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Woman Faces $9,100 Verizon Bill For Data She Says She Didn't Use (dslreports.com)

A Verizon Wireless customer says she received a bill of $9,100 for hundreds of gigabytes of data usage which never consumed. The woman told the Cleveland Plain Dealer she was on Verizon's 4GB shared data plan, and like any normal person, the bill of $8,535 from Verizon for consuming 569GB of data in a matter of few days doesn't compute well with her. The problem, as DSLR reports, is that when she tried to find out what caused the data usage, Verizon website told her "the activity you are trying to perform is currently unavailable. Please try again later." She couldn't and switched to T-Mobile, after which Verizon charged her a penalty of $600.

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  1. New form of measurement? by Nidi62 · · Score: 5, Funny

    If $600 is now referred to as a "plenty", what would the $9,100 be?

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    1. Re:New form of measurement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      One and a half decaplenties.

    2. Re:New form of measurement? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      A joke

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    3. Re:New form of measurement? by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This, folks, is why you should pay attention to who runs for state attorney general.

      Companies get away with this bullshit because private individuals can't hold them to account. It'd cost more than $9100, even counting your time as free, to fight this as an individual. So companies know they can do to you what they please.

      This is why we have consumer protection laws, to protect people from bullshit they can't afford to litigate. A shot across the bow from your state's consumer protection bureau counts for a lot more than an angry contract termination call. And if your state AG's office doesn't have a consumer protection division, or if there aren't consumer protection laws in your state, well you're SOL until someone changes that.

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    4. Re:New form of measurement? by geekmux · · Score: 1

      If $600 is now referred to as a "plenty", what would the $9,100 be?

      Depends on the country, but in the US we generally refer to it as a "shitload".

    5. Re:New form of measurement? by Jawnn · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This, folks, is why you should pay attention to who runs for state attorney general.

      Companies get away with this bullshit because private individuals can't hold them to account. It'd cost more than $9100, even counting your time as free, to fight this as an individual. So companies know they can do to you what they please.

      This is why we have consumer protection laws, to protect people from bullshit they can't afford to litigate. A shot across the bow from your state's consumer protection bureau counts for a lot more than an angry contract termination call. And if your state AG's office doesn't have a consumer protection division, or if there aren't consumer protection laws in your state, well you're SOL until someone changes that.

      But, but.. Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem St. Reagan said so. Besides, the free market will fix this. It always magically corrects all wrongs done to consumers by companies whose only obligation is to their shareholders.

      So... how's my Rand fan-boy impression coming along?

    6. Re:New form of measurement? by jimtheowl · · Score: 1

      The word "tpyed" confirms your preference for typos ;)

    7. Re:New form of measurement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Jes, El Guapo

    8. Re:New form of measurement? by davester666 · · Score: 1

      A leg.

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    9. Re:New form of measurement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I just use a prepaid plan. Works great, no stress.

    10. Re:New form of measurement? by lgw · · Score: 1

      One and a half decaplenties.

      C'mon, that's a sesquidecaplenty! (At least, if we're going to be sesquipedalian about it.)

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    11. Re:New form of measurement? by Mephistophocles · · Score: 1

      It'd cost more than $9100, even counting your time as free, to fight this as an individual. So companies know they can do to you what they please.

      Not necessarily true. In many states small claims court doesn't allow attorneys (or at least it's not unusual to not have one). Fight it. That kind of mentality is why they try this sort of thing. If everyone they did this to took them to small claims court they'd think twice.

      Got a "buddy" in the process of suing AT&T like this right now. They've already offered to settle for about 50% of what he was asking for. He's holding out.

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    12. Re:New form of measurement? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily true. In many states small claims court doesn't allow attorneys

      Except that Verizon is the plaintiff, so they select the venue. There is no way this is going to small claims. Also, her contract almost certainly says she is required to use binding arbitration. The arbitrator earns millions from Verizon's repeat business and will never see this woman again, so they have an obvious bias.

    13. Re:New form of measurement? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Sure. But you can't completely avoid all contractual entanglements in the modern world, so it's nice to know that the other guy can't dictate terms because he's got you over the barrel.

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    14. Re:New form of measurement? by um...+Lucas · · Score: 1

      Yeah. I was out of state, and 2 days into my new billing cycle i got texts saying i was at my data limit. Called them freaking out, they said it was just an error and ignore it. Which I did. But still seemed like "WTF? Why can't they count how much data goes into or out of my device?", like, it should be the most basic part of their system.

      Now, finally... I'm within a month of my contract ending. T-Mobile, here I come!

    15. Re:New form of measurement? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      No, no, you got it wrong...she was charged $8,535, which is not one $600, nor two $600s, but a plenty of $600s.

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    16. Re:New form of measurement? by GTRacer · · Score: 1

      As a former Verizon customer: I used about 15-20 gigs per month on a grandfathered unlimited high-speed LTE plan. Which I would have lost due to needed plan changes for other family members. So I went to T-Mobile. Have been with them three years now and get excellent value for dollar. I pay (out the door) $158 for 6 lines (all phones are already paid for) and my line has the full high speed unlimited add-on. I'm using around 25 gigs a month now.

      That said, our experience all over Florida and the east coast is that when you have service, T-Mo is fine. But they have far more dead spots for data than Verizon. Verizon truly has a top-notch network. And crappy policies.

