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Amazon Will Open 100 Retail Stores (businessinsider.com)

An anonymous Slashdot reader writes: Amazon plans to open "as many as 100" retail stores in shopping malls by the end of next year, according to Business Insider. The 300- to 500-square-foot stores will sell familiar Amazon hardware products like Kindles and Fire TV, "but the broader goal is to drive more traffic to Amazon's online store, as these devices make it easier to purchase items there" -- and to promote Amazon's Echo personal assistant.

Amazon stores have already quietly opened in 12 states, including six stores in California and more stores in New York, Texas, Virginia, and Massachusetts. But now the brick-and-mortar stores "have emerged from the test phase with a goal to expand and grow," according to one Amazon job posting, and Business Insider reports that new Amazon stores "are popping up almost every week in shopping malls across the country."

The article has pictures of the new Amazon stores, and points out that the company also experienced disappointing results from an earlier experiment with Amazon trucks.

167 comments

  1. Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Best Buy is already the place you go to before you buy it cheaper on Amazon. This will kill nearby ones.

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    1. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Desler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This just in: Retail stores like Best Buy do this thing called "price matching". Film at 11!

    2. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by AuMatar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sometimes. And then I have to find a salesman, show them the price, argue them into it (as they try to claim they only price match brick and mortar), and deal with their hard sales and trying to talk me into buying a warranty. I'd rather just buy it on Amazon and not deal with their salesmen. Unless I absolutely want it today I'm not even going to ask them to match.

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    3. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Desler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sometimes.

      Nope, all the time. I've never once had a price match not accepted from online stores like Amazon, Newegg, etc. by Best Buy, Frys, etc.

      And then I have to find a salesman, show them the price, argue them into it (as they try to claim they only price match brick and mortar), and deal with their hard sales and trying to talk me into buying a warranty. I'd rather just buy it on Amazon and not deal with their salesmen. Unless I absolutely want it today I'm not even going to ask them to match.

      Nope, you simply walk up to the cashier, show them the price on Amazon and they price match. Every time I've done it it takes less than a minute at Best Buy. And I've done this at multiple locations.

    4. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by AuMatar · · Score: 0

      Yeah, just don't care. Buying on Amazon is still simpler, just doing that.

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    5. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Any book on demand printing :)

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    6. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Talking to another human being for 5 minutes is such an onerous task that you'd rather wait two days for something to show up in the mail?

      I go to Best Buy (or even Walmart) *after* I look on Amazon, because they'll price match and because if I buy from them I won't have to wait for days before I can play with my new toys. Granted there is tax, but I just consider it a fee for super-expedited shipping.

    7. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by amxcoder · · Score: 5, Informative

      This only works with items that don't have retailer specific model numbers... (I'm looking at you TV's!!). The common ploy for a long time with the big retail chains is to make deals with the manufacturers to basically sell them the items under custom model #'s that are specific to their store. So you'll see the same exact TV at BestBuy will be a XYZ-65-01, and at WalMart it will be a XYZ-65-02, and at Amazon.com it will be an XYZ-65-03. Therefore, even though it's the same device, the model numbers don't match exactly, giving the retailer an excuse to not price match. This has been a standard ploy for a very long time, going all the way back to when GoodGuys and Circuit City were still in business. Not all electronics manufacturers participate in this practice, for instance a Sony PS4 is a Sony PS4 everywhere, but my point is, it doesn't always work.

    8. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best Buy killed themselves. After having shit customer service about 10 years ago I haven't been back and I used to live in that store.

      That aside, I think this idea by Amazon is fucking stupid.

    9. Re: Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      Depends on the item I'm purchasing, but yes. Especially when we're talking about best buy employees. Never has a good experience there.

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    10. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      still nice for getting same day at same prices and not worrying about delivery details if you live at inconvenient places for delivery.

    11. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Same reason I get my oil changes at walmart. Pay a little more but don't have to deal with some twat telling you that you need extra work that you don't actually need. The worst walmart does is try to sell you an air filter or some kind of engine cleaning fluid when you don't need either, but saying no once is enough.

    12. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by David_Hart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sometimes. And then I have to find a salesman, show them the price, argue them into it (as they try to claim they only price match brick and mortar), and deal with their hard sales and trying to talk me into buying a warranty. I'd rather just buy it on Amazon and not deal with their salesmen. Unless I absolutely want it today I'm not even going to ask them to match.

      In regards to Best Buy, I've had no problem price matching to major online stores (i.e. Amazon, Newegg, etc.) and I've had no problems with someone trying to talk me into a warranty (They ask at the register if I want the warranty, I say No, they complete my transaction). Of course, when I buy from Best Buy, I usually buy it online from BestBuy.com for pickup and then just go and pick it up. Why spend time in the store "browsing" if you don't have to?

      The one reason why I still buy some electronics from the Best Buy retail store is for returns. It's a lot easier to return a 65" TV or an A/V AMP to a retail outlet than it is to ship it back to Amazon, etc. Yes, the online outlets have services that do pickup/delivery but I prefer to deal with retail outlet for these items.

    13. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Talking to another human being for 5 minutes is such an onerous task that you'd rather wait two days for something to show up in the mail?

      You left out a bit there. Compare:

      • Drive ten or fifteen minutes to the store.
      • Find the product you want.
      • Check Amazon reviews to make sure it isn't crap using your cell phone clumsily while standing in the relative discomfort of a busy store.
      • Notice that it is cheaper on Amazon.
      • Spend 5 minutes talking to a salesperson.
      • Spend ten or fifteen minutes driving back.

      Versus:

      • Find the product you want from the comfort of your home.
      • Check the Amazon reviews using your laptop in the comfort of your home.
      • Verify that it is cheaper at Amazon than local stores using Google.
      • Decide whether to bother driving for half an hour, spend five minutes haggling, and still lose 2-4% in credit card rewards just to get it two days sooner.
      • Say, "Screw it," and place the order online.
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    14. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by chuckugly · · Score: 1

      Actually in this locale (and probably the markets where they're opening stores) they usually deliver either the same day or the next day for most items I want.

    15. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why? You have to wait for your product and third Party sellers have destroyed Amazon with outrageously inflated prices. Why not just walk into your local store and get your item NOW and pay LESS.

      These stores have lost why people shopped online; for cheaper prices, which isn't true anymore. It's usually cheaper locally now.

    16. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      I thought Amazon was the anti-dote to high street retail, looks like we are going full circle

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    17. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know how it works in the US but where I live plenty of stores have a homepage.
      Last time I bought a TV I ordered it from their homepage (and paid the web price.) and then went there to pick it up.
      The TV was put aside behind the checkout so that I didn't have to go into the store and find it.

      The whole price-matching thing is just BS BTW. The only reason they can do it is because they overcharge to begin with and they know it.
      I'd rather find a store that doesn't have screwing over their regular customers as a business model.

    18. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      ...and then you pay UPS/Fedex $50 for delivery after saving $5 on the price?

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    19. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Charging a price someone is willing to pay is not "screwing over their regular customers". I suppose if there was no other option for said customer, it might be screwing them, but that's hardly the case.

    20. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and then you pay UPS/Fedex $50 for delivery after saving $5 on the price?

      Maybe YOU do. I get free shipping almost all the time.

