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Oscar Winners, Sports Stars and Bill Gates Are Building Lavish Bunkers (hollywoodreporter.com)
turkeydance quotes a report from Hollywood Reporter: Given the increased frequency of terrorist bombings and mass shootings and an under-lying sense of havoc fed by divisive election politics, it's no surprise that home security is going over the top and hitting luxurious new heights. Or, rather, new lows, as the average depth of a new breed of safe haven that occupies thousands of square feet is 10 feet under or more. Those who can afford to pull out all the stops for so-called self-preservation are doing so -- in a fashion that goes way beyond the submerged corrugated metal units adopted by reality show "preppers" -- to prepare for anything from nuclear bombings to drastic climate-change events. Gary Lynch, GM at Rising S Bunkers, a Texas-based company that specializes in underground bunkers and services scores of Los Angeles residences, says that sales at the most upscale end of the market -- mainly to actors, pro athletes and politicians (who require signed NDAs) -- have increased 700 percent this year compared with 2015, and overall sales have risen 150 percent. Any time there is a turbulent political landscape, we see a spike in our sales. Given this election is as turbulent as it is, "we are gearing up for an even bigger spike," says marketing director Brad Roberson of sales of bunkers that start at $39,000 and can run $8.35 million or more (FYI, a 12-stall horse shelter is $98,500). Adds Mike Peters, owner of Utah-based Ultimate Bunker, which builds high-end versions in California, Texas and Minnesota: "People are going for luxury [to] live underground because they see the future is going to be rough. Everyone I've talked to thinks we are doomed, no matter who is elected." Robert Vicino, founder of Del Mar, Calif.-based Vivos, which constructs upscale community bunkers in Indiana (he believes coastal flooding scenarios preclude bunkers being safely built west of the Rockies), says, "Bill Gates has huge shelters under every one of his homes, in Rancho Santa Fe and Washington. His head of security visited with us a couple years ago, and for these multibillionaires, a few million is nothing. It's really just the newest form of insurance."
Yeah, i can dig that
Just like gun sales have never been better. A lack of calming from leaders has led to a self survival mentality. If ISIS doesn't get to you, North Korea, Iran, China, Russia, or aliens will. The one thing President Obama has done to feed the hysteria is a lack of ability to be calming in a crisis. He seems to say all the wrong things, and do all the wrong things to instill confidence for people. The next President will at least have to be better at fixing the problem at home if not abroad. You at least have to instill a false sense of confidence if nothing else. Otherwise the fear in people comes out, and it's usually not good.
Those layouts look like Rimworld. Just missing some turrets.
in words that already exist? Underlying is a word. No need to hyphenate the two other words under and lying.
And why are we singling out rich people? Poor people escape into sci-fi dreams about "leaving this rock" and "doomed Species" religious nonsense.
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No. It's the blog where you realize that the people you respected all your life aren't as high and mighty as you naively thought, and also suffer from many imperfections and lunacy that all of us suffer from.
But the fact that even those top people admit and recognize that it's a dead race between Trump and Hillary on who is worse as an individual, each being utterly horrible in their own characteristic way, should be a telling tale.
Of course, we will bury this revelation under a few tons of smoke-screen by utilizing people's fascination with bunkers and apocalypse-survival that entertainment has thankfully banked on and deeply spread far and wide.
So essentially a company in Utah that builds basement shelters is claiming it has lots of superstars who buy their bunkers... but it can't tell you who because NDAs. But all the superstars rush to Utah because their sales are up 700% they say.
And Bill Gates may also have a bunker because someone in an Indiana shelter company says that he spoke to an unnamed head of Gate's security team who told him Gates has them.
But hey, its from marketing director Brad Roberson, so in no way is this marketing!
Most rich people's houses aren't in very defensible positions to start with, even if they have tall fences or walls.
Ok, so they get into the bunker while someone is checking where the bunker door is... This is, in case all society goes to hell.
What are the odds of someone finding a way in, if it has enough determination and demolition experience.
I guess if it is a temporary situation, like a riot or terror attack then it does the trick. But a large event which causes societal breakdown??
The rich depend on scores of people that provide for them services and essentials. Some of these are necessary for what they need to project power.
Without institutions, without supply chains that support global economy, being rich after a collapse of society is not exactly a better position.
If people knew more about history, they would knew that in the American continent civilizational collapse was quite common.