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    17. Re:New form of measurement? by Mephistophocles · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wow. Uh, no! First off, if she sues them (which is what I was clearly indicating should happen), SHE's the plaintiff. And no, even if they were to sue her, they'd have to do it in the county of her residence, or the court has no jurisdiction. You can't just sue someone in NY when your business is in CO and she lives in GA, because you think the NY court is going to rule in your favor.

      Secondly, regarding arbitration - even if they produce a contract that they can prove she agreed to (far from a certainty), they're probably not going to want to actually go through with arbitration on a $10K claim.

      Thirdly, your last comment is so asinine I'm not sure how to respond to it. The arbitrator is not biased against the litigant because there's some shady deal in which they make "millions" by Verizon bringing them cases. Verizon (and all major corporations) generally avoid actual courtrooms and arbitration whenever possible because it costs one hell of a lot of money (even if they win). So, no, that "obvious bias" doesn't exist except in your fevered imagination. If there's a bias (and I'm certainly not insinuating that the AAA is always as impartial as it claims to be) it wouldn't be for that reason.

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    18. Re:New form of measurement? by hey! · · Score: 2

      Aversion to big government can be a consistent ideology. You assume that this woman needs government to solve her problem.
      It sounds like competition (T Mobile) has provided her an alternative. As for the bill, is it not big government that might cause this woman problems, if it sides with mega-corp to enforce some type of action against her?

      Top marks for the Randie impersonation!

      Err... you were being ironic, right? It's hard to tell these days.

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    19. Re:New form of measurement? by MBGMorden · · Score: 2

      Wow. Uh, no! First off, if she sues them (which is what I was clearly indicating should happen), SHE's the plaintiff.

      What is she going to sue for? In order to bring a suit you have to state damages. If she hasn't paid the fine she hasn't been damaged. If she does pay it she's essentially agreeing to it.

      You can't just sue to "not pay a bill", unless she somehow wants to somehow claim that receiving the bill caused emotional distress for which she's due compensation (fat chance). She has the choice of ignoring it, and if so Verizon can sue for damages, in which case she'd need to lawyer up in response.

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    20. Re:New form of measurement? by FrankSchwab · · Score: 1

      In many states small claims court doesn't allow attorneys

      Who do you think Verizon is going to send to small claims court to represent them? The CEO? Some random secretary? The entire company?

      No, it'll be an attorney, or some other class of legal beagle.

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    21. Re:New form of measurement? by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      That's why I've stuck with Verizon. I live in a small town. Pretty much every major carrier has service here, but for most of them this is the edge of their coverage area - with Verizon it's in the middle.

      If I drive even 2 miles outside of town in the wrong direction almost all of them will drop out whilst Verizon will hold a signal out for 20-30 more miles. My parents and my brother both live outside of all the other areas but within Verizon's service area. If I want to have signal when I'm at their houses, I pretty much HAVE to use Verizon.

      FWIW though, I've never really had trouble out of them. I still haven't had any strange data usage show up on my account, and maybe I'm just cynical, but in general knowing how incompetent the average person is when it comes to understanding networks I'm betting many others don't really understand it either. I've known quite a few people to accidentally turn their Wifi off and be using mobile data for extended periods of time without realizing it.

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    22. Re:New form of measurement? by Mephistophocles · · Score: 1

      Sorry, what I meant (and I wasn't clear) was that she should wait until they try to come after her for it. A ding on her credit report, harassing her for the money, selling the account to a 3rd party and representing this amount as correct, her inability to get credit at another company for a cell phone because of the report, etc might qualify as damages.

      Not being a lawyer, I wouldn't make a prediction on the "emotional distress" component, though stranger things have happened...

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    23. Re:New form of measurement? by Mephistophocles · · Score: 1

      *Sigh.* Again, what I meant was that SHE doesn't need an attorney and therefore wouldn't necessarily be required to foot that expense.

      I am really curious, though, for the entertainment value (even if the saner part of me may regret asking). What other "class of legal beagle" were you referring to?

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    24. Re:New form of measurement? by flopsquad · · Score: 1

      A joke

      Sure, coming right up!
      "In Soviet Verizon, data uses you!"
      Or how about
      "I just flew in from Chicago and boy are my arms tired from beating the crap out of these Verizon accountants who tried to defraud me out of ten thousand bucks!"
      That last one's more observational humor.

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    25. Re:New form of measurement? by tsqr · · Score: 2

      This, folks, is why you should pay attention to who runs for state attorney general.

      Or maybe this is why you should learn to advocate effectively for yourself. Verizon tried to bill me for a data overage a little over a year ago. I called them, told the representative that I thought the bill was in error, and asked him to look at my data usage history over the previous two years. He did, and then not only reversed the overage charge, but gave me a "bonus" package that tripled my monthly data allocation for the next year to compensate me for my inconvenience.

      I've gone through similar exercises quite a few times with cable providers, insurance companies, and other businesses that have reputations for always wanting to screw over the customer, and I've found that a calm but resolute approach, in combination with a little data, works wonders.

    26. Re:New form of measurement? by SeaFox · · Score: 3, Funny

      If $600 is now referred to as a "plenty", what would the $9,100 be?

      She should just cut them a check for $91.00 -- they'll consider the bill paid in full.

    27. Re:New form of measurement? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Referring to the patent suits? Those are in Federal court for violations of Federal law. The Feds have no interest in whether one private party owes another $10K.

