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Apple Removed Headphone Jack From New iPhones Because It Owns Largest Bluetooth Headphone Company (theverge.com)

Apple's new iPhones -- the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus -- don't have the headphone jack. The company's SVP Phil Schiller said the move signifies "courage" from the company to put a 100-year-old audio standard to bed. But there could be one more reason for this transition to a Bluetooth/Wireless headphones future: it owns the largest Bluetooth headphones company -- Beats. The Verge reports: More likely is that the lack of a headphone jack on the iPhone -- and increasingly, on Android phones as well -- will lead to an uptick in sales of Bluetooth headphones. And it just so happens that Apple owns the number one Bluetooth headphone company, Beats. Beats brings in more revenue from Bluetooth headphones than LG, Bose, or Jaybird, according to NPD figures released in July. In terms of unit sales, it controls over a quarter of the Bluetooth headphone market. Bluetooth headphones are also disproportionately profitable among headphones. NPD has them accounting for 54 percent of all dollars spent in the market, despite representing only 17 percent of units sold in the U.S.. These headphones sell at high prices with high margins, and Apple's company is making the best of it so far. Sales of Bluetooth headphones are already growing, with units up 64 percent year over year according to NPD's US figures. And Apple's removal of the headphone jack is likely to give them another boost.

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  1. Apple is trying to make money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Gasp! It's like...everything they do is about making more money! I never realized!

    1. Re:Apple is trying to make money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah and they sure don't let ethics get in the way either.

    2. Re:Apple is trying to make money? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think TFA has the cause and effect backwards. Apple likely bought Beats because they were planning to remove the audio jack, expected Android to eventually follow their lead, and figured that, therefore, a bluetooth headphone company would be a good investment.

      They didn't remove the audio jack because they own Beats.
      They bought Beats because they were planning to remove the jack.

    3. Re:Apple is trying to make money? by HornWumpus · · Score: 5, Informative

      Beats was just a perfect fit for apple.

      Crap product at premium price...what's not to love?

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    4. Re:Apple is trying to make money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, they bought Beats because Beats is _exactly_ the same style of business that Apple is and a perfect match. They make high-margin pieces of shit electronics which command high prices because they're fashion accessories.

    5. Re:Apple is trying to make money? by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I expect it is a chicken and egg.
      The 3.5mm Audio port was made around 1964 was designed for technology that had its covering material thicker than the full devices today. The port is now huge compared to what is needed. That space could be used for extra battery, or more sensors...
      I am sure Apple has been seeing this engineering problem.
      So it would make sense for them to encourage the growth of bluetooth, so they can get to a point where they can get by without making a port.

      Apple tends to be the first company to ditch old technology. Usually with a bunch of people complaining at first, then shortly realize it isn't that big of a deal. As apple usually offers an alternative.
       

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    6. Re:Apple is trying to make money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's called courage now.

    7. Re:Apple is trying to make money? by Calydor · · Score: 2

      Yeah, you're probably right on this.

      To me, it seems likely that Apple wanted to switch to Bluetooth - but only if they could control the bluetooth market to a certain degree. So they bought Beats because they wanted to change, but if they hadn't been able to buy Beats (or whatever competitor there may be) they might not have replaced the jack after all.

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    8. Re:Apple is trying to make money? by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Informative

      Apple likely bought Beats because they were planning to remove the audio jack

      You have a very short memory. The purchase of Beats had zero to do with headphones and everything to do with buying an active music streaming service adding something they were missing while simultaneously removing a competitor in the industry.

      You don't pay $3bn on a set of crappy bluetooth headphones when you already produce headphones of your own and already have partnerships with companies who also provide Apple dedicated audio equipment. You sure as hell don't run a business with the thought that "hey in 2 years we're are going to do something incredibly stupid, very unpopular, something that will get us grilled from every corner of the tech presses, maybe we should figure out a way to make money of this dumb idea too!"

    9. Re:Apple is trying to make money? by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      So they bought Beats because they wanted to change

      Apple spent $3bn to buy a set of headphones anticipating that in the future they were going to make a somewhat unpopular move of removing a headphone jack?