In part due to geographic limitations, and not having cattle and horses, civilizations would disappear quite frequently.
This came with the usual abandoning of urban settlements, cannibalism, and loss of knowledge either technical, scientific or historical.
We might know more about the Mayas, but there were others in North America that built large mounds and cities and could work metals that disappeared without leaving a record.
Building a 7,600 square foot bunker is the easy part, although that presumably doesn't include somewhere to ride the horses. They don't say how long the owners expect to live underground, especially for a family of 12 (and their personal horses). The article talks about battery power and long-life food but not climate control, water or sewage.
An environmental calamity is expected to last for 2 years, minimum, which seems to be far longer than most of these celebrities have prepared for. Hiding away because of civil unrest or war misses an obvious problem: The cause of social collapse will still exist when the uber-rich have eaten all their freeze-dried meals (and horses?) and returned to the surface. The uber-rich could use their billions of dollars, via tax reform, to institute basic/universal income instead of waiting for an apocalypse that destroys all the banks and thus, their wealth.
To live more than 2 years in isolation will require the bunker to depend on the sun via bio-sphere technology, making it vulnerable to invasion but then, what is the point of hiding? Everything that powered and supported their luxurious lifestyle will be gone.
Or it's not real. They don't make any checkable claim, given paparazzi everywhere, you'd expect to see photos of the construction work taken by the Paparazzi.
With Trump threatening/accusing/blaming everyone of everything, they're just riding on the back of that to market their bunkers. I'd be more worried about the world supply of gold candlesticks, crystal chandeliers and grand pianos if Trump became president though. Not since Liberace has the world faced such a grave threat.
They're afraid of the 99% they've been ripping off
we were going to mars and everthing was going to be peachy
we were martians and sheeeit!!!
This isn't really news at this point. Other stories have been posted to this site and the other one about these luxury vaults. There are people cataloging the locations right now. Everybody had better pay attention. During the year from hell, we move against the luxury vaults and seal them with cement. That is the only way to prevent another man-made global disaster. Perhaps sociopathy will some day be cured--I'm an historian and anthropologist, not a psychiatrist or neurologist--, but the ruins of every major city serve as a regular reminder that sociopathy must not be allowed to come to power ever again.
Before I left from 2042, it had been discussed that perhaps we should open a vault or two to see how our former "betters," the architects of N-day, went out.
I was a bit surprised to see Bill Gates name in the list, he's not a tinfoil hat wearing type but upon further reading it seems more like he has a safe room(s) under his houses and not a end of the world "bunker". When you have ~$90 billion and a family with three children a safe room isn't conspiracy driven, it's almost common sense. Money and celebrity cause the crazies to come out (President Regan was shot by someone trying to impress Jodie Foster). So yeah, if you have a million in loose change in the couch, why not build a shelter/bunker?
. . . . is people not KNOWING you have one. Because if people KNOW you have one, then everyone who does know (and everyone THEY have told) will want in.
The old Twilight Zone episode "The Shelter" is instructive, on this point.
And then BOWLING ALLEYS and GARAGES ?? These people want to survive an apocalypse. . . .and they want to garage their Lamborghini ?? Additionally, looking at the floor-plan in the "Hollywood Reporter", and comparing it to offered bunkers by the providers mentioned in the article, there are no shelters that even CLOSELY resemble what the article presents as a design. As noted elsewhere in the comments, there is a lot of speculation and outright rumor-mongering in the article. . .
Slow news day on /. . . .
we really want *surviving* a catastrophic event.
Learning that this is now a recent pattern is somewhat concerning. Being self sufficient is never a bad thing. The fear mongering is real with this article though. Don't give in to fear, it leads to the dark side or something like that.
Thankfully, that is. A lot of people - particular those who seem to think that a certain candidate in this race is some sort of anarchist alternative - don't realize how close we are to electing a fascist leader (or how much they might be helping that person to be elected). We have seen fascism get a lot of positive free press here on slashdot before when being paraded about as something other than what it really is. Thankfully fascist regimes always get toppled in the end, there just is no guarantee who will be around long enough to see that end.
And oxygen/water production in a complete autonomic bunker. Because once it comes down to laying siege to a bunker, the one outside can wait for a looooong time. The one inside may not.
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I would have to live in a bunker! Particularly if over 90% of people who buy a computer are pretty much forced to use it or at the very least, pay for it they use it or not!