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    28. Re:New form of measurement? by SeriousTube · · Score: 1

      A deplorable plethora.

    29. Re:New form of measurement? by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily true. In many states small claims court ...

      "small claims court" LOL. That's a good one. Here is how it would go:

      Verizon customer: "I have this huge bill that I want to contest".
      Verizon lawyer: "We have this arbitration agreement. Customer has no right to be heard here"
      Court: "This case is dismissed."

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    30. Re:New form of measurement? by Mephistophocles · · Score: 1

      I'm just hazarding a f*cking guess here, but of the two of us, I'm betting I'm the only one who's actually ever been in said courtroom.

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    31. Re: New form of measurement? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      In this case, zero. Verizon reversed the data charges, no explanation.

      link

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    32. Re: New form of measurement? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      Not true. She is free to sue for a declaratory judgment stating she doesn't owe the money.

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    33. Re:New form of measurement? by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      "Free market" does not mean a market free from government regulation.

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    34. Re:New form of measurement? by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      Very true. The best analogy I have come up with is that regulation is, or should be, analogous to the landmasses and structures that regulate the flow of commerce and prevent problems like resonances, "water hammer"-like events, and obstructions. An even more obscure analogy - regulations can prevent a too-large shark from going upstream, getting stuck, and blocking the flow, swallowing everything, or just dying and stinking up the place. To the extent that government bodies participate in commerce, they become less like the land masses and more like the boats and fish.

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    35. Re: New form of measurement? by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      This is contract enforcement, one of the bedrock functions of government in a modern society. It's amazing how people like you create this straw man libertarianism since you don't understand what we actually believe.

    36. Re:New form of measurement? by Maxwell'sSilverLART · · Score: 1

      At $10K, yes, you're correct; as soon as you get above $75K, though, if the parties are from different states, you can get it into federal court by invoking diversity jurisdiction.

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    37. Re:New form of measurement? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As someone who used to do that job, it seems like your particular account was in a position where the agent could actually do something about it. Most of the time, the most you're going to get is a $5 credit and maybe reversing a 1GB overage. It also sounds like you weren't on the right plan for your usage, which is pretty common when people set things up at the store and don't pay attention to the fine print.

      But you're pretty much right. If you know your shit before picking up the phone and are *civil*, if things really are wrong then the agent will know what to do to correct it. But keep in mind that agents are pushed to never admit that it's Verizon's fault, they're coached to ask you about other options before disconnecting a line, etc (because it reflects on them), and if you're account is already in a good spot, then the most that agent's gonna be able to do is likely only a $5 credit. I can't tell you how many times I was on the phone with a customer and totally felt where they were coming from, only to find out I couldn't help them, even if I ignored the rules.

      Ultimately I left that soul-sucking, thankless job, but I'd say most agents have the *will* to help, but not always the *means*.

      tldr: you got lucky, agents often can't do shit on their own.

    38. Re:New form of measurement? by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      "Free market" does not mean a market free from government regulation.

      In the truest sense of the term, it does. It's all a myth of course, because it assumes that those making the purchasing decisions have all the information that they need to choose wisely. The FDA was born because consumers clearly lacked such insight and were suffering, even dying for it. Despite what that fuckwit Trump is saying, some government regulation is not just necessary, it is welcome.

  2. "a plenty of $600" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Thank you for writing the needful.

  3. Ignored Messages by bfpierce · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or did Verizon not send them. I get these constantly when I'm towards 90% of my monthly allotment.

    1. Re:Ignored Messages by Solandri · · Score: 2

      Don't assume competence on Verizon's part. Almost a decade ago a friend of mine got an offer to save a few bucks if she would combine her Verizon cell phone bill with her Verizon DSL bill. She signed up for it, got the first combined bill, and paid it. A few weeks later she got a notice from Verizon Wireless that she hadn't paid her bill. She called to find out what was going on and got the run-around. After enough calls she got someone at Verizon (DSL) to investigate it. They insisted they'd fixed the problem so she figured it was resolved. Next month she got another past due notice from Verizon Wireless, with a warning that they would discontinue service if her past two months weren't paid. In a panic she called Verizon Wireless to explain she had a combined bill. No luck - Verizon Wireless claimed they had no way to check the payment status of a combined bill, and refused to call the number for the Verizon DSL rep who offered to help her clear it up. No amount of talking would get them to actually do something to fix the problem. In their minds, they made no mistakes and the only aceptable fix was for her to pay her "bill".

      Long story short, they cancelled her cell phone plan, gave her phone number to another customer, and screwed up her credit report.

    2. Re:Ignored Messages by sycodon · · Score: 2

      My kid went to Mexico with her boyfriend and his family for the week.

      On Friday, I received three text messages. One stating that the Data limit had been used up and that they were adding more. They second said the data charge was over $1000. The third said that the charge was about $3000 and they turned off the data. All in the span of 3 minutes.

      They wanted me to pay them and I told they to go fuck themselves. It will be off my credit report next year.

      AT&T, fucking you over like no others.

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    3. Re:Ignored Messages by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Don't assume competence on Verizon's part.