      I always thought that Apple spent $3bn on a company that was only valued at $3bn because of it's music streaming service and contracts with the music industry in place at a time where they were having difficultly breaking into that market, and at a time when Beats actually sold a shitload less bluetooth headphones.

      But yes it all must be this magical jack the internet can't stop talking about. Maybe I should name my first born "Jack" in honour of this move. At least when he grows up no matter how stupid of a mistake he makes someone will just justify it retrospectively, change history a bit and recognise him for the genius he is.

    10. Re:Apple is trying to make money? by Shoten · · Score: 2

      Yeah, you're probably right on this.

      To me, it seems likely that Apple wanted to switch to Bluetooth - but only if they could control the bluetooth market to a certain degree. So they bought Beats because they wanted to change, but if they hadn't been able to buy Beats (or whatever competitor there may be) they might not have replaced the jack after all.

      I think there's one step beyond that, even. They wanted to switch to Bluetooth - but they weren't entirely happy with what was out there on the market. So that's an opportunity for them. Come up with a better solution at one end, get rid of the jack at the other end, and you're both driving demand and pulling it with supply of a good device.

      And yes, I know...I haven't used the Airpods yet. But one of the biggest problems with fully-cordless Bluetooth earphones is that the head itself is unfriendly to the frequency range that Bluetooth uses. For all the chiding over how those little extensions stick out of the ears, they almost certainly solve the main issue with this kind of device by putting out antennae that extend well out of the ear canal.

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    11. Re:Apple is trying to make money? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Funny

      last time I was in the UK, it was explained to me that 'courage houses' were the worst ones to go to for good beer.

      not sure if there is a linkage here or not, but I learned to think of 'courage' as stuff you don't want. at least when it comes to bitters and lagers.

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    12. Re:Apple is trying to make money? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't think it could be much smaller, Maybe a little shorter, but then the contacts are closer together and it will be more picky about the plug fitting exactly. It can't be much smaller in diameter since humans have to get it in the hole and a smaller hole is harder to hit unless you're concentrating on it, I can plug the headphones into my phone without looking ...

      Oh... headphones. I wasn't sure where you were going with this. I was thinking: worse pick-up line ever...

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    13. Re:Apple is trying to make money? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are much thinner phones on the market today that use a full-size 3.5mm jack (Vivo X3S is 6mm, Huawei Ascend P3 is around 6.18mm, and the Gionee ELife S7 at 5.5mm, for example). And the volume occupied by the jack MIGHT allow something around 50-70 mAhr of more battery - about enough to run that Bluetooth radio for an hour or so - meaning if you listen to Bluetooth headphones for more than an hour you're down on total operational time as you continue to consume more power than if you just had a wired headphone.

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    14. Re:Apple is trying to make money? by Yvan256 · · Score: 2

      Hey you! Stop making sense with your facts! This is supposed to be an anti-Apple thread!

    15. Re:Apple is trying to make money? by flargleblarg · · Score: 2

      I think TFA has the cause and effect backwards.

      Huh? I think The Force Awakens had the cause and effect just right.

    16. Re:Apple is trying to make money? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      I feel blessed to have witnessed the birth of the next great Apple meme.

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    17. Re:Apple is trying to make money? by speedplane · · Score: 2

      Why are both the three first and best comments on this post done anonymously? Whoever you are, this is gold, speak your mind.

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    18. Re:Apple is trying to make money? by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Thinner is one issue but more to the fact what could you fill in that space. More battery? More processing? Another sensor or two?
      It isn't that the port is a stop in progress but it is an engineering hurdle that need to be looking looked at in every design.

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    19. Re:Apple is trying to make money? by v1 · · Score: 2

      I think TFA has the cause and effect backwards.

      That's the first thing that came to mind for me. "Cart before the horse much?"

      Good businesses carefully examine growing trends, and look for ways to leverage their existing assets and market positions to their advantage. Great businesses anticipate and plan future trends, build and position their assets in advance, and back the trends that they will then be in a perfect position to capitalize on in the future. It's all about strategic planning over the long term. An ounce of planning is worth a pound of reacting,

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    20. Re:Apple is trying to make money? by gtall · · Score: 3, Interesting

      People buy Apple because of the way the software works without making you cough up a hairball just to move around the interface. Few ever buy MS for the software. Android is somewhere in the middle, if you could count on your phone getting updates.