    21. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by nnull · · Score: 1

      Most often Best Buy doesn't even have what I want anyways, so what's the point? A lot of their stores are now empty husks of what they used to be. And then you go to their online store, find what you want, but realize it's not in the Best Buy store, but from another store, so you won't see it in two days anyways.

      So Amazon it is.

    22. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Seriously? Do you live in the middle of nowhere? Amazon here gives free delivery on every purchase over about £20 (maybe £25?). Delivery on cheaper things is typically about £1. I've never had to pay anything like that for Amazon delivery, even when ordering from Amazon France for delivery to the UK. I don't think I've ever paid close to $75 for delivery of anything I've ever bought online from anywhere.

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    23. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Gilgaron · · Score: 2

      Good to know! They didn't used to do it this way but I stopped dropping by there back when they wouldn't match so I'd no idea. The last thing we got there was a "buy online, pick up in store" deal which was surprisingly terrible: they couldn't find the item, and then found the last one out on the rack, having been opened and returned. So they discounted it, but I was still there far longer than I'd have expected.

    24. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, not all the time. I've had Best Buy refuse to price match their own website - told me if I wanted that price then order it online.

    25. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Of course there is the whole, shop online, wait for delivery to the store and pick up at your convenience, it's called the click and mortar option. Why have a shop at the pick up location, spur of the moment purchases and why order online and pick up at store, problematic delivery drivers and neighbourhood thieves and you can actually check the item at the store prior to accepting it. Also if the package remains within the Amazon transport system, it can all travel in readily reusable plastic crates and they remove it from the crate and give you the item sans extra over packaging, a substantive saving especially with cheaper items.

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    26. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it's fun playing Russian roulette with counterfeit products on Amazon!

    27. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      It's only $75 delivery fee if the electronic gadget comes with a giant cement block attached to it.

      As a general rule, I ignore products that have superfluous cement blocks attached.

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    28. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      It's $49 before free shipping on Amazon in the US. Used to be $25- then bumped to $35. I do find myself buying less and less from Amazon every time they bump up their cut-off barrier for free shipping.

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    29. Re: Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Funny, your estimate just went up by twenty-five bucks. So which is it?

    30. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      I went into a Best Buy for the first time in about a year a few weeks ago. I was amazed. Not-exaggerating, over 25% of the store was devoted to Samsung Phones, Another 30% devoted to various other phones. I was dumbfounded that they've been reduced to just a cell-phone store with a few other items here and there.

      It's the same kind of feeling I get when I walk into sports/athletics stores and realize that they don't actually sell much sports equipment anymore, they're all just clothing stores now.

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    31. Re: Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Type44Q · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The worst walmart does is try to sell you an air filter or some kind of engine cleaning fluid when you don't need either,

      Incorrect. The worst they will do is hire someone who either fails to make sure your oil drain plug is screwed-in all the way or else strips the threads.

    32. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never done it myself, but I've been held up in line several times in a checkout line as a customer/cashier argue about it, eventually call in a manager, and about half the time they grant it and half the time they don't. I have never seen a case where it was a quick and easy process, I'm sure they happen, but it is probably the exception rather than the rule.

    33. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm assuming this guy either works at bestbuy, is frat buddies with the guys at best buy, or postures with the employees using his fratboy dominance techniques to get them to acquiesce. Best Buy employees love being dominated.

    34. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by kimvette · · Score: 1

      in which case you inform them "OK then I'll buy the same unit as model XYZ-65-99 from $vendor instead. Thank you for your time."

      After they hear that enough times and units sold drops they will either listen or fold.

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    35. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by rossdee · · Score: 1

      "Drive ten or fifteen minutes to the store"

      I live in a small city, the nearest decent size mall is over an hours drive away.

      and its about 3 hours to the MOA

    36. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by rossdee · · Score: 2

      Prime

      Its worth it if you are a regular Amazon customer

    37. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      giving the retailer an excuse to not price match

      You make it sound like somehow they "win" or victimize you, by telling a would-be-paying customer to go fuck themselves.

      Price-matching isn't a favor they do you; it's something they do for themselves. Or don't, whichever the case may be.

      Model number shenanigans are just a way to avoid free market competition, and it's a well-recognized way of saying "don't buy."

      (Funny that we're talking about it here in the Amazon device context, since the whole point of devices these stores are intended to sell, is to lock users into weird services just like Apple's crap. That doesn't go unrecognized either, which is why I don't buy these companies' garbage. If you're afraid of competition, then I'm afraid of buying your shit. I don't even have to shop around, because you're telling me that your product is inferior value! Do companies like Amazon and Apple not realize they're basically screaming this at the top of their lungs?)

    38. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Best Buy is already the place you go to before you buy it cheaper on Amazon. This will kill nearby ones.

      Hooray! Best buy is shit in literally every way. I can enumerate the ways if you like, but a wildcard should be sufficient.

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    39. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by MooseTick · · Score: 2

      "After they hear that enough times and units sold drops they will either listen or fold."

      That sounds good in theory, but the "sales" people you tell that to have no decision making ability to make such changes.

    40. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by quetwo · · Score: 1

      This actually started with Wallmart. When Wallmart started carrying electronics, they were demanding to be cheaper than their competitors. They used their strength as a retailer to force the vendors to make custom versions of their products to accomplish this. On printers, they would ship without ink, for computers they would have 30 or 60 day warranty instead of 1 or 2 years. For TVs, they may have had certain featured disabled (for example, DVI ports were there, but you couldn't tune to them).

      MOST electronics stores carried the same SKU at the time, and Wallmart/Sams Club had their own. Then other retailers started demanding custom packages -- so they got their own SKUs too. It's not that bad, but you will typically see 3 or 4 different SKUs... a discount retailer (Wallmart), a big box retailer (BBY/Micro Center), and online retailer (Amazon) and sometimes a SKU for premium retailers.

    41. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      In case you haven't noticed, Apple is the most profitable company on the planet, so their user-hostile policies must be working. It helps to have a large cult of users happy to buy your crap no matter how badly you treat them (like with expensive proprietary connectors making it impossible for them to borrow their friends' cables to recharge their phones).

    42. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      For some of us, it's worse. I have a Walmart about 5 minutes away, but for anything else it's more like a 40-minute drive.

      It's a HUGE time savings for me to just order on Amazon or another online seller (these days, Amazon's prices aren't always the best so I make sure to look around), and then wait for it to arrive by USPS/FedEx.

      It wouldn't be much better if I moved closer to town either; the traffic in the city is so bad that you're still looking at at least an hour just to go buy something even if you live nearby. I can spend that hour reading reviews and making sure I'm getting something that isn't crap, and comparing prices with other vendors. With some things, it's really worth it to check it out in person (such as shoes), but for many other things it just isn't worth the time, even if you can get the same price. Amazon charges sales tax these days so there's no savings there any more unfortunately.

    43. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahhh good 'ol Circuit $hitty. (previously known as Ward's Loading Dock). Yep I used to answer technical & installation questions at their call center Answer $hitty. Good times, good times.

    44. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but the "sales" people you tell that to have no decision making ability to make such changes.

      Perhaps, but I'm sure they do have the ability to get their manager, and that person to get their manager, and so on, until you either reach a manager who can decide such things, or you're reached the top store-level manager who inexplicably doesn't have that power.

    45. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      You forgot, verify that you are buying from a reputable Amazon vendor and still get a counterfeit item since they pooled your vendor of choice's stock with the grifter vendor stock.

