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Replacement Samsung Galaxy Note 7 Phone Catches Fire on Southwest Plane (theverge.com)
After learning about faulty battery issues in its Galaxy Note 7 smartphone, Samsung said it will offer its existing customers a safe, replacement unit. It appears the replacement unit also suffers from the same issue. Jordan Golson, reporting for The Verge: Southwest Airlines flight 944 from Louisville to Baltimore was evacuated this morning while still at the gate because of a smoking Samsung Galaxy Note 7 smartphone. All passengers and crew exited the plane via the main cabin door and no injuries were reported, a Southwest Airlines spokesperson told The Verge. More worryingly, the phone in question was a replacement Galaxy Note 7, one that was deemed to be safe by Samsung. The Verge spoke to Brian Green, owner of the Note 7, on the phone earlier today and he confirmed that he had picked up the new phone at an AT&T store on September 21st. A photograph of the box shows the black square symbol that indicates a replacement Note 7 and Green said it had a green battery icon.A spokesperson for Southwest Airlines said, "prior to the Southwest Airlines Flight 994 departing from Louisville for Baltimore, a customer reported smoke emitting from an electronic device. All customers and crew deplaned safely via the main cabin door. Customers will be accommodated on other Southwest flights to their final destinations. Safety is always our top priority at Southwest and we encourage our customers to comply with the FAA Pack Safe Guidelines."
just put it out with one of the snakes.
Table-ized A.I.
Samsung marketing must be on fire after every US airline on every flight asks passengers to put away their Galaxies. You couldn't possibly increase brand awareness and establish lasting image more than that.
on commercial aircraft!
Or at least it is a good argument for removable batteries... Think of one of these in checked baggage!
If Jobs were Samsung CEO: "It's because you're holding your Galaxy wrong."
Table-ized A.I.
Testing? That is what users do!
Your devices must be off at all times in flight and in the provided fire proof box
What?
One smoking phone battery and:
* The plane is evacuated.
* The flight is cancelled.
What?
How would it not be enough to fling the phone out the door and carry on?
Stresses the battery, which reacts differently due to the reduced cabin pressure at higher elevation.
Basic physics. Or at least it was during my Engineering Physics courses this year.
From TFS:
Southwest Airlines flight 944 from Louisville to Baltimore was evacuated this morning while still at the gate ...
Basic reading. Spend more time in those classes. :-)
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Let’s be real for a second though There are certainly flights that are longer than the 8-10 hours you can get from a pair of BT headphones, but not *that* many people fly that far regularly nor are able to listen to music for the entire flight. I’d imagine sleep is a common alternative to music listening.
If you manage to kill your BT headphones, unplug the phone & switch to wired for a while. You’ll get another 20+ hours of music, especially with the cell radio turned off. Charge your headphones while you’re doing that.
Is it slightly less convenient than being able to listen to wired headphones & charge? Sure. Do many people find themselves in that position frequently? I doubt it.
Except your explanation doesn't deal with basic physics, it deals with quality control. If you were discussing impact of pressure on heat generated by battery due to formulation or heat generated by chipsets during operation due to resistance, ect that would be basic physics. I doubt this falls into that category, more likely there is a contaminant in the battery that increases the internal resistance that is causing the issue, once again an issue of quality control.
do people have cameras ready, and immediately photograph something that caught fire, and the box it came in which was curiously brought along on the flight, for immediate publishing on the Internet? It seems as if the whole idea was to create even more bad press for the biggest foreign competitor in the U.S. phone market.
You must be new here. Everywhere I've gone in the past couple of years there have been cell phone cameras out and recording for anything remotely out of the ordinary and usually for perfectly mundane events (getting on a plane). The odds of any event in the US (and probably Europe and most parts of Asia) being photographed and / or videoed is getting awfully close to 1 these days.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
As most smartphone batteries can handle that, I suspect problem with the design itself (like battery-unfriendly power regulators or the battery being heated-up by some other device close to it or a general departure from best-practices observed so far) and, and that is what makes this pretty bad, faulty issue identification. It may just be that the batteries are, in principle, fine. Or that the replacement-batteries have the same issue. Or, as you suspect, a mismatch between the battery and its use, and inadequate testing to compound the error.
It may, of course, be also be a decision by "managers" to ignore concerns of engineers and to push this thing, and then the replacements, out the door fast.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
I keep my headphones on while I sleep, and expect them to not only last the night but still be fresh in the morning.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Samsung won't be able to confiscate and hide the phone now. It will go straight to the NTSB.
So you're telling people they should carry two pairs of headphones around? That's annoying.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
The phone was putting out a goodly amount of smoke, the smell of which would have to be professionally cleaned from the whole plane or most of the people in the SEALED CABIN would have gotten really sick from it.
Not to mention the carpet AND subfloor were charred, further contributing to residual smell and smoke.
Also how exactly would *you* have chucked it out the "door" - the emergency door which means the plane is not flying anywhere anyway? What door exactly????
What no-one ever told you is the magic smoke is also toxic...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
If someone in a trench coat inside an alley offers to sell you a Samsung Toilet for an amazing price, run away. You do not want to own an exploding toilet.
Owner: New phone who d-OH GOD IT'S ON FIRE!
Friend: Frank? I told you not to sleep with that floozy but nooOOOooo. Well now you got the herp.
Owner: IT'S MELTING MY FLESH!
