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World's First Baby Born With New '3 Parent' Technique (newscientist.com)
A five-month-old baby boy has been revealed as the first kid in the world with three biological parents, reports New Scientist. The baby boy was apparently conceived by a technique that has been legally approved in the UK, and lets parents with genetic disorders have healthy babies. Though, the method used in this particular cases was slightly different from one legalized in the UK. From the report: Zhang (a doctor) took a different approach, called spindle nuclear transfer. He removed the nucleus from one of the mother's eggs and inserted it into a donor egg that had had its own nucleus removed. The resulting egg -- with nuclear DNA from the mother and mitochondrial DNA from a donor -- was then fertilised with the father's sperm. Zhang's team used this approach to create five embryos, only one of which developed normally. This embryo was implanted in the mother and the child was born nine months later. "It's exciting news," says Bert Smeets at Maastricht University in the Netherlands. The team will describe the findings at the American Society for Reproductive Medicine's Scientific Congress in Salt Lake City in October.
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if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
Are you sure Zhang isn't an auto mechanic?
>> "It's exciting news," says Bert Smeets
I REALLY don't get how making more humans (even wierd hybrids) is meant to be somehow self-evidently always a good thing.
It takes a village...
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
And then eat your brains. You should find a good place to hide Mr. Doctorman.
Hardly fair to call the baby malicious names even if you disapprove of this medical technique. If you must; bash the doctor and the parents, but the baby is innocent in this.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
He called it a monster because he's terrified of it. He's afraid of a baby.
There is more demand for adopting babies than babies available. It can be a challenge.
Now older kids... they get the short end of the stick, very few people want to adopt an older child; part of that is that they often come with emotional and mental challenges due to being orphans and passed around without a real home for much of their childhood... and not getting adopted adds to that.
If someone wants a baby, it may be easier to get medical help than adopt. You could say they should adopt one of the older children available for adoption instead... and that would be nice but some parent's aren't willing to adopt a troubled older child rather than start with a clean slate who they can mould into their own child.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
That doesn't bother me near like what articles like this: "Europe needs many more babies to avert a population disaster" https://amp.theguardian.com/wo...
World wide we have a shitload of extra people that would love to have a job. It's not necessary to go oh crap we aren't going to have enough people in 20 years because that is NOT what's happening. Just increase immigration to compensate and better outcomes for all.
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Congratulations, Ms Singh, your newborn child has been engineered to be superior in every way. And yes, 'Khan' is an excellent name.
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I think you kind of missed the point, which is that this lets them pass on most of their genes without passing on their hereditary disorder....
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since it was his creation.
While people who adopt are doing the world a service, but that doesn't mean that having children of one's own is doing the world a disservice. If you're going to call anyone selfish and sickening, perhaps the adults who bring children into the world that they can't or won't care for should be first on your list.
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Right?
I remember reading about how when test-tube babies came out, people called them horrible names like this.
Now it's socially accepted and the insult-spewing hate-filled people like the AC are silent. And they were on the wrong side of history, btw.
Now fast forward a few decades. Three-parent babies will be more common, and socially acceptable.
And this guy will have diverted his attention so some other new thing to be cruel about, like troglodytes usually do.
There's millions of kids in this world who need adopting. How about they try that instead of passing on their hereditary disorders and polluting the gene pool even further.
Respect other's choice. Not everyone like to adopt other's children.
WTF are you talking about?
Demand FAR exceeds supply in adoption. You haven't even bothered to learn the slightest thing about it before jumping to your insulting conclusion.
Seriously, shave the neck beard, say goodbye to mom's basement. Learn something. Live your life. Go outside for god's sake and quit filling the Internet with your lunacy and shameful behavior.
This feels very narcissistic to me. I realize that if I were in the position of the parents I would want the same thing. However, you can't always have what you want (nor should you). Stop being selfish (needing your "damaged" genes to propagate) and let nature take its course in keeping the specie's gene pool healthy. There are plenty of children that need to be adopted. Raise one of them, and accept they won't be propagating your genes but they will be propagating your values. I think we're evolved enough to do that aren't we?
There is more demand for adopting babies than babies available.
Indeed. My wife and I looked into adoption, and we were told it would be a long arduous and expensive process, and in the end we would probably be rejected because of my age (50+). So we got a dog instead.
