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12-Year-Old Boy Gets $100K Bill From Google After Confusing Adwords With Adsense (theregister.co.uk)

The names Google gives to its services can be a bit confusing at times, especially since there are so many of them. For example, Adwords and Adsense look and sound very similar but they deal with two different transaction types. While Adwords deals with spending money, Adsense deals with earning money. A 12-year-old boy in Spain managed to confused the two services and ended up with a bill of 100,000 euros ($111,490). The Register reports: Jose Javier, 12, had signed up for Google's Adwords program in order to make money from advertisements placed alongside YouTube videos of his band, the Torrevieja llamada Los Salerosos -- en ingles, the Torrevieja Fun Guys -- named after the Alicante town in which he lives. Unfortunately, for the young musician, Google's AdWords program is for those wishing to advertise at cost, rather than run advertisements for profit. According to a report from Spanish daily El Pais, Jose and a friend planned to buy instruments, play music, get rich and buy a mansion by subscribing to the service. By early September the account was being billed by Google, receiving charges which reportedly rose quickly from an initial 15 euros ($16.72) to 19,700 euros ($21,960.57) at a time until the amount owed hit six figures. Google's statement noted that AdWords has age restrictions in place and encouraged families to familiarize itself with its Safety Center, but the boy's mother complained to El Pais that it was too easy for her son to make the purchases from Google, requiring him only to provide his savings account details, which he did in mid-August. Thankfully, Google was kind enough to cancel the outstanding balance on its Adwords service.

140 comments

  1. 12 Year Old Discovers One Weird Trick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Darn it, if only I'd known sooner that pretending to be a 12-year old boy could have gotten me $100k of advertising for free, then I might not have been fired from my previous job.

    1. Re:12 Year Old Discovers One Weird Trick by sucko · · Score: 1

      pretend, you say?

    2. Re:12 Year Old Discovers One Weird Trick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since Google isn't actually charging him, I'm not sure how this even qualifies as a story. No harm was done.

  2. Contracts with minors by SeattleLawGuy · · Score: 4, Informative

    In the United States, contracts with underage individuals are usually not enforceable unless ratified after the minor reaches adulthood or approved by a court. I am guessing there is something similar in Spain, although the ages may vary.

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    1. Re:Contracts with minors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which is why it's brilliant.

      1. Sign contract you can not legally be held accountable to for "free" advertising.
      2. Get in the news for bewildering amount you owe, have band's name mentioned.
      3. Sign up for Adsense.
      4. Profit from combination of original advertising plus new Streisand effect.

      In the United States, contracts with underage individuals are usually not enforceable unless ratified after the minor reaches adulthood or approved by a court. I am guessing there is something similar in Spain, although the ages may vary.

    2. Re:Contracts with minors by EmeraldBot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Jose and a friend planned to buy instruments, play music, get rich and buy a mansion by subscribing to the service.

      Ah, the ignorance of youth.

      Everyone gets their harsh lesson in reality sooner or later.

      Let them enjoy it, you only get to be 12 once. At the very least, you have to credit them for their rather enterprising ambition...

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    3. Re:Contracts with minors by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one who thought that the $100,000 bill was this bill and that the boy had earned a bug hunting/spell-checking bounty from Google for having caught the mistake?

    4. Re: Contracts with minors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the unemployment rate is particularly high in Spain. The kid is unlikely to find any paid work when he grows up.

    5. Re:Contracts with minors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, it is common for kids to dream of being rich and famous musicians. Not that enterprising, really.

    6. Re:Contracts with minors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but most of them don't go about posting videos on Youtube and then trying to figure out how to make money from it, especially when they are just 12 years old.

    7. Re:Contracts with minors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's also illegal to gather any personal information from someone under 13 online in the US

    8. Re:Contracts with minors by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It's very similar, actually, a contract with a minor is pretty much void if a parent shakes his head. It's actually a bit worse like this, the fact that the minor could get into a contract with you without his parents' consent is already something that could get you into hot water.

      That's probably why Google was so eager to put a lid on it before someone took a closer look.