      The fact that Apples hardware is a bit behind is merely a product of them making their software work well with it. If they were changing it all the time to be fashion accessories for the techno-crowd, it would work....about as well as MS software.

      By the way, I was just at a logic conference, just about everyone had Macs. You couldn't accuse that crowd of being fashion conscious.

    21. Re:Apple is trying to make money? by Holi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Few ever buy MS for the software."

      I disagree, people don't buy MS products for the OS, they certainly do for the software, as more of it runs on Windows then any other OS.

      If you bought your computer for the fashionable OS the you bought the equivalent of a decorative hammer. Computers are tools, and I am a firm believer that the OS should get out of your way so your software (the whole reason you have a computer) can do it's work.

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  2. Not Causal by pubwvj · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, that is one very cynical view. Of course they might have reasons that benefit users. The fact that they offer an adapter rather dispels this theory. Get good Bluetooth headphones and you won't want to go back. Hint: x.

    1. Re:Not Causal by DaHat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The fact that they offer an adapter rather dispels this theory.

      Hardly, the adapter they give you for free lets you do exactly 1/2 of what you could before.

      Today you can plug in an aux cable into almost any recent smartphone as well as another cable to charge when going for a drive. You will have to spend at least $40 more for an awkward, third party adapter (plus another cable) to do the same job... once the adapter is released.

      Get good Bluetooth headphones and you won't want to go back

      Tell you what... I'll do that... if you agree to pay for every ticket and auto insurance bump I get from using them in the car when driving (where I normally care about using an aux jack).

      I could go buy some BT adapter (yeah! spending even more money to get back to where I was!!!) for my 2011 vehicle (which has BT, just not A2DP), however I've yet to find one that doesn't suck big time.

      Or... I just won't buy an iPhone 7.

    2. Re:Not Causal by Sable+Drakon · · Score: 5, Informative

      Too bad there aren't any affordable and good sounding bluetooth headphones. The DAC in most BT headphones are shittier than the ones in smartphones, the audo fidelity is worse, and the compression required to use AADP further degrades audio reproduction. Apple just wants to sell people on a shittier experience and force them to like it. 3.5mm headphones sound better, they're cheaper, they're more compatible, and they don't introduce compression artifacts. So on this, Apple can get fucked.

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    3. Re:Not Causal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Of course they might have reasons that benefit users.

      Such as providing an inspiring example of "courage"?

    4. Re:Not Causal by JamesTRexx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't forget to mention with a simple piece of wiring between phone and speakers there's no need to replace batteries or have to recharge the earbuds often.
      Sounds more environmentally responsible too.

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    5. Re:Not Causal by SeaFox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, that is one very cynical view. Of course they might have reasons that benefit users.

      Everything you can do with the new headphone-jackless iPhone 7 could have been done with the previous models. The iPhone 5/5S/6/6S, and SE all have Lightning ports and bluetooth, so there was zero reason Apple had to remove the headphone jack if they wanted to start shipping dongles and AirPods instead of wired earphones.

      They didn't do anything with the space the 3.5mm jack was before, just added a (non-functional) speaker grille for aesthetic reasons. They could have added a second Lightning port to the phone, so you can use the headphone dongle and charge your phone at the same time. But why spend a couple dollars more in parts when you can make the consumer spend $40 to do the same thing instead?

    6. Re:Not Causal by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't forget to mention with a simple piece of wiring between phone and speakers there's no need to replace batteries or have to recharge the earbuds often.

      Shhhhhhhhh, don't mess with their business model!

      Also, what happens when the batteries degrade to where they're no longer any good? You get to buy a new pair (yippee!) or pay to have them repaired/replaced (yippee!).

      The worst part? The sewers will be filled with these as they fall out and go bouncing off into the gutter, sewer, toilet, heating vent, tall grass, etc etc. Stick your head out the window? Whoops, there they go. Lose one on a beach or out in the woods? Good luck finding it.

