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Alibaba Engineers Fired for Mooncake Hacking (wsj.com)

On the eve of Mid-Autumn Festival, some people will go to great lengths to get mooncakes, the traditional gift for family, friends and colleagues. At Alibaba Group Holding Ltd., four engineers tried to rig the distribution system of the e-commerce giant's mooncake selloff -- and were fired for their effort (Editor's note: the link could be paywalled; alternate source), reports WSJ. From the report: Alibaba confirmed it fired the four this week, after they hacked into the internal website that allows employees to purchase the company's signature mooncakes, with an orange fluffy Alibaba mascot inside. The Hangzhou-based company allocates one free box to each employee for the holiday, and sells extras on the site at cost -- 59 yuan (about $9) for a box of four.

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  1. What the hell are mooncakes? by Enigma2175 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Would it have killed them to put a picture of a mooncake in the article? Am I the only one who doesn't know what the hell they are talking about?

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    1. Re:What the hell are mooncakes? by networkBoy · · Score: 5, Informative

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      to be fair, I had no clue either.
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    2. Re:What the hell are mooncakes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Show me on the doll where the reference to an artifact of Chinese culture hurt you.

    3. Re:What the hell are mooncakes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one who doesn't know what the hell they are talking about?

      I think Michael Jackson used to eat them.

    4. Re:What the hell are mooncakes? by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      You can find plenty of pictures and information on the web. But I still don't know what the references to "an orange fluffy Alibaba mascot inside" are about.

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    5. Re:What the hell are mooncakes? by I4ko · · Score: 2

      Actually it could also be lotus. It is a tasty thing.

    6. Re:What the hell are mooncakes? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      A mooncake is a pastry consisting of a crust and a filling. The filling can be sweetened red beans, lotus paste, nuts, etc. They are pretty good. They are eaten during the harvest moon festival, with is tonight.

      They are not at all "hard to get". You can buy them on any corner bakery in China. Also they are easy to make using molds you can buy on eBay or Amazon, and they taste WAY better fresh from the oven instead of the sodium-benzoate laden crap you buy on-line.

      Pro-tip: The hard part is getting them out of the mold, and they slide out of the plastic molds way easier than the wooden molds. I use this one.

      Disclaimer: My wife is Chinese.

    7. Re:What the hell are mooncakes? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I knew about them and have eaten one, and I'm California born and have never been to China. They're sold in the US, and Chinese nationals and Americans with Chinese ancestry will share them with coworkers and friends.

    8. Re:What the hell are mooncakes? by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 1

      I found it interesting and entertaining.
      It peaked my interest enough to look up "Moon Cake."
      I now know another thing I didn't know before.
      I liked this one.

      Same here! Interesting kind of food. Some variants look pretty tasty. Don't know about the bean filling, tho...

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    9. Re:What the hell are mooncakes? by ruir · · Score: 2

      You can buy boxes of them with red bean, lotus, pine apple and melon.

    10. Re:What the hell are mooncakes? by ruir · · Score: 2

      I buy them here in Portugal, and we are not Chinese.

    11. Re:What the hell are mooncakes? by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      Slashdot is now 85% people whining about having to open a tab and search for expository boilerplate.

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    12. Re:What the hell are mooncakes? by b0bby · · Score: 1

      They're not unheard of in the US - I got a box at Costco last year, just to try them out and because the box looked cool. I brought it into work and the consensus was that it's Chinese fruitcake - something everyone has to buy and give, but that no one really likes.

      I guess back in the day it was actually a good gift to get because it seems like about the most calorie dense food you can get. To a peasant farmer that's going to be manna, but for modern affluent folks, it's just too rich.

    13. Re:What the hell are mooncakes? by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      If it's like mochi, the red bean comes out pretty sweet, and not too weird, even for an American palate. Not any weirder than rice pudding or bread pudding, really.

    14. Re:What the hell are mooncakes? by phorm · · Score: 1

      something everyone has to buy and give, but that no one really likes

      I don't know many people who like fruitcakes, but amongst my Chinese friends there is certainly a lot of disappointment if they can't get "moon cakes" around the appropriate time of year.

    15. Re:What the hell are mooncakes? by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      I don't know many people who like fruitcakes, but amongst my Chinese friends there is certainly a lot of disappointment if they can't get "moon cakes" around the appropriate time of year.

