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It Took a Couple Decades, But the Music Business Looks Like It's Okay Again (recode.net)

According to latest number from RIAA, music sales in the first half of the year were up 8.4 percent, to $3.4 billion -- the best performance the music industry has seen since its peak days back in the CD era. Recode adds: That boom is fueled entirely by the growth of paid subscription services. This year's numbers include Apple Music, which didn't exist a year ago but has 17 million worldwide subscribers today, as well as Spotify, which has been growing faster than Apple and has 40 million global subs. Digital downloads via stores like iTunes, meanwhile, are falling behind. Those sales dropped 17 percent to $1 billion. And some people still buy CDs, but soon that business will be a footnote: Those sales dropped 14 percent and now make up just 20 percent of U.S. sales. All good, right? Not according to Cary Sherman, who runs the RIAA, the labels' American trade group. He has a Medium post complaining that YouTube doesn't pay enough for all the music it streams, almost all of which is free.

125 comments

  1. That's too bad.... by sbrown7792 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    now they can't blame piracy for poor sales.

    1. Re:That's too bad.... by diesalesmandie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      now they can't blame piracy for poor sales.

      They will anyway, the music industry cant never make "enough" profit

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    2. Re:That's too bad.... by dejitaru · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Exactly, look at the MPAA, still complaining that piracy is hurting movie ticket sales, yet records are constantly being broken

    3. Re:That's too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am sooo glad at this news. I mean my heart bled for them.

      I got very depressed watched those poor, poor musicians drug that red carpet in little more than rags looking sad. And those producers in those tired old suits.

      Now they can make some real money.

    4. Re:That's too bad.... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 0

      Exactly.

      The piracy line is complete bullshit. They *never* list piracy in their financial statements but yet they try to make claims about "losses."

    5. Re:That's too bad.... by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

      now they can't blame piracy for poor sales.

      They will anyway, the music industry cant never make "enough" profit

      Absolutely right. No matter how much money they make, it will never be enough. They will always claim they are making less than they should be making due to (a) Piracy (b) YouTube (c) Streaming services (d) Some other reason. It's always someone else's fault that they aren't making as much money as they think they should.

    6. Re:That's too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      box office records are constantly being broken because inflation knows no bounds.

    7. Re:That's too bad.... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      The reason they can get away with it is because copyright law explicitly allows you to include imaginary sales in the damages calculation. FWIW.

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    8. Re:That's too bad.... by srmalloy · · Score: 1

      Absolutely right. No matter how much money they make, it will never be enough. They will always claim they are making less than they should be making due to (a) Piracy (b) YouTube (c) Streaming services (d) Some other reason. It's always someone else's fault that they aren't making as much money as they think they should.

      The Music And Film Industry Association of America (MAFIAA) won't be satisfied until they can make individuals pay each time they experience a music or film performance, even if it's just remembering a performance.

    9. Re:That's too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But not their taxes... which makes the imaginary sales damages even more bull.

    10. Re:That's too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't have it both ways...

    11. Re:That's too bad.... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      until they can make individuals pay each time they experience a music or film performance

      That is the desire, and what they receive out of subscriptions. Personally, I want my own music, played how I want, when I want, without reporting back to someone what I was playing. It's none of their business if I like "Kookaburra" 10 times a day.

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    12. Re:That's too bad.... by Tharkkun · · Score: 0

      now they can't blame piracy for poor sales.

      They will anyway, the music industry cant never make "enough" profit

      Absolutely right. No matter how much money they make, it will never be enough. They will always claim they are making less than they should be making due to (a) Piracy (b) YouTube (c) Streaming services (d) Some other reason. It's always someone else's fault that they aren't making as much money as they think they should.

      Technically they are correct though. If you pirate an album the artist doesn't get paid. If you watch a video off a stream that isn't official or VEVO then the ad revenue doesn't go back to the artist. So again they aren't getting paid. If you don't want to pay for the music then why are you listening to it? There's no rational that justifies this today.

    13. Re:That's too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So extending your thinking to after-market sales at the used CD store, do the artists also deserve a cut of these sales?

    14. Re:That's too bad.... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Of course, you are completely right, and the law doesn't even pretend that they are real. But that is how congress made the law, and the xxAA would be foolish to not take advantage of it.

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    15. Re:That's too bad.... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Also include:

      If I loan my CD to my brother or my best friend to listen does the artist deserve a "usage fee" ?

    16. Re:That's too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They will anyway, the music industry cant never make "enough" profit

      Can't never? So they can ever make enough profit. That's good to know.

    17. Re: That's too bad.... by thundercattt · · Score: 1

      Here's the issue. When we bought CDs, tapes you KNEW it was going to be good. 2000s was mostly a CD of 2-3 hits, rest of the cd was rubbish. So once MP3 came out people just loaded the 3 hits and tossed the rest. Put out good products and people will buy. This was proved by Nine Inch Nails. Offering"pay what you want". Many people paid 1 penny for the cd, listened to it, then went back and bought it again for $20,$30,$50 to support the artist. He actually did VERY well using this model.

    18. Re:That's too bad.... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      If you watch a video off a stream that isn't official...the ad revenue doesn't go back to the artist.

      Then that's piracy. But also, they are due performance royalties for the stream regardless of whether they get any ad revenue.

    19. Re:That's too bad.... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Precedent on that was officially set long ago when video rental stores were sued by Hollywood. First sale rights extend to the copyrighted material. Loaning material constitutes transferring ownership temporarily.

    20. Re:That's too bad.... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      They're singing to the profit, "Never gonna give you up"

    21. Re:That's too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they would prefer, I can stop listening all together and limit my exposure to bars. I'm quite happy with most music that was composed before Steamboat Willie. There are also a surprising number of people who are willing to make modern performances of those works available to the public domain. There are even more people willing to share their original music on copyleft terms.