Hardly fair to call the baby malicious names even if you disapprove of this medical technique.
The same thing happened back in 1978, when Louise Brown was born. Today everyone accepts IVF as routine. This time will be the same: The first baby is on the front page, the 2nd baby is mentioned on page 6, and the 3rd baby is ignored.
Just increase immigration to compensate and better outcomes for all.
RTFA. This procedure is illegal in the USA, so the parents went to Mexico. This baby IS an immigrant.
As the one thing we're running out of is people (adoptable trash need not apply).
One thing that needs excised from DNA is the lizard-brained drive to spread our bloodline above all else, damned be the cost or consequence.
So people cursed with infertility should also be saddled with the responsibility of adopting the world's orphans? Think a bit more about the terrible insult that you are lobbing at people with a medical problem that is more stressful then terminal illness.
Is everyone who has children as 'selfish bastard' ? Or only the people with a reproductive medical problem?
Agreed.
I do believe, however, that those with the resources and need to conceive a child through artificial means should also have the responsibility to adopt a child in need (for when they are ready to care for a second child), or at a minimum to make a generous donation to help children in need.
> Just increase immigration to compensate and better outcomes for all.
Yeah because look how well that worked out for Germany and France. NOT.
The resulting egg -- with nuclear DNA from the mother and mitochondrial DNA from a donor
Popular donor, Luke Skywalker will be.
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That's a heck of a way to have a three-way. Doesn't sound like it's as much fun though...
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Wow thats crazy!
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Yes, a lot of work went in, but ultimately, all of the *significant* genetic material came from two parents. Passing on your mitochondrial DNA doesn't do anything to really shape your offspring (unless your mitochondrial DNA is just *really* messed up). Now if the donor egg somehow had defective Mitocondrial DNA, ok, this is at least somewhat useful.
But pretending this offspring has three equally biological parents is disingenuous.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Not sure what you're referring to exactly. Here in the US the example often provided is remember what happened to the native americans (aka indians)?
No it didn't work out well at all which is partly why every country AFAIK has their own immigration system to limit the number of additional people moving in from other countries.
but if you need an extra 30,000 300,000 people a year it's pretty easy to just let them in and you get to cherry pick who you let in for the skills you want backgrounds whatever.
I really don't like how the current system is not enforced in the US as the song goes "come to the USA there's no penalty to pay should you get caught illegally immigratin"
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So is "Darwin" just a scientific challenge or your God? Because your words betray you.
The children with no parents are not the fault of the parents who want to start a baby from scratch - keep the blame with the parents that abandoned them.
Just increase immigration to compensate and better outcomes for all.
Maybe, or it could me a worse outcome for all. I won't talk about race, race has been more or less scientifically proven to be a not a real thing. While there may be some clustering toward the lower and upper bounds of the normal range for various characteristics in some populations its not big enough to be relevant.
Culture on the other hand is. Europe has had a huge problem with 'multiculturalism' you can't allow just any immigrants to show up and form ghettos. Its curcial to recognize and value ones one culture and probably ones national identity. I am all for legal immigration but the people who come here (speaking as an American) so do so because they want to be Americans, not ${former nationality}-Americans, no ${former continent}-Americans, or ${ethnic-population}-Americans but just plain simple Americans. I am all for freedom of religion and am okay with whatever they want to do inside their homes, or at their meeting place on ${Weekday} or if they don't want to ${food item} etc. In general though they need to join the rest of secular society, see the same movies, talk about the same sports, eat most of the same foods, date people no from their orign group, etc. Its simply wrong to place equal value on other cultures. Western civilization is superior its brought like to a dark world that other cultures frankly have not made lasting contributions to in terms of thought and ideas since before the fall of Rome.
'We' as individuals are not better than 'them' but 'we' as a culture certainly are. If 'they' want to immigrate grate as long as their desire is to be like us. If its to come here or to Western Europe just to live in Little-${whatver} but collect a bigger public assistance check than is available back home, no we should not want them and we should not let them come. Recently cultural appropriation has been branded a bad thing. Its not its great thing, imitation is the highest form of flattery! Cultural appropriation is in fact the correct and proper way to value other cultures. You recognize what is best about them and perhaps better than our traditional way and adopt it! That is the melting pot model, we take the best ideas from everywhere and made them our own! Everyone should be welcome who wants to add and integrate. Unfortunately this idea that we have to allow them to instead replace, in the name of respect has taken hold.