Friend: Welcome to the club, buddy.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
No idea. Not that it is difficult to drill a small hole in the case over the battery and then jab a needle into it to set it off. With a few trial-runs you may even be able to make sure the evidence burns up completely.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
If Steve Ballmer were Samsung CEO, he would have personally ripped each and every airline seat out and thrown every last one of them at the customer with the smoking phone.
My bluetooth headphones have a battery life of 30+ hours.
I've never put them to the limit though, because bluetooth audio is shit, and they can be optionally wired.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
The phone had been turned off, and the plane hadn't departed yet. Also, the user had only used wireless charging previously (per the article).
Yes but did he board the plane there, or was he already on board? If the latter then the phone just got done experiencing a pressure cycle from a flight.
Better known as 318230.
non-smoking now?
Somehow Apple is to blame for all of this, I can feel it in my Android phone.
The Farce is strong with this one...
You have the right to remain sentient. If you give up the right to remain sentient, you will be elected to public office
Well, the picture of the burnt phone is on the kind of carpet and what looks to be the attachment point for a seat on a plane.
The picture of the box appears to be on a painted wood surface, perhaps the black-brown veneer that Ikea puts on desks. The box was probably nowhere near the plane, but provided to the journalist so he could compare serial numbers to see if this was indeed a "replacement" or "original" Note 7.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
"But we fired the whole QA department last year and saved a bunch of money. You were happy at the time, boss... remember?"
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
Correction: "That's what Google *Beta* users do!
Setting aside for the moment that the plane wasn't yet pressurized since it was still sitting at the gate, cabin pressure at cruising altitude is roughly equivalent to 8,000 ft or 2,400 m (it's commonly compared to the air pressure in Denver, even though Denver sits a bit lower than that). If Samsung hadn't tested their phone to deal with pressures like that, then the phone would be unusuable in a whole lot of major cities that sit at high altitude, mostly affecting Mexico and South America, but with a few in places like China, India, and the Middle East as well.
Despite the fact that Samsung clearly has some major quality control issues to resolve, I find it hard to believe that they neglected to account for the fact that people routinely live at altitude.
If only the battery were replaceable, without needing to take apart the whole phone to replace it... it would have cost Samsung a lot less to replace just the battery instead of the whole phone. Too bad.
http://github.com/gbook/nidb
I had a flash back of Indiana Jones throwing a poor Nazi out of a blimp... saying "No ticket!"
Just replace with "He had a Note 7"
I guess it makes sense to those narcissistic types ;-)
love is just extroverted narcissism
But Ballmer got fired for running another phone company into the ground.
Perhaps he didn't throw enough chairs at people.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
If you'd bothered to read the article, you'd have seen the part where it said "Green said that he had powered down the phone as requested by the flight crew." Flight crews don't ask you to power down your phone after the flight is over.
I'm not really interested in Samsung phones - I've always thought them thoroughly lacking in some important areas (design, UI) - but I have to say this whole batteries-on-fire thing is some spectacular PR disaster for the only true competitor to Apples iPhone line.
Kinda makes me feel sorry for this company. AFAIHH the entire nation of South Korea is suffering with them.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
If Jobs were still around and Apple CEO, he'd have gloated, "Serves you right for stealing our ideas."
I thought he left after turning a somewhat okay software company into a phone and data mining company
Parkways are where you drive and driveways are where you park.
Deplane is in the dictionary and is a real word, despite your unfamiliarity with it.
English isn't all that logical, so stop making an idiot yourself by pretending that it is and complaining when you see a word you don't agree with.
But he'd still keep it, calling it Microsoft Flame.
Table-ized A.I.
True - since he was an Android user, he could have replaced it w/ a OnePlus or Sony or LG. Only thing about the flight - a lot of planes have no USB slots nor power outlets to charge your phone, so you try to conserve as much power as you can while using it during the flight. Also, not all flights have on-board entertainment that will allow you to turn your phone off and save your battery for when you are done w/ it and bored.
"prefix 1. removal of or from something specified: deforest, dethrone"
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minus the phone part, and about $15B, and 25000 jobs.
They're now basically a SaaS company, with a side of Iaas.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
You sir, shall be demodded.
Table-ized A.I.
Well, if this guy set his phone off by intent, and they can prove that, he may go to prison for a few years. This whole thing is suspicious. Kind of like the Chinese person that claimed the phone also destroyed his MacBook.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
All commercial aircraft should have a strengthened, heat-sinked, airtight metal pouch that can be used to snuff out burning mobile devices when lithium batteries go rogue.
If Jobs were still around and Apple CEO, he'd have gloated, "Serves you right for stealing our ideas."
LOL! Perfect!
Oh, I'm quite familiar with this particularly gruesome neologism, and I'm most certainly not the only one that has a problem with it., as I have just learned. But maybe you should check your own grasp of the English language before looking stuff up in the dictionary to lecture others.
that airplanes avoid. seems they don't want the seams and rivets to corrode, for some silly reason.
you can pull a car over and get out if it starts falling apart. not so an airliner. no curb.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
It's what that short Mexican guy used to say on Fantasy Island.
Since when did Microsoft start running Samsung's Galaxy division?
Never were tested for operation at full power running multiple things in fast-changing environments where the signals keep changing rapidly.
Stresses the battery, which reacts differently due to the reduced cabin pressure at higher elevation.
Basic physics. Or at least it was during my Engineering Physics courses this year.
Wow! You oughta start working for Samsung's PR department with that much spin-ability.
Funny that no one else's phones burst into flames with frightning regularity.