      Or any traditional career, of that part. I once had a line on central switchboard but was build separately. The phone company screw up royally, charging $1 04 $2 for calls that should have been a dime. My bill was only a few hundred dollars, and even when I got someone to issue a credit (the commercial people insisted it was a home account, and the home people insisted it was a commercial one) it never showed up on my account.I had faxes stating the credit was applied, at one point the CEO's office rep was involved but they never figured it out. The phone person at the residence said they had talked to the company and was told it was not worth the trouble to fix the billing... A friend, who worked with the company's CEO, said just don't pay it; they will eventually write it off which is what they did. It never should up on my credit report either, probably because they didn't have any information on me other than a box at the university I was attending. I kept a thick file for number of years and finally chucked it after never hearing anything again; I wonder who was getting hundreds of dollars of credits each month, probably whoever now had my old number.

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    4. Re:Ignored Messages by OverlordQ · · Score: 1

      That's entirely your and your kids fault, and collections stays on for 7.5 years.

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    5. Re:Ignored Messages by mea_culpa · · Score: 1

      AT&T is the worst. They are on my permanant shit list along with DirecTV, Vonage, and Sprint.

      I was house sitting for my boss and taking care of his pets while he went on vacation a while back. He knew that I frequently called my GF in Dominican Republic so he said to feel free to use his land line while he was away but not to spend more than 2 hours per day.

      Well... The first night I called and talked for about 1 hour then the line disconnected. It happens sometimes, the phone company in Santo Domingo isn't exactly the best quality. It still had a dial tone and I could call my cell phone ok just not her, The next night I noticed that the line was still not working so I tried line 2 (he had 4 lines total). After about an hour the same thing happened. Hmm weird, maybe there is something wrong with the lines at my bosses place. He does live 45 min outside of the city maybe there's an outage or something. There was a big storm the other night. This continues each night until all four lines stopped connecting calls to my GF.

      On the way home from his vacation a family member passed away so when he arrived back home he needed to place lots of long distance calls to friends and relatives urgently. Of course none of these calls were connecting on all 4 lines. He calls the phone company and they direct him to AT&T. AT&T tells him that a billing issue has blocked the outgoing calls and that he needed to pay $2800 before they would restore service. He was not happy. He assumed that I spent the entire time on the phone when in reality it was not more than 4 hours. At the time Sprint was charging $0.55/min and MCI charged $0.35/min. A reasonable human would have expected AT&T to be a tiny bit competitive and maybe charge $0.80 or $1.00 at the most. Nope. AT&T charged $12.00 per minute. They were nice enough to terminate the connection when each line reached $700 but they would not negotiate the price one bit. They weren't in a hurry to restore service after payment either. Cellular long distance was terrible back then or non existent.
      He was pissed off, but knew he couldn't really blame me. I felt bad and agreed to help pay it.

    6. Re:Ignored Messages by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      At $12/minute, if you spent two hours per day on the phone with your GF in DR, that would have been $1,440 per day, or $5,760 for four days (you don't say how long you were house sitting but at one line per night, four lines, you must have been there at least four days).

      So I don't understand. If he was billed $2,800 total, that's less than half of what it would have been had you talked for the agreed on two hours per day for four days. In fact it appears that the bill was for one hour per day, which is what you say is the time you were talking each time before the line went dead.

    7. Re:Ignored Messages by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Somehow you missed where he said "the first message said the data limit had been reached and they were adding more", and the fact that all three messages arrived within 3 minutes. I don't know if any court could hold a customer to that bill, where it is clearly demonstrable that there was a limit in place, and the phone company removed it without authority, and their charges are clearly ursarous if they can reach $3000 in such a short time.

      The problem here is that roaming rates have not changed since the 1990s when charging by the MB was reasonable, because noone used data for anything other than the occasional 4k WAP site.

  4. i would tell verision by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    to go jump in a lake and hich a ride on a slow boat to china, i would NOT fork over that kind of money to ANYBODY, one reason is i dont have it and if i did it would not be going to a god damned phone company

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    1. Re:i would tell verision by Fnord666 · · Score: 2

      to go jump in a lake and hich a ride on a slow boat to china, i would NOT fork over that kind of money to ANYBODY, one reason is i dont have it and if i did it would not be going to a god damned phone company

      Which is all well and good but Verizon will just turn it over to a collections agency and let them deal with it. Then you are well and truly fucked.

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    2. Re:i would tell verision by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      bullshit, collection agencies can go jump in a lake too right along side verizion

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    3. Re:i would tell verision by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Collections agencies have no power. They will act like they do, but they are lying.

  5. A link to the real article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Instead of the crappy DSLReport blurb - http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/09/verizon_data_overages_other_ch.html

  6. OnStar data plan... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Started spamming me to buy more data because I only have 20% remaining. That's funny because I never used it and never even turned on the WiFi hotspot. Needless to say, when the trial period is over I won't be buying their ridiculously overpriced plan.

  7. SpeedTest by Thelasko · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now we know what happens to all of that data that's routed through /speedtest.

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  8. You folks in the US are getting scammed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I pay $30/month for 20 Gigs of 3G. If I ever exceed it (I haven't), my bandwidth is throttled to 50KB/s until the end of the month.

    Verizon are charging (8535/569) $15/Gig? Incredible. Isn't there a US telecoms regulator?

    1. Re:You folks in the US are getting scammed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      its even worse in Canada

    2. Re:You folks in the US are getting scammed by SecurityGuy · · Score: 1

      Yep. I got a notice today, in fact, from Verizon that I was nearing my cap and that it'd be $15/GB over unless I paid $20 to go to the next tier.