      Wait... when was the last time I bothered listening to something published by the MAFIAA? I guess I did limit my exposure to bars come to think of it. And that music makes my brain hurt.

      So yeah, the MAFIAA can go to hell every time they falsely claim copyright on something using a DMCA takedown, because that's my only dog in this really.

    22. Re:That's too bad.... by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Well, I bet they could include the imaginary sales as profit, then the piracy as loss.

      It'd kill their margins though.

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    23. Re:That's too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't never, really?

    24. Re: That's too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What about the inflation adjusted figures constantly being broken?

    25. Re:That's too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They never had any good data to back anything up. The music industry has never suffered, even remotely. They've only ever felt threatened so they lash out like a feral cat cornered.

    26. Re:That's too bad.... by tomhath · · Score: 1

      Sure they can. Without piracy they might be collecting two or three times as much from streaming services. Who knows? Not you or me.

      My problem with the music industry is that most music being sold today is terrible. And get off my lawn.

    27. Re:That's too bad.... by St.Creed · · Score: 1

      A lot of the music in the charts is horrible. However, there's also loads of bands making great music right now. For every 10 crap songs I hear, there's also that one band that suddenly pops up with a great song. Twenty One Pilots recently.

      99% of everything is crap. But with hindsight we forget Rick Astley and... well, maybe not. But we overcame Wham. And Vanilla Ice. And the lambada.

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    28. Re:That's too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...after they paid so much for it.

      captcha: burglars (!)

    29. Re:That's too bad.... by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

      The Music And Film Industry Association of America (MAFIAA) won't be satisfied until they can make individuals pay an increasing amount each time they experience a music or film performance, even if it's just remembering a performance.

      Fixed that for you, can't forget about inflation eating into their profits.

    30. Re:That's too bad.... by lgw · · Score: 1

      you watch a video off a stream that isn't official or VEVO then the ad revenue doesn't go back to the artist.

      ContentID says you're wrong.

      If you don't want to pay for the music then why are you listening to it?

      I'm not listening to it, I'm watching the sexy girl dance. The music is just what she's dancing to.

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    31. Re:That's too bad.... by murdocj · · Score: 1

      So you want them to pay taxes on money they never received?

      Think of it this way: if someone stole a bunch of CDs from one of their warehouses, would you want them to pay tax on that like the CDs were sold??

    32. Re:That's too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a stupid way to think of it. Try to think of an analogy that does not involve real theft of actual property.

    33. Re:That's too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not? We were expected to pay a tax for 'media' blank cds vs 'data' blank cds because it was assumed 'media' blank cds would be used for situations where copyright infringement could be reasonable if not successfully argued in civil court. I am expected to pay a higher price for blanks (taxed) because of the assumption I'll infringe copyright so why aren't they expected to pay a higher prices (taxes) because of the assumption they didn't make a sale due to the same phenomenon?

      Or we could go about this another way: Not charge the company tax for the warehouse theft and not assume blank media will be used for copyright infringement? Seems to me to be fair - the tax is not fair to the 'company' in your example in exactly the same way the tax is not fair to the customer. After all, the 'company' would have just as much reason to 'buy data disks and use them for media' as a company would have reason to 'claim a warehouse theft'.

      You might say 'well, it is harder to hide fraud on a large scale like burning down a warehouse or hiring the mafia to 'rob' you'. However, business has to accept that difference of scale - easier to control things sure, but the cost being 'too big to... fly under the radar'... Can't have it both ways.

      captcha: falsely

    34. Re:That's too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They still can, these sales figures aren't that much better than the height of the piracy scare

      They can also keep lying to everyone about how much they skim off it before the precious artists see any

    35. Re:That's too bad.... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Insatiable psychopathic greed means they never have enough and always want more, no matter how much they already have. More profits, more young and desperate people to abuse, more public ego stroking and worship, the ability to consume more and more and more (more bigger mansions, more bigger yachts, more bigger private jets, no limits on the pollution they can generate ever, burn more and more and more).

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    36. Re:That's too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that is how congress made the law, and the xxAA would be foolish to not take advantage of it.

      Of course they would take advantage of it, they paid good money to get those laws.

    37. Re:That's too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      box office records are constantly being broken because inflation knows no bounds.

      Which underscores the point that people are willing to pay yet more to see a movie, piracy notwithstanding; i.e. records are constantly being broken.

    38. Re:That's too bad.... by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      So you want them to pay taxes on money they never received?

      Think of it this way: if someone stole a bunch of CDs from one of their warehouses, would you want them to pay tax on that like the CDs were sold??

      If they received compensation for said losses then fucking right they should pay the tax on that amount.

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    39. Re:That's too bad.... by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Technically they are correct though. If you pirate an album the artist doesn't get paid. If you watch a video off a stream that isn't official or VEVO then the ad revenue doesn't go back to the artist. So again they aren't getting paid. If you don't want to pay for the music then why are you listening to it? There's no rational that justifies this today.

      If you watch a video on an official source or not, do the set dressers, or camera people, or lighting people or anyone other than the 'artist' get paid again? Why should the 'artist' get paid every time. We should extend it to everyone. Every time you cook in your oven you should have to pay a fee, who gives a fuck if its already been paid for? These so called 'artists' think they can just pump out turd after turn and get paid more and more. Especially the ones that are little more than a pair or tits shaking about to cover the vast lack of any actual talent. Thing is though, its not even about the 'artists'. It's the labels who want paying again and fuck everyone else.