    46. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You left out a bit there.

      As did you, specifically the part about "I go to Best Buy (or even Walmart) *after* I look on Amazon". So let us take that into consideration, shall we?

      Identical steps:
      -Find the product you want from the comfort of your home.
      -Check the Amazon reviews using your laptop in the comfort of your home.
      -Verify that it is cheaper at Amazon than local stores using Google.

      Now here is where they differ.

      Option 1:
      -Drive ten or fifteen minutes to the store.
      -Spend 5 minutes talking to a salesperson.
      -Spend ten or fifteen minutes driving back.

      Option 2:
      -Decide whether to bother driving for half an hour, spend five minutes haggling, and still lose 2-4% in credit card rewards just to get it two days sooner.
      -Say, "Screw it," and place the order online.
      -Wait 2 days.
      -Get home from work and find that the deliverer left a note instead of your package because no one was home.
      -Skip work the next day.
      -Step outside in the evening to find a second note because they did not actually knock.
      -Skip work a second day.
      -Intend to wait outside the entire day, but must use the restroom.
      -Find that the deliverer came buy while you were using the restroom.
      -Frantically search for their distribution center because now you need to go pick it up from them.
      -Find that their distribution center is closed for the day, and that their hours require you to skip work again.
      -Skip work for a third day.
      -Drive an hour away.
      -Wait several hours in line.
      -Drive an hour home.

      (Ok, yes, the majority of option 2 is probably exaggerated. But it amused me to write it.)

    47. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      It helps to have a large cult of users happy to buy your crap no matter how badly you treat them

      This is a well known phenomenon. It's known as cognitive dissonance (as in: I must be suffering this pain for a reason, so it must be good).

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    48. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must not be that bright if you are paying all these shipping fees....

    49. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      I bought a TV on Amazon once that was a couple hundred $ in freight shipping (too large for standard parcel shippers).

      The TV was not sold in any local stores. I didn't have a car at the time anyway so my options were pretty limited.

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    50. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      Increasingly, you can get Prime Now if you want it the same day. Or if you can wait two business days, you can get it through Prime. Or you can get it with free shipping if there's no rush. Most importantly, this allows you to avoid the unpleasantness of having to walk into BBY

    51. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by tripleevenfall · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nothing I love more than escalating an argument through three managers. Sounds awesome.

      And all for the privilege of lugging home on my own what I could have gotten delivered to my door.

    52. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Why spend time in the store "browsing" if you don't have to?
      Often, taking a little time to 'try stuff out', size up it's construction, experience its size, etc, (especially for TVs), is super helpful to do in person. Then walk out, order online, etc. Unless you are very far from a store this is a helpful exercise.

    53. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

      Canada Prime customers pay $80, and all you get is free shipping, photo storage, and lightning deals (no free shipping from the states)

    54. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, but your option 2 is just completely unrealistic. Except in extreme cases, you can sign to authorize delivery without someone at home. Your option 2 should be:

      -Decide whether to bother driving for half an hour, spend five minutes haggling, and still lose 2-4% in credit card rewards just to get it two days sooner.
      -Say, "Screw it," and place the order online.
      -Wait 2 days.
      -Get home from work and find that the deliverer left a note instead of your package because no one was home.
      -Sign the note authorizing delivery and put it on the back door.
      -Get home from work and find another note on the front door and the original one untouched.
      -Sign the second note and put it on the front door.
      -Get home from work to find the note on the back door still there but no note on the front door and no package. Tracking info indicates that a delivery attempt was made.
      -See that the note on the front door fell off, tape it back up.
      -Call customer service, waiting on hold for half an hour first. Request the package to be left by the back door the next day.
      -Get home from work and find a third note on the garage.
      -Call customer service again, waiting on hold for an hour before being told to try calling back tomorrow.
      -Sign the third note and hang a big sign that says "Just leave the damn package like I told you to do every freaking day this week!"
      -Get home from work and find the third note on the ground, the other two untouched, no package, and no additional notes. Tracking info indicates that a delivery attempt was made.
      -Call customer service, waiting on hold for 45 minutes and getting through to a human this time. Request to leave the package is noted in the record and the package should have been left by the back door. The request is noted a second time, followed by the words "or else."
      -Tweet angrily about the experience using the shipping company's Twitter handle.
      -Receive a polite DM the next morning from the shipping company asking for the tracking info.
      -Find out that the package is currently out for delivery but they will contact the driver to make sure that the driver actually goes to your house and delivers the package instead of smoking weed down by the river all day.
      -Get home from work and find all three signed notes gone, your sign face down on the ground, and the package left by the back door with "leave by back door" written on it multiple times.

    55. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by TigerPlish · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's fun playing Russian roulette with counterfeit products on Amazon!

      Select Amazon as the seller, not a 3rd party. Chances of getting a fake with Amazon as a seller is much less than a 3rd party.

      Not willing to put in the effort to do that? Then you deserve your Soppy Walkingman.

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    56. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Maybe, but most of it seems to be marketing and branding, plus riding on past successes. Make your product look fancy, price it high, and people perceive it to have high value. Add in some successful history (when the iPhone came out in 2006, it really was a huge improvement over the competition, but Android phones quickly became serious competitors), and don't screw up too bad and people will keep buying your crap like lemmings.

      Apple isn't the only one. BMW is pretty similar, with overpriced cars with outrageous repair costs. There's a bunch of high-end brands for women's fashion stuff, such as Coach handbags, Gucci, etc. And of course there's Microsoft, that can't seem to do anything to get their enterprise customers to leave them.

    57. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      That sounds good in theory, but the "sales" people you tell that to have no decision making ability to make such changes.

      And they usually don't care one way or another if an item is sold.

    58. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SELECTION. Is why to shop Amazon vers local shops.

    59. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I expect the reason we don't pay anything close to that for delivery is because England fits into Texas 5 times over.

      Of course, we do pay 20% extra on pretty much everything as an island nation, so actually you HAVE paid for the delivery...

    60. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      People don't play sports, we do crossfit and then catch the game on TV.

    61. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by blindseer · · Score: 1

      I'll do my own comparison.

      Amazon:
      Search for item on website on a Sunday. Place order. Item appears on doorstep Monday or Tuesday while I'm at work.

      Best Buy:
      Search for item on website on a Sunday. Place order. Decide if I want it that day, which means a special trip driving to the store for in store pick-up. Decide if I want it Monday, which means a short detour on my way home from work for in-store pickup. Decide if I can wait until Tuesday and not have to drive to Best Buy and have it delivered to my door while I'm out.

      I believe you made the Best Buy shopping experience intentionally more difficult by starting off with having to go to the store. Just about everything they sell is on their web site. What is better is that they list things on the web site that they carry but might not be in the store nearest you.

      I'm not defending Best Buy exactly, just brick and mortar stores generally. I really don't like Best Buy but around here they have a near monopoly. It's either Best Buy, a handful of mom-n-pop shops, or an hour long drive to the next county for the next big box store. When I shop I'll check Best Buy, Amazon, and a few other online stores I trust. If it's something I want right away I know I can check the websites of the brick and mortar stores around here and see if something is in stock. For example, there are two or three Target stores near me and if I want something I think they might sell I can go to their web site and see if they offer the product, at what price, and if it is in stock near me for pickup. I did just that not too long ago, ended up it wasn't in stock near me so I had it sent by post. I recall that since my order met some minimum price I paid nothing for shipping. If it was in stock then I would have gone there, got what I wanted, and while I was there I would have picked up some groceries too.

