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Companies Are Developing More Apps With Fewer Developers (fortune.com)

Fortune reports that the "yawning gap in tech skills" has resulted in a surprising shift in supply and demand in the software industry. And in many companies now, a growing trend of developer jobs being given to non-developers can be seen. From the article: That's because a relatively new technology, known as low-code or no-code platforms, is now doing a big chunk of the work that high-priced human talent used to do. Low-code platforms are designed so that people with little or no coding or software engineering background -- known in the business as "citizen developers" -- can create apps, both for use in-house and for clients. Not surprisingly, the low-code platform industry, made up of about 40 small companies (so far), is growing like crazy. A recent Forrester Research report put its total revenues at about $1.7 billion in 2015, a figure that's projected to balloon to $15 billion in the next four years. Low-code-platform providers, notes Forrester, are typically seeing sales increases in excess of 50% a year.The report cites QuickBase, a company whose low-code platforms are used by half of the Fortune 500 companies, as an example. Its CEO Allison Mnookin says that almost any employee can now do most or all of the same work that developers used to do. Mnookin adds that there's a big advantage in this. "Opening an app's development to the non-techies who need the app removes misunderstandings between the IT department and other employees about what the end user needs."

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  1. fill in the blanks by turkeydance · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Companies Are ______ With Fewer ______.

    1. Re:fill in the blanks by zifn4b · · Score: 4, Funny

      Companies Are ______ With Fewer ______.

      Cards against Humanity: Developer Edition?

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    2. Re:fill in the blanks by Frobnicator · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Companies Are making more money With Fewer employees.

      What did i win?

      You won the layoff, your CEO won a $15M bonus. Congratulations.

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    3. Re:fill in the blanks by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2

      Companies Are ______ With Fewer ______.

      Put me down for "wasting time and money" and "people who know what they're talking about to catch mistakes early", please.

      The best example of this I've seen so far was an exercise in futility developing a simple in-house process automation system, essentially a glorified database with a bit of e-mail integration and a pretty browser-based interface.

      There were literally months of discussions among a team dominated by middle managers. Along the way, they spent approximately a mid-level developer's annual salary just on external consulting about using someone's workflow automation software, and IIRC that consultation eventually produced a single page of documentation that was basically an ugly diagram of a simple database schema. Finally, one of the few real developers on the team gave up in disgust and just built a basic version in about one day. Which the rest of the team then almost completely ignored, because these things need to be managed and showing initiative to solve the actual problems is a rookie mistake.

      It's easy to see why these tools are attractive for companies that don't generally do software development or web development or whatever it might be, but a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Those of us who remember the joys of Microsoft Access databases and drag-and-drop "rapid application development" tools from the 90s have seen this all before. But now it's in the cloud, with convenient subscription-based pricing! There's a saying about those who don't learn from history...

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  2. Natural progression by QuietLagoon · · Score: 3, Insightful
    It's a natural progression. As a set of core functional requirements start to emerge, a way of easily implementing those core functional requirements also emerges.

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    For example, what I currently do in a LibreOffice spreadsheet used to require one or two developers to write the software to do the same thing.

    Now I just open a spreadsheet, enter some numbers and do the analysis myself.

    1. Re:Natural progression by chipschap · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You have better tools to do more things but those tools came from skilled developers.

      In the "apps" world what I see is indeed more and more apps, about 95% or more of them crappy. Unskilled developers produce bad apps. Yes, that seems to be the trend.

    2. Re:Natural progression by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yep visicalc is an amazing program. Oh wait you mean something recent!

      I have been doing this awhile. I have also converted a few excel spreadsheets to 'real' programs. It usually took many months and undoing of bad ideas.

      Programming spreadsheets usually exemplifies the worst of the worst in programming methodologies. Usually poor separation of control and data. Meaning it starts off fine. But eventually ends up very difficult to change anything for fear of breaking something else.

    3. Re:Natural progression by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      In 1987 I was "programming Lotus 123" for an engineering office, because the engineers were too busy in meetings and travel to be bothered learning how to do their job with "user friendly" spreadsheet software.

    4. Re:Natural progression by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 2

      You have better tools to do more things but those tools came from skilled developers.