Good luck getting out of them when it floods.
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And then BOWLING ALLEYS and GARAGES ?? These people want to survive an apocalypse. . . .and they want to garage their Lamborghini ??
Not an apocalypse, just torches, pitchforks, and guillotines. History shows us that the real criminals (the men who apply the money to make horrible things happen- for profit) lie low while figureheads are deprived of their heads and then scuttle out when the danger has passed, and also that people have short memories and will let them live when they do.
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It doesn't matter though. It is simply perception that matters. The crazy cat lady in the medieval village wasn't actually a witch, but that didn't make a whole lot of difference to the outcome. There are now enough super wealthy people (Phillip Greens, Sepp Blathers, even the numerous likable people who don't pay tax) that your regular citizen is losing faith in the arrangement. Unless this trend can be reversed, the current political economy is finished. Let's just hope the backlash has a sense of justice to it, but I fear that those at the pointy end of the stick right now won't see the irony in dishing as much injustice as they've had to endure.
Riots - they head for bunker, then the hurricane hits with 20" of rain and they drown.
YAY fewer ass hats.
The poor people already have a bunker. They are going to use the one they build for 2000. I am going to wait for 2038.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
Any short term stay in a bunker will start smelling pretty wretched quite quickly. If all utilities falter, the poop corner of the bunker will get pretty nasty pretty quickly.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Simple solution: Anti-personnel turrets...
My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
Once the calthrate guns fire, Cthulhu ain't gonna be fhtagn no more.
If the seabeds' rockin' don't come a'knocking on my bunker door.
You are thinking am make joke...
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I live right by a freight hub station and a wal-mart warehouse in BFE. While everyone else lives like a rat in a hole, I'm going to build my own flourishing metropolis and rule with an iron but fair fist. Hehe...
Hopefully the blast buries the entrance/exit to these "bunkers"
Many people are building "panic rooms" into their homes. They are multi-purpose, and the guys who know how to build the good ones hide them in plain sight.
"Well, good luck finding a judge that doesn't run a bestiality site."
I live at 5000 feet ASL. If my house floods because of sea level rise, I think we're all pretty much doomed. Indiana will be under water long before Colorado.
"Well, good luck finding a judge that doesn't run a bestiality site."
Some of us never respected them to begin with. Bill Gates etc. have always been self-serving scum, he started out a slimey crook. If this isn't Elysium level shit, I don't know what is.
More to the point, you don't advertise you have a panic room or similar because if people KNOW you have one, they know they can loot your house with impunity or at least try it, because you'll be busy running to your panic room instead of standing your ground. Make 'em wonder by not not knowing, you still have the option of retreating to it but putting up some defense first. A couple of dead bodies in an entryway is a power deterrent to others thinking they can just raid you.
The gold freaks think that when society collapses, they can go to the food - dry goods guy and, fill up their pickup truck, hand a coin over and be on their way.
When in fact the supply guy - if he does take gold - will have to slice that coin in half, assay it and then spend the next hour negotiating how much gold for goods he'll accept.
And in the meantime, he and his boys are gonna have guns pointed at you.
And when word gets out that you have gold, gangs with their own guns are going to surround you and take it - if you're lucky. Most likely, they'll shoot you from yards away before you even know what's happening and pick over your dead carcass and truck. They'll find your home, do the same to your family - at least rape the women first - and then take what they want.
Of course the survivalists don't see it that way.
What they imagine is that they're Chuck Norris/Schwarzenegger combined and they can take them all on at once. And as long as they have plenty of .223 and their 30 round banana clips, nobody can fuck with them.
Strong federal governments are a good thing. Every third World shithole has a weak federal government and Libertarians and other small government conservatives fail to see that lesson.
right? Aside from a few folks who personally lost relatives to gun violence nobody favors gun control more stringent then "No Bazookas". Seriously, nobody's coming for your AR-15. It's been 8 years and 'Bama doesn't have your guns yet. Gun control is an issue kept alive by the right and the NRA to a) sell guns (Obama was great for their bottom line) and b) get you to ignore economic issues and let them go on draining you for all it's worth.
The left started to drop the issue in the 90's when Mr Clinton pointed out nobody wanted it. The issue had gained some traction in the 70s and 80s mostly because the anti-violence advocates formed an alliance with the racists (who were none to pleased that cheap manufacturing made guns affordable to the Black Panthers). The those racists got over their fears of Black guys with Guns, the alliance collapsed and the issue was lost.