      One thing I hate to do is buy clothes online. I have to see it and try it on before I buy. So when I needed a new pair of shoes I went to a couple stores to try them on. I found a pair I liked but not in the right color. No problem, they just asked for my address at checkout and mailed them to me for no additional charge. If for some reason the shoes or clothes didn't fit when I was able to try them on at home I have the option to take it directly to the store, get my refund or exchange handled immediately, and be done with it. That's what a brick and mortar store with good customer service can do that Amazon cannot right now.

      I have not had to return items to Amazon yet but my brother loves shopping with Amazon. If they had a brick and mortar store where I could see their items in real life, not have to worry about mailing things back for exchange, and other conveniences of a brick and mortar store then I'd likely buy more stuff from them.

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    62. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by blindseer · · Score: 1

      In some cases it's worth it even if you are not a regular Amazon customer. I found out that Amazon offers free Prime membership to college students. That came in handy for finding books for most classes and a couple movies for a literature class.

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    63. Re: Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      I've been having my oil changed at walmart for years and have yet to ever have anything like that happen. Besides, since when does anybody who changes your oil not work for minimum wage?

    64. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Odd. My FedEx distribution center is open until 8 P.M., and my UPS distribution center only hold-for-pickup handling once a day, at IIRC 11 P.M. (yes, P.M.), so neither should involve missing work unless you work a very strange shift.

      Also, after the first notice, you can request redelivery within the same geographic region, so you can have them deliver it to your workplace instead of your home.

      So yes, that's pretty badly exaggerated. :-)

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    65. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Yeah, then why does Best Buy not display the publicly available prices on their price matching terminals? I haven't bought from them in a long time, but the last time I did, they wouldn't match their own web site. They had a price-matching terminal, and would only match what you could find on there, and it was filtered, and the bestbuy.com displayed on it wasn't the public one. I pulled the site from my phone and showed them. They price matched their own web site then. I heard they got sued for that one, that was about the time I stopped going for good. There's nothing I need badly enough to go there. mail-order is good enough, and other places have cables and such for cheaper, if I need something that day.

      The store wouldn't take printed web sites. "It could be edited, we have to pull it up on our own computers and view it ourselves". They wouldn't match at the register, but you had to go to the customer service counter, and get a manger to write out a special price adjustemnt, and they were the ones that would argue to try to convince you to not price match.

      And in most cases, you can't price match because they only match on the same part number, and Best Buy pays LG extra money so the washer is part 1000001BestBuy for them, and 1000001US for the rest of the US. So nobody else sells the same "part number" despite them usually being 100% identical.

      They actively discourage price matching as much as possible.

    66. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I've never spent less than 30 minutes in the store for that option. More often than not, they don't have it set aside in the holding room, but have to go to stock and get it. Usually, the person helping isn't allowed to leave their post, so they have to call for someone, wait for someone to come, pass off the information on the item being saught, then wait for that person to come back with it. Between the initial fruitless search, and the retrieval from the shelves, the wait time is pretty bad for click and collect. I much prefer shipping. Saves me lots of time, and never more expensive than the store.

    67. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      On the first miss, you call them and arrange a new delivery address (at work) or tell them to hold it so you can pick it up. The FedEx depot near me is open 8-7, so you have 11 hours in your day to get it. Before or after work, or over lunch, if you work long or odd hours. And the line at FedEx is shorter than the line in the store, if you were to buy locally. So still a time saver.

      And even "signature required" generally allow you to sign the "sorry we missed you" note and they'll leave it the next day without you ever being home.

      Your Option 2 sounds like you've never received a package in your life.

    68. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by kimvette · · Score: 1

      But.. I've had friends who have worked at Worst Buy, as has my brother, and they all have told me that they hold regular meetings (often all-hands-on at 5:00am or 6:00am o.O - they're as bad as Sprawl*Mart reputedly is) and although they're not on commission the departments do have sales quotas. Presumably details such as feedback from customers is shared at such meetings and is(??? or should be!) shared higher up the food chain when they identify that #itemIdenticalToAmazonItemExceptForSKU) sales numbers are down, and maybe they should consider matching the price?

      The folks on the floor represent the face of the company - if they are not communicating feedback, complaints, etc. back to corporate they need to be fired (from a cannon, into the Sun) or the process needs to be fixed. Worst Buy has suffered in recent years and the refusal to match Amazon, Newegg, etc. may be part of the reason why. Their refusal to respond can result in their implosion.

      I try to shop brick & mortar but am continually disappointed by the lack of selection, or brick & mortar stores' refusal to stock anything but the stripped-down or low-to-lower-midrange items in product lines. I bought my Ninja blender online because brick and mortars don't stock the SKU I wanted (since accessories are hard to find I wanted the most complete sku - oh and Ninja > Blendtec in quality btw, which surprised me), and I bought precision screwdrivers off Amazon because Sears doesn't offer any decent sets any more, nor do any of the other tool/hardware store chains, and I bought my Klipsch Reference-series speakers online from an authorised dealer through amazon because local stores (including mom & pop and Worst Buy's "Mangolia) don't stock anything higher end than the crappy Synergy line. I'm doing the same with Sennheiser headphones, since Worst Buy stocks only the bottom-end models. Same with the RoG Swift monitor - I bought my first through Amazon since Best Buy doesn't stock it (they'll happily "ship to store" but f*** that), and will be buying the second and third through Amazon as well. Same thing with printers- Worst Buy, Staples, etc. all happily shove the crappy inkjet and low-end laser printers, but a good workgroup printer is unobtainable through them. So, I ordered a Samsung workgroup printer ~5 years ago and had it shipped to my door.... no having to even borrow or rent a truck to get it home!

      I want to shop brick & mortar... but their unwillingness to adapt is forcing me to do most of my shopping through their worst enemy.

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    69. Re: Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My experience is that the BestBuy employees will look the price up for themselves and, when they verify the lower price, cheerfully give the lower price. Interestingly, the BestBuy web site will frequently have lower price than the store.

      Of course, your grumpy employees may be a product of your area. I live in a relatively happy area.

    70. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      At least back when Jobs was in charge, Apple kept expanding its market by introducing new neat things. A cult of users can be useful to maintain a market, but it's not going to expand it. It's also hard to maintain a decent cult by mistreating the members, and Apple provides benefits in compatibility and ease of use that counterbalance problems that tend to matter mostly to techies.

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    71. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Huh? Apple doesn't give two shits about compatibility; they constantly do their own proprietary thing, like the Lightning connector. They seem to do just fine by mistreating their cult members, because those people are happy for it and rationalize it to themselves somehow. Maybe it'll eventually become a problem and their market will stop growing, but their profitability seems to be great so far.

    72. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There's a way of looking at things I decided on long ago: when a person does something you think dumb or wrong, assume that there's reasons and try to figure out what they are. (They will often turn out not to be good reasons.) You'll figure out a lot of interesting things that way.

      Instead, you see Apple customers doing things you wouldn't do, and rather than ask yourself why they do these things.you just attribute it to some vague Apple cult, whose members rationalize things you don't like. You'll understand more if you at least try to figure out why Apple is successful rather than attributing it to magic, just like scientists figure out more by trying to find out how things happen rather than just attributing things to God.