      In the "apps" world what I see is indeed more and more apps, about 95% or more of them crappy. Unskilled developers produce bad apps.

      Let them be. They will come crawling back to us when these crap apps start eating their margins.

      Not to mention the stellar security that these apps will come with. A motley crew of Russian or what have you hackers will clean out their databases and/or bank accounts before they have a chance to crawl back.

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    5. Re:Natural progression by lgw · · Score: 2

      In the "apps" world what I see is indeed more and more apps, about 95% or more of them crappy. Unskilled developers produce bad apps. Yes, that seems to be the trend.

      So, what you're saying is: app appers only app apps? Not Luddite software?

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    6. Re:Natural progression by chipschap · · Score: 2

      You have better tools to do more things but those tools came from skilled developers.

      Absolutely. But once the tool is written, it can be widely used without the need for a skilled developer at each user's location.

      Entirely correct, and that's the purpose of well-crafted tools. The tool user, however, must understand the purpose and limitations of said tool.

      Even the most well-crafted tools are subject to abuse by unskilled users. I don't mean someone who uses a spreadsheet to add up columns of numbers or balance a few accounts. I do mean users who (as one example) don't understand databases and so use their spreadsheet as the basis for some thrown-together, integrity-free, error-filled system. These are the users for whom their tool is a hammer and everything else is a nail.

    7. Re:Natural progression by Pseudonymous+Powers · · Score: 2

      I have also converted a few excel spreadsheets to 'real' programs.

      I used to do this as well. I always felt like a dermatologist trying to get a raging, untreated-for-three-years fungal infection under control.

      The phenomenon of accountant/programmers is a tragic one. The ones I encountered were all generally smart people, and once they started using Excel to build programs of a sort, they discovered they really liked it, way better than their real job. Which means, of course, that they probably should have been programmers all along, instead of whatever they ended up being. But I guess they were never exposed to programming before they decided on a career.

      The disease used to progress like this: spreadsheet; spaghetti-code Excel automaton; spaghetti-code Excel automaton with Access backend. The typical accountant/programmer only sought help when they ran up against the Microsoft-mandated maximum size of an Access database. By then, of course, it was far too late.

  3. Browser apps by unixisc · · Score: 3

    Does that include apps that simply involve invoking a browser and opening the website of the application in question? A tactic popular w/ Microsoft in Windows Phone/Mobile

  4. We have these by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sharepoint and InfoPath. This has caused nothing but more problems for us.

    1. Re:We have these by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      Sharepoint seems to be only slightly less productive than an e-mail folder and a shared drive somewhere on the network.

    2. Re:We have these by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 2

      Quite possibly the most succinct analysis of Sharepoint I have ever read.

      This beer is for you, sir.

    3. Re:We have these by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      I've used trac for about a decade now, and it does document revision control (using svn behind the scenes, I believe) - also hooks into svn or git repositories.

      There's a funny thought: lawyers using git for document revision control. It could work quite well, except for the cultural impossibilities.

  5. Right... by zifn4b · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe it's because I don't live on the West Coast but I have yet to see or even hear about one of these platforms. Where I work, writing a SQL query flies over the heads of the majority of product managers and business analysts. QA requires a lot of hand-holding. I'm old enough to remember the days when the non-techies tried to write software platforms hacking VBA in Excel and Access and that turned out really well.

    This is not a new promise. It's been made before and it seems this article is slanted towards one particular product the one I haven't heard of. I know people have been customizing CMS's with clever hacking to make them work for purposes they weren't intended like WordPress and Joomla and so forth but it's not anywhere near what it needs to be to meet real, ever increasing business needs. Heck, for all the progress that HTML5, CSS, Javascript/ECMAScript and all the MVC/MVVM tool stacks that sit on top of them, for most cutting edge companies, it still ain't good enough. They want the sun, the moon and the stars. If hard-core development tool stacks can't deliver it, these lo code/no code solutions sure as heck can't come close.

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    1. Re:Right... by StormReaver · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Where I work, writing a SQL query flies over the heads of the majority of product managers and business analysts.