Oh, and what about all the sea-level (or at least not at cabin-pressure) examples? What's your excuse for them?
Bottom line: Samsung seems to be valuing quick charge time (which they probably felt they have to to with their massive battery) over safety, and THOUGHT they could get away with higher battery temps during charging. That, or something is radically-wrong with their batteries or their built-in temp. sensors (or the software/hardware that is monitoring them).
This is the second time I've heard of a supposedly "Fixed" Samsung phone going all explodio; so now what?
Apple told me that Ballmer was not throwing the chairs right.
It's a matter of quality experience over quantity.
Except your explanation doesn't deal with basic physics, it deals with quality control. If you were discussing impact of pressure on heat generated by battery due to formulation or heat generated by chipsets during operation due to resistance, ect that would be basic physics. I doubt this falls into that category, more likely there is a contaminant in the battery that increases the internal resistance that is causing the issue, once again an issue of quality control.
But in any event, the temp sensor should be monitoring the battery temp, and reducing/stopping the charge cycle as the battery temp increases.
But it is not.
So the iPhone 7 ALSO has an explosive hidden feature?
May the Farce be with you... always.
You get out of a car. You get off of a train or a boat, or a hot air balloon. What's wrong with those? Or should we now start expecting "decar" or "detrain"? "Dehotairballoon"?
The phone had been turned off, and the plane hadn't departed yet. Also, the user had only used wireless charging previously (per the article).
Ah! The Samsung TV commercials crow about "FAST, wireless charging".
They are pushing it to charge that nearly 4,000 mAh-battery in the same roughly 2 hours that iPhones charge their little over 2,000 mAh one. As a result, my iPhone 6 plus barely breaks a sweat while charging (except on my damn car charger!), while I bet the Samsung is almost too hot to touch. Add to that the heat from the eddy-currents from the wireless charger itself (can't remember the name of that effect, but it's the same thing that makes induction cooktops work), and...
So, Samsung has a power-hog design/OS, and as a result, has had to put in nearly double the battery as the iPhone. But the marketing people didn't want to advertise a FOUR-HOUR charge-cycle, and so told the engineering team "Damn the torpedos! Full Charge Ahead!"
I will just BET that's what happened here.
Actually, I was referencing Jobs umbrage at Eric Schmidt for Google adapting iOS ideas in Android, but touche!
" 3. departure from: decamp"
I've definitely heard that one used quite a lot, including in periods from long before there were any planes around.
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I couldn't pass that one up. ;)
Joke's on him, as airplane travel is one of the times I need both the headphone jack and charge port at the same time. When you have nothing better to do but play with your phone and listen to music for several hours straight, you're going to need to charge.
I vaguely recall a Samsung ad about how useful replaceable batteries are in that scenario as well, but they seem to have forgotten about that...
Joke's on you mindless AC. Do some research first, next time.
Here's One of the MANY options for wireless charging while headphoning with standard headphones for Lightning-equipped devices. Here's another one for $11 (I'm sure it's not MFi-certified like the Belkin is; but hey...).
Oh, and that search took 1 second on Google, and 2 seconds and one scroll-wheel-flick on Amazon.
Hatetard.
I see smore problems for Samsung coming soon.
Wrong again. Decamp (not that you will ever catch that word escaping my lips) is to break up a camp. Not to depart from a camp. This was actually the original meaning of the word "deplane", to make something cease to be a plane.
No, he was having back problems: "The pain, the pain!"
Table-ized A.I.
That's even worse. Must have been catching Pokemon
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Ah! The Samsung TV commercials crow about "FAST, wireless charging".
They are pushing it to charge that nearly 4,000 mAh-battery in the same roughly 2 hours that iPhones charge their little over 2,000 mAh one. As a result, my iPhone 6 plus barely breaks a sweat while charging (except on my damn car charger!), while I bet the Samsung is almost too hot to touch. Add to that the heat from the eddy-currents from the wireless charger itself (can't remember the name of that effect, but it's the same thing that makes induction cooktops work), and...
So, Samsung has a power-hog design/OS, and as a result, has had to put in nearly double the battery as the iPhone. But the marketing people didn't want to advertise a FOUR-HOUR charge-cycle, and so told the engineering team "Damn the torpedos! Full Charge Ahead!"
I will just BET that's what happened here.
so they wound their coils too tightly to get a faster charge? Hmm, is the material used shedding too much heat, due to some cost saving (or mass saving to cut down on weight)?
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Samsung may have screwed up but:
> So, Samsung has a power-hog design/OS, and as a result, has had to put in nearly double the battery as the iPhone.
This is asinine.
Uh, the definition you just pointed me at, in addition to saying "to break up a camp", also says "to leave a place suddenly and secretly", and "to depart suddenly".
You can argue about the original meaning i suppose, but it's had those other meanings for a long time. I think you're going to have a tough time un-debarning that horse.
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While others pointed out it was at the gate, I believe I was referencing a fast moving plane trying to pick up and transition between multiple signals.
If at the gate, could it have been the proximity of lots of people using smartphones nearby, going in and out of range? Or was the person trying to rapid charge the phone, having overheated it playing Pokemon Go and watching vids right before?
Either way, it's a design flaw.
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It's funny how Apple fanbois genuinely think Apple invented everything and support Apple's idiotic notion that everybody is copying them while ignoring all the times Apple copies everybody else. As an iPhone user im glad they copied things like Android's notification center and Windows Phone's multitasking interface (Apple's original attempt at that was pathetic) because good ideas should be copied and not monopolized.