      I really don't get why they're crowing about faster and faster speeds, 5G, and the like. It's just a recipe for blowing through your plan allowance faster.

    3. Re:You folks in the US are getting scammed by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      3G? WTF? I pay $30 for 4G in the US unlimited. YOU are the one getting scammed.

    4. Re:You folks in the US are getting scammed by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      Verizon are charging (8535/569) $15/Gig? Incredible. Isn't there a US telecoms regulator?

      I think AT&T isn't much cheaper. Either the same price or $10 per GB for overage (over the data amount of your plan).

    5. Re:You folks in the US are getting scammed by b0bby · · Score: 1

      Is this a multi line plan or grandfathered something? I have 3 lines for $30 each, 2.5Gb 4g data each then throttled unlimited, and that seemed to be about as good as one could get.

    6. Re:You folks in the US are getting scammed by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      I really don't get why they're crowing about faster and faster speeds, 5G, and the like. It's just a recipe for blowing through your plan allowance faster.

      Faster and faster speeds are accomplished not only by using more and wider frequency bands, but also by more efficiently using those frequencies. That means the overall capacity increases and so (theoretically) they could offer more data at the same price.

      So yes if your data cap stayed constant you could blow through them faster. Or they could give you more. Or they have the ability to service more customers without impacting your speeds.

    7. Re:You folks in the US are getting scammed by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Now that people are used to having, say, a 15 GB per month cap and paying more if they go over it, do you REALLY BELIEVE the telcos will up it to, say, 50 GB per month before you have to pay more just because they switch to a more efficient technology?

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    8. Re:You folks in the US are getting scammed by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      I don't know those exact conditions. But I know for my personal account that I've had with T-mobile my data has gone up over the years while keeping about the same price. I just got an email a week ago that I was getting a 33% increase in data for free.

    9. Re: You folks in the US are getting scammed by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      It's telecoms in general, not just HSI. The cellular companies are horrible, and so are the ISPs (phone companies like Verizon with DSL or GPON/FiOS, and also cablecos like Comcrap with DOCSIS).

      Our prices are ridiculous, our service levels are atrocious, and there's no good government regulation keeping these companies in line. ALL of the developed nations (except probably Canada) are much better, along with many of the not-so-developed ones. Romania, for instance, has far better telecom service than the US does.

    10. Re:You folks in the US are getting scammed by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      Much worse. I would literally suck a dick to get the mobile plans they have in the states.

      For that deal, you would have to sign up with Comcast.

  9. She switched carriers because... by Nutria · · Score: 1

    she was afraid of being put on hold.

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  10. Verizon Has Issues by JumbleGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just about a month ago, Verizon was reporting that my wife had used some ridiculous amount (can't remember exactly how much) of data on her phone. It turned out that both their website & their phone app were reporting MB as GB. It took them several days to fix it.

    1. Re:Verizon Has Issues by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just about a month ago, Verizon was reporting that my wife had used some ridiculous amount (can't remember exactly how much) of data on her phone. It turned out that both their website & their phone app were reporting MB as GB. It took them several days to fix it.

      Verizon should realize that it's unlikely an individual is going to pay an almost $10k data bill.

      So...why do they even allow you to run one up? By default, you should be shut off if you go over "n" times your limit (say your limit is 2G...after 6G, your data service is shut off). That way, Verizon gets their "nominal" overage charges, and nobody's all sue-happy. Why isn't this a thing? If you're some kind of commercial super user, you could sign away that protection, but for 99.44% of their users, it would eliminate this bad publicity.

    2. Re:Verizon Has Issues by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 1

      I'd suggest moving to somewhere without an extradition treaty before they correct it and add late payment surcharges, it'll be cheaper.

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    3. Re:Verizon Has Issues by Calydor · · Score: 1

      That sounds suspiciously like that old 0.02 cent problem. Wasn't THAT Verizon as well?

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    4. Re:Verizon Has Issues by mikeiver1 · · Score: 1

      Had unlimited on two phones and a data card. I was paying about $215USD a month with 700Min and no text. They jacked it to around $265 a month, I called them and told them to put it back. They said they couldn't . OK, Cancel the data card service, I only use it a few times a year anyway and it was only backup internet connection for the girl friends IT job since she works from home. I also went to a 12GB shared data plan and unlimited talk and text as well as tethering on both phones making the data card unneeded now. The new bill is $134 a month she said. I said how the hell did that work out for you then! We now have $90+ more dollars in our pocket and the greedy fucks at Verizon have me making far more phone calls and spending allot more time on the phone than in the past. I always try to use up as many minutes and far more data than I did in the past just to spite them.

    5. Re:Verizon Has Issues by rew · · Score: 1

      Suppose this "overcharging" happens to say 5% of the customers and say 10% of them simply pay up? My guess is that this would account for a shitload of cash.

    6. Re:Verizon Has Issues by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      Some years ago it did work in a way similar to that. I was on a family plan with 1000 shared minutes (we weren't big talkers... more texts). One time we did manage to go over and got a big bill. Turned out one was trying to reach the DMV or whatever and kept calling, didn't realize that each call counted as 1 min. Yes, they tried roughly 300 times total in one day. So I went onto T-Mobiles site and limited minutes for *every* phone. Next time the boundary was hit, they could only make emergency and in-family calls, which don't count toward the limit.

      Most Android phones have some data usage tracking built in, so you can monitor in real-time. A few CM images I've used will notify and/or cut off data once the limit is reached.