      This is pretty close to the core of a problem that can't be fixed with drag and drop tools. The core problem isn't writing code. That's the easy part that anyone can learn. The real problem is analysis, a skill that very few people (relative to the business population) have. All the code generators in the world won't solve that problem.

      A good developer isn't a good developer because he can write code. He is a good developer because he can integrate the components of a system into a coherent whole. No programming automation system will magically teach someone how to do that.

      As you've said before, we've seen this promise come and go more than once in the last 30 years. Like "cloud computing" and the dot bomb, this fad will peak and fall.

    2. Re:Right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Because MS FrontPage put millions of programmers outta job back in the day...

      This is just a passing fad. We'll see what happens when the first big security flaw is exploited.

    3. Re:Right... by helixcode123 · · Score: 2

      You hit the nail on the head. Wish I had mod points.

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    4. Re:Right... by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Much of the essence of building a program is in fact the debugging of the specification."

      Fred Brooks, No Silver Bullet

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  6. and they're abandoned in 10... 9... 8... 7... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    today's low-code shortcut is tomorrow's abandoned platform ... cold fusion ... delphi ... VB6 ... you name it, it's been abandoned ... placing bets on a fly by nite startup's platform is not a good idea ...

    1. Re:and they're abandoned in 10... 9... 8... 7... by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      10 print "Wow, I can make apps with this tool without hiring an expensive developer."
      20 print "Oh, this tool only lets me make generic apps and none of the unique features I need; hire a developer."
      30 goto 10

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    2. Re:and they're abandoned in 10... 9... 8... 7... by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 4, Informative

      Delphi was and is not a low-code solution. It is a RAD environment where some really simple apps (i.e. the Fish app) could be built by dropping a few components on a form and linking the properties and writing a couple of events. But, most applications (and visual/non-visual component creation required coding skills.

      What killed Delphi was stupid decisions by Borland/Inprise to move away from what they did best and become an "Enterprise" company instead of a developer company. They also concentrated on Windows-only development when other platforms (mobile, web, Linux, Mac) were becoming popular (see first f'up). And, they raised the price so far that even dedicated developers and can't afford it's stratospheric pricing ($2600+) - only Gods and birds can reach it.

      The language is a dialect of Object Pascal (not in vogue despite its power). Delphi is the IDE and hasn't changed much over the years. It can now target Windows, Mac, iOS, and Android. Linux server is coming. It is very easy to create a highly complex, cross- platform application in a way that Xamarin can't touch. Performance for business apps is good. But, I have yet to see a real game written using it. And, good luck in getting Delphi into your IT shop these days (at least in the US).

      Not until developers can afford it again and work with it to see its power (if they can tolerate the language), it will regain its market share.

    3. Re:and they're abandoned in 10... 9... 8... 7... by chuckugly · · Score: 2

      They should have dropped Pascal or at least relegated it second place and taken C++ Builder full on as their premier platform. This was about the time I dropped Borland as a tools vendor. They were off in the weeds building things virtually no one wanted while C++ and it's children were taking over the world. The drop of BCPP as a world class compiler was the beginning of the end for Borland.

  7. Simple or disposable apps by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This'll work fine for very simple apps, ones that only require standardized functionality. But then, with an app like that, do you really need to develop a custom one for any reason other than branding/appearance? And it'll work for disposable apps, ones that do the current job but don't need to be maintained or enhanced down the road. That's been true forever, it's why spreadsheets and word processors had macro languages so secretaries and accountants could do simple operations and calculations without needing to have the programming team get involved. But the moment you start dealing with an app with complex functionality that has to be changed, enhanced and extended over time, that's when you'll discover that you need software engineers. It's the same reason anybody who can grab a hammer and saw can cobble together a sawhorse that'll work for one job, but you need someone who understands architecture and construction to build a house that's expected to last for decades.

    1. Re:Simple or disposable apps by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Wasn't C0807 (I will not utter its name here) designed so that accountants could write programs? Then there was CASE, anybody remember that fad?

      Yay, just write all your core business applications using MIT scratch!

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  8. Next buzzword by AlanBDee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    “You don’t need to know how to code in order to use them, but you do need strong analytical skills,”

    Um yep. Knowing how to read and write a programming language is the easy part. Having the analytical skills to achieve the task is why we get paid well.