No, replaceable batteries aren't the solution. They would probably make the situation worse, in fact. If the battery were replaceable, end users would be replacing them with the cheapest Chinese gray-market batteries they could find, made from lithium ore containing higher-than-permitted levels of lead, melamine, white phosphorus, and plutonium.
I've heard of eight catching on fire, most at altitude, and a related airborne battery problem with avionics systems, hence my supposition.
If at a gate, it's more likely the rapid charge cycle being used immeadiately after overheating from overuse before boarding, as a design flaw.
So we've narrowed it down to bad design, then. Unless you think phones lighting on fire is a good design, that is.
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Stresses the battery, which reacts differently due to the reduced cabin pressure at higher elevation.
Nothing to do with that, the plane hadn't even taken off.
If you manage to kill your BT headphones, unplug the phone & switch to wired for a while. You’ll get another 20+ hours of music, especially with the cell radio turned off. Charge your headphones while you’re doing that.
In fact, according to the specs, the iPhone 7 lasts 40 hours just listening to music (I assume "local" music and with wired headphones), and the 7 plus lasts 60 hours (!!!)
So, unless you are on a moon-shuttle, you're probably covered.
My fucking face when you use an English dictionary to fucking trace origins of a FRENCH WORD.
Back to high school with you - take French for your foreign language. Merde.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
hand it off to the fire department so no one else can investigate it until they're done.
Better to have Samsung collect and destroy evidence to protect their corporate image? The Fire Department isn't interested in the Truth. They just want Samsung to look bad, because Samsung didn't give to the last collection. Is that really your assertion?
Learn to love Alaska
do people have cameras ready
They do if they're not already on fire...
No idea. Not that it is difficult to drill a small hole in the case over the battery and then jab a needle into it to set it off. With a few trial-runs you may even be able to make sure the evidence burns up completely.
Except each "Trial Run" costs about $900, and produces a paper trail in the form of CC receipts, activations, etc.
Get real.
Samsung may have screwed up but: > So, Samsung has a power-hog design/OS, and as a result, has had to put in nearly double the battery as the iPhone.
This is asinine.
Really?
According to Ars, the GN7 only gets about 6% extra battery life than the iPhone 7 in one test (and pretty much equal in the other), and a little LESS than the iPhone 7 plus; yet according to Samsung's specs and Apple's, the GN7's battery is nearly TWICE the capacity of the iPhone 7s.
That extra capacity isn't buying TWICE the battery-life; so, all things being equal, the Sammy HAS to be suckin' down the current at nearly TWICE the rate of the iPhone 7.
It's funny how Apple fanbois genuinely think Apple invented everything and support Apple's idiotic notion that everybody is copying them
THIS is what we were talking about. As you can plainly see, it is just a BIT more than a single feature or two.
Now STFU.
We call it "Campfire!"
so they wound their coils too tightly to get a faster charge? Hmm, is the material used shedding too much heat, due to some cost saving (or mass saving to cut down on weight)?
Don't really know; but I would bet you can fry an egg on an S7 that's charging...
For once I agree with you my fanboi friend. I can tell you that both the fast charge and the wireless charge on my Note 5 cause a bit of heat. I could see if they were trying to wireless fast charge how you could end up with a real heat issue. To avoid the issue myself I tend to use a third party charger limited to 1 amp. Its fast enough for me and it doesn't create a hot potato.
Still couldn't resist the "dig", though...
Oh well. Baby steps, I guess.
I can't find any real information on just HOW hot the S7 gets in Fast Charge mode; but I DO know you can NOW turn that off, so that tells me they figured out it really wasn't a great idea.
and they will need to reinstall seat back tv's. On UA they have wifi with lot's of free movies and tv shows
you can't open the door in flight the presser is to high
some airports have the auto seat cover rolls. Like ORD
We all know there's workarounds, but they're clunky. It's annoying that my iPhone 7 is more cumbersome to do the things just worked out of the box with my iPhone 6, yes I know I can get bluetooth headphones, which I did but on a long haul flight they don't last and don't work in airplane mode anyway. So now I need another set of headphones and a headphone+charge adapter.
That's not the sort of regression in user experience I'm used to with Apple's products. The other issue with it is the inconsistency, the lightning port isn't available on any Mac so the lightning-only headphones they ship with the iPhone (without any lightning to 3.5mm adapter) don't even work with my other Apple products.
Now I'm sure you'll leap to their defence with all the possible workarounds but the fact is the user experience is now worse, this is a downgrade, not an upgrade and usually Apple handles these things so well so this is disappointing but it's ok it's an annoyance and you can admit that.
I thought all it took was courage...
There was also a plane-ticket involved and the risk of a few years of prison-time. And seriously, the $5000 or so this will cost is peanuts compared to the damage done to Samsung. Have different people buy it, pay for it with cash, steal it, and who says a phone that gets destroyed need to be activated? Any smartphone I ever had got charged just fine before activation and that is all you need.
Not saying that if this was intentional sabotage, this person will not get caught, but unless it was done extremely incompetently, it will need more than a few database-queries to prove anything.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Oh coming from you this is good. Have you asked Apple if they consider this a good idea? Does it void the warranty? Here I thought you were against cheap stuff, but was I wrong! You apparently recommend meetcute as a manufacturer of parts for the iPhone. Are all their products Apple certified? Because guess what. I'd bet a paycheck that if someone came on this forum and said I just bought a splitter from meetcute and my iPhone 7 burned up, you'd be the first to chastise them for using junk that wasn't Apple certified.