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    40. Re:That's too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just generally lousy music. Rock is bland, country the same old twangy shit. Classical is just rehash of rehash. Jazz is still noise.
      I would say the musicians are better, the recordings better, the sound equipment better, etc.
      All that is needed is better music

    41. Re:That's too bad.... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If I don't buy an album, the artist doesn't get paid. It doesn't matter why I don't buy it. I may not have the money, or I might not want to spend the money on an album I haven't listened to. The question the industry should be asking is how they can induce me to buy, not how to prevent me from listening if I don't buy. The answers to these questions are normally different. Many people pirate far more than they could afford, so after a certain amount of piracy the artists weren't going to get paid anyway. Many people pirate to see if they like something before they buy, and would spend less on music if they couldn't pirate, and so stopping piracy may reduce the number of albums purchased.

      As far as the rationale goes, here's one: Music is worth something, so more copies of music is worth more than fewer. It's possible to increase the planetary wealth very slightly by making more copies of music. If the pirate wasn't going to pay for the music anyway, for whatever reason, there's no effect on the legitimate economy because of the piracy or lack of same. Therefore, it's good to pirate music you want if you wouldn't have paid for it anyway.

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    42. Re:That's too bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you mean population growth

  2. FUCK the RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    FU, make some good music and I might buy it. Else, fuck you RIAA nazis.

    1. Re:FUCK the RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FU, make some good music and I might buy it. Else, fuck you RIAA nazis.

      Ah, nothing like blaming the landlord when your slice of hot apple pie is served cold at your favorite restaurant.

      Good luck with that, idiot.

    2. Re:FUCK the RIAA by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      if the entertainment cartel thugs didn't crush some artists even as they chose who to pimp, if they didn't use government goons to kick in doors for their agenda of terrorism, if they didn't act as monopoly....why you might have a point.

    3. Re:FUCK the RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the product isn't worth buying then just don't download it. Problem solved.

    4. Re:FUCK the RIAA by gnick · · Score: 1

      FU, make some good music and I might buy it.

      If you think that no piece of music available is "good" enough to buy, the problem may not be with the music.

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    5. Re:FUCK the RIAA by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      and they still kick in the wrong door of person who isn't downloading. they still have politicians in their pocket who make laws that cost even those not their customers. problem remains.

    6. Re:FUCK the RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't, but then they scream that sales are down because of piracy and then use that as justification when they lobby for more draconian copyright laws.

    7. Re:FUCK the RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if the entertainment cartel thugs didn't crush some artists even as they chose who to pimp, if they didn't use government goons to kick in doors for their agenda of terrorism, if they didn't act as monopoly....why you might have a point.

      If it didn't take a fucking army of sound engineers, mixers, and software developers in order to make some douchebag's autotuned voice palatable while sampling another dozen artists work under the guise of a background beat, there might be a product worth listening to and even paying money for.

    8. Re:FUCK the RIAA by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      the artist that doesn't use those are one of the kind they crush

    9. Re:FUCK the RIAA by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      FU, make some good music and I might buy it. Else, fuck you RIAA nazis.

      Ah, nothing like blaming the landlord when your slice of hot apple pie is served cold at your favorite restaurant.

      Good luck with that, idiot.

      Yeah, well when the landlord is claiming to be the arbiter of all pies and he should get the money before distributing it to the pie makers then sure.

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  3. Blame It On The Rain! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or Napsta!

    Admission: I used Napster. Once. Got a trashed track. Left. Stayed with the clean usenet alt.* binaries. Got many trashed tracks, but did not have to run crap server software.

  4. Which do you want? Control or profit? by H3lldr0p · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Re: YouTube not paying enough.

    Pick one of the above. You can't have both, you can't pick both. You get to exert an outsized control over the medium which is going to cost much of that profit in the form of maintaining the outsized control. People are clever and will figure out ways around automated filters and counters for no other reason than because they can. It's a challenge to overcome. Countering that takes time, effort, and most importantly money.

    Or you can give up the outsized control and get the profit from the views on your "channel" or whatever self-organization YT comes up with next. That's the way it works. You can try making your own streaming platform, but I'm fairly certain we all know how that's going to work out. Complaining about it isn't going to change anything.

    The record labels, hell, the media business in general had all the warnings that their world was changing and they had best get along with it. But those in charge stuck their heads in the sand and ignored it. This is the result.

    1. Re:Which do you want? Control or profit? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Complaining about it isn't going to change anything.

      Most likely complaining loudly enough will give them a bigger royalty payment.

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    2. Re:Which do you want? Control or profit? by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      The music business will be dead again soon enough. They effectively have six (or so) customers now: Apple, Amazon, Google, Spotify and a handful of other companies. Half are Giants, and half don't make a profit. How long will the labels really be able to make a profit given the pressure that will naturally crush a commodity product?

    3. Re:Which do you want? Control or profit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a "rapists are going to rape so you may as well let them do it" kind of argument. If it's not yours then don't touch it.

    4. Re:Which do you want? Control or profit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ownership of ideas and creative output is not innate. It is created by society to give a financial incentive to create those things. There is no innate line. You (horrible) analogy is a fallacious strawman.

    5. Re:Which do you want? Control or profit? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      The labels will be dead. Those 6 customers will be the music business and artists will sell directly to them. BMI and ASCAP aren't going anywhere, though, because they handle royalties for songs in movies and TV shows.

    6. Re:Which do you want? Control or profit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is entirely the matter at stake. No one is complaining about the law, they think the law is fine, and no one at the MAFIAA is dumb enough to even try formulating a law that would require Google to police copyrights. It would run counter to centuries of jurisprudence, give Google more power over the MAFIAA copyrights, and also shut down most distribution channels. No, they are only complaining about money, and talking about YouTube's profits when everyone knows YT operates in the red. This is a money grab, pure and simple.