    "low-code platform" is just another buzzword unless there is a difference between "low-code platform" and SAP, OBI, Sharepoint, infopath, etc.

    Our Sharepoint developer also codes in C#. Sharepoint is just a tool for him.

    1. Re:Next buzzword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Um yep. Knowing how to read and write a programming language is the easy part. Having the analytical skills to achieve the task is why we get paid well.

      Hell, I've watched developers break upon the rocky shores of analytics packages.

      You're always going to be able to do more low-skill labor with less people - welcome to progress. There's never going to be a shortage of high-skill labor - welcome to continued progress. Most people who think they're high-skill, aren't, is always the problem - welcome to the human condition.

  9. Re:This has nothing to do with "skills gap". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, we will not see "programming disappear". This same stuff has been predicted continuously for decades now. People skilled in the use of tools are many times more productive than those who are unskilled. As the tools themselves get more productive, the skilled users become more valuable. What I suspect we are seeing here is the temporary drop in the usefulness of software due to phones and tablets causing the unskilled to be able to produce "state of the art". This is a temporary phenomena that will end when software and computers become more useful again.

  10. Re:This will drive pay down by AlphaBro · · Score: 2

    Excellent point. As more tools like this appear from the aether, the value of developers will decline.

  11. Re:This will drive pay down by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

    Excellent point. As more tools like this appear from the aether, the value of developers will decline.

    History says otherwise. Tools that make people more productive cause those people to be more valuable, not less. A developer that produces 10 apps per year is going to bring in more profit than a developer that produces one app per year, and can thus command a higher salary.

    Rising productivity does not cause poverty. It causes prosperity. If your brain is too dysfunctional to realize that through logic, then just open your eyes and look at the world: Countries/regions with high productivity: America, Western Europe, East Asia. Countries with low productivity: Ethiopia, Niger, Pakistan, North Korea. Do you really think the latter group have benefited by avoiding "job killing" productivity improvements?

  12. Re:Isn't this what VB was for? by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

    VB, PHP(spit!), JavaScript... the commonality is the ease with which a neophyte can 'code' something, and in the process open some real nasty and easily-exploitable security holes with 'em (which reminds me... how does the TFA product avoid a lot of this?)

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  13. Re:This will drive pay down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yet another case of someone attempting to apply an absolute to a real-world problem. The historical trends you cited only apply to a situation where a significant number of human beings in the "world market" (such as it was) were in need of goods/services and could be counted on as customers; in other words, an anomaly. Do not expect the trend to continue.

    Once productivity outstrips demand (or rather, quantity demanded at any given point in time), continued increases in productivity only devalue labor, since you have a situation where you only need to produce X, but can do so with a declining number of people Y. If we apply this effect across all employers everywhere, they will all simultaneously seek to reduce Y while maintaining X. But as Y decreases, quantity demanded (X) must decrease as the overall buying power of people declines (due to layoffs), leading to a cascade effect in which X and Y decline together.

    You can not argue that increased productivity increases the value of human labor if quantity demanded is either static or (inevitably) in decline.

    Yes, a few people that remain valuable to industry of one sort or another WILL see an increase in pay as they take on the work of 2-4 or more former colleagues, but what of everyone else? Unless they "retrain" they will certainly see declining wages as they have been rendered obsolete in the view of the marketplace, reducing the effective value of their labor to 0 or near-0.

    "Retraining" means moving people into a new labor sector where they will compete with people already attempting to make a living. Increases in available labor there will drive down the real-world value of that labor.

    If you would open your eyes, you would notice that manufacturing worldwide is in decline, that long-term permanent unemployment in "developed" countries like the United States is up, and that growth is stagnant. Nations like Niger are poor examples as they have terrible socioeconomic dysfunction and have never functioned at a level even approaching optimal economic conditions. Attempting to apply labor supply/demand models to a nation like Niger is a waste of time. Just look at their labor laws!