      I can't count the number of times that the wires have kept me from losing an earbud.

      And no, you probably won't be able to buy just a left or a right...because that would just be wrong. You'll have to buy both, leaving you with a extra, completely useless one. If they get mixed up at a party or whatever and you end up with two right-side units somehow, well, too bad for you. But hey, they're only another $160 bucks per pair, so stop whining!

      Next up for sale: the Apple "iTether", a pair of sturdy white wires that attach to the earbuds so they don't get lost when you drop them. BRILLIANT!

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    7. Re:Not Causal by frnic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am sorry, I wasn't aware you were being forced to buy Apples products. I can certainly see why you are so upset with the change and not being given the option to buy someone else product instead.

    8. Re:Not Causal by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      I hope so. I have a good friend who is traditionally an Apple person and he is totally pumped for the oncoming of completely wireless headphones.

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    9. Re: Not Causal by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      We live in the first world. Why would we worry about someone else's problems? That will only make a person psychotic.

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  3. Upgrade your iPhone 6 to an iPhone 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    With one of these: http://appleplugs.com/

  4. Should have called it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The iPhone "Jack off". Suits the product and it's customers perfectly.

  5. No benefit other than losing the cord by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Headphones, and your ears, are analog. The signal gets converted from digital to analog before you can hear it, and is amplified. So, do you want to use the amplifier in the phone, which has a nice big battery and a powerful amplifier that can also drive the speaker, and that can easily dissipate any heat from the amplifier, or the amplifier in your headphone, which if it's an in-ear one is going to have limitations regarding the battery and the amplifier.

    It is not even theoretically possible for a Bluetooth headphone to make better sound. At best, it's the same. The only benefit is that you lose the cord.

    This was an astonishingly cynical move and I hope that Apple loses customers over it.

    1. Re:No benefit other than losing the cord by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'd be with you if this was RF wiring. But at 20 kilohertz maximum (which you won't hear past teenage), no way. The resistance is not significant, the capacitance is not significant, the headphone wire is not acting as a transmission line in any relevant way at that length and frequency, the way it would at RF. If it were acting as a transmission line, what you say would make sense.

      Those folks who are selling you oxygen-free copper wires and other forms of guilding the lily are depending on your psychological expectation that things will sound better, just as your car might seem to run better after you give it a good shine.

  6. For Apple's Next Trick by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The iPhone 8 will require special glasses to see the screen. Apple will congratulate itself for its bravery in leading the industry in such a move.

  7. umm, unlikely by real+gumby · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think the largest bluetooth headset seller is some anonymous company in China. The cheap BT headsets you can see on Amazon or Alibaba mostly all look the same, so I suspect are just barely-rebadged versions of the same thing. And surely their volume collectively exceed the sum of Beats, Bose and (never heard of them) Jaybird. And by "volume" I don't just mean units, but as the unit number is so enormous, I also mean dollars.

    As for their actual motivations etc...whatever.

  8. Re:I don't get the fuss by hyades1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I bet you just love the way Apple knows you're so cool and tech savvy you'll never need to choose between charging your phone and listening to music.

    And the convenience of having a pair of headphones that work on just about any device anywhere in the world capable of producing sound kind of sucks, too.

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  9. Good luck with that by iamacat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Headphones do not come with 0% career financing like cell phones. Someone who owns one expensive wired pair to use at home and other for exercise may well be tempted to check out Android offerings rather than putting up with the hassle of two dongles to listen and charge at the same time.

  10. Re:I don't get the fuss by ZipK · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Like a lot of technologies, people cling to it because it's familiar, unchanged, simple.

    Wired headphones never need to be recharged. That is vastly more important to me on a day-to-day basis than dealing with a cord, which has never really been a problem.

  11. Shot down. by mjwx · · Score: 2

    Well, that is one very cynical view. Of course they might have reasons that benefit users. The fact that they offer an adapter rather dispels this theory. .

    How so?

    The fact they offer and adaptor for sale tends to confirm the theory rather than dispel it.

    Beyond this you have two problems.

    First and foremost is that people hate adaptors. They're a pain in the arse, they get lost, forgotten or stolen. They're difficult to replace at short notice (and cost a kings ransom when they can). They're also quite fragile, on a mobile device this is going to be a huge problem.