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Now all the usual forms and databases are going to have to be reworked. And they may not stop at 3 parents, so design it for many parents.
Next the baby will be able to be its own parent, creating recursion. You go to print out a family tree, and get a Stack Overflow error.
Table-ized A.I.
Okay, this may be the world's first baby, but there are apparently 30-50 teenagers with three parents.
The girl with three biological parents
The technique was pioneered in the late 1990s, but then the US FDA said "please cut it out", and as far as we know everyone did.
So, yes, the future looks bright for this new baby, given that several dozen other beneficiaries of this technique seem to be doing quite well in their teenage years...
I don't know. Please explain.
Is the baby fixed so it's reproduction will be normal or will it be unable to have children safely?
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
Lots of government preprinted forms might need replacing. :-)
This will cost us a fortune.
As for the Subject, in this case, Inigo Montoya, it really is.
> Not sure what you're referring to exactly.
The 3 million immigrants that Merkel let in and subsequent massive rise in rape and other crime in Germany, The islamic terrorist attacks (most usually by recent immigrants) in cities all over the EU, most notably Paris. The way that islamic immigrants are not integrating at all into their host countries and are instead forming their own Sharia-law ghettos in in cities like Tolouse (FR), Brimingham (UK), Amsterdam (NL), and have stated their objectives are to stay separate and overrun/take-over their host countries through massive population growth.
1. The article says that this is a Jordanian couple who sought treatment from U.S. doctors, and that the U.S. doctors chose to perform their work in Mexico.
2. The article doesn't suggest that anyone was an immigrant anywhere (def'n: "a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country.). People appear to have temporarily traveled to do stuff, then returned to their respective homes. So, the baby is an immigrant to where? The parents' home country? Because?
3. Finally, there's this little thing called citizenship by birth, which the not terribly reliable but readable-by-non-arabic-speaking-me source suggests is automatic for this child. Your own country, by definition, is not a foreign country, which means that you cannot be an immigrant to it. Similarly, for a child born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent in wedlock, odds are pretty good that they're already a U.S. citizen, falling on the "Nationality" side of the Immigration and Nationality Act.
There is more demand for adopting babies than babies available. It can be a challenge.
Now older kids... they get the short end of the stick, very few people want to adopt an older child; part of that is that they often come with emotional and mental challenges due to being orphans and passed around without a real home for much of their childhood... and not getting adopted adds to that.
If someone wants a baby, it may be easier to get medical help than adopt. You could say they should adopt one of the older children available for adoption instead... and that would be nice but some parent's aren't willing to adopt a troubled older child rather than start with a clean slate who they can mould into their own child.
That depends on where you are talking about. While there may be a shortage of babies in the West, there ain't such a shortage in Asia i.e. China, India, et al. So GP makes a valid point. In this story, the parents in question are Jordanian. There is no shortage of Syrian orphans in Jordan that they could have picked from. But then again, adoption is a practice that was ended by Mohammed in Islam, so that's probably out the window.
One in the slit, one in the shit.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Going to a hospital is Darwin's way of telling you to get out of the way of the more fit individuals.
It's Adam and Eve, not Adam, Eve, and Susan!
So, the baby is an immigrant to where?
No, the baby is not an immigrant. I was making a joke. The GPP's suggestion that families desiring healthy children should instead just support a more permissive immigration policy is so patently absurd that I didn't think it deserved a serious answer.
30 year old woman to boyfriend: I want to get married and have a baby. ... or we could just make a campaign contribution to Angela Merkel.
Boyfriend: Sure, we could do that
Woman: Okay, that would be fine, the end result is the same per capita GDP, and that's all that matters.
Now we're going to have to come up with a love song for that.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Congratulations to the mother, the other mother, the dad, Zhang and his team! Avoiding disorders with prophylactic genetic techniques heralds a brave new world of making a better person. This is the greatest science story of the year. It changes everything - it can change our fate as a species.
RE: In general though they need to join the rest of secular society, see the same movies, talk about the same sports, eat most of the same foods, date people no from their orign group,
Why do you hate America and its values?
Should we deport all the Amish? Orthodox and Hasidim Jews? Moral majority-style Christians? Mormons? Devout Muslims?
I agree some cultures are better than others, but you have American culture quite wrong.