  14. I've seen this kind of thing before by jlowery · · Score: 2

    Looking at the links Google turns up for "low code". Marketing hype is all I'm seeing. This will be sold to CEOs the world over and it will fall short. Remember CASE? CORBA? 4GL? Visual Basic? Same smell.

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  15. Which is no problem, unless internet or important by raymorris · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Having people writing scripts to make their job easier can be great. Sometimes you don't need to actually know what you're doing to write software.

    It only becomes a big problem when either a) it's exposed on the internet, where hacker bots hit it a thousand ties per day (headline: Acme Corp exposes 12 Million Credit Cards) or b) the data is actually important to your business. Example you write "rm $file", that's no problem until someone puts a * in a file name and it deletes everything in the folder.

    If it's going to be on the internet, or deal with mission-critical data or resources, it's good to have it done by people who know what they're doing, who know what the common errors are and how to avoid them*.

    * Not everyone with the word "developer" in their title is qualified. Does their education include systems development, or do they have a chemistry degree?

  16. RAD is 25 years old. by mtippett · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Search for Rapid Application Development from the 90's.

    Powerbuilder is one such tool that started getting built in early 1990's. What is old is new again.

  17. Re:Which is no problem, unless internet or importa by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Multi user too.

    Writing some macros that tie word and a spreadsheet together might work ok for the non developer that created it, but once multiple people start using it, the fact that the author didn't know anything about mutex or acid or race conditions will be a re-run of the mid to late 90s all over again.

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  18. Re:This has nothing to do with "skills gap". by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Back in the day, you had to move wires around to program and then someone had the bright idea of assembly. Then someone invented human readable code. And we've been programming like that for what? 60 years now? Programming hasn't changed much at all since then. We're basically writing code.

    What nonsense.

    I remember when "lines of code" was a widely-accepted measure of programmer productivity -- and the industry standard was single digit counts per programmer per day. That's less than ten lines per day per developer. And these were mostly programs for batch processing; some systems supported interactive use, where you'd type a command on a terminal, enter data in response to some prompts, and then see results. There was process-control stuff happening, too, but when a system executing thousands of instructions per second had to control a physical process, it wasn't very elaborate -- there wasn't time, never mind RAM, for much complexity. So, programmers thought really hard about each line that they wrote. (Are you old enough to have heard the term "desk checking"? Why waste valuable computer time trying to compile and run something, when it's got bugs that you should have caught with a few hours' review?)

    By the standards of those days, most of today's code is profligate waste -- coddling the users, correcting their mistakes, presenting things in a way that's convenient to the user rather than the computer. But by the standards of those days, displaying streaming video or recognizing speech by comparing it against a multi-terabyte distributed archive of conversational snippets is bleeding magic.

    And being able to invoke that power by calling a simple API? Oh, sure, that's exactly like duplicating your Quicksort card deck to add it into your current FORTRAN job.

  19. Re:This has nothing to do with "skills gap". by clodney · · Score: 4, Interesting

    No, we will not see "programming disappear". This same stuff has been predicted continuously for decades now. People skilled in the use of tools are many times more productive than those who are unskilled. As the tools themselves get more productive, the skilled users become more valuable. What I suspect we are seeing here is the temporary drop in the usefulness of software due to phones and tablets causing the unskilled to be able to produce "state of the art". This is a temporary phenomena that will end when software and computers become more useful again.

    I don't think we will see programming disappear, but I think we will see the low hanging fruit moving away from professional developers and into a generic white collar worker. Think about the progression of clerical functions - years ago you had a pool of typists, because it was both a manual skill that most office workers did not have, and difficult enough that it was worthwhile to farm it out to specialists (though in this case the specialists were cheap). Then we had word processing come in, and initially it was done by clerical staff, but the bar was raised in terms of what constituted "professional looking" output. Then the software became easy enough, and the office workers sufficiently used to typing and using computers that word processing as a dedicated job function has moved into a publishing role.

    Now we have a situation where everyone is expected to be able to use a word processor, and while anyone can type up a simple letter or paper, turning those same people loose on a multi-chapter book that is expected to use consistent styles and formatting rules is asking for trouble. Talk to any tech writer or publisher, and you will hear horror stories about documents in exactly the same way we talk about spaghetti code.