    7. Re:Which do you want? Control or profit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Re: YouTube not paying enough.

      Wait, what?

      Did you just put part of your post in the subject field and write the subject in the post instead?

      Why?!

  5. Thank god! by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 1


    I was so worried about the poor RIAA.

    Profits are up? woohoo they've survived high speed tape cassette dubbing! -err I mean the latest copying technology/piracy.

    Safe in this newfound knowledge I can sleep well again.

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  6. They've always cried wolf by dhaen · · Score: 2
    I still occasionally play vinyl that I purchased in the 60's onwards. It's amusing to see the paper sleeves printed "home taping is illegal and it's killing music".

    Things happen in cycles - there's no steady state - unfortunately the negative always makes better news than the positive. Glad this positive made some news channels, although I suspect the record industry would rather have kept it quiet - spread the doom and gloom.

    1. Re:They've always cried wolf by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      One of the RIAA slaves group, I mean music band, even made a song about it.

    2. Re:They've always cried wolf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still occasionally play vinyl that I purchased in the 60's onwards. It's amusing to see the paper sleeves printed "home taping is illegal and it's killing music".

      A while back I was going through some old magazines and came across a copy of 'Modern Recording' (a trade magazine for recording studios) from 1981.

      It had an article about how the RIAA was complaining about people recording their friend's albums onto cassette tapes, rather than buying the album, and were trying to figure out what to do about it. So they commissioned a study which they hoped could be used to convince congress to pass new laws to help them out. Unfortunately (for the RIAA) the study showed that people who owned cassette decks bought 75% more albums than people who didn't.

    3. Re:They've always cried wolf by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately (for the RIAA) the study showed that people who owned cassette decks bought 75% more albums than people who didn't.

      When the RIAA heard of the concept of "try before you buy" they wanted to charge money for the free samples, too.

  7. Youtube is a Modern Radio / MTV by Luthair · · Score: 1

    The record industry clearly sees Youtube as a value advertising mechanism or they wouldn't be uploading every video they make to Youtube. As for the rest, they're essentially adding a new revenue stream by monetizing home video.

    1. Re:Youtube is a Modern Radio / MTV by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

      The record industry clearly sees Youtube as a value advertising mechanism or they wouldn't be uploading every video they make to Youtube.

      Remember when Viacom sued YouTube and then it was revealed that many of the videos Viacom was suing over were actually uploaded by . . . Viacom.

      Good times, good times.

    2. Re:Youtube is a Modern Radio / MTV by decipher_saint · · Score: 1

      The number of VEVO channels are in the Top 100 says everything

      http://socialblade.com/youtube...

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    3. Re:Youtube is a Modern Radio / MTV by Tharkkun · · Score: 1

      The record industry clearly sees Youtube as a value advertising mechanism or they wouldn't be uploading every video they make to Youtube. As for the rest, they're essentially adding a new revenue stream by monetizing home video.

      You realize radio stations and tv need to license or receive approval to play music? It's not like they can just grab any album and play it over the radio.

    4. Re:Youtube is a Modern Radio / MTV by Luthair · · Score: 1

      I do, I also realize it is not the recording industry that grants the licenses nor does the recording artist doesn't profit from it only the songwriter. More importantly Youtube is the broadcast medium, not the broadcaster.

    5. Re:Youtube is a Modern Radio / MTV by omnichad · · Score: 1

      it is not the recording industry that grants the licenses

      ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC may not be the recording industry, but they are definitely part of the music industry. Songwriter profits from that indirectly, but the owner of the specific recording also gets a cut.

    6. Re:Youtube is a Modern Radio / MTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A licensed station CAN just grab any album and play it. No approval required. The licenses are statutory, labels can not set terms or refuse.

  8. Strange business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder why they still charge for crappy MP3s but have HD videos on Youtube?
    They should be giving the MP3s away and selling DVDs with HD concerts in 6.1 surround sound.
    (and stopping Youtube from ripping them off)
    But that would require production values.

    The MP3 is just a taste, the best sound and whole story is what you want to buy.
    But then if the "buyers" are using wireless ear buds, how much quality are they really looking for?

  9. Re:This kind of shit is why I'm immigrating to NH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Hillary Clinton is elected president, I'm leaving the U.S. and moving to Vermont.

  10. Only Bandcamp by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    I bought an album from Bandcamp. That's as far as I go.

  11. The Music Industry Has Always Complained... by crunchygranola · · Score: 4, Insightful

    About is profits, and about the latest music distribution technology - this goes back to the days when the music industry made money by selling sheet music, and faced the threat of wax cylinders, player piano rolls, then radio play, etc.

    Back in the 1990s, when profits were at a (then) all time high, due to people replacing their LP and cassette collections with CDs, the industry was complaining about piracy and got a tax on blank CDs imposed, a straight up subsidy for a highly profitable industry based on zero evidence.

    There has never been a new music distribution technology that was not claimed to be a threat to the industry's profits. Another eternal verity - every profit peak is taken to be the "natural" profit level that only despicable piracy could be responsible for eroding.

    Actually it is worse than that. The growth rate ramping up to the peak is claimed to be the "natural" state of the industry and year-after-year perpetual profit growth is "normal" and any reduction is due to those nefarious pirates. (And now direct music sales! The horror! Musicians selling music direct to fans! This must not be allowed to grow!)

    But an industry whose revenue is due entirely to controlling access to the creativity of other people is like that.