Finally, quit with the 'hater' shit. After seeing your portrayal of Android users and Android phones, there's no room on the high road for you.
You can now play GTA V using the Samsung Note 7 as an improvised hand grenade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
The problem is between your ears. Samsung charges its phones using quallcom technology. Just like damn near everyone. It's old tech now, on revision 3. Old, SUCCESSFUL tech.
They follow the Qi wireless standard for their wireless charging. As does just about every other phone maker that offers it. Their fast wireless charging is the latest Qi standard. The wireless charger itself contains an almost imperceptible fan to deal with heat.
As an Apple fanboy, your responses are as predictable as they are wrong. I understand some of the problem. You haven't a clue about Qi wireless charging or Quick Charge because Apple hasn't quite come around to the modern technology in use for several years on Androids.
Oh, I hear that fast charge is something the iPhone 7 could use. It's coming in last place in just about every battery test out when measured against the current Android's. Wow! Double whammy. Shrimpy battery life and no quick charge.
Oh well. I see Apple has already released an iPhone 7 edition of that beautiful case with the built in battery. Yeah, that's a great solution. Really turns the phone into a beauty. Maybe you could post a couple of hundred links to some Chinese stuff?
As you can plainly see, it is just a BIT more than a single feature or two.
Yes it is 3, from the link:
remove slide-to-unlock, autocorrect and quick link software
But it doesnt matter, Apple copies the ideas of others (just as others do with Apple) and that is a very good thing why cant you admit that? Can you list any of the things that Apple copied from Google and Microsoft? Surely you are aware of them right? You dont actually think Apple invented every idea in their products do you?
You missed the part where the box is in a separate image against a different background. Almost like a picture that you'd take of your phone box after purchase so that you'd have serial number and IMEI information easily available in case the phone was stolen for things like insurance claims.
Idiot.
Jobs umbrage at Eric Schmidt for Google adapting iOS ideas in Android
What ? Because Apple actually managed to bring something new which wasn't in countless predecessors in the PDA space ?
I'm genuinely curious. I remember the big noise Apple made around the iPhone, but all I could personally think was "well, somebody has bolted a phone/modem to my Palm. Big deal".
The only details I found of note is that the iPhone went for a capacitive touch screen - similar to laptop's touchpad, enabling multi-touch, but making impossible to make precise strokes [thus no graffiti/handwriting, no sketching, etc.] - whereas any of the other keyboard-less PDA of the time where all resistive touch screens - only one finger at a time to push the button, but if you use a stylus, you can draw extremely precise sketches, or use handwriting-/drawn symbols- based input.
I couldn't in fact any other thing that the iPhone provided that wasn't provided already on PDA.
Was rather the opposite: back then the iPhone wasn't very open to hacker/devs/community (at the beginning, it was "webapps" only).
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
Fact is, more than 6,000 kids died in the eight years before lawn darts were banned. Now, is it worth banning just to save 763 lives a year?
Out of which population, what are the other causes of death and at which rate ?
In a big enough sample you could even find significant deaths caused by "improper use of handkerchief".
So put those death in relation with the rest.
If you reach the conclusion that "at 20% of all kids' death, this is the third most dangerous activity in this age group" (similar to deaths by car crashes or cardiovascular disease in adults) - yes, introducing a ban, or at least imposing new security regulations would be a nice idea leading to improvement.
If you reach the conclustion that "this only represent 0.1% of all deaths, and is number 143 in the list of all death causes" (similar to deaths by lightning strike or terrorism in developed western countries), you're just wasting resources (though it sucks for those 0.1% kids, there are definitely more urgent matters)
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... when Steve Jobs was CEO.
Of Samsung?
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
never had a cheap chinese battery self-ignite
If Jobs were Samsung CEO, he would have personally thrown somebody out a fricking window over this.
Apple certainly has experience with it. Their exploding laptop batteries date from around 2004 and were still exploding in 2013.
I "admit" that progress often comes with some minor adjustments, and this is no exception.-
But I was actually surprised to already see almost 2 dozen Lightning headphones and earbuds on Amazon, with quality and prices from $799 (!!!) all the way down to $30 or maybe less, and about a half-dozen dual-port charging/listening cables, too. So the "annoyance" won't be lasting long.
Same thing when Apple "removed" the serial ports and floppy drive on the original iMac in 1998. People with serial printers went wild. People that used floppies went wild. But within a year, it was getting hard to find a new printer that wasn't USB. And floppies disappeared from common use soon thereafter.
And so it will be with analog headphones.
This is the second time I've heard of a supposedly "Fixed" Samsung phone going all explodio; so now what?
What was the first one?
A few days ago. Think it was someone in the Far East.
Oh coming from you this is good. Have you asked Apple if they consider this a good idea? Does it void the warranty? Here I thought you were against cheap stuff, but was I wrong! You apparently recommend meetcute as a manufacturer of parts for the iPhone. Are all their products Apple certified? Because guess what. I'd bet a paycheck that if someone came on this forum and said I just bought a splitter from meetcute and my iPhone 7 burned up, you'd be the first to chastise them for using junk that wasn't Apple certified.
Finally, quit with the 'hater' shit. After seeing your portrayal of Android users and Android phones, there's no room on the high road for you.
I pointed out that the cheaper adapter was likely not MFi. I didn't endorse nor warn either way. We're all ostensibly tech-savvy adults here. But I also believe in the power of user reviews. If a device screws up someone's iPhone, I am SURE he/she will be RIGHT THERE to report it!