    Secondly there is only one port, so this means you can charge OR use the adaptor. A lot of people only use the 3.5 mm jack for connecting to the aux in on their cars, its simpler and better quality when using nav and music applications, especially if you're using the one on the head unit and the other on the phone. This means that people wont be able to charge and use their device at the same time in the car, trust me, a lot of people will do this and rely on their commute to charge their phone. Also, they're another device you need to charge and keep charged.

    Get good Bluetooth headphones and you won't want to go back. Hint: x.

    Get a cheap pair of wired headphones and listen to the huge increase in quality.

    I have a pair of $30 Senn HD201's which aren't particularly high end, they are far better than $300 bluetooth headphones I've used. When you're on a call I can instantly identify anyone using bluetooth as it introduces static, echos and other artefacts, the cheaper devices also introduce noticeable delays.

    Bluetooth produces a noticeable drop in audio quality due to compression which is due to limited bandwidth.

    I'm sorry that you've drunk the cool aid and need to defend everything that Apple does, but they've seriously screwed up here.

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  12. Re:But Apple has made life better for you by Goetterdaemmerung · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you really care about audio quality, you should be pretty excited about headphones that can draw power from the lightning connecter... that allows for better processing, better noise cancellation, and so on all for headphones that never need a battery.

    That's something that couldn't happen if Apple stuck with audio jacks.

    This doesn't make sense. The DAC is the most important component of digital audio quality. Moving it to the headphones does none of these things (digital processing is still in the phone) and takes the control of audio quality entirely out of Apple's hands. This seems counter to their general philosophy.

    As for the wireless part, it seems like Apple is trying to make that as nice as possible, with as high a quality as possible. That too is better if you care about audio at all.

    So why so down on such an obvious improvement that helps wired AND wireless users?

    This also doesn't make sense. Bluetooth compression is known for reducing audio quality, even if you ignore the various reported connectivity issues.

    Replacing an old standard without an improved solution (even if proprietary) is very unlike Apple. My only conclusion is this is a money grab. It shows them struggling to differentiate themselves in the market. I think they may have jumped the shark.

  13. And Beats.. Really? by thesupraman · · Score: 5, Informative

    And the most impressive part is how completely, utterly terrible Beats headphones actually are!
    Really, go and try some reasonable Sennheiser, Koss, AKG, Pioneer, hell even Sony...

    Beats are just plain out terrible, especially for the money.
    But then owners are not buying sound are they, ts all about a stylized 'b' on the ears...

    The number of people I have donated older Sennheiser phones to who have then given away their
    much more expensive Beats amazes me. PX200 for travel, HD280Pro for home. both cheap 2nd hand.

    But, yes the move by apple is rather transparent.
    #1, take attention off the lack of other improvements in the 7 by doing something controversial.
    #2, improve Beats/Apple profit by gouging the fanbase even more.

    It seems thats what passes for innovation these days - that and crying over un(fairly)paid tax being called in.
    Sad, really.

  14. Of course this is the reason. by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 2

    And, forcing everyone to use bluetooth, so they can sell more Beats bluetooth headphones, is exactly why there's no way to plug regular headphones into the iPhone 7. This is why they don't even include a free adapter in the box with each and every single iPhone.

    Oh, hang on a minute...

  15. Pros and cons by MrKaos · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Let us be a bit pragmatic about this by analysing the electronics and the data stream.

    I'm a fan of the jack because it allows me to choose the headphones. The only thing I don't have control over is the DAC in the phone.

    For general listening Beats are a heavy headphone and after seeing a construction breakdown on /. some time ago found their specs to be average. A good set of senheiser headphones would be a better investment. Bose look and sound good however I had a hard time tracking down specs last time I was shopping. I'm pretty fussy and my headphones have a response range 16Hz - 28kHz and handle 200mw of power. I have to wear them alot for mixing so they have to be leightweight and they also have interesting features like auto muting when I take them off. I found AKGs to be perfect here.