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    1. Re:The Music Industry Has Always Complained... by Solandri · · Score: 1

      For those of us who were kids in the 1970s and 1980s, the brouhaha about piracy over the Internet was act 2. We got to experience act 1 when the recording industry went after cassette tapes as facilitating piracy because they enabled you to record songs off the radio, or make your own mix tapes which you could then hand out to friends. My sister's stereo specifically had the ability to record radio broadcasts to tape disabled because of their nonsense.

      Their paranoia and lack of forward thinking killed off DATs (digital audio tapes) through an early form of DRM. That helped launch the popularity of CDs (initially there were no such things as CD-Rs). And their greed led them to pick the worst, most bloated format possible for audio on CDs (basically completely uncompressed audio) to limit its capacity to about 1 hour of music, about the same as a double-sided LP. Of course they ended up hoisted by their own petard because this raw audio format was trivial to rip and convert into MP3.

    2. Re:The Music Industry Has Always Complained... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      You know, if you didn't start the body of your post in the subject line, it would be easier to write grammatically.

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  12. Volume sales good, profits bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually since 2009 volume sales have steadily rose. But it's the profits that have suffered. Mostly because streaming provides less profit that album sales in general. Pirating is not even that popular and as far as young people they tend to find legal ways to play content, but never actually own it. Peak profits were in early 2000s at around 15 million dollars. Today its around 6 million and shrinking. This is from RIAA sales figures.

  13. So, what's the bright side? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If there is an industry that utterly deserved to die, this was it. What do we have to look forward to now?

  14. The product isn't good, but hey... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the meantime, we've discovered alternate ways of getting music.

    RIAA Members: Instead just putting all your in the BeyonSwift artists, why not be willing to carry artists for 2 or 3 albums on your nickel until they build up a following.

    And by the way, not every artist has to sell Platinum Records to be successful.

    The way your business model is today, you'd only be willing to support the Beatles and Rolling Stones. And Jimi Hendrix wouldn't have got an album deal because he didn't fit the mould of what you think an artist needs to be.

  15. You have a funny definition of ok. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150204/07310329906/yes-major-record-labels-are-keeping-nearly-all-money-they-get-spotify-rather-than-giving-it-to-artists.shtml

  16. You can't get blood from a turnip by H3lldr0p · · Score: 1

    From what I've read, there's no money to be squeezed from YT right now. The service started in the red and has generally stayed there. Complaining will only generate so much hot air.

    If these media companies want to see YT fail and go away that is going to be akin to cutting a leg off to spite their marathon time. Of course, these are the sorts of short-sighted people that they'd do that on the wish that everything would go back to the way it was before the internet got all the kids so uppity and wanting culture to become responsive to their needs and views and not those of the shareholders and market makers.

    1. Re:You can't get blood from a turnip by Tharkkun · · Score: 1

      From what I've read, there's no money to be squeezed from YT right now. The service started in the red and has generally stayed there. Complaining will only generate so much hot air.

      If these media companies want to see YT fail and go away that is going to be akin to cutting a leg off to spite their marathon time. Of course, these are the sorts of short-sighted people that they'd do that on the wish that everything would go back to the way it was before the internet got all the kids so uppity and wanting culture to become responsive to their needs and views and not those of the shareholders and market makers.

      The problem is if I upload a Taylor Swift video to youtube and it doesn't get taken down until it hits 2 million views, there's click and ad revenue that should've gone to Taylor but instead it goes to no one. That's why the RIAA is so mad. Youtube doesn't have the manpower to police this stuff correctly so it's a lose lose situation for everyone. What will happen is soon every new video will need approval to verify it doesn't break a copyright.

    2. Re:You can't get blood from a turnip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's already the case. What do you think is happening in that "Processing" stage when you upload a video? Some channels I've watched have had plenty of videos per-emptively blocked from being uploaded because they dared to use *gasp* fair use content in their video, and Youtubes automated system incorrectly flagged it. For more fun, they had no way to contest the improper flagging.

    3. Re:You can't get blood from a turnip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What will happen is soon every new video will need approval to verify it doesn't break a copyright.

      Not even the RIAA is dumb enough to suggest this, and it is in no sense Google's responsibility, and most importantly, only the rightsholder can determine if a work is infringing. If the rightsholder has an agreement with Google to police their work, fine, but Google has no responsibility to do that for everyone, may not have the technical ability, and it would be dumb of them to try. Especially because getting the legal status of a work wrong could open them up to liability.

      Google is tightly constrained by laws already, and there is a lot of historical precedent and jurisprudence that created those laws, and putting the liability for policing copyrights onto any third party is not going to happen in this world. You note no one from the RIAA is suggesting any such thing. Instead of complaining about the law, they complain about the money. Three guesses as to what their priority is.

    4. Re:You can't get blood from a turnip by dadelbunts · · Score: 1

      Unlikely to happen. I have had videos INSTANTLY pulled for having Eurobeat songs in them. Id say they do a pretty good job pulling licensed content usually seeing as Dave Rodgers is fairly obscure and still triggered it.

    5. Re:You can't get blood from a turnip by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      What will happen is soon every new video will need approval to verify it doesn't break a copyright.

      Not even the RIAA is dumb enough to suggest this, and it is in no sense Google's responsibility, and most importantly, only the rightsholder can determine if a work is infringing.

      Excuse me, contentID is at the door, he'd like a word. It's true he misidentified the house for a similar one but you're getting the shaft anyway.

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  17. Actual Data Source Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot linked to a recode post, which linked to a medium post, which linked to an RIAA blog post which linked the actual report put out by them with the relevant numbers. To save the same minor trouble, here is the actual report that includes the numbers cited above:

    http://www.riaa.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/RIAAMidyear16.pdf

    Why oh why can't bloggers do this simple homework and link to original sources? This used to standard etiquette among the blogosphere, did it not? Anyway, you're welcome.