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    9. Re:Contracts with minors by quenda · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one who thought that the $100,000 bill was...

      So what word do you folks use for such a bill? A check? Invoice?

    10. Re:Contracts with minors by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Have you EVER BEEN TO YOUTUBE?

      I think half the world's 12 year olds are trying it, but obviously not all are succeeding...

    11. Re: Contracts with minors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Google broke their AdWords contract because the kid is under age, what makes you think they'll pay him under an equally-invalid AdSense contract?

    12. Re:Contracts with minors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm one of those people that thumb you down for having an intro or starting a video with "HeyGAIZ11!1" while leaving snide comments.

    13. Re: Contracts with minors by ruir · · Score: 1

      paid is the key...plenty of people wanting you to work for free or for peanuts.

    14. Re:Contracts with minors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, of course, destroying a 12 old boy's life with a crippling $100.000 debt is a completely fair lesson /s

    15. Re: Contracts with minors by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      That's totally ridiculous! Nobody's expecting them to work for nothing.

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    16. Re: Contracts with minors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The street goes on way on this. Google would still be obligated on their end to uphold the contract.

    17. Re:Contracts with minors by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      Invoice would be good. Check would have the same issue as bill. Bill also works if it were say a utility bill or a repair bill. It's ambiguous in the context used because a bill also refers to a note or a piece of paper currency, as in a dollar bill. Since a $100,000 banknote does exist, although never used for public transactions, saying he received a $100,000 note is unclear what exactly he received...was he suddenly a rich 12 year old? Or suddenly serious in debt?

      It could have also been rephrased such as as "received a bill for $100,000".

    18. Re:Contracts with minors by PeelBoy · · Score: 1

      If you count the number of times you get to be 12 in seconds, you get to be 12 over 30 million times. That's a lot of times to be 12!

    19. Re:Contracts with minors by EmeraldBot · · Score: 1

      If you count the number of times you get to be 12 in seconds, you get to be 12 over 30 million times. That's a lot of times to be 12!

      And we get to be any other age for 2,806,704,000 seconds. That's two trillion, eight hundred and six billion, seven hundred and four million. Thirty million is rather paltry in comparison.

      ...

      It's also rather depressing to think that even if we counted a number every second of everyday, for our entire lives, we'd never even make it to three trillion. Puts your life into perspective...

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    20. Re: Contracts with minors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What fucked up ideas about contract law do you have? If the contract is invalid, there is no contract.

    21. Re:Contracts with minors by spudnic · · Score: 1

      That was my exact plan for the Columbia House Record Club. That didn't work out well.

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    22. Re: Contracts with minors by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      In the US, s contract signed by a minor can be voided by the minor. I'm not completely sure whether the other party to the contract can void it. It may be that the kids were the ones who could get out of contracts, and they chose to get out of only one.

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  3. ...what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "requiring him only to provide his savings account details, which he did in mid-August."

    Eh, why did you give a 12 year old this information in the first place? I am genuinely confused as to why he had the banking info needed.

    1. Re:...what? by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      What if his parents gave him a few checks for emergencies? The info is all right there.

    2. Re:...what? by stephanruby · · Score: 5, Informative

      Eh, why did you give a 12 year old this information in the first place? I am genuinely confused as to why he had the banking info needed.

      I can't speak for Spain, but in France, I had a "Jeans" account when I was around that age.

      It came with a bunch of comic books to teach me about banking and a banking ledger that I was supposed to fill out myself.

    3. Re:...what? by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

      I'm in the US and i had a savings account when I was that age. I wasn't able to write checks, but I could deposit them myself. My parents had created the account for me when I was very young, and I was able to do some of my own banking with it when I was around 10 years old.

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    4. Re:...what? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Perhaps so he could learn about banking.

    5. Re:...what? by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      Wait there are 12 year olds who know what a cheque is?

    6. Re:...what? by EmeraldBot · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm in the US and i had a savings account when I was that age. I wasn't able to write checks, but I could deposit them myself. My parents had created the account for me when I was very young, and I was able to do some of my own banking with it when I was around 10 years old.