And considering the insanely personal, over-the-top crap directed to me, usually by Karma-proof ACs, I feel quite justified in dishing a little bit back from time to time. Tough shit.
Here's one that just came in, right after your comment? And all I did was suggest that someone should go to work for Samsung's PR department (I swear!).
Now tell me honestly, how would that make YOU feel?
They follow the Qi wireless standard for their wireless charging. As does just about every other phone maker that offers it. Their fast wireless charging is the latest Qi standard. The wireless charger itself contains an almost imperceptible fan to deal with heat.
The issue isn't wig he CHARGER overheating, it's with the BATTERY. And I doubt seriously that the case of the phone is rated at enough Wattage of heat-dissipation to allow fast-enough heat flow out of the battery, especially when the case isn't really designed to be an efficient heat sink.
You see, what you don't know is that I have been an embedded developer for about four decades, with the majority of my experience in 1/8 to 5 hp. industrial DC and AC motor drive products. So don't presume that, because of my preferred platform choice, that I am a mindless Apple zealot that doesn't know anything but how to FaceTime and okay frickin' Pokemon Go.
I doubt seriously that the iPhone 7 needs a battery-killing "Fast Charge" mode. My iPhone 6 Plus will charge from 0% to 100% in under two hours, and about 35% in about 20 mins. And that's using Apple's little "cube" charger.
Galaxy S and S II. Seriously? Still that sore?
Ok, let's just fast-forward to the iPhone 7 and the S7. Just look at these two phones (by the way, that link was chosen only for the fact that the pictures nicely show how stylistically similar the S7 is to the iPhone 7, both in case an UI design), and tell me that Samsung isn't still following Apple around nearly line by line, pixel by pixel, look and feel-wise. Yeah. Still that sore. You bet!
As you can plainly see, it is just a BIT more than a single feature or two.
Yes it is 3, from the link: remove slide-to-unlock, autocorrect and quick link software
But it doesnt matter, Apple copies the ideas of others (just as others do with Apple) and that is a very good thing why cant you admit that? Can you list any of the things that Apple copied from Google and Microsoft? Surely you are aware of them right? You dont actually think Apple invented every idea in their products do you?
But in the case of the original iPhone, it was THE WHOLE FRICKIN' THING!!!
But I was actually surprised to already see almost 2 dozen Lightning headphones and earbuds on Amazon, with quality and prices from $799 (!!!) all the way down to $30 or maybe less, and about a half-dozen dual-port charging/listening cables, too. So the "annoyance" won't be lasting long.
Yeah except they don't work with anything else, they don't even work with any of my Macs (or any iDevices) and I still need an adapter for the plane when I want to have it on charge and listen to music. With the serial ports and floppy drive it was: "hey we're replacing this with a superior standard", that is not the case here.
But I was actually surprised to already see almost 2 dozen Lightning headphones and earbuds on Amazon, with quality and prices from $799 (!!!) all the way down to $30 or maybe less, and about a half-dozen dual-port charging/listening cables, too. So the "annoyance" won't be lasting long.
Yeah except they don't work with anything else, they don't even work with any of my Macs (or any iDevices) and I still need an adapter for the plane when I want to have it on charge and listen to music. With the serial ports and floppy drive it was: "hey we're replacing this with a superior standard", that is not the case here.
And their contention is that they are replacing the 3.5 mm analog Jack with a superior standard. Reread my post, and think about your response.
And as far as the floppy goes, they really didn't replace it with anything better, because I'm not sure you could even get a CD *BURNER* in the original iMac, and USB sticks really didn't exist yet.
And their contention is that they are replacing the 3.5 mm analog Jack with a superior standard. Reread my post, and think about your response.
I read what you wrote, lightning is not a standard, in fact not only that it isn't even available across Apple's own product lines. Also it wasn't replaced with anything, I had a single lighting connector and bluetooth headphone capability on my iPhone 6 too, if they replaced the headphone jack with another lightning connector then fine - still not a standard but at least it solves one of the annoyances.
Well, for starters, just how much does it cost to ground an airliner, find alternate airliner, repair and fix airliner?
How much will it cost in sales?
Though, it's cheap compared to the lives that might have been lost.
Should people bring lithium batteries on a plane at all?
https://www.youtube.com/c/BrendaEM
or the battery being heated-up by some other device close to it
Like what, tubesteak smothered in underwear??
And their contention is that they are replacing the 3.5 mm analog Jack with a superior standard. Reread my post, and think about your response.
I read what you wrote, lightning is not a standard, in fact not only that it isn't even available across Apple's own product lines. Also it wasn't replaced with anything, I had a single lighting connector and bluetooth headphone capability on my iPhone 6 too, if they replaced the headphone jack with another lightning connector then fine - still not a standard but at least it solves one of the annoyances.
Lightning IS a standard, in the same way that Thunderbolt is a standard, or sacd is a standard, or DVD is a standard, or Zigbee is a standard, or LONTalk is a standard, or Bluetooth is a standard, or Ethernet is a standard, or UPC codes are a standard. Just because Apple developed and is the sole Licensor of that Standard doesn't make it any less of a "Standard" than those other examples.
Can you manufacture a device that claims to read DVDs without a License? No.
Can you manufacture something that needs a Bluetooth ID without a License? no.
Can you manufacture a device that has a SACD logo without a License? No.
Can you manufacture a device that mentions being Zigbee-compatible without a License? No.