The things we should share in common are respect for the law, right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, understanding of inalienable rights, and so on. Take some civics classes or something.
The sports and movies and (presumably) TV trash you are talking about is absolutely unnecessary to partake to be a good American. Shame on you, and learn to love what this country is actually about.
ironic captcha; idealism
I'm German and live partly in France.
What exactly do you mean?
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The 3 million immigrants that Merkel let in and subsequent massive rise in rape and other crime in Germany,
Germany has 80 million inhabitants.
If Merkel "had let in" 3 Millions that would be roughly 5% of the original population, in other words for 100 Germans there suddenly would be 5 "strangers"
You must be able to suck on your middle finger and make a smart face and figure by your self that this idea is ABSURD.
Where ever you got that number from, I suggest to burn that newspaper.
The islamic terrorist attacks (most usually by recent immigrants) in cities all over the EU, most notably Paris.
First of all: there where like 4 during the last 5 years. So: not really a threat.
Secondly: the attacks where not done by immigrants. But by citizens of foreign background.
There are no immigrants coming to Europe, waving with a $1000 note and calling: 'where can I buy a gun?', and then running around killing people. You are an idiot!
have stated their objectives are to stay separate and overrun/take-over their host countries through massive population growth.
Citation needed Ooops, did I really say that?
How do you think it is mathematically possible that a minority of 3% to 5% can grow quickly in a reasonable time that it out grows and over takes the rest of the 95% - 97% of the population? Considering that only half of those 3% - 5% are women and actually can bear children and considering that pregnancy takes a 9 months and considering that none of the women will have more than lets say max 5 children (from which again only half are women and they need min. 14 years to be pregnant themselves?) ?
Considering that the rest of those 95% more or less keep a constant total number, the total population has to double that the "enemy" is even on par. That takes roughly 300 years. Do you really think in 300 years islamic immigrants still are following Islam or that they rather sit in a space station around Mars and watch the Pleade storm? Or if they still follow Islam (like the stupid Christians follow the Pope): does that still mean they want to conquer the world?
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that we should bring another woman into the bedroom. It's in the service of science!
A five-month-old baby boy has been revealed as the first kid in the world with three biological parents
> Where ever you got that number from, I suggest to burn that newspaper.
Germany let in 884.9 thousand in 2014 and over 2 million immigrants in 2015 alone. Those are the EU's own figures. Go suck your own finger.
> First of all: there where like 4 during the last 5 years. So: not really a threat.
Tell that to the families of the 12 people who died during the Charlie Hebdo attack, or the 130 that died and the 368 (80â"99 critically) injured November 2015 attack. Fucking insensitive wanker.
> How do you think it is mathematically possible that a minority of 3% to 5% can grow quickly in a reasonable time that it out grows and over takes the rest of the 95% - 97% of the population?
I don't but that's what they are trying for.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...
The EU let in 900,000 in 2014 and over 2 million in 2015, not Germany.
You are an idiot.
So that Germany had 2 million immigrants the EU would need to have something like 40 million to 80 million, even you must figure: that can not be right ...
FYI: I'm german ...
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> The EU let in 900,000 in 2014 and over 2 million in 2015, not Germany.
Wrong.
http://www.dw.com/en/two-milli...
> You are an idiot.
Are you gonna apologise since clearly you're the one who is wrong?
> FYI: I'm german ...
That just makes your ignorance worse, since its your country.
What's wrong with natural selection? Let the strong survive.
Self-importance and self-indulgence is the root of ALL evil.
No, I don't apologize.
You are an idiot.
Germany has not 2 million immigrates in a single year. Where would we place them? Again: 2M immigration in a single year, that is one person per 40 citizens, that is a bit more than 2 per 100. You would simply see them on the street!!! That is a no brainer. The city would be "full with them".
https://de.statista.com/themen...
http://www.zeit.de/politik/aus...
OTOH we have numbers like this, same magazine :D
http://www.zeit.de/politik/deu...
Which support your claim but subtract the emigrations ...
Anyway. If every year 1 or 2 million would immigrate we had not a stable 80M population but would gain 7 - 10M over a decade: which we don't.
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>> You are an idiot.
At least I'm not a rude fucking asshole like you.
Yes you are, but I'm not :D
Being an idiot is a mind and knowledge problem, being an asshole is a character problem.
If you were not an idiot you knew that.
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