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In California ? What would they use, harsh language ??
In Bowling for Columbine there's an animated video describing how scared Americans are (of just about anything). The number of bunkers screams fear to me - I'm sure there are a handful of such bunkers in the UK (or Europe, generally), they're mostly for politicians who must survive nuclear war, because only cockroaches will survive (apparently). I seriously doubt there's more than a couple for private citizens (and most of those are just swimming pools in the basement).
What's the point? I mean, if there's a nuclear war, you're better off just letting the galactic dice decide your fate. For low-level issues, such as no food for a few months, you're going to need to live in a tiny bunker for the entire duration. The rest of us will all just be mucking-in together to work out ways to collectively survive it. Sure, someone will come and steal the potatoes I'm growing in my back garden, but they can't steal all the potatoes in the neighbourhood. Besides, why steal them when you can just ask and we'll give you some?
When The End comes, I will poop in it.
Youre an idiot. Ever heard of the brady bill?
Given the increased frequency of terrorist bombings and mass shootings
Is that a given, though?
Just checking you've done your homework...
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If there ever is a disaster or break-down of the type that requires people to resort to bunker living you can bet mobs of people will be quick to take their frustrations out on the nearest wealthy estate. These bunkers might stand for a long time without a concerted effort to destroy them, but they will be useless to protect their occupants for any length of time if they are attacked. That is unless those occupants also have a made the bunkers defensible and are harboring a force that can man those defenses. That, or they have hidden these bunkers so well as to ensure they would not be discovered.
When it comes to bunkers withstanding attack - they are designed to withstand an initial strike and hold off invaders until help can arrive or the occupants can escape. They don't hold out indefinitely. In situations like those described in the summary, there is no help on the way.
All that said, it seems that "how would I survive the apocalypse" is a fun mental exercise with which people with too much time and/or too much money (and maybe too much guilt) easily go overboard.
> The left started to drop the issue in the 90's when Mr Clinton pointed out nobody wanted it
Obama and the media continue to push the "gunz r bad", so that seems wrong to me.
I have had this discussion with many people and most of the dangers we face are not the kinds of things you can "wait out in a bunker" like in some bad hollywood film. Almost all the disasters we face are going to have long term consequences which may last into geologic time tables. You will not have enough supplies to live for hundreds or thousands of years so you are slowly going to run out of resources and eventually die anyway. Although the idea of a rich guy eating those horses is kind of funny in a black humor sorta way.
In an earlier post I wrote about building a bunker for a rich guy in the '80s. He couldn't build it in complete secrecy so tried to disguise it to the permit department as just a really big garage with a cool basement. I really liked the design process, scenarios, etc. I did have to draw the line when he told me that he expected me to break into city hall after final sign off and steal the blue prints that had been submitted.
Peace is easy to achieve, just surrender. Liberty is much harder get/keep.
We're coming for them.
Scenario: You discover to your surprise that you can have your fill of every pleasure money can buy, and then you notice you've still got a mountain of that stuff lying around.
What to do?
(1) Pursue power. This never gets old, because there's other guys with mountains of money doing the same thing. No amount of power.is ever enough, because it's relative power that brings satisfaction.
(2) Serve humanity. The ability to amass money on this scale is a function of the scale of society, and that means that society's problems scale proportionately. The material resources you command could have solved all humanity's problems -- five thousand years ago. Today they're just a drop in a bucket, and that's a challenge.
(3) Build yourself a lavish Armageddon bunker.
(4) Any combination of the above.
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to construct private bunkers as a precaution against events they are elected to prevent. This is only fair, similar to placing the children of elected officials who vote for war on the front lines of those very wars.
How much ammunition do you have, and in relation to the number of stray cats, chickens, poor fuckers who I've taken as slaves or even just thrown rocks which I can get hold of.
Let's posit, for a moment, that you had millions of dollars, and notice that a major, but not world-ending apocalypse was coming.
Me ? I'd buy a farm in a remote area, with decent climate and a good water supply. Hunting and fishing areas would be a bonus, but if we actually had some sort of apocalypse, the woods would be hunted bare, and the lakes and rivers drained of catchable fish.