      All of the above means the account owner must be proactive and either get their account set up for that, or use their phone to help. That's probably asking too much for most people.

  11. Bills could kill. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    I imagine some older person on a fixed income could possibly have a stroke or heart attack from shock at such a bill. With all the algorithms gathering data on the data we use, you think they would invest in making sure of, I don't know, umm.. accuracy?

  12. sue first by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "I told them that I won't pay the bill,'' Gerbus said. "I can either wait until they take it to a collection agency or when they take it to court. Either way, my credit history will be ruined. I can go bankrupt here.''

    It might be wise to consider (or threaten) suing first. Lawsuits bring you to the front of the bureaucracy line, and can resolve the issue without bankruptcy.

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    1. Re:sue first by networkBoy · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's how I resolved my dispute with Chase bank when they did some seriously underhanded sh!t.
      I told them that they were trying to get blood from a turnip as I would rather burn my money and go insolvent.
      They threatened to sue me, and I replied with: "Please do, I dare you to find a jury that will take your side on this".

      After that my interest rate was 0.00000% till my balance was paid.

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    2. Re:sue first by jetkust · · Score: 3, Funny

      Chase was trying to take his turnips because they though they had blood in them. So he threatened to sue them, but lost interest in the turnips already well before Chase gave them back.

    3. Re:sue first by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      This. If you just ignore it Verizon, or any company, can just claim you owe any amount of money they want and economically you will owe this until you contest it.

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    4. Re:sue first by networkBoy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The agreement in question was that I agreed to binding arbitration; the moment they said sue they lost that.

      As to the rest of the story, since people asked...

      I had a *sizable* life of loan deal with them at 2.99%. (about $30K, rolled a car loan, student loan, etc. into it).
      When the banking crisis hit no one wanted to carry these low interest loans with long payoffs, and no one would buy them from the lenders either. Since the agreement was for "Life of loan" they were stuck on the interest rate, but the loophole they found was that the minimum payment was not locked in.
      They jacked the minimum payment with only 15 days notice by 250%. Naturally I (and many others) was unable to pay so the account went delinquent. Now that the account was past due they could jack the interest to 29.99% APR. That is $750/mo in interest up from $75/month. I should mention that the day I received the increase notice I tried calling and saying to close my account and that I did not agree to the new terms, I was informed that option was not being made available in this case.

      As the account slipped further and further behind I tried an idea based on the common practice of companies like this sending out a check "cash this to enroll in our credit monitoring service" or whatnot.

      I drafted a repayment agreement at 0.000% (I did borrow the money, I should pay it back, but by their actions I decided they forfeit being able to earn any money from me) and wrote a check for the first payment.

      I looked up their business office (*not* payment office) and mailed the letter and check (both referencing the other and acceptance of terms by cashing check) attention: Account Manager.

      They cashed the check, so when I got my next bill showing the payment was made, but the terms not modified I called to inform them of the billing error. Hilarity ensued.

      It took nearly a week of back and forth, but finally they threatened to sue me and I replied with my dare.

      A brief silence was followed with "please hold on a moment" and a very unhappy but authoritative sounding person basically accepting my offer (they countered that they wanted the balance paid in 5 years, I was offering 6... since they agreed to the 0% interest I agreed to the 12 month acceleration).

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    5. Re:sue first by sjames · · Score: 1

      [citation needed]

    6. Re:sue first by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      As the account slipped further and further behind I tried an idea based on the common practice of companies like this sending out a check "cash this to enroll in our credit monitoring service" or whatnot. I drafted a repayment agreement at 0.000% (I did borrow the money, I should pay it back, but by their actions I decided they forfeit being able to earn any money from me) and wrote a check for the first payment. I looked up their business office (*not* payment office) and mailed the letter and check (both referencing the other and acceptance of terms by cashing check) attention: Account Manager.

      Genius.

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    7. Re:sue first by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      thank you. I thought so too. Trick was "attn: Account Manager"

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  13. that's why they are called service providers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    they **** you in the *** every time

    1. Re:that's why they are called service providers by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      They hunt you in the er2 every time?

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  14. Now we know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    who that kid stole from.

  15. Accidental Overage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    You have to very, very specifically _try_ to get that much data on a mobile device. We're talking running torrents, binge watching Netflix 18+ hours a day for the entire month, etc.

    While those things are certainly possible, you don't "accidentally" do them. You might acci

    It's a billing error, and Verizon needs to own up to it.

    On that note: always check your bill, and never, ever let any company have an open ended billing mechanism (e.g. overage charges) against you. Verizon offers "safety mode", you should use it.

    1. Re:Accidental Overage? by ZorinLynx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They actually charge $5 per month extra for that "safety mode". It's ridiculously underhanded and sleazy and one of the reasons I'd rather not use Verizon.

    2. Re:Accidental Overage? by StatureOfLiberty · · Score: 1

      I left Verizon years ago because I got tired of their "bill first, ignore questions later" attitude.

    3. Re:Accidental Overage? by Algan · · Score: 1

      They actually charge $5 per month extra for that "safety mode"..

      Not anymore

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    4. Re:Accidental Overage? by jrumney · · Score: 1

      It depends on phone company. Many are very sleazy, and count error packets generated by their poor network infrastructure. For example my regular network usage is around 1GB/month, but at the end of last year, I went on an overseas trip for two weeks, and bought a local 2GB prepaid card - it was gone within 3 days.

