, hiring engineers, and doing useful work.

    3. Re:GE Invented offshoring by swb · · Score: 1

      Wasn't GE big on that management system Six Sigma? I don't know any of the details about it other than I think it involves shit-canning the bottom 10% or something of the workforce just because they're the bottom 10% of the workforce.

      I also remember a business news story from the Welch era where they were doing so much business in financial services some analysts suggested the company's valuation should be judged as a bank and not as an industrial concern. That may have just been financial news clickbait but I think it was in an era where they were selling off long term industrial businesses and focusing a lot on GE Capital.

    4. Re:GE Invented offshoring by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The problem is Six Sigma is good for manufacturing, however GE pushed it to other things where the cost of insuring that level of accuracy was greater than letting the mistakes go threw.

      So for example following 6S will cost a team 1 day a week of extra work roughly 10 weeks a year of extra work to prevent a problem that will cost an extra weeks of work ever 3 months that will take a week to fix (4 weeks a year) that is just money wasted due to being paranoid of making a mistake.

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    5. Re:GE Invented offshoring by tomhath · · Score: 1

      it was in an era where they were selling off long term industrial businesses and focusing a lot on GE Capital.

      That's correct. At the time the government was trying to stimulate investment by giving generous tax breaks to companies that bought and leased out capital equipment. It seemed like a good idea, essentially let the company with the money take the depreciation; otherwise a small/startup would need to borrow money to buy the equipment - but they weren't making a big profit so the depreciation didn't help them. GE went all in on the deal because of the very good short term financial return.

      Eventually the government backed off on it because profitable companies like GE were getting such huge tax breaks. The increased tax revenues looked good for a few years (remember Clinton's "balanced budget"?), but of course the negative impact on business investment eventually led to the series of recessions we've had since then.

  8. So how far are we from the point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...where so much of the economy is driven by harvesting personal data to sell to advertisers that there aren't enough companies creating real products left anymore who want to advertise?

    Perhaps the disruptive visionaries of the next generation can innovate their way into a future where consumers no longer expect anything at all in exchange for their money. We're already on the road to it, phasing out the archaic concept of property ownership in favor of such ideas as the cloud, the sharing economy, and Windows 10 PCs.

  9. Be afraid. Be very afraid. by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    A company the size of GE cranking out insecure, hackable crap.

    Which is a brilliant move from a company point of view. Never again they'll have to deal with warranty claims since the first thing the customer now has to do is to fry the wifi part of his new fridge, voiding the warranty in the process.

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  10. Free-range? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    "open-plan floors, bench seating,"

    WTF? Software developers dont WANT those things. The executives want those things because it is cheaper to shove everyone in a table in a room.

  11. Re:Why not sooner? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

    Why did it take GE so long to load up on sensors, and computers, for its multimillion dollar turbines? This could have been done 15 years ago. For the stuff GE sells, it is worth hiring people to squeeze out an extra few percent of performance.

    I'm not sure what in the hell this is all about except as MBA babble. GE turbines, fixed and mobile have had an extensive sensor suite for years. Does anybody think you're going to run a multi million dollar device with a couple of gauges and an on / off switch? Maybe they're going to rethink how they put together toaster ovens but that hardly seems to be much of a headline.

    Nothing to see here, move along.

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  12. A startup of 1400? by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    Who ever heard of a startup with that many people! You'd need a bureaucracy just to manage that many people. But then, GE is very comfortable with bureaucracies.

  13. BWAHAHAHAHAHA! by MadTinfoilHatter · · Score: 2

    GE transforming to a startup? Yeah, and on the same note I'm sure that the local circus elephant will learn to fly and soar through the skies any day now. Seriously, as someone who's been working as a contractor for GE for almost 2 years now, the notion of them becoming a startup is utterly ridiculous. In practice the "startup" changes have meant abandoning personal office space for noisy productivity-destroying open plan offices, appointing someone as "scrum master", slapping a parody of scrum on top of the waterfall model and calling it agile.

    Seriously, what the would need to do is shave off about 7 layers of bureaucracy, because right now, something as simple as trying to get QA to accept that the test reports generated by the test automation are not going to be identical to the ones that were previously used when testing was done by hand is a six month political struggle where managers of different departments have to assert themselves in a dick measuring competition. I'd say these guys are about 123 years away from being a startup... :-P

    1. Re:BWAHAHAHAHAHA! by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 1

      Startup is one of buzzwords GE thinks is fancy and likes using (lean and thinning down are similar in business speak). What GE is trying to become is a IoT Incubator and a VC (finance and investment is their bread and butter for past decade, it makes sense).

      Working for GE, you should know how to read between the bullshit by now, mate.

  14. Re:A zillion years ago out of college by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    *nod* I had friends getting degrees in programmable sensors & controllers in the 80s.

    This is just another instance of "We'll do X... on the Internet!", only it's about 10 years late.

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  15. Free Range? by MrBoring · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For the record some of us HATE this idea. I don't want to be that close to my coworkers. I can't work with people staring over my shoulder. I need a reasonable amount of privacy. Since I spend over a third of my life there, I want to be able to bring a couple of personal things and not move them around all the time.

    What makes people think professionals known for introversion want to have absolutely NO privacy?

    1. Re:Free Range? by gtall · · Score: 1

      "What makes people think professionals known for introversion want to have absolutely NO privacy?"