A sufficient variety of breeding stock for food animals (various poultry, cows, perhaps sheep, goats, and rabbits) and work animals (donkeys, horses, dogs, cats)
I'd have a few extra large-pre-fabricated buildings, one as a warehouse, another set up as a comprehensive workshop (with several generations of powered and unpowered tools for wood, metals, and perhaps stone), with sufficient power to run them. Perhaps even a smithy, if a local ore source was available, or a supply of scrap metal nearby.
And a large dead-tree library of useful books. . .
And I'd have a GROUP of people, not just a one-family survival plan. Ideally, a number of small family-scale farms, centered around the warehouses and workshops.
This should be obvious, but isn't, I suspect. . .
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I figure this is how it works with The Donald, too. He wakes up in the morning with a novel idea for how to litigate one of his business partners—also known as contractual co-signatories—and mentally adds $300 million tax free to his personal net worth as he flosses his astonishingly sharp teeth.
Pity this won't show up on his tax returns for years and years. This, however, is also good—it will probably take five to ten years to amass the necessary 200 pages of tax offsets against correspondingly novel loopholes in the federal tax code.
Trump: "Good morning, Bernie, looks like we have a new long-term project."
Senior minion [whose name isn't actually 'Bernie']: Excellent! Whose blood are we drinking, this time?
Trump: Ah, that building in, ah, the Trump crap whatsitsname, you know, the building from that deal, summer of 2013, where we saw the chick with the really great rack as we walked through the lobby on the way to get the Mexican food that was okay, but not-at-all what we expected, so we left no tip.
Senior minion: Yes, of course, the really great rack—who could forget—before the awesomely authentic burritos which were not-at-all satisfactory. I'll get right on it.
Phone call ends.
Senior minion [addressing staff]: About face! Leaches, march!
Back at the Mar-a-Lago Faraday cage, Trump does a little mental arithmetic. "Let's see, ten point one plus zero point three equals ten point four. Nice." Here he pauses for a moment to let his newfound wealth fully sink in.
"What's next? Let's see, here. Focus group con-call at 11:00 with three adoring, educated black women, located—with some difficulty, to hear my staff bitch about it—in Alabama, Kentucky, and Tennessee. That Kellyanne, mostly I just want to strangle her, but my word I've never known a woman who can turn rocks the way she does.
Hmm, not until 11:00, there's the silver lining—still two hours away. Not much else on the schedule, looks like it's Twitter time—best part of my day, not counting lawsuits and loopholes. Ten-point-four. What will ten-point-four say today? Something pithy, or something punchy? Decisions, decisions."
Soon in Washington State as well.
This is why TFS says 'nothing West of the Rockies'. It has nothing to do with flooding and everything to do with the coastal states politics. Disarm the property owners. Build a 'wall' (nice image from the cold war there guys) to intercept good shipping to/from the coast. And build an army of hobos and anarchists (Seattle city parks soon to be open for homeless camps. Say goodbye to Little League and kids soccer.)
Bill Gates can hunker down in his bomb shelter until the food runs out. When he opens the hatch, he'll find that the state has quartered a hundred bums in his house.
Clearly you have not heard of two new laws passed in California redefining AR and AK weapons platforms back into "Assault Weapon" class. They will no longer be able to be sold or transferred after 2017, and must be registered as Registered Assault Weapons by 2018. They must be destroyed after a person's death and cannot be passed on.
Additionally, starting 2018 all ammo sales must be performed by a state liscensed ammo dealer, and in 2019 will require a background check and essentially will put all owners of pre-registration firearms on the books as owning various caliber weapons. This basically blocks all Internet sales of ammo, and it includes all potentially lethal projectiles, so don't think bullets for reloading will be available without this background check and database of caliber owners.
There were 7 new gun control laws passed this summer and signed by Governor Brown (2 for RAWs, 1 ammo, 1 requiring background checks for firearms to be loaned, 1 requiring all firearms have serial numbers including old and new homebuilt, 1 banning any possession of >10 magazines, and one more making it a crime if you have a firearm stolen and don't report it within 5 days or make any false statements about the issue and earning a 10-year ban on owning a firearm).
Yes, they very much are still coming for guns, one law at a time, tightening that noose.
We fought it, but the majority of gun owners in California are so lazy and apathetic that at best we could only get half the signatures required to put the issues on the ballot and have Californians vote on it.