  16. This is just another reason I like unlimited. by sims+2 · · Score: 1

    I don't have to worry If their measurement system messes up and says I used 12ZB of data or I happen to use 5GB on netflix my bill will always be the same.

    It's mostly just better for peace of mind.

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  17. Verizon's lame Amazon explanation by jetkust · · Score: 2

    So Verizon's explanation for how the data got so high is apparently because she accessed Amazon 400 times during that period. So they actually think visiting a website 400 times would account for 560 gigabytes of data? Over a gigabyte per visit. How stupid can they be? More proof that signing up with a company that can just randomly bill you whatever they want is not a good idea. Verizon is stuck in the stone age.

    1. Re:Verizon's lame Amazon explanation by MikeDataLink · · Score: 1

      If she was streaming a movie from Amazon Instant video that would be just about right.

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    2. Re:Verizon's lame Amazon explanation by jetkust · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So she streamed 400 movies within the time period of a week or so ...

    3. Re:Verizon's lame Amazon explanation by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      Maybe she bought a 500Gb hard drive, and 4 16Gb microSD cards. That would account for it, right?

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    4. Re:Verizon's lame Amazon explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In order to rack up ~600GB of data usage in 10 days she would have had to be watching full HD video (~3GB/h) every hour of every day.

      Of course that highly unlikely. And it's also highly unlikely it was an unattended device. Amazon, like other streaming providers, requires user interaction after every couple streams to prevent an unattended device from streaming data endlessly.

      Additionally, on a small mobile device, Amazon/netflix/etc will not send a full HD stream (3GB/h) but rather a smaller resolution stream suitable for the device (full HD would be utterly useless and just a waste for everyone) and at a small fraction of the full HD bitrate. We're talking a couple hundred KB/s throughput or about 1GB/hour.

      So the Amazon excuse it, at best, paper thin. It's a billing error.

    5. Re:Verizon's lame Amazon explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      400 movies, 1.5 hours each (average?) - if she was streaming continuously it would take 25 days to watch all 400 movies.

      At 20Mb/s, if each move was on average 2GB, it would take 10 days to stream all the content (not watch, just the time it takes to download over 20Mb/s.) If you have consistent 20 Mbps over 3G, then your speed is better than I get! (Verizon standard LTE is typically between 5 & 12 Mbps).

      So, something is very very wrong, and someone is failing to do basic math verification in their analysis.

    6. Re:Verizon's lame Amazon explanation by EvilSS · · Score: 2

      So Verizon's explanation for how the data got so high is apparently because she accessed Amazon 400 times during that period. So they actually think visiting a website 400 times would account for 560 gigabytes of data? Over a gigabyte per visit. How stupid can they be? More proof that signing up with a company that can just randomly bill you whatever they want is not a good idea. Verizon is stuck in the stone age.

      AWS.

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    7. Re:Verizon's lame Amazon explanation by swb · · Score: 2

      At a minimum they should have some kind of customer service flag pop up for agents when an individual calls about an absurdly high bill that's likely to be some kind of billing or data accounting error and that then routes the call to a team that handles them specifically.

      A team dedicated to these could eliminate the usual media clusterfuckery that happens when a carrier blindly tries to enforce not-believable billable and flag that person for the data/billing accounting developers so they could possibly track down an error in the system.

      And then waive the bill completely or at least reduce it to whatever last month's was -- that would create word of mouth good will that $1 million in advertising never would.

      It would be interesting to see a list of the top 100 consumer data consumers and how much they consumed from all the carriers. I don't doubt there are weird cases where people are perfectly willing to blow a couple of grand a month on data consumption, but it's kind of hard to think of non-business related situations where people would be regularly running up $1000+ monthly tabs for data and not doing anything about it.

      About the only case I can think of is someone who does consulting as an individual off their LTE connection and has the ability to bill their clients for all the data they consume. But even then, LTE isn't *that* fast and if you're pulling down a couple hundred gig a month, chances are your opportunity costs are such that you'd seek a faster download path just for the time savings.

    8. Re:Verizon's lame Amazon explanation by sjames · · Score: 1

      She would have to watch several at the same time to manage it within that time period.

    9. Re:Verizon's lame Amazon explanation by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      There's nothing suspicious about that data usage at all, Mate.

      She was thinking of buying an Amazon Fire TV Stick and decided to read all of the reviews first.

    10. Re:Verizon's lame Amazon explanation by msauve · · Score: 1

      "full HD would be utterly useless and just a waste for everyone"

      I use an MHL adapter to connect my phone to a HD TV via HDMI, you insensitive clod.

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  18. Link to more complete source story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why not link to the source article instead of a summary? It has a lot more detail on what supposedly happened.

  19. Throttling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Verizon should ask itself how this woman managed to download 569 GB of data in a few days without having her download speed throttled.

    It's a shame I'm not a lawyer. I'd gladly file a very nasty countersuit, pro bono, to teach these monopolies a lesson.

  20. Re:Verizon charged her a plenty? by jandrese · · Score: 2

    I see you aren't a Verizon customer. "This service is temporarily unavailable" means "We shut this down 5 years ago but never told anybody, not even our CSRs." It's all designed to run you around in circles until you give up and just pay the bill.