      Though that doesn't actually mean that they LIKE it (for the taste, that is)... Maybe they're nostalgic for it.

    16. Re:What the hell are mooncakes? by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

      Most asian supermarkets and tea shops sell them. The taiwanese tea chain Ten Ren has shops here in the US. Their tea flavored cakes are very good

    17. Re:What the hell are mooncakes? by citizenr · · Score: 1

      here is one rolled up nicely https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploa...

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    18. Re:What the hell are mooncakes? by nobodie · · Score: 1

      And some that are mostly fruit. The ones with oranges (mandarins of course) are really excellent. They also have some with spiced pork, eggs and pretty much anything ... you could ... probably .... not .... imagine. yeah, well, pickled vegetables are an acquired taste anyway, but the fruit ones are really my favorite.

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    19. Re:What the hell are mooncakes? by ruir · · Score: 1

      Really interesting. The thing is that I am in Europe, and I buy this stuff Chinese stop in specialised stores run by Chinese for the local Chinese community. Obviously the selection of things is rather lacking in the other corner of the world.

  2. mooncakes are moonbats bait by turkeydance · · Score: 2

    moonpies are poison. R C Cola is the antidote

  3. Mooncakes Are Serious Business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Mooncakes are serious business in Asian culture. Don't fuck with the mooncakes!

    1. Re:Mooncakes Are Serious Business by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      Almost as serious as the moonrunes they type in.

  4. Re:asia is all about cheating and copying others by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Asia is like America: It's ok if companies do it, but don't you DARE to do it yourself.

    *sniff* Those commies learned capitalism so fast... they're almost better at it by now than us.

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  5. but by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

    Alibaba was founded on the principle of "screw the American Devil". The programmers in diverting the mooncakes to themselves were only living up to that principle. It seems to me that their cheat was in complete sync with Alibaba policy and ideals.

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  6. Please explain why I should care by drinkypoo · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This story is a classic example of a bad submission, and there is absolutely no way in hell that it worked its way out here to the front page from the firehose without some kind of manipulation.

    four engineers tried to rig the distribution system of the e-commerce giant's mooncake selloff

    Not only are we left to wonder what a mooncake is, which is not so bad really as we can look it up, but we're left to wonder why we should care about Alibaba's annual mooncake sale which we've never heard of before. Not linking mooncake to WP is dumb, but not linking "annual mooncake sale" to a page which explains what it is to us is just goddamned stupid.

    I thought Slashdot was going to be different now... better. But it's just the same shitstorm of slashvertisements and no editing. That's still enough to keep me coming around, but I'm now never going to believe any bullshit about improvements.

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    1. Re:Please explain why I should care by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

      And you're still the same old cancerous alcoholic as always.

      So far, not cancerous; I even quit smoking. And also not alcoholic; that was my father. I am biologically unable to be a good alcoholic because I throw up long before I forget my problems, black out, etc. You, however, are still a coward — and a cancer.

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    2. Re:Please explain why I should care by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Not only are we left to wonder what a mooncake is, which is not so bad really as we can look it up, but we're left to wonder why we should care about Alibaba's annual mooncake sale which we've never heard of before. Not linking mooncake to WP is dumb, but not linking "annual mooncake sale" to a page which explains what it is to us is just goddamned stupid.

      I thought Slashdot was going to be different now... better. But...

      Nope. Whinier commenters these days. In the old days, a whiny commenter would have whined and then posted links to all the things in question in disgust to get those precious mod points.

  7. For once I knew what the article was about by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

    Having traveled in China, Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan, I actually knew exactly what a mooncake was. It was interesting to me to see some of the "What's a mooncake?" posts given how I'm all the time seeing articles here on subjects I've never heard of, like the latest programming language de jour which is apparently one million times more awesome and useful than every other language that ever came before it.

    By the way, most mooncakes aren't very delicious, at least not according to my white boy American tastes. The ones that probably are delicious rarely if ever make to the USA. Even a good friend in Taiwan told me recently that she doesn't like mooncakes much at all. So if you didn't know what it was, you might not think you were missing much if you actually had a chance to try one.

  8. Re:asia is all about cheating and copying others by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    *gasp*

    Not only have they learned Capitalism but also colonialism, practically at the same time!