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As someone who works daily on luxury residential construction in Los Angeles I can 100% confirm these bunkers are purely a way to get around lot size zoning restrictions here in LA City. When you're restricted from adding another wing onto your house the only way to expand is down. They are stuffing these basements with Spas, Gyms, nightclubs, pools and private movie theaters. These people would never live in a hole in the ground if things went crazy here. They would rather bug out to their Jackson Hole ranch off of their private airport if it ever got so bad.
I hate crappy scaremongering reporting doubly so when it was so easy to get the story straight.
Wow, you have a pretty serious tunnel vision problem there don't you. Ever heard of the Assault Weapons Ban (it eventually sunset, but there have been multiple attempts to reinstate it)? The several court cases where cities were trying to defend basically banning almost all private firearm possession? The "sporting use" requirement on all imported firearms. I could go on for quite a while. And that's before we get into all of the insane and sometimes contradictory regulations (barrel length requirements, single grips on "pistols", ammunition purchase flags, etc). There are most definitely efforts to outlaw/heavily restrict firearm ownership, thankfully most have been defeated but every year there is another strip of red tape that people have to navigate through to exercise their constitutional right. I wonder how your average person would feel if they had to fill out paperwork to the effect of "are you a criminal", "have you beaten your wife", "are you a terrorist", wait days to pick up their purchase, and in some cases they had to go to the sheriffs office to get permission to buy a car.
The rich should pool their money and create a huge, underground facility holding at least 7000 people. Musk's Hyperloop would be the method of choice to transport the rich and the other selected from their temporary shelters. Anything to protect the species.
There may be more to this article but if true I thought Mr. Gates had a better bead on things.
If you build an inter-connected world you can't find safety by removing yourself from it. We are beyond the point of no return. It's peace prosperity or bust.
He could make it himself much safer by giving his money away... which in a way he has I suppose.
Still bums me out. I have faith in humanity, I wouldn't be here without them... ;-)
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No, you just *tell* them there has been a great catastrophe, and then you have a reality TV show with them down in their bunker. Then wait and see how long it takes before they figure out that they got punked.
At least he did something with his life. What have you done with yours
Hopefully the blast buries the entrance/exit to these "bunkers"
Hopefully plugs up the toilet too.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
$5.99/ea I wonder if they discount when you buy by the crate.
I note that all of the groups mentioned:
- Oscar Winners
- Sports stars
- Bill Gates
... are more likely than not to be liberals/democrats.
They aren't afraid of terrists. They are afraid that Trump might win.
And Bill Gates is of an age (same as me) to have acquired a life-long fear of the realistic possibility of global thermonuclear war. (BEFORE "War Games", during the Cuban Missile Crisis.)
If Trump wins, now you have TWO international leaders of nuclear-armed countries who are off-the-rails. Let the fun begin!
Bunkers are for sissies, real men move to Mars.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
The people who lived through The Blitz are laughing and mocking you. Bunch of pant wetting pansies.
Pussies hide underground while real men and women fight for what they believe is right. Morons.
As a fan of apocalyptic fiction this makes me very happy! The Purge films are looking more like reality every day :)
well all those "liberal" elitist "Oscar Winners, Sports Stars and Bill Gates " etc, who are building bunkers seems to believe what alex jones says and follow his advice in doing that, while denouncing his influence on hoi polloi.
oh the irony!
Is TRUMP is president. War war. War. Build one now before the prices raise 800%
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Dropped the issue. Right. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
Have gnu, will travel.
Which is the easiest way to take out the bunker's inhabitants. Bonus points for finding the air intakes and building a nice smoky fire in front, or a pumping in pure C02 or nitrogen.
Extra bonus points for taking out the water supply.
Castles failed in the middle ages. Bunkers will fail now, and for the same reasons.
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wait days to pick up their purchase, and in some cases they had to go to the sheriffs office to get permission to buy a car.
Welcome to Seattle, citizen.
And remember, its 20 MPH so you don't run over the hobos camping in the streets.
Have gnu, will travel.
It gives me shivers to think that movie and sports stars are going to be the only ones left.
The term originally used is 'ape,' with a link to the page on Wikipedia giving the formal definition of the group of ape.
I'm not sure how to break it to you all, but by sheer definition all humans are apes. In point of fact, humans are the type species for the superfamily of apes, meaning that even if all the other species in that superfamily turn out to not be related to humans--humans will still be apes, because that's how type species roll.