Can you manufacture a device that has a MAC address without a License? No.
Can you manufacture ANYTNING that needs a UPC code without a License? No.
Yet no one in their right mind would dream of calling those "Not a Standard". So, since Apple will allow ANYONE who meets their criteria and pays their License Fee to design and sell Lightning-compatible products, claim MFi-Compliance, and be "guaranteed to work" with other Lightning-equipped products, how is that NOT a Standard? Just because some Apple products have Lightning ports and others don't (which will likely be solved this model refresh)? Because Apple requires Licensing? Or is it Because Apple?
You see, it is PRECISELY the MFi certification Program that MAKES Lightning a Standard. Now, if Apple said "No one but Apple shall make Lightning-compatible Products, and we shall sue anyone who tries", THAT would be a NON-Standard. But AFAICT, "sue-happy" Apple hasn't even been going after ANY of the dozens, if not hundreds, of products being openly sold on Amazon that are also openly stated as NOT MFi-Certified, and, as you can see in the Listings and Reviews for those products, Apple doesn't even bother to raise a Compliance-Error Alert when those devices are plugged in. So obviously, "money-grabbing" Apple is MUCH more interested in proliferating Lightning as a Standard than they are in wringing every single penny out of License fees, much less using it as a tool for "vendor lock-in".
So why doesn't Apple just Open Source Lightning? I do not know; but considering how many other things that Apple has Open Soirced, I wouldn't be surprised if they soon do exactly that. But the same thing could be said of the abovementioned examples of "Standards" that are still "Licensed"; some after decades of widespread use.
But in the case of the original iPhone, it was THE WHOLE FRICKIN' THING!!!
The idea of a touchscreen phone for example? I think not. But as I said, you just cant bring yourself to admit Apple copies ideas from other companies.
Seriously? From 4 feet away, the phones are IDENTICAL, both in form and in UI. That is FAR more than the single design elements or single components that you are basing your "rebuttal" on.
They do burn twice as long, though.
I have a set of bluetooth Sennheiser headphones. The battery life is over 20 hours. The noise cancelation on them is nice too. I got them specifically to do as you do.
Wifi and bluetooth can be turned on while in airplane mode. This is also useful while roaming. Also you can get bluetooth headphones that last for 20+ hours now.
Deplaning is removing the plane from the passengers? Depopulating a plane sounds a bit grim.
It's not just your language anymore so grow and deal with it.
Disembark is a perfectly good word though. I'm not sure why that didn't come to mind straight away.
Why rent one for a fee when I've already got one? You see it's quite small and fits in my pocket. I mean why bring clothing when I can just rent new clothes for a small fee...
Just checking... Is that Software or Surveillance as a Service? ;)
They do burn twice as long, though.
So, you're saying Samsung should start rating their battery in BTU, rather than mAh? ;-)
Sennheiser doesn't seem to make bluetooth earbuds? I can't sleep in full headphones.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Don't think so. I have over-ear ones.
Well now you're just being redundant.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
With skills like these I could work in the department of redundancy department.
the old "but something else is worse" fallacy.
It's not a question of "worse". It's all about deaths. You can't be "worse dead than dead". The issue is the same: you're dead.
It's a question about numbers and "should I give a fuck about them".
There's a difference between something that has claimed less than 10 deaths since the dawn of humanity, and something that is likely to claim the life of nearly 50% of all people you've met in your life.
For the people themselves, it's all the same : they're dead anyway. No one is worse than anyone else, they are all in the same situation, as bas as it can gets.
It's for organising something.
If you're going to introduce drastic measures that will require people to completely change their habits and lifestyle, and will prevent them from doing some activities for ever, it'd better be worth.
It's a "cost" vs. "benefit" analysis.
If the cost is high (making some everyday task unbearably annoying, banning for ever some activities, etc..) the benefit ought to be a bit more significant than "prevents 1 death out of trillion" (e.g: chance of dying following a direct meteor impact)
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Yet no one in their right mind would dream of calling those "Not a Standard". So, since Apple will allow ANYONE who meets their criteria and pays their License Fee to design and sell Lightning-compatible products, claim MFi-Compliance, and be "guaranteed to work" with other Lightning-equipped products, how is that NOT a Standard?
Because nobody else can use it in their devices, you can only use it to make accessories for Apple products.
So why doesn't Apple just Open Source Lightning?
Because they can extract license fees from it and this would allow for companies to make accessories that easily work for both iDevices and non-iDevices. It's in their interest as a for-profit company to do exactly this.
But the same thing could be said of the abovementioned examples of "Standards" that are still "Licensed"; some after decades of widespread use.
No, it couldn't. Because anybody can make a DVD and a DVD drive and all they need to do is pay the license fees, you cannot do the same with lightning. HTC can't just come along and make a phone with a lightning port.
But this is all beside the point, the point is what they did is made their newer device more of a pain in the ass to use than their previous one without adding any replacement technology, this is a step backward for Apple in general and I'm not sure what makes you so desperately defend that.
Wifi and bluetooth can be turned on while in airplane mode.
The whole point of Airplane mode is to stop wireless connections. Of course you can selectively turn those features back on but whether it's Windows, Android or iOS when you turn on airplane mode it turns off wifi and bluetooth.
Also you can get bluetooth headphones that last for 20+ hours now.
Which ones?
Yet no one in their right mind would dream of calling those "Not a Standard". So, since Apple will allow ANYONE who meets their criteria and pays their License Fee to design and sell Lightning-compatible products, claim MFi-Compliance, and be "guaranteed to work" with other Lightning-equipped products, how is that NOT a Standard?