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    73. Re:Biggest effect will be on nearby Best Buys by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Why they're successful really isn't that hard to understand. Most of it comes down to marketing, along with their particular aesthetics, inertia/reputation, and people simply preferring the walled-garden experience where they're limited to whatever Apple tells them to do and want. For that last one, it's easy to understand: most people are followers, and like to be told what to do, especially if the person in authority seems to know what they're doing. Unlike Microsoft, for instance, with their absolutely horrid design and clunky and problematic software (how long did your last Windows 10 update take, and did it force itself on you at an inconvenient time?), Apple actually makes generally decent design decisions. if you don't mind have little freedom with their devices.

      As for "some vague Apple cult", you do realize cults actually exist, don't you? You should take your own advice: "when a person does something you think dumb or wrong, assume that there's reasons and try to figure out what they are." So, following your advice, why exactly would someone join a cult like the Branch Davidians or the Jim Jones Kool-Aid Kult? There's real and underlying psychological reasons why this happens. And it's not just statistically insignificant numbers of people; look at Nazi Germany. As I said before, most people are followers, like to be told what to do, want to be part of something bigger than themselves. These same psychological flaws are exploited by marketers all the time, to get people to "feel good" about buying from some brand for emotional rather than logical reasons.

      And it's not like any decision to buy Apple at any time is or was a bad decision. The first iPhone was a huge improvement over the then-current clunky WinCE phones and business-only Blackberrys. The early iPods had some great qualities (that scroll wheel was very easy to use) (the file system OTOH, was terrible, with its forced renaming of all files). But these days, in 2016, given the competition that exists for iPhones in particular, it simply isn't a good purchasing decision to buy one; there's many phones that are a much better value.

  2. Just as I predicted. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I told you the internet was a fad.

  3. Infowars stores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm still waiting for Infowars to open some stores.

    The Trump Bible and all the materials to decorate your personal home altar of worship to Trump should be essential. Just remember to keep it clean in case the overlord or his minions stop by for a visit.

    1. Re:Infowars stores by Desler · · Score: 0

      Did Alex Jones autograph your spooge mop?

    2. Re:Infowars stores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your random, immaterial Trump-bashing doesn't change the fact that your candidate is a decrepit shell of a bitter, corrupt old hag who's two months away from blowing what should've been the easiest election in history, assuming she even lives that long.

    3. Re:Infowars stores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The photo of Trump in the cubicle needs dusting. Be useful.

    4. Re:Infowars stores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did Gary Johnson get a sex change?? I wasn't aware he had health issues, either.

  4. A Pop-up store isn't a real store by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    C'mon, that's not even news. Here today, gone tomorrow, zero commitment to the local economy.

    Those are like the "stores" that Comcast and Verizon open on sidewalks outside university campuses, trying to pitch students to sign up for cable or DSL contracts.

  5. Everyone, all together now~ by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    It's the Ciiircle of Liiiiiiiiiiiiiiife
    And it mooooooves us aaaaaallllll...

  6. Bad Idea, Really Bad Idea by WindowsStar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Anyone Remember CompuAdd?? or Gateway??, not many do, but after being giants in computer sales on line they opened retail stores and it crippled them and cost them going out of business. Amazon needs to be extremely careful, what is that quote, "those who don't remember the past are doomed to repeat it".

    1. Re:Bad Idea, Really Bad Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was thinking the same thing. /. should run a poll: When is the last time you went to a mall? 6yrs for me and then it was only to pick up something I ordered online and the only way to get to it was crossing the mall since the side entrance for that store was being remodeled.

    2. Re:Bad Idea, Really Bad Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ITT: People who haven't bought new clothes in half a decade.

    3. Re:Bad Idea, Really Bad Idea by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Informative

      I buy my clothes online. Places like LL Bean have no hassle, free returns; clothes that last; and once you know the sizing you can pretty much depend on it. I've even been buying shoes, socks, and boxers on the web.

      Shopping online is much more pleasant than going to the mall. I might still go if I needed a suit... But I work in IT, and didn't even wear a suit to my last few job interviews.

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    4. Re:Bad Idea, Really Bad Idea by InkDancer · · Score: 2

      One thing to note, LL Bean has had a similar business model for a very long time. My parents used to write down an order on a piece of paper pulled out of a catalog, send it away, wait a while and get clothes back. Returns were hassle-free. They are forward thinking so they've switched to ordering from the internet, but effectively the same process.

    5. Re:Bad Idea, Really Bad Idea by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2

      Anyone Remember CompuAdd?? or Gateway??, not many do, but after being giants in computer sales on line they opened retail stores and it crippled them and cost them going out of business. Amazon needs to be extremely careful, what is that quote, "those who don't remember the past are doomed to repeat it".

      Anyone Remember CompuAdd?? or Gateway??, not many do, but after being giants in computer sales on line they opened retail stores and it crippled them and cost them going out of business. Amazon needs to be extremely careful, what is that quote, "those who don't remember the past are doomed to repeat it".

      Gateway had a number of problems when it went into retail. First and foremost the were a low coat seller and retail stores added costs at a time when prices were starting to drop. They spent a lot of money making stores look like farms complete with silos but you couldn't actually buy and walk out with it. You had to wait for it to be shipped. In addition, they were selling a product that was no different from what you could het right seay at other stores nor did they offer anything uniguevso beyond the novelty there was no compelling reason to return after you went once to see what the noise was about. Amazon so far has used small popups limited to Amazon branded products so the cost is low and Can use them to drive sales of ebooks etc. it will be interesting to see how tey do.

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    6. Re:Bad Idea, Really Bad Idea by ranton · · Score: 1

      Anyone Remember CompuAdd?? or Gateway??, not many do, but after being giants in computer sales on line they opened retail stores and it crippled them and cost them going out of business. Amazon needs to be extremely careful, what is that quote, "those who don't remember the past are doomed to repeat it".

      This has nothing to do with making money selling Amazon devices. They likely lose some money on each device even before paying for a storefront. This is about selling devices which make it more likely those customers buy more products on Amazon. It is a completely different business model than Gateway stores, or even Apple / Microsoft stores.

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    7. Re:Bad Idea, Really Bad Idea by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Highlight is 500SF stores. They are basically going to destroy any mall they move into, as they reinforce their brand and the only things they actually sell are their own branded products (used to push you into more online sales). Say you were looking at buying a watch, found one you liked, but remember that reinforcement of Amazon as you entered the mall, so you check the price on Amazon. That simple action has likely compromised the retailer's margin, if they keep any chance at the sale at all. (Women's) Clothes might be an exception, but pretty much everything else is up for grabs.

      For Amazon, it is likely less than $3.5MM/year in rent plus ~$20MM/year in direct and indirect wages.

      Much lower cost/risk than their own "airline" they have started, but likely similar benefits.

    8. Re:Bad Idea, Really Bad Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They still have to be careful. If this is a "customer acquisition" cost then it can get out of hand. They have to make it up from later purchases but several things can happen:

      1) The new customer buy a few things but not enough to offset the costs to acquire them.

      2) The customer may buy a device from the physical store but was not a "new" customer

      3) They run out of "new" customers to acquire. At this point all costs of running the physical stores are a drain.