    1. Re:Actual Data Source Link by Lobo42 · · Score: 1

      Slashdot linked to a recode post, which linked to a medium post, which linked to an RIAA blog post which linked the actual report put out by them with the relevant numbers. To save the same minor trouble, here is the actual report that includes the numbers cited above:

      http://www.riaa.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/RIAAMidyear16.pdf

      Why oh why can't bloggers do this simple homework and link to original sources? This used to standard etiquette among the blogosphere, did it not? Anyway, you're welcome.

  18. RIAA profits are up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Artists are still being jacked. I have family in a band that has toured the states, have award winning music videos, and cut several CDs, but haven't received a fucking penny from anything but concerts.

    1. Re:RIAA profits are up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Artists are still being jacked. I have family in a band that has toured the states, have award winning music videos, and cut several CDs, but haven't received a fucking penny from anything but concerts.

      The record industry sucks. Its entire business model is based on people with no talent and who have never created anything stealing money from people who actually do create things.

      That said, the inconvenient truth is that most musician's have signed bad contracts. Musicians are so eager to get signed by a record company, they will eagerly and happily sign away all rights to their own music.

      Take, for example, the common complaint today from many musicians "my songs have been played eighty eleven gazillion times on Spotify and I got a check for $1.32"

      Well, the truth is, except for a handful of big name artists, no band or musician gets paid by Spotify or any other streaming service. They pay the record company and then the record company pays the artist, AFTER deducting any "costs" specified by their contract.. Whether its CD sales or streaming, the vast majority of musicians still don't understand that the reason they are getting so little money is because they signed a bad contract.

    2. Re:RIAA profits are up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most artist contracts still don't include payment for streaming. The label just pockets it as "extra" revenue.

    3. Re:RIAA profits are up... by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Artists are still being jacked. I have family in a band that has toured the states, have award winning music videos, and cut several CDs, but haven't received a fucking penny from anything but concerts.

      That'll be because they fucked up and signed a record deal.

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  19. Why shouldn't it get smaller? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Technology marches on. There was a time when expensive recording processes lead to expensive presses to create shellac, and then to the expensive process to record music onto cheaper-to-make tape. Without digital computers to handle all the engineering, engineers had to manually adjust the recording of a record, making the grooves wider or narrower to fit the sound being recorded as you moved toward the inner spiral; this all had to transfer to a master record, used to produce negatives which were then pressed to create records. Those eventually wore out (well, got damaged well before that), and you'd have to make more, until the original masters used to make stamping presses were no longer usable and had to be recreated.

    The same problem comes with tape: a copy of a copy loses fidelity, and the master tape eventually wears out from use, so you're using a copy of a copy of a copy (copy the master to the tape used for duplication, then duplicate from that), and the damn tapes take forever to record. The process was simpler, though, and digital mastering tapes are easily copied without error; thus you can have perfect back-ups of the master source, the final mix, and the tapes used in the duplicator to make the analog product.

    Digital electronics eventually brought CDs, which are digital, easy to duplicate perfectly, and easier to press than records and tapes. CDs are pressed into polycarbonate, then backed by aluminum foil, and lacquered to protect the foil layer. The material is cheaper and easier to handle than shellac or lacquer; recording is a pressing operation; and the masters are easier to reproduce than gramophone masters. This is a lot cheaper than tape.

    Now we have digital distribution, which costs near-nothing. Millions of dollars go into services which distribute millions of songs to millions of subscribers. Spotify has 20 million songs in its portfolio, 40 million *paying* users, over 100 million total users, and 1 billion streams per day. Spotify pays literally several million dollars for its infrastructure costs, and almost $2 billion for licensing fees. The physical cost is around a dollar per 10,000 songs streamed, or 1/100 of a cent per song.

    Tell me why they shouldn't ship more units for less revenue when their costs are now damn near nothing. The cost of music production isn't that much lower; but a $2 CD with 10 songs is still 2,000 times as expensive per song as digital distribution. It's so much more expensive that we don't even just download the damned things once; we REPEATEDLY RE-BUY THE SAME SONG BY STREAMING IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, because the cost of distributing a song is one one-hundredth of a cent and we have to buy it a hundred times to spend a penny. The fair cost, considering production cost, may be 5 cents or it may be a dollar per song; and almost 100% of that is production cost, while distribution costs nothing.

    Distribution used to carry a hefty cost. Now any moron with a $50 microphone and a laptop can record, master, and distribute his own music. If you're using digital production (Modplug Tracker), you don't even need special equipment like instruments. Why should the music industry represent the same revenue per unit shipped as it has in the past? If it did that, it would represent literally dozens of times the profit.

    1. Re:Why shouldn't it get smaller? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Why shouldn't it get smaller

      Netflix should be your answer. Smaller markets, but more of them to fill every niche.

      When the recording artist ditches the label, do you really care what replication costs are for the music? The real cost is how long it takes to sit down and write/record/mix/master it. And that's not a short amount of time. The risk has to be worth it vs. the potential reward, since you can't work your day job and be a full time artist. On the other hand, when the label takes a huge percentage, you shouldn't be surprised the cost is even higher right now.

      Distribution, like paperback books, were never the main cost to creating art.

    2. Re:Why shouldn't it get smaller? by thoughtspace · · Score: 1

      Distribution used to carry a hefty cost. Now any moron with a $50 microphone and a laptop can record, master, and distribute his own music. If you're using digital production (Modplug Tracker), you don't even need special equipment like instruments. Why should the music industry represent the same revenue per unit shipped as it has in the past? If it did that, it would represent literally dozens of times the profit.