      Business School.

    2. Re:Free Range? by orlanz · · Score: 1

      I too didn't understand this. I have seen this statement said over and over again at multiple companies. "This will attract the young-ins and geeks." But most of the people I know, and even the very young ones... don't like this office environment. Its a "market place" type of environment. Noisy, distracting, odd shaped furniture that doesn't conform to different body sizes, totally open, and very non-personal.

      Some of it is great, the conference rooms, eating areas, relaxation spots, and general walk paths. But there is no workspace that you can call yours or act as a foundation for an area of personal space. Space that is clearly noticed by others so that they politely wait for you to finish up what you are focused on rather than barge into.

      I don't like the really old style workspaces either. They seem gloomy, with the dullest colors little natural lighting or plants, and almost dormitory style in their isolationism. It would be nice if we could have a good balance between the two, but I have yet to find a company that has done it to the point where I preferred it over the old gloom. Most seem to have gone too far because of the office space savings from the new styles. What is not on the business case is the loss of productivity in the chaos.

    3. Re:Free Range? by Kiuas · · Score: 1

      What makes people think professionals known for introversion want to have absolutely NO privacy?

      It doesn't have much to do with what they think the programmers want, it's an efficiency measure. You can fit more people into the same space and as an added bonus they can be more easily monitored. This is enough of a reason for many companies to move to these types of offices and then they just sprinkle some BS about how it's really for the good of the workers.

      It really depends on the type of job. I like my privacy as well, but I've worked jobs in which having the team you work with in the same space actually is a convenience and since I pretty much blast music from my headphones 90 % of the time anyway it's not as big of a deal for me.

      Point is, some people work better alone, some work better with others, and a smart company tailors their premises to accommodate both.

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  16. Those who forget history by Virtucon · · Score: 1

    And they'll wind up building version 10 of GECOS and then sell it off again. Oh wait they already did that.

     

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  17. 25 years late to the game by Chriscypher · · Score: 2

    It's nice that GE is thinking about this now, but this is far from a new idea.

    Predictive maintenance was a new thing 25 years ago. Companies like Computational Systems Inc (CSI), which was later acquired by Emerson, pioneered this technology.

    CSI's first product line used accelerometers placed on each axis to analyze vibrations, which was then graphed and analyzed by software. Based on vibrations, they were able to tell when ball bearings were wearing out so that they may be replaced as part of scheduled line maintenance and avoiding downtime often rated in the $100Ks per hour.

    They branched off into other products such as oil analysis, where they magnetically detected metal in engine oil to determine wear. Etc.

    Very interesting stuff. (Disclosure: I worked for them in the early 90s.)

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  18. Many big corps have started up skunkworks by RandCraw · · Score: 1

    What GE is doing is not unusual. Many corporate giants are trying this in one form or another. They're realized that due to their size, the business can't operate on "internet time"; they're responding too slowly to opportunities, and they're losing ground because they're just not competitive with the little guys.

    But "startup" is the wrong term; it's really an attempt to escape the straightjacket of large company bureaucracy by spawning an internal skunkworks to bypass the slowdowns inherent in any giant top-down organization that was built around yesterday's business objectives and is now unable to change as quickly as the marketplace's rapidly shifting dynamics demand.

    For example, I work for a top 5 pharma. We're spawning two "startup" groups in Boston and Silly Valley, physically separate from our existing campuses. This is *not* because we want to be more like a startup by adopting their funding model or superfast time-to-market deliverables. It's because our (smarter) C-suiters know the existing business practices of a huge company must change faster than a 50+K employee behemoth can possibly move. If they tried to refactor our every role and taskgroup to the degree needed, it'd be so disruptive that we'd die the death of a thousand cuts (literally). But if we don't somehow change faster, we'll also fail, due to having "overfit" an obsolete business model and our inability to "refactor" ourselves quickly.

    So our bigwigs are creating two "innovation" centers that will live *outside* the mainstream of the company -- play by different rules, wages, and cultures, and do so in geographies where that's more the norm. It's hoped that by adopting a faster cycle time for our critical development processes (as a startup must do), we can respond faster and with less of the top-down excessive layering of internal bureaucracy that ossifies big corps into oblivion.

    We shall see.

  19. The Universal Remot Control has been a cruel lie by ragnar_ianal · · Score: 1

    They've had most of my adult life to figure out how to set up a Universal Remote Control to connect all the devices in my living room and every universal remote marketed has been a cruel, cruel lie. If they can not figure out how to do this for my home theater, given the relative simplicity and low (or no) security concerns for my cable converter, television, DVD, amplifier... what makes me believe that they will do this on a consumer level with everyone trying to control the user interface (and revenue stream) by establishing their Dominant Software Layer? They may get it close to right on the industrial level, but too much greed and sloppiness on the consumer level will delay or prevent the IOT from happening on the consumer level. Look to your lack of ease for moving music and movies that you have bought (licensed) from one platform to another and the major impediment is not a lack of technology, but greed and control.

  20. They Aren't Thinking Like a Startup... by Thelasko · · Score: 1

    They bought a startup called Smart Signal a few years ago.

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  21. What's the licence? by LienRag · · Score: 1

    What is the licence of Predix? CloudFoundry is on apache license, so non-viral... Which means that Predix could be as open or closed as GE would want it.