      I really don't get the strategy unless Amazon is trying to be Apple: selling consumer electronics that can't be easily demonstrated online. I think this is a very bad strategy. It seems like the main selling point for Amazon branded electronics is that online people assume they are "an iPad" or "an Apple TV" etc. and they are not. Letting people try them out seems like a bad idea.

    9. Re:Bad Idea, Really Bad Idea by hey! · · Score: 1

      This is a simple-in-principle but hard-in-practice optimization problem. It runs like this: you have X investment dollars to divide between (A) on-line and (B) physical store selling; what is the optimal mix of A and B?

      If you can run exactly one of these operations at a profit, the answer is simple. But if you can run *both* of them at a (not necessarily equal) profit, you run into the principle of diminishing returns. You may reach a point where further marginal investment in A pays less than a marginal investment in B would. This is further complicated by the fact that A and B compete with each other.

      But the fact that other people tried mixing sales models and got burned proves nothing fundamental, only that they got the mix wrong. This happens with one-channel businesses too: they overextend and then suffer painful contractions. Twenty years ago the land was dotted briefly with Boston Markets. Now they are a rarity. That's because there's a segment of consumers that loves them their rotisserie chicken; it's an easy sell to them and you can grow your business, but you'd better not think you can turn the chicken business into Dunkin' Donuts (which despite its name isn't in the doughnut business; they're caffeine pushers).

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    10. Re:Bad Idea, Really Bad Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone Remember CompuAdd?? or Gateway??, not many do
      Are you kidding? Everybody on this website is in their 50s, of course they remember.

    11. Re:Bad Idea, Really Bad Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon is pursuing a very different business model. Their stores – and the products they are selling in them – are meant to open new sales channels. These stores essentially operate as loss leaders. They don’t need to have a positive cash flow to achieve the company's business goals.

      CompuAdd and Gateways stores, on the other hand, sold their companies’ primary products – they were sales channels in their own right. They had to be profitable. Also, these stores had to keep inventories of fairly expensive stock on hand (1 Gateway PC = ~ 20 Kindles) and that meant tying up a fair amount of capital. That likely acted like a boat anchor when the stores started to become a drag on the rest of the business.

  7. Secure cheap retail space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It would be a good front for a drone delivery base. Secure the retail space and have them be hop stops for drones to recharge midway through their delivery. They should be buying old sears locations.

  8. Dear Amazon, by pinzvidz · · Score: 1

    Please come to Australia, there are shitloads of Masters stores about to be vacated...

    1. Re: Dear Amazon, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably a few Dick Smith locations still vacant too...

    2. Re: Dear Amazon, by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      JB Hifi seems to have bricks and mortar sewn up for electronics (with department chains such as bigw and target filling the rest).

      As for Amazon's original market, books - nothing has really replaced the mega-store chain Borders, so they'd only be driving out Dymocks and smaller chains such as Readings.

    3. Re: Dear Amazon, by Macfox · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say sewn up... rather just the last to die a slow death... They're looking good now as DSE and smaller players have died out. But they still have Harvey Norman to compete with. If they think they're going to be somehow exempt from the market pressures that killed off the rest, they're truly delusional. Maybe they realise that, as they they've expanded their range to cover whitegood and other home appliances.

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  9. I really don't see this as working out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I really don't see this as working out too well for them as a strategy unless they went the full on Walmart Super Center Approach as most people don't go to the Amazon website for Kindle and such.

    If they want to succeed, they will need to go to a huge store that carries a lot of everything including groceries and the major stuff that the local people buy from the website and allow people to purchase online and then go directly to the store to pick up same day without needing a prime membership. THAT, would take off in busy areas as they could purchase online and then pickup same day without having to worry about anything and get groceries and such while they were there. And if they paid extra, they could the Amazon store to deliver to them same day if they are close enough.

    That, I think, would directly compete and possibly win against a Walmart in the same area. Leveraging your online store to help your local business and give your online customers another way to shop.

    1. Re:I really don't see this as working out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ouch, sinking that kind of money (Full retail stores) would be one heck of a risk. It costs tens of millions of dollars to build/stock a single Walmart Supercenter, even a few hundred of them (a few in each state) would be around $10 billion dollars. And competing with an established brand (as long as they aren't gouging their customers) is always an uphill battle. At most what I think would work for them would be a kind of kiosk store, a checkout area with a few employees, a few of their front line products displayed (and stocked) and a bunch of computer terminals. You could order either from store or online and pickup at one of these "pop up" stores, presumably next day for most products, immediately for a few common ones, and within a week for virtually all. This should cut down massively on shipping costs, would allow for immediate purchase of some common products, and give people who might not want to deal with online shopping a way to get online products/prices through a brick and mortar store. They might even be able to leverage some of their famous robotic warehouse technology to speed customer checkout, walk up to an auto checkout area, scan your phone/printout receipt and within a minute a box pops out with your products.

  10. brain wash alert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    brain wash alert fellas.

  11. Similarity to Sears-Roebuck and Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Anyone notice how similar this is to the pre-brick-and-mortor Sears-Roebuck and Company? Back when they had a few stores in the big cities but mostly people ordered from their catalog ("wishbook") and had it delivered out to a local affiliate or dropped at the closest rail siding to them? ... yeah. I've been noticing that for a while.

  12. 40 year old virgin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The online store scene from 40 year old virgin is still relevant

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGxRg5I7r5s

  13. Radio Shack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sounds to me like Radio Shack in reverse.

  14. My only question by buss_error · · Score: 0

    My only question is will the B&M Amazon stores be as over priced as their on line store? When I price compare, Amazon is usually about 15% or more higher than other on line retailers.

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    1. Re:My only question by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Indeed! I've frequently found that Amazon is no longer reliably the cheapest source of goods. I think that changed some time around when they were forced to pay VAT. So, it turns out that for all the fancy talk about logistics and economies of scale, robotic warehouses and service architectures, their real secret sauce was tax avoidance. It seems that with that gone, they're about the same as everyone else now.

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    2. Re:My only question by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      No, that was their secret sauce for building themselves up into a juggernaut, along with logistics and economies of scale.

      Now that they're so big, and so many other companies sell through them too, they can afford to jack up their prices because so many people just buy from them by default. It's just like Walmart: lots of people buy from them by default, even though they're not always the best deal.

  15. So this will be Consumer Distributing by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    for the millennial generation?

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    1. Re:So this will be Consumer Distributing by grumbel5969 · · Score: 1

      What Amazon is doing looks more like demo-kiosks. All they are selling in these stores is Kindles and Fire tablets to get people to use their online store. Doesn't look like they want to offer their online catalogue in the shop.

    2. Re:So this will be Consumer Distributing by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      I am curious if they will have any "Ship To Store" options for those of us who choose not to use Amazon Prime. The $49 rate before free shipping kicks in has seriously dented how much I buy from Amazon.

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  16. i would rather see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    amazon "stores" in strip malls in or near large residential or corporate office districts.. stores you could have your online orders shipped to (free, even without prime), and picked up *at your convenience* instead of either having to stay home on the expected day of delivery, hope a package left when you aren't home isn't stolen, or chase down a post office or ups/fedex office and pick up the package some other day. ya know.. kinda like walmart, best buy, and dozens of other large retailers already offer.

  17. So Amazon is turning into the thing by Snufu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I use Amazon to avoid?