      You try that, as a musician (even if you get 100%) you would be extremely lucky to get you $50 back.
      I costs are LOT more than that to make any music and you don't get paid a cent when writing, producing and mastering.

    3. Re:Why shouldn't it get smaller? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are talking about something different entirely. Nobody cares about how much art costs to create. You might spend a hundred million dollars making a completely worthless piece of art. In the record industry the artist wears the cost of production anyway, so far as the labels are concerned production is essentially free. Traditionally the biggest cost was distribution, these days marketing takes the biggest slice of the pie.

    4. Re:Why shouldn't it get smaller? by houghi · · Score: 1

      Why should the music industry represent the same revenue per unit shipped as it has in the past? If it did that, it would represent literally dozens of times the profit.

      Just FYI: A rhetorical question does not need an answer.

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    5. Re:Why shouldn't it get smaller? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      That was an observation, not an answer. Per-unit profit doesn't need to increase; typically the number of units shipped increases, stabilizing the market and ensuring long-term profit increases.

    6. Re:Why shouldn't it get smaller? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      On one hand, Danny Baranowsky now has several instruments, keyboards, and software synthesizers, representing thousands of dollars of gear and software he collected over several years. His musical career has grown since his early video game remixes done on old hardware and lots of cheap software.

      On the other hand, the engine for Deus Ex (2000) sources all its music from .xm files. Not rendered MP3 or Vorbis CD-quality production media; instrument samples and instructions to play them. That means you can't integrate a $35,000 KORG synthesizer, a $22,000 master board, $3,000 monitors, and all kinds of rack-mount shit into the production process. It's not physically possible, because you're not recording the output of all that shit; everything is mastered in software.

      So, yes, some folks are actually shipping music made entirely in tracker software, without even using third-party VST filters. Others have expensive rigs. There's plenty of music on Spotify that was made with nothing more than Audacity and FruityLoops--some of it's shitty, and some of it is production-quality. Across the whole range, once the music is produced, it ships for a distribution cost of $0.0001 per track.

    7. Re:Why shouldn't it get smaller? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Try PLUGGING and RECORDING in any laptop since the first acer XP to this ultimate TS 10... and NEITHER WORKS. It simply stopped working from 2009 til today, so it is not that simple of getting a lap and recording. Does anyone know here to get the digital to digital or to analog cable for the HOLE just next to the out jack in Nintendo DS/DSi consoles? The emulator does not handle sound the same way as the physical chip).

  20. Re:This kind of shit is why I'm immigrating to NH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't know if you are trying to be funny or serious.. But the ONLY state that could possibly exit the union w/o a war is legally Texas, and even that is a pretty sketchy idea that stretches the legal bounds quite a bit (given the outcome of the Civil War and all).

    So if you think you can somehow exit the union, either as a state or any other part of the sovereign territory recognized as part of the USA, without violence, I think you are sadly mistaken... Either that or the Civil War was a trumped up farce with no legal foundation or valid reason to have been waged and a few million causalities were all in vain. You do realize that the *cause* of the war was the confederate states trying to withdraw from the union that they didn't think represented their interests anymore, that they where forced to attempt to withdraw using force of arms because the Union wouldn't let them leave? (The political issue might have been slavery, but the war was over keeping the USA ONE country, not two... )

    Not to mention, there have been a number of attempts to break away from the USA, in places like Illinois which all failed, though few where put down by force of arms. So to quote from a popular song.. "Welcome to the Hotel California" where "You can check out, but you can never leave" only in this case, you can denounce your citizenship and deport yourself to Socialist Utopias like Russia if you like. Don't let the door hit you on the way out and don't be begging to come home.

  21. Re:This kind of shit is why I'm immigrating to NH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we don't need state police

    We need... government so weak it can't do shit.

    If you don't believe in violence come to New Hampshire and help us form an independent state

    And if you do believe in violence, wait until those guys have formed their little independent state, then go there and rape and pillage to your heart's content because they have no clue what's required for a society to defend itself against invasion.

  22. FTFY by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After a decade or so of blaming piracy for its own internal lack of vision, the music industry is finally looking good again since it finally embraced technology to give its customers what they want.

    1. Re:FTFY by excelsior_gr · · Score: 2

      They didn't embrace shit. They were dragged by the hair, screaming and kicking, into the internet era.

  23. I Thought... by twmcneil · · Score: 1

    I thought Cary Sherman passed on to his eternal reward a few years ago. Maybe it was just wishful thinking.

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  24. Oh thank goodness! by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    I was so worried about the people in between me and the music I like, earning their 98%.

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    rediculous.
  25. Ok for who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm guess it's back to being ok for greedy selfish cunt record label fuckers who rape artists, and not back to being "ok" for artists.

  26. Happy Birthday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since I can legally sing it now ...

    Happy Birthday tooo meeeeeee
    Happy Birthday TOOOOO meeeeeeeee.
    HAAAAPPY BIRRRRTH DAAAAY
            anonymous cooooward.
    Haaaappy Birrrrrthdaaaaaay TOOOOOOO
    MEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

  27. Observation by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

    I could be wrong, but observation shows me that there are two things at play simultaneously:

    1. The majority of the profit comes from younger individuals who [want|need] NOW. They don't tend to think of ways to hack around the bad system that makes them pay for something they shouldn't have to pay for, so their demand and "I [want|need] it NOW" mentality drives them toward the thing that gets them what they want with a payment (slews of different ways to download music and pay). Google makes it easy, Apple makes it easy. Those are the two majority OS players.