But hey, I guess the same type of stupidity involved in thinking these bunkers are likely to work out well makes it okay to say it's racist to call a group of humans something that, if they're not, they cannot be human.
Seriously, if people know where to find your bunker you got a Problem, especially if you're expecting to power it with wind or solar which means there's going to be essential tech just out there and vulnerable. I don't think anybody has to be particularly intelligent to do a good job of locating and wrecking either once they know the general area to look in after a disaster. Maybe these people can't imagine the serfs being smart enough to use the ancient technology known as 'maps' after a disaster bad enough to go into bunkers...?
If she wins, there will be a nuclear war before 2020, so yeah, start building those bunkers.
I wouldn't want to survive a global whatever. Just think...by yourself, locked away, once you run out of supplies, then what? One big flash, it's all over and you don't worry about it.
A Trump win would greatly reduce the odds of World War III kicking off in the next couple of years. GREATLY reduce them.
That would be poetic justice.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
If you need to panic, you have already lost because you messed up spectacularly earlier. And even if you survive the first instance, the next one will get you. Personality-defects cannot be corrected by features of your home.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Zuckerberg spend $6,000,000 a year on his security detail alone. Do you not think his mini-army will shoot many many people on site trying to illegally enter his property when an 'apocalyptic" event happens?
And yes, population reduction of the entire earth is going to happen in a mass intentional kill off Our masters think 500,000,000 is the right number of humans allowed on the planet.
These people are disciples of Barton Briggs, the doomsday financist
REALLY? You REALLY believe this? So when Obama goes on CNN and has a whole 'town hall meeting' about this topic, and Mrs. Clinton talks about more legislation for 'gun control' they don't REALLY believe what they are saying? Their just 'pandering'? Ok, I'll buy that, but then don't blame the NRA or people who want to retain their guns from trying to counter this pandering, AND if that means more sales of guns don't blame the NRA for taking advantage of the pandering in this way.
If & when Obama, Clinton or other 'liberal leaders' of their stature come out and say 'Its NOT the guns, its the people, stop focusing on the guns' THAN we can consider the 'issue dropped'. Of course they won't though because then they might actually lose support from a good deal of their supports who DO think 'its the guns'.
Seriously, have you been living in a cave for the last 20 years? (you stop your analysis at the '90s, we're in 2016, that's almost 20 years you might want to stick you're head out a window & get some fresh air).
That the rich can't hide was powerfully illustrated in "The Masque of the Red Death", a short story by Edgar Allan Poe. In it the wealthy and connected gathered at the abbey of Prince Prospero to get away from the common people succumbing to a plague outside the walls. But it is not so easy to cheat Death!
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hy...
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...omphaloskepsis often...
Tell me about it, and I signed.
Yes, Citizen, ABSOLUTELY NO ONE IS COMING FOR YOUR GUNS. Continue consuming, and remember: The Computer Loves You.
After reading and watching The Road, I liked that the father considered the bunker a crypt and that it would be their doom if they stayed there (although differing reasons from the book), also this seemed to be a reoccurring theme in the Fallout series as well.
How much ammunition do you have, and in relation to the number of stray cats, chickens, poor fuckers who I've taken as slaves or even just thrown rocks which I can get hold of.
The slaves will work. Avoiding shooting at all that other stuff is easy with existing image processing algorithms.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Your mom.
"he believes coastal flooding scenarios preclude bunkers being safely built west of the Rockies"
That's one heck of a flood.
Liberals are funny. I read where a bunch like before GW Bush was elected are saying they'll leave the country. Problem is, they don't.
Mass shootings are at a lower level than they were in the 1970s (particularly school shootings) and so are terrorist events.
What's changed is that they're being reported more and reported more emotionally.
Despite impressions, society is becoming less and less violent - that makes violent incidents more reportable as they're unusual, vs commonplace.
you're dead!
Yeah, because this bunker sales dude knows their innermost thoughts on political matters.
Only boring people are ever bored.
At least he did something with his life. What have you done with yours
Stalin did something with his life, too.
A missed chance of calling that company vault tec.
Terrorism is not the scariest thing in the world. Why would a smart rich person build a bunker? And why would they ever publicize the fact? Even I, a retired librarian, can think of other, more effective, ways to keep my family safe, and I figure Bill Gates can too. Too much information is making us stupider!