    1. Re:So Amazon is turning into the thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use Amazon to avoid?

      Oh, don't worry, paranoid one. Amazon will still play it's online part to ensure you can remain the introvert you always wanted to be.

      Amazon. Fulfilling the anti-human experience one click at a time.

    2. Re:So Amazon is turning into the thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " Amazon will still play it's online part"

      it's means it is.

      " Fulfilling the anti-human experience one click at a time."

      Can you fulfill the anti "extra apostrophe" experience one possessive pronoun at a time?

    3. Re:So Amazon is turning into the thing by Snufu · · Score: 1

      Spending days, weeks, or months of one's life driving to and parking at crowded strip malls, scouring brick and mortar shelves, then leaving empty handed becasue the store was sold out of your item or was not available in your size, is not the apex of human experience. That time is now used to go to a concert, teach one's kids how to make a snowman, write letters to friends, volunteer, etc.. Many consider that progress.

      If online shopping is too modern and 'anti-human' for you, then so too are fake earnest, impersonal, sterile, retail outlets. Perhaps bartering livestock for your next smartphone would satisfy your preference for haggling face to face.

  18. Argos.co.uk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is like a reverse-Argos move, or something. That's how Argos works: barely anything on site to play with. It's all ordering kiosks. They do have some stock in the back though, so if you pick the right things you'll be able to pick them up on the spot.

  19. The circle is complete... by redmasq · · Score: 1

    Now make your father bankrupt and take your place on the darkside.

  20. Goodbye Tax Free Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The reason you didn't have to pay state sales tax on Amazon purchases was because they didn't have retail locations in any states. As they open storefronts, they will have to collect sales tax in those states, including for online purchases.

    1. Re:Goodbye Tax Free Amazon by crow · · Score: 2

      Amazon has charged tax in most states for quite a while. If they have any physical presence, they have to collect tax, including warehouses. Around here, they're now using their own vans for deliveries instead of UPS or USPS. They reached a deal with a number of states to start collecting tax a few years ago.

      Are there still any states where Amazon doesn't collect sales tax? (Well, other than states like Oregon and New Hampshire that don't have a sales tax?)

    2. Re:Goodbye Tax Free Amazon by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Sometimes if you have a 'fulfilled by Amazon' purchase it doesn't get taxed, because the Mom & Pop vendor doesn't have a state presence but keeps their inventory at Amazon's warehouse somewhere.

    3. Re:Goodbye Tax Free Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its a bit hit and miss but I've paid sales tax on most of my last few purchases through Amazon.

    4. Re:Goodbye Tax Free Amazon by bongey · · Score: 1

      Yes, I have saved a shitload but eventually it is suppose to go away. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  21. Returns! by crow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What I really hope this means is that if I need to return something that I bought on Amazon (if it was fulfilled by Amazon), and I need to return it, that I can do so by driving it to the Amazon store instead of dealing with packing it back up and shipping it back to them. That's the one part of online shopping that I hate dealing with, and this would give me another option.

    1. Re: Returns! by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      You won't as that would obviously require more than three to five hundred square feet of retail space...

    2. Re:Returns! by Hodr · · Score: 1

      Is it really that onerous to stick it back in the box they shipped it in, slap the label on, and drop it off at the UPS store (or other mailbox store)? If so, you can even schedule UPS to pick it up. Even on a Saturday if you are too busy during the week.

    3. Re: Returns! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not obvious to me, a tiny FedEx branch can be smaller than that.

  22. Embrace, extend, extinguish? by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that Amazon's business model is based on the economies of NOT having the overheads associated with retail stores. I would guess that their growth is declining, or is projected to do so within two or three years. The last place for them to grow their market in North America is to start converting those customers who still shop at bricks 'n' mortar stores. Once Amazon manages to put a few of the traditional players out of business, I expect that they'll dramatically shrink the number of their own stores in the hopes of diverting that business into their more profitable mail-order model. (Unless they plan for the stores to also be 'drone terminals' - in that case they'll probably just take over the lion's share of B+M retail and hold on to it for a good long time). In either case, look for them to keep the stores open 24-7, in order to put more pressure on the incumbents.

    One 'outlier' possibility just occurred to me: I'm sure Amazon would love to be in the ISP business as well. Stores would establish a physical presence that might be leveraged to provide Internet service. I bet that service would be really cheap for Prime members. In that case, look for a 'Prime Plus' membership that comes with free Internet service.

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    1. Re:Embrace, extend, extinguish? by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      I think they see it as marketing for their branded hardware... the books, movies, and video games they started with are the same wherever you buy them. Without holding a Kindle some people will be less likely to buy one.

    2. Re:Embrace, extend, extinguish? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Another thing amazon.com gives me is incredible selection. If something's for sale and can reasonably be shipped, I can probably buy it on Amazon. A brick and mortar store can't possibly do that.

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  23. Accept returns there by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 1

    The thing that would make these stores successful would be if they accepted returns of all Amazon-purchased merchandise there. That would instantly turn them into a clicks-and-mortar store.

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    1. Re: Accept returns there by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      And this would make them more money how, exactly?

  24. Sears Roebuck and Montgomery Ward by CharlieG · · Score: 1

    Gee, let's go back to old tech, where the printed catalog was "the web" and the big catalogs opened stores to drive sales to their catalog - their names? Sears Roebuck and Montgomery Wards (extra credit for those who remember 'Monkey Wards")

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    1. Re:Sears Roebuck and Montgomery Ward by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      amazon should buy out sears?

    2. Re:Sears Roebuck and Montgomery Ward by CharlieG · · Score: 1

      NO - not at all
      Just saying they are following a well worn path, and they should watch out

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  25. More Cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another downside to this is that you MIGHT end up having to pay state sales tax now that they have a "brick and mortar" location in each state. Some of those deals aren't such deals when you have to add another 5-10% to the price.

  26. best buy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i won't shop in that shit hole anymore after they had steve wozniak arrested for paying with $2 bills.

  27. purchase online and go to store for groceries? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Why just use peapod then and skip the drive?

    Also it will add a lot overhead to the site to keep track of what is fresh at your local store and for fruit / other items that you need to look at and pick out?

    1. Re:purchase online and go to store for groceries? by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      They do groceries now with AmazonNow in some markets... we tried it out but the prices for anything perishable are (justifiably, I suppose) extremely high, so we never remember to check it for deals on non-perishable stuff we might appreciate getting on short notice. You also have to be present when the delivery comes.

    2. Re:purchase online and go to store for groceries? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      They do groceries now with AmazonNow in some markets... we tried it out but the prices for anything perishable are (justifiably, I suppose) extremely high, so we never remember to check it for deals on non-perishable stuff we might appreciate getting on short notice.

      Odd. Plenty of places offer delivery of fresh fruit and veg for a similar price to what you'd pay in the shop.

      You also have to be present when the delivery comes.

      Don't they do the sensible thing of offering a 1 hour delivery window?

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    3. Re:purchase online and go to store for groceries? by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Yeah there's an hour window, and they text you with when they'll be there and everything, so it isn't too bad. I think we just live too close to the grocery store for it to be worthwhile for us. We've got a grocer and a farmer's market both a half mile away so if I need something right away I just go get it, and if I don't need it right away it isn't worth the premium.