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  9. I mean, c'mon by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

    how hard is it to bake a cake?!

    1. Re:I mean, c'mon by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      What's really impressive is that it took FOUR employees to hack a website. FOUR? Really? One would have been enough. What did the other 3 do? Was this a concerted effort, or did all 4 of them hack the website individually without notifying the other 3?

      This probably explains why American companies are outsourcing to China. "For the price of one American employee, we could get FOUR Chinese ones!"

    2. Re:I mean, c'mon by thoughtlover · · Score: 1

      Alibaba confirmed it fired the four this week, after they hacked into the internal website that allows employees to purchase the company's signature mooncakes, with an orange fluffy Alibaba mascot inside.

      No no no.. Alibaba hacked the website "with an orange fluffy Alibaba mascot inside."

      Hacking websites is an interesting use of a mooncake, I'd say!

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  10. Man Bites Dog by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 1

    When Chinese hackers breech American military and corporate security to steal priceless information and technology, it's a tragedy. When Chinese hackers breech Chinese security to steal cheap snacks, it's news.

  11. so basically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You are a culture appropriator

    1. Re:so basically by laserhead · · Score: 1

      You are a culture appropriator

      Culture appropriation is nonsense. As a Chinese I welcome everyone to try our things.

    2. Re:so basically by Cederic · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm British, my culture is to appropriate other cultures.

      We appear to be at an impasse.

    3. Re:so basically by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Why should your opinion matter more than that of an ABC who feels that cultural appropriation is distasteful?

      My kids are ABCs, and they know far less about Chinese culture than I do. I am a white guy, but I actually lived in China and they haven't. Besides, the culture in Dongbei is about as different from the culture in Xizang as Norwegian culture is different from Greek culture.

      It is your right to hold such an opinion, but it's my right to disagree with you.

      ... and it is my right to ignore your opinion.

      Cultural tourists should leave my culture alone unless they can treat it with the same respect they would give to their own cultural institutions.

      Nobody respects American culture ... and that doesn't offend me at all.

  12. Not hacking by Jumunquo · · Score: 1

    Reading other accounts of the story (I expected better from you, WSJ!), the server was not hacked. Instead there was a buy button on a web page, and these engineers wrote javascript in a web browser to click the button for them. I'm not clear on the exact technical details (the articles and posts did not detail them), but it sounds like you could keep clicking the buy button via javascript to get lots of orders.

    1. Re:Not hacking by Stickasylum · · Score: 1

      It's worse than that (or better, depending on perspective). So far as I can tell, Alibaba decided to sell a limited number of leftover boxes at cost through their internal sales system. Apparently the system was immediately overloaded, so employees weren't able actually purchase the boxes by clicking the "buy" button. A few employees whipped up a script to click the button faster to try to get orders through, and ended up buying 124 boxes between them. Alibaba called this a "hack" and fired them 2 hours later. If that's actually how it went down, it sounds pretty damn stupid on Alibaba's part. Maybe there's some cultural differences, but a) selling something through a computer system where demand far outstrips supply is stupid to begin with - just do a lottery for purchase rights; b) restrict the number of boxes an individual can buy; c) maybe just retroactively restrict their purchases to certain # of boxes rather than firing them? Sounds like power-tripping managers who don't know what a hack is and think that throwing a limited number of (apparently highly desirable) items out to a large mass of employees first-come-first-serve is a hilarious fucking game.

    2. Re:Not hacking by Jumunquo · · Score: 1

      Wow, that does make the firing even more ridiculous then. No wonder they immediately got job offers from other companies.

      It's crazy how all these big sites are regurgitating this story with the sensational headline and not one bothers to do a basic fact check. All they need to do to have someone who knows Chinese translate the social media posts.

  13. While no one was looking by timrod · · Score: 1

    While no one was looking, 4 Chinese engineers stole 400 cakes. That's as many as 40 tens, and that's terrible.

    1. Re:While no one was looking by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      There are not 400 cakes. The 400 cakes are a lie.

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  14. The assumption by Tifer · · Score: 1

    So, you assumed that, since China's population is 1/5th of the world's population, that if you posted an article about a Chinese cultural thing, there'd be at least a 20% chance that a reader would know what you were talking about. Now, not that I don't see why you'd THINK that...