    2. The individuals generating the numbers are the same ones, or different people under the same superior. It's never okay to say "we lost but we're still alive" when it comes to superiority complexes the corp execs all suffer from, so why not issue the statement, "We are doing great, actually. Better than the last newfangled thing crazy of them CD things. Thanks!" It's a game play. Your move.

    I say generating, because there isn't any possible way that they could meet two situational criteria simultaneously without a free handout from the government (which really means you're fine, just getting income from another source); they can't be "suffering" from "pirates" and ALSO "doing wonderful" at the same time. It seems like a typical mental flapping to tell the enemy it didn't win in order to encourage the enemy to stop bothering trying to win. Either you're suffering from piracy or you're not. Government assistance overrides suffering, thus doesn't count in the argument.

    All I can really see as a possible truth is the companies/lawyers having such a scare system in place that it actually worked and only smart people that they aren't gonna outsmart remain, and that's just fine for their numbers. Or even better, perhaps they were fine the whole time and the loss of sales/income was from financial hardships of consumers which has now evened out, giving them the impression that they are fine as a result of their efforts and material; perhaps they would have been not equal but close enough to call it equal, to what would have happened if piracy hadn't consumed their attention and efforts. The economy sucked. When it sucks, you drop in numbers, too. Simple psychological reasoning, and bias as a constant, state that they may be older folks with narcissistic complexes, but "got played" themselves. i.e. There wasn't a huge problem to begin with, and now that you see what you want to, the problem seems to have lowered. Funny part is, the more you try to stop something, the more people do it and circumvent your efforts. How would those numbers look if you just left crap alone and presented new awesome stuff that people would buy when they have the means. Art, visual or auditory, is something you can't TAKE FROM PEOPLE. It's going to go on whether you're part or not.

    You only get a piece of the proverbial pie when it's the best and most economical for all in the mix. I'm talking art, FWIW.

    1. Re:Observation by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      1. The majority of the profit comes from younger individuals who [want|need] NOW. They don't tend to think of ways to hack around the bad system that makes them pay for something they shouldn't have to pay for, so their demand and "I [want|need] it NOW" mentality drives them toward the thing that gets them what they want with a payment (slews of different ways to download music and pay).

      I guess that by younger, you mean any age before retirement.
      Because yeah, active people have busy lives, and they don't want to keep track of things if they don't have to, they want convenience and are ready to pay for it, that's totally normal.
      And after so many years, the music industry finally realized the obvious. If you want to make people pay you have to offer people better service than pirates, and it means convenience.

    2. Re: Observation by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      Agree with you completely! What I meant was the young age of old enough to use a music playing device you can purchase through until about mid-late 20s where you start to appreciate your music you've listened to until that point. Certain groups excluded, the demand for buying music released yesterday drops significantly.

  28. I don't know - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...maybe they should have asked some of the musicians?

    Pretty much every musician I know, in any kind of music, is living hand-to-mouth, couch-surfing, or doing all kinds of stuff other than making music, just to continue to subsist.

  29. The numbers would be... by sudden.zero · · Score: 1

    ...even better if they included Google Play Music numbers. A lot of my friends subscribe to the Google Play Music Family plans which gives unlimited music to the subscriber and 4 family members. The problem that has been pointed out by other posters is that many people are not purchasing music anymore they are just leasing it from one of the four or five streaming services. The music industry is effectively being held up by a crutch that is "Unlimited Music Streaming" and it isn't going to get better since the Millennials love to get stuff as fast as possible. They are the instant gratification generation. I have to admit that I subscribe to Google Play Music, but I did it because all my CDs were stolen when my storage locker was broke into right after I graduated college. I decided not to repurchase most of the CDs and have been streaming ever since. I have slowly purchased some of my go to bands CDs again, but my collection will probably never reach the 1500 some odd CDs that I used to own.

  30. Allowing People to Buy? by BinBoy · · Score: 1

    Wait a second... So if you allow people to conveniently buy music in a format they'll actually use, they'll buy it? That's insane! Who could have thought that would happen?

  31. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the Music Business Looks Like It's Okay Again

    They music business has always been okay. They make billions by just being middle men and adding nothing of value.

    Being a musician on the other hand still sucks, and if you're expecting to do it for a living you're probably living in poverty. It's one of the few careers that manages to pay less than a professional artist, or even fast food service.

  32. oh thank goodness by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    >> It Took a Couple Decades, But the Music Business Looks Like It's Okay Again

    Oh thank goodness, it was a close call for a moment for all those parasite middle-men. NOT. Unfortunately.

  33. Have they stopped suing their customer base yet? by ka9dgx · · Score: 2

    Has the Record Industry wised up and stopped suing their customers yet? If so, I might start buying music again.

  34. the next step by prof_robinson · · Score: 1

    Now, we can all slap ourselves on the back for helping the big guys successfully regain control and define the music business model. Now the old labels that took advantage of their musicians and have now turned into the streaming services who take advantage of their musicians. Exposure relies on their algorithms, their accounting is always in *their* books, nobody ever seems to "own" or even know where their music is anymore, and the still musician always seems to end up with the smallest share of it all at the end of the day. It's almost like we missed a brief window of a decade where all the possibilities were there...but now we've all been corralled back into their "accepted revenue channels". Now that they can all sigh a big sigh of relief that it's all gonna work out ok for their 401ks...I think they will eventually turn their attention to all the stashes of "unlicensed media" that all of us have on our systems. And I'm betting between all of us here, that's considerable. Just a prediction...but that has to be the next step, no?

  35. Close call. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Phew, that was a close call. For a minute there I was worried humanity would stop making music.

  36. Oh, good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's always good to know. What with Nipster and the Kazaa, I had been worried about that.

    Beiber shall reign supreme forever!