  28. AmazonBasics... by Not-a-Neg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If they want to actually make any money from these pop-up stores they should sell some of the most popular AmazonBasics items which will also help increase exposure of that line of products. Things like: batteries, keyboards, mice, mouse pads, various cables, coffee mugs, and so on. Things that go along with other things a shopper might have already purchased in the mall and that will remind them of Amazon when they use them with other company's products.

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  29. But will they stock Tuscan Whole Milk? by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1
  30. So it's like Barnes and Noble then..? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember they used to have books before they started selling the Nook. "Oh I'm sorry, we don't have that in stock, but we can order it for you!"

    1. Re: So it's like Barnes and Noble then..? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was exactly what happened to me the last time I walked into a Borders bookstore. I figured hey I'm here in the neighborhood, so I might as well see if they have the book I need before I order it on Amazon.

      A sales clerk pointed to a nearby computer terminal and very nicely told me that I could order the book I wanted and have it sent to my house within 1 to 2 weeks. That's what I have Amazon for, so I just stepped outside and ordered the book from Amazon using my smartphone. Two weeks later, driving through the neighborhood, I noticed that Borders had closed and a T.J. Maxx was in its place.

  31. Malls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who the f*ck goes to malls? Malls are filled with feral children hunting victims. I can't assure you now with 100% certainty that I will never, ever lay eyes on an Amazon store inside a mall.

  32. Will this effect taxes in the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How will this affect taxes in the US? I live in Connecticut. My understanding is that if there is a brick and mortar store located in the state of an online business, then the business must charge taxes (perhaps, only here is Connecticut). Well, actually I believe that Connecticut requires that you report items that you buy online and pay taxes through your own reporting.

    1. Re:Will this effect taxes in the US? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Have you never lived outside of Connecticut? Almost every state is exactly like that. The only exceptions are the states that just don't have sales tax (Oregon and New Hampshire I think). You're supposed to either pay sales tax to the vendor, or you're supposed to voluntarily submit use tax if the vendor didn't collect any. And due to federal law, states are not able to force out-of-state retailers to collect sales tax for out-of-state purchases.

      This move won't affect taxes much: Amazon already charges sales tax for most people, because it has warehouses or some kind of physical presence in so many states. There might be a few people negatively affected, as I'm sure there's still a few states that don't have an Amazon physical presence (Wyoming maybe? Alaska? Maine? Just guessing.) If you don't currently pay sales tax on Amazon, but they're opening one of these new B&M stores in your state, then you can expect to pay tax when that happens.

    2. Re:Will this effect taxes in the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can confirm that customers in Alabama did not pay sales tax. Although that changes on November 1.
      Yay sales tax!
      I suppose we will be getting a store somewhere in the state as well.

  33. PLEASE do NOT open one here in My STATE... by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

    still nice for getting same day at same prices and not worrying about delivery details if you live at inconvenient places for delivery.

    I hope they do NOT open an Amazon store in my state.

    If they do, then I'll have to pay fucking 9%+ sales tax on my amazon orders, and well......why would I really wanna buy from them as much then?

    That savings and free shipping is what makes them so desirable right now, but add in that 9%-10% sales tax, and well, I don't see that much a reason to get everything from amazon anymore.

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    1. Re:PLEASE do NOT open one here in My STATE... by Woldscum · · Score: 1

      Well at least your state will get the tax money. I find Amazon not that cheap any more. I rarely buy for the bargain. I buy for the selection. If I want a certain brand deodorant in a certain scent. Or my closest Asian market is a 90 mile round trip. Amazon is awesome.

    2. Re:PLEASE do NOT open one here in My STATE... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Well at least your state will get the tax money. I find Amazon not that cheap any more. I rarely buy for the bargain. I buy for the selection. If I want a certain brand deodorant in a certain scent. Or my closest Asian market is a 90 mile round trip. Amazon is awesome.

      I think my state gets plenty of my money already.

      I find Amazon has better prices on most things "I" like to get...especially without tax. Again, I have to pay 9%-10% at least on brick and mortar purchase.

      That really adds up when you buy a new OLED TV or something like the canon 5D4, or lenses, etc....

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    3. Re:PLEASE do NOT open one here in My STATE... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are legally required to pay use tax, identical to sales tax, on purchases that didn't already have sales tax collected.

      Thus, you are a tax cheat.

    4. Re:PLEASE do NOT open one here in My STATE... by laie_techie · · Score: 1

      I hope they do NOT open an Amazon store in my state.

      If they do, then I'll have to pay fucking 9%+ sales tax on my amazon orders, and well......why would I really wanna buy from them as much then?

      That savings and free shipping is what makes them so desirable right now, but add in that 9%-10% sales tax, and well, I don't see that much a reason to get everything from amazon anymore.

      See if your state has a "use tax" in addition to sales tax. Technically, I'm supposed to pay a use tax on everything I buy out of state (including online) for use in state. The use tax in my state is equal to the sales tax. If I don't pay the use tax, I am technically committing tax fraud and open myself up to an audit.

  34. Best Buy & Amazon are somewhat mutually exclus by decipher_saint · · Score: 1

    DISCLAIMER: I'm Canadian, Best Buy bought up Futureshop so I don't know how much of "Canadian Style" Best Buy is actually Futureshop and vice versa

    I went into Best Buy on Saturday with my mom (she wanted a composite extension cable, spoiler alert they suggested Amazon much to my amusement) anyway, I saw that they have a HUGE sections devoted to appliances, phones (and phone accessories yikes), laptops and LCD TVs but that was about it. They did have a shriveled, vestigial section for "movies" and "games" (and "cables" apparently) but I'm guessing that most people go directly to Amazon for that stuff

    So is the plan for these stores to be some kind of brick and mortar AV shops, like the ones they systematically decimated? Or are they distributed warehouses for faster delivery / drone mustering points with front doors (like those old SEARS catalogue shops)

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  35. And what did Google say about fiber? by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

    I see Amazon opening stores, but with competition to deal with and local/land-based tax rates on realty/etc; it's gonna cost a lot to become Wal*Mart v2.01a.

    I'll watch for online prices to climb to compensate.

  36. Retail Stores? by howlingmad · · Score: 1

    Brick and mortar business? Whoa! Old school. My butt "everything online".

  37. This doesn’t address Amazons problems in the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amazon is a completely unusauble store in Australia. 90% of the products offered aren’t available here. About the only thing you can buy there are books that provide no gaurantees they weren’t written by the laziest algorithmin the world. Worst online store, globally. Its says something when your offerings are so bad that book enthusiasts won’t buy your primary product

  38. NY where? American malls are trash compared... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to American malls in Mexico City. I am fighting to get items in the LOCKER but they keep acting at will and denying the delivery on three different arbitrary reasons and LYING, because the LOCKER is NOT full and I can see to that without problem, as if I was not buying daily in those stores precisely. Amazon kills itself with stores, that is for sure, though I can see amazon is hiring anti-tech guys, not people happy with no contact personal purchasing. That was the point! Not confronting cashiers or salesmen! I foresee they will NOT be offering **delivery to the amazon store** either.

  39. cc Gateway Country, bcc The Wherehouse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I walked into a Gateway Country store exactly one time in my life, and that was for a job interview. I owned several Gateway laptops that I ordered over the phone directly from the company. My rambling point is that I have as much interest in walking into an Amazon retail store as I did walking into a Gateway store sometime in the last century.