Because nobody else can use it in their devices, you can only use it to make accessories for Apple products.
Prove it.
So why doesn't Apple just Open Source Lightning?
Because they can extract license fees from it and this would allow for companies to make accessories that easily work for both iDevices and non-iDevices. It's in their interest as a for-profit company to do exactly this.
Nice selective editing. You disingenuously left off the part where I noted that Apple doesn't seem to be interested in going after manufacturers nor vendors of "bootleg" non-MFi Lightning products.
But the same thing could be said of the abovementioned examples of "Standards" that are still "Licensed"; some after decades of widespread use.
No, it couldn't. Because anybody can make a DVD and a DVD drive and all they need to do is pay the license fees, you cannot do the same with lightning. HTC can't just come along and make a phone with a lightning port.
Prove it.
Apple licensed FireWire, too, yet there were FireWire ports on everything from competitors' computers to cameras to audio interfaces to mixing consoles to who-knows-what. And your assertion flies in the face of your reasoning that Apple wants to enrich themselves with Licensing fees. If that were the case, why WOULDN'T they want to extract a License for a Lightning interface on anything and everything, and ESPECIALLY on competitors' products like phones and laptops?!?
I don't think airlines care about wifi and bluetooth, I mean I've never heard them ask people to make sure they keep their wifi off when everyone has a laptop.
https://en-us.sennheiser.com/m...
https://en-us.sennheiser.com/w...
The second ones say up to 30 hours of battery. The first are 22 I think.
see also:
debus - unload/ exit motor vehicles / esp. busses
detrain - get off a train
debark - get off a boat
depart - to leave a place
Seems we have pattern.
There's a difference of design and purpose of these object.
Lawn darts are basically like scissors.
Lawn darts have a pointy bit, that might get dangerous when use unsupervised.
But they have a use: they are toys, designed for play. Most of people will use it to play, most people will be successful at playing without getting hurt.
(Just like scissors have a sharp edge that could get people hurt. But scissors are extremely useful tools, so they won't get banned)
A kid with a bazooka doesn't serve any purpose. A bazooka is a weapon designed to bring destruction and/or death.
Though some extremely creative (or deranged kid) might be succesful at designing a fun game around one, that's not their typical use.
(Same also why some people, specially people living in the safer parts of the world like me, don't really see the point of needing to own guns).
That's why you're likely to find very few people complaining about the ban on giving their kids bazookas, whereas you'll constantly see people complaining when some random toy they've used to play with when they were kids is suddenly considered too much dangerous and gets banned (like Kinder Suprise chocolate eggs).
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So, what exactly do you see that is the same? I see the generic phone icon...and that is about it. Everything else that is not dictated by purpose looks entirely different. Sorry, but the location of the speaker grill is kind of a universal for phones, and rounded corners are still a normal thing.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
So, what exactly do you see that is the same? I see the generic phone icon...and that is about it. Everything else that is not dictated by purpose looks entirely different. Sorry, but the location of the speaker grill is kind of a universal for phones, and rounded corners are still a normal thing.
Oh please. Just like the first iPhone and its Samsung doppelgänger, from 6 ft. Away, you simply can't reliable pick which one is the iPhone and which is the Samsung. Both the overall design and the UI are just THAT similar.
That is true of every smartphone in existence. So what that means is that Apple copied my Nexus phone, so they are more guilty of copying.
They look nothing alike, you are just too pro Apple to even see the differences.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
That is true of every smartphone in existence. So what that means is that Apple copied my Nexus phone, so they are more guilty of copying.
They look nothing alike, you are just too pro Apple to even see the differences.
They all look alike, because they have been copying the iPhone (which was quite different from every other phone, and especially every other Android phone when it debuted) since the original iPhone in 2007. You are just too anti-Apple to see that. But maybe this will jog your memory. Or maybe this.
Why must I re-litigate this every other WEEK on Slashdot, when the evidence, dated nearly a YEAR after the iPhone debut and nearly 6 months after its RELEASE, regarding who-copied-who is right there in black and white? Heck, Android didn't even HAVE touch-input capabilities AT ALL until more than a YEAR after the first iPhone debuted!
So please, just stop. You're just embarrassing yourself.
So, Apple copied the Palm Pilots?
You just don't get it. Apple made Palm Pilots with Cell phones built in, they copied their predecessor. The reason you have to keep repeating yourself is because you are wrong. Just because you willfully ignore all that came before your precious Apple, doesn't make it not exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Oh wait, someone else beat Apple to the Palm Pilot with a cell phone:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
So I guess you can point right at that and say, Apple copied it.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
So, Apple copied the Palm Pilots?
You just don't get it. Apple made Palm Pilots with Cell phones built in, they copied their predecessor. The reason you have to keep repeating yourself is because you are wrong. Just because you willfully ignore all that came before your precious Apple, doesn't make it not exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Oh wait, someone else beat Apple to the Palm Pilot with a cell phone:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
So I guess you can point right at that and say, Apple copied it.
Really? You really think those PDAs are anything like the iPhone, just because they have some limited touch capability? I owned a Tungsten T5, and the touchscreen was an abysmal piece of shit, the OS was an abysmal piece of shit, the syncing software was an abysmal piece of shit, and the "software" was, well, best left unmentioned.
Pretty annoying, too, considering the amount of ex-Apple engineering talent that originally started Palm.