  20. let the avalanche of crappy apps continue by wardk · · Score: 2

    no skills coding, what could go wrong?

  21. Re:This is nothing new by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    For small-ish (non-enterprise) apps, the real problem with VB Classic was not really the language or IDE, but the deployment and DLL-Hell, especially if it used 3rd-party components. The installation and help-desk staff hated that aspect.

  22. QuickBase is awesome... by PhantomHarlock · · Score: 2

    ...but the price is not. They have no serious competitors as far as I can tell, the market is screaming for competition. If you need to build a network-accessible database driven application that runs in a browser, it's really, really slick.

    I was involved with a project to build a type of customer database using QuckBase - it would track and follow a customer's project all the way to completion, and multiple people with different roles could interact with it in various ways. Imagine Filemaker Pro or MS Access on steroids and network enabled.

    To earn our business, QBase reps basically built the bones of the program in realtime as we chatted on the phone and watched via webex, for free and gave us a month to play with it at no cost. After that it was around $300 per month, so out of range of individuals but fine for businesses that can justify it with revenue.

    I think there is a huge future for this market that's waiting to be tapped further. Right now it's a bit of a monopoly.

  23. Re: Demand by hackwrench · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Which is why i would eat 10 pizzas and buy 20 laptops, cars, houses, etc. if I only had the money.

    Oh, wait... I wouldn't. I'm tired of that old chestnut of infinite wants, limited resources going unchallenged. The first is only true over time and the latter is generally true over a fixed period of time.

  24. Re: This will drive pay down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Productivity gains almost always boil down to a transfer of wealth from labour to capital. The economy as a whole might benefit in an abstract sense but that hasn't helped actual people much in the last 30 years. We now work longer hours for less buying power.

  25. Re: This has nothing to do with "skills gap". by locketine · · Score: 2

    I'm calling you out on the "far higher quality standards" bluff. I've worked with big name, cheap labor shops, and it was far from high quality, but it was delivered quickly and cheaply. For proof of concept and quick market capture they're an excellent choice but you'll have to recreate your product later when the tech debt grinds your product to a halt and loses you customers due to service outages and inability to fulfill changing business requirements.

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  26. Re:This will drive pay down by jandersen · · Score: 2

    If your brain is too dysfunctional ...

    I think your reasoning is too simplistic - throughout history we have seen many times, how increased automation means job-losses for the people whose skills are being automated; I can't see how anybody can explain that away. Automation quite often also leads to loss of variation - products become more uniform, because a machine always makes it in the same way, and is able to produce in huge quantities; some would argue that this is another downside. However, it is true that over time the increased productivity often leads to better outcomes for society as a whole, once the people that lost their livelyhoods have gone away in one way or another.

    Another part of reasoning you haven't addressed is the fact that companies do this to drive down cost per unit produced; very often this means employing low-skilled, cheap workers instead of the more expensive, highly skilled ones. So, more employment for unskilled workers, which is good for them, of course, but since there will be less employment for the skilled workers, who lost out, there is less incentive for anyone to get an education in that particular skill. That, in turn, will lead to a situation where that skill becomes higly specialilsed; and if the skill is one that is still going to be of critical importance, then those few specialists will become very valuable, and thus expensive. And of course, the fewer there are of these experts, the closer you get to have a single point of failure, where companies can't find the critical staff they need. There's a bit of a cyclical argument going on here, but I think I have demonstrated that it isn't quite as simple as you suggest.

  27. Re: This will drive pay down by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 2

    It tends to balance out if there is meaningful competition. At least for those goods where there is no bottleneck for production and competition can drive down prices.
    For instance, my own salary has seen only minor increases over the last ten years, but there are also a lot of cheap offers for technology stuff. Food and housing have seen more price hikes, but I can still live with those.

    And if it wasn't for politics supporting capital over labour, things would look even better for the "working class". A lot of the transfer of wealth from labour to capital was actually caused by shifts in legislation that favored the capital side.

    So while I don't trust the left-wing parties in my country too much, I'm increasingly inclined to support them in the next elections. Because I see plenty of evidence that it is needed to stop capital from grabbing an ever larger part of the pie.

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