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  21. Re:Verizon charged her a plenty? by whipslash · · Score: 1
  22. Credit Limits by denbesten · · Score: 1

    I have long wanted to be able to place a credit limit on my phone such that the phone company will cut me off when I have reached my limit. Much like the credit card companies do.

    I skirt the issue by using a provider that pretends to offer unlimited voice and data for a fixed monthly cost, but there are still issues of roaming, cramming and the like.

    1. Re:Credit Limits by gspira · · Score: 1

      Like Pay as You Go?

    2. Re:Credit Limits by wbr1 · · Score: 1
      Ting allows you to do this. Independently for voice/text/data. You can get a phone that rides either sprint or tmobile depending on the coverage in the area. If you get a nexus, you can get a sim for both providers and switch when necessary (extra 6 per month). Each sim will have it's own number and be treated as a different phone on Ting.

      I used to do this, and forwarded a google voice number to both SIM numbers so I could get calls no matter what network I was on.

      Tings customer service is great too.

      My girlfriend is still on Ting, I am currently testing out project fi from Google. I like the autoswitching to a degree (I was wearing out my SIM contacts switching networks when I needed data). I am not sure however if Fi lets you set a hard cap.

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  23. Impossible by Mephistophocles · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So, at the speeds Verizon provides me, 569 gig in a few days is a physical impossibility. Definitely agree with other posters - sue them for the max amount allowable in small claims court. Bet they settle without you ever actually talking to a lawyer.

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    1. Re:Impossible by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      works on a contingency basis? no, money down!

    2. Re:Impossible by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      So, at the speeds Verizon provides me, 569 gig in a few days is a physical impossibility.

      Definitely agree with other posters - sue them for the max amount allowable in small claims court. Bet they settle without you ever actually talking to a lawyer.

      Wow! That's like seven exploding Samsung Galaxy 7's worth of data!

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  24. 70GB in one day on a phone seems unlikey by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    70GB in one day on a phone seems unlikely. So did they mess up the counting? added some other users phones to their account?

  25. You know Verizon can't do basic math by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1
  26. 569gb ?! by meerling · · Score: 2

    So, does anybody want to run the numbers on 569 gigabytes on a cell phone over "just a few days" ?
    How does that even compare to the max rate of download those things are even capable of?
    Is it based on around the clock downloading which we know isn't reasonable either, especially if there are periods when she wasn't at home or where she could be charging the phone as we know downloading eats up battery at a pretty decent clip.
    This looks extremely questionable to me, and potentially impossible to achieve. (Of course somebody with more specific information could do the calculations I can't, and am probably too lazy to do today anyway.)

    1. Re:569gb ?! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      So, does anybody want to run the numbers on 569 gigabytes on a cell phone over "just a few days" ?
      How does that even compare to the max rate of download those things are even capable of?

      In general some would call that a weak effort

  27. Verizon dropped most of the charges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/09/verizon_agrees_to_drop_florida_1.html

    Verizon dropped most of the charges.

    They did steal over $600 from the poor woman.

  28. I doubt anyone will need to sue anyone else by blibbo · · Score: 1

    ... I'm not from a country where suing people is a common occurrence but usually the way you fix is through the beauracracy. With a few sensible steps to shortcut the process.

    You call/email/talk to people until you find someone that has any measure of power, and escalate to management as necessary.

    If you have a bill that is "signed" by the manager of some collections department etc of the company (even though it would have been processed by some underling), you politely request that person's phone number and establish a one-to-one dialog, explaining calmly that it's clearly a mistake and that you expect the charges to be reversed and a full explanation of what has happened.

    If you have a name of someone who is, or should be, responsible within the company, you can often infer an email address. Firstname.lastname@companyname.com or some such. If you have one person's email, you can infer another's.

    Phone and-or email at least weekly. Ideally keep a polite, calm,reasonable email paper trail, copy in anyone you've talked to along the way. Don't get angry but do insist that it's clearly a mistake, that you expect someone to take responsibility and that you expect the charges to be reversed.

    The biggest surprise, as with so many news stories, is that it became a news story at all. If you are a squeaky enough wheel, you basically become someone's full-time job to figure out some kind of solution.

  29. Re:Verizon charged her a plenty? by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

    I have gotten that when trying to pay my phone bill. So I go away, forget about it for some days, and get charged a late fee.

    That "service is temporarily unavailable" message earns them extra cash, so why would anybody be surprised that they don't fix it?

  30. This goes to show... by martinfb · · Score: 1

    Would you not think that a large technology company could, and would, have a service flagged in the event that such an unusual activity was occurring on a line, and at least notify/warn a customer?!
    It makes one think that Verizon is taking advantage of an error in a system; focusing on revenue only.

    This reinforces my perception of Verizon as being an 800 pound monopolizing gorilla.

    I have had endless experiences with Verizon's bureaucratic nightmares. They make it way too difficult to get anything done.
    Especially compared to any other competitor.
    For example, if you do not have Call Forwarding available on your land lines (which all other carriers include in their pkgs), it takes Verizon "up to 48 hours" to invoke a Call Forward request (where other carriers effect a Call Forward request virtually immediately - regardless of ANY other service request that may be pending). It has actually take me over 36 hours to see my requests fulfilled. Too late to meet my needs!

    I see things like this consistently with Verizon. Their po;licies and structure are still antiquated, cumbersome, and costly.
    Why even bother with Verizon?

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  31. Verizon has dropped the bill by donak · · Score: 1
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