    Apple's decision means I can choose higher quality DACs for headphones however it also means the end of the era for lightweight quality headphones as it means these devices will have to carry a battery, receiver, DAC, amplifier *AND* audio membrane. More likely, significantly more functionality.

    Considering iTunes accepts music at 96Khz for the masters it is likely this is the next phase of innovation Apple is suggesting where DAC converter in headphone technology improve as consumer grade headphones are able to process higher bitrates with better sound quality and still deliver an enjoyable power delivery and battery life. What it means for people like me is that my high quality gear exposes the limitations of the phone.

    It also means all the associated DAC technology on the phone only has to match the bandwidth of the phone's speakers. I can see why this is a plus for manufacturers as I doubt the DAC in many phones now could deliver the dynamic range that my AKGs can handle and the only way to improve that is to have better DACs and amplifiers on the phone. By not having to have that shootout with other phone manufacturers all manufacturers reduce cost, complexity and, power consumption of their phones.

    However it also means the end of private analogue connection to the phone as locally eavesdroping on unencrypted bluetooth connections becomes more probable.

    This is a new type of market, that apple is creating because now they race is to produce phone headphones that are hyped or actually can deliver quality audio to consumers at a rate more frequent than the delivery of a new phone. Neither bad or good, but a change to the market for headphones.

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  16. Re:But Apple has made life better for you by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you care about audio quality you use a USB DAC+Headphone amp, and a real pair of wired headphones.

    If you care about convenience, there were plenty of BT headphones before, this just removes the option for people who find wires more convenient than fiddling with headphone batteries.

    Speaking of DACs, can anyone recommend a good USB => line level DAC, instead of a headphone amp? I want something to hook speakers to rather than headphones, and paying for a headphone amp just to get the DAC seems wasteful.

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  17. I don't care .... by sithlord2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I never used the headphone jack on my phone. While I go running, I use a BT headset and my car also has BT connectivity.

    Besides, an adapter is included. It's not that big of a drama.

    The biggest complainers fall in the category of either:
    - "I will never buy an iPhone, but now it lost the headphone jack, I will certainly NEVER going to buy one!!", raging fists included.
    - People who consider everyone who buys this as "dumb" or "sheeple". However, the missing audio-jack is not a deal-breaker for most current iPhone users. There are lots of other interesting upgrades that makes current iphone users consider upgrading.
    - People who, for some reason, are offended that other people buy products that they personally don't like.


    The only users who have real reasons to complain, are the ones who use both the audio-jack and the lightbolt adapter at the same time (like when your car doesn't have BT yet, and use the aux-in option). But that's like 1 or 2 percent of the current iPhone users.


    Oh, and I'm not an Apple "fanboy" btw, so spare me the insults

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  18. Huh? by Fuzi719 · · Score: 2

    "More likely is that the lack of a headphone jack on the iPhone -- and increasingly, on Android phones as well..." OK, what Android phones DON'T have an audio jack? Maybe some obscure brand/model nobody has ever heard of, but on every Android phone I see being sold by T-Mobile, AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, and everybody else, there is an audio jack. So why the "and increasingly, on Android phones as well"? As to BT headphones, I've yet to find one I'd use. I've bought many of them, from expensive Bose, Beats, Sennheiser, on down. Every one of them has the same problem: dropouts. Annoying frequent audio dropouts unless I hold my phone right up next to them, which defeats the purpose. And this is with several models of phones from various manufacturers. BT works great for car audio system, but for headphones, a big NOPE. Give me a good wired model.

  19. They should have waited by ilsaloving · · Score: 3, Insightful

    IMO Apple should have waited one more iteration, because Bluetooth 5 is just around the corner and will have HD audio as part of the spec and there would be less issues, better compatibility with other device.... Wait, nevermind. I see what they did there.

  20. Re:But Apple has made life better for you by lgw · · Score: 2

    A dongle is not a port.

    You don't need to remove a port to offer lightning headphones.

    Next you'll be arguing 1-button mice are better.

    There's really no upside to remove the port, is the sad thing. There are thinner phones with headphone jacks. There's always dead space to fit the port, so you're not getting battery life. Waterproof headphone jacks are old hat. This is just Apple being either malicious or stupid.

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