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Saudi Arabian Teen Arrested For Online Videos With American Blogger (theguardian.com)
Mazin Sidahmed and Nicky Woolf, reporting for The Guardian: A male Saudi Arabian teenager has been arrested in Riyadh over a series of online videos of conversations between him and a female Californian streaming-video star that went viral. A Riyadh police spokesperson, Colonel Fawaz Al-Mayman, said the teenager, known online as Abu Sin, was arrested on Sunday for engaging in "unethical behaviour" in videos with Christina Crockett, a popular broadcaster on the conversational live-streaming site YouNow. Abu Sin's real name is not known. "His videos received many comments and many of the commenters of the general public demanded for him to be punished for his actions," Al-Maymann added, according to the Saudi Gazette. The two amassed thousands of fans on the YouNow network, and later on YouTube after videos of the two speaking were uploaded there. The videos featured Abu Sin -- a nickname given to him for his broken teeth -- and Crockett communicating despite their significant language barriers. The popularity of the videos of the two of them surprised Crockett, she told the Guardian in an interview. As a broadcaster on YouNow, she can invite her fans to join her broadcasts on split-screen, which is known as "guesting."
So they had conversation. So what is the problem? It didn't come clear in this post at slashdot.
He talked with a woman! Unclean! Unclean!
This is the sort of thing that SJW's should be fighting against......instead they decide to focus their efforts on restricting speech in some of the most liberal places on Earth.
If you post as Anonymous Coward, don't expect a reply.
It will be interesting to see whether continuing incidents like these over the next several years spark enough domestic and international outrage that totlitarian regimes are forced to change their governing practices.
Yeah, how could anyone "want" to live where their family is and their entire genetic line has existed for several millennia? Why don't they just pack up and move someplace better? Because it's easy.
To be fair a little dance is a slippery slope.
First you do a little dance, that leads to making a little love, and then you get down tonight. Get down tonight.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
I think its terrible and I dont think he deserves it
which is a pretty reasonable response, but what most Americans don't understand or for that matter tend to respect are cultural differences. Theyre quick to point out the injustice of the Saudi criminal code yet conveniently overlook the fact that it is a criminal offence to dance at the Jefferson Memorial, or that until 1967 interracial marriages were illegal in a plurality of states. Transgender Americans can still face prosecution for simply using the toilet in 5 states, and it wasnt until 2015 that gays could be married in the land of the free.
Abu Sin knew what he was doing. Sometimes incarceration is a risk you take to try and make a cultural change or statement.
Good people go to bed earlier.
Saudi Arabia has laws banning men from engaging in any form of socializing with any women they aren't married or related to. Public lashing is a common punishment for those offenses, too, so it's not just a few days in jail that he's facing.
Saudi Arabia has a whole set of laws governing how single men and women are allowed to interact with each other. I think it's a terrible idea to extend these laws to online interaction with foreigners. But, apparently, enough people over there think it is appropriate enough a thing to do that an arrest was made.
He financed their construction.
Well, that's not entirely clear. If the Saudis bought them, then the Saudis financed them. If the Saudis bought them for less than what they cost, then either the manufacturer(s) subsidized some of the cost, or the taxpayers did. Which brings us to the fact that such expenses come out of the discretionary budget, which means it's essentially paid for almost entirely by income taxes or by debt that will be serviced by income taxes ... and that means that only about half of the people in the country actually have a hand in financing such things because the other half pays no income taxes. And of the half that does pay them, of course a small portion of that group pays the majority of those taxes.
So, "we" is indeed not an obvious thing, here.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Abu Sin knew what he was doing. Sometimes incarceration is a risk you take to try and make a cultural change or statement.
Abu Sin was a young boy talking to a woman. To say he fully understood the ramifications of his actions is absurd. He almost certainly knew it was a social taboo, but to say he was trying to make cultural change is really stretching. We do not know his intentions, but Occam says hormonal teenager trumps activist any day.
That said, this probably happens quite a bit with teenagers, just not out in the open. Then, afterwards, after the physical and mental scarring endured, these young men learn hate. And that hate is not towards his oppressors, the regime and religion that beat him down. Instead it is twisted at women or those who do as they did, that they should suffer the same punishments. This is how these types of systems stay in place and prosper.
Silence is a state of mime.
Yep, if you don't nip this in the bud, pretty soon women will be demanding to leave the house without their husband's permission.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
But woman in video isn't subject to those laws
No, but unfortunately, as a Saudi, the man in this case certainly is.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
It may be a matter of not sticking ones nose in another country's business: fix our own backyard first.
Meddling in the Middle East just seems to make things worse. If they wanna be medieval and keep resisting modernization, there should come a point where we give up trying to modernize them and instead focus on issues closer to home.
Table-ized A.I.
Christina: 'Today we are having our follow up split-screen live stream with Abu Sin in Riyahd. What up Abu!'
Abu appears in the split screen. He is in the middle of a public square, his hands are bound to a pole and his shirt is removed. In the background is crowd of onlookers and a large masked man in black unrolling a whip.
Abu: 'Whassup Christina Just chillin since our last stream, Yo!'
Christina: 'Cool. Do you like Beyonce?'
Abu: 'Totally, but my AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.... favorite is Justin Beiber.'
Between the honor killings, forced marriage and FGM happening in Saudi Arabia I can understand why their teen pregnancy rate is so low!
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
Because it's easy.
You're going for facetious but you're right on point. It IS that easy. The world is a small tiny place. Until we start colonising Mars we're barely 30h worth of travel distance from anyone at any given time. If the goal is to simply get away from a shithole, heck you can do that in 4-5 hours for most of them.
I personally really don't understand the obsession people have with a place. It's just a place. There are many places in the world each with their own benefits. If one isn't completely happy with where they are, go someplace else.
By the way, greetings from the Netherlands. An awesome country which I didn't grow up in, don't have any family in and don't have a genetic line relating back to. I do miss my sister, so I called her up a few days ago and then booked a flight. Going to have a fun weekend abroad next week.