      I lived in the US as well, but I had a full banking account when I was 10 - I could both deposit and withdraw money. The bank I had offered it as a service to kids, and while I can't speak for others, I think it was great to get a feel for what working with money is like while the only thing on the line was my rather meager allowance.

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    7. Re:...what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Want does a savings account have to do with checks.
      Many minors have savings accounts.

    8. Re:...what? by thebigmacd · · Score: 1

      By "jeans" I'm assuming you mean "jeunes" (youth) ?

    9. Re:...what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, banking propaganda, designed to program the plebs into thinking they're keeping their money safe.

    10. Re:...what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In 1966 my mother took me to the bank when I was about six and opened passbook savings accounts for me and my sister who was 18 months younger. We both still have the passbooks and I still bank at the same place. Rest In Peace Mom.

    11. Re:...what? by jrumney · · Score: 1

      I got my first ATM card when I was 12. Before that, I had a savings account but had to withdraw over the counter (presumably with a parent present - but I never tested whether they would give me my money if I was alone).

    12. Re: ...what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I was about to ask the same thing - I am German (29 y/o), and when I was young, in my early to mid teens, I had a bank account for kids which was called the _exact_ same. Jeans. The little ledger was even bound in a fuzzy blue fabric, and it also came with little comic books about "how to bank" for kids.

    13. Re: ...what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We had the same thing in the UK too, with the comics and the denim passbook. Do you recognise these guys? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TSB-...

    14. Re: ...what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Norway Ive managed my own savings account since 7-8 yrs old. Didnt get much allowance but saved up for C64 and all my PCs from gifts.

    15. Re:...what? by shess · · Score: 1

      "requiring him only to provide his savings account details, which he did in mid-August."

      Eh, why did you give a 12 year old this information in the first place? I am genuinely confused as to why he had the banking info needed.

      They said he was a 12-year-old, not an idiot.

    16. Re: ...what? by maxm · · Score: 1

      It is normal for european kids to have their own account with a debit card to use for paying stuff with. The card also has account info on it.

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    17. Re:...what? by 91degrees · · Score: 2

      I've had a (UK) savings account since I was 6. Couldn't do much except put money in and take money out, but I had an account number and sort code.

    18. Re:...what? by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      I lived in the US as well, but I had a full banking account when I was 10 - I could both deposit and withdraw money. The bank I had offered it as a service to kids, and while I can't speak for others, I think it was great to get a feel for what working with money is like while the only thing on the line was my rather meager allowance.

      It's actually considered essential education - an allowance helps kids develop essential money handling skills in a relatively safe environment. This includes skills like budgeting, saving, spending, and making money. Many banks offer accounts for kids to help facilitate this - which also helps show there's no magic money giving machine.

      There is a very strong correlation between people who didn't have an allowance early in life and those who cannot manage money - ending up in severe debt because they didn't learn money management skills early in life.

      It's why many banks offer no-fee youth accounts that let you do practically everything a normal account does - they realize demystifying money helps them become much better money managers later on and customers who are responsible.

    19. Re: ...what? by GNious · · Score: 1

      Had those in Denmark :)

    20. Re: ...what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sorry, I'm too cynical to believe that banks provide accounts for minors to help them understand budgeting. They do it because research shows that they are likely to stay with that bank as adults and thus the bank will profit by having a bigger user base. Profit drives this, not altruism.

    21. Re:...what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No use if they didn't also give him a time machine to go to a period when cheques were still accepted.

    22. Re:...what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's his account. How could he not have this information?

    23. Re:...what? by houghi · · Score: 1

      There are accounts that are directed to kids in Belgium as well. Parents will be responsible and they can not be overdrawn. They do come with a card, I think. Not really an issue as from 12 years on they will have to have a valid ID with them anyway.
      Many parents are starting to use pre-paid cards as payment is done more and more cashless.

      Is perhaps the easiest way to do it as well. You have a permanent order to transfer their allowance to their account. You can have details on how they are spending that money, if you so wish. You can also explain them abot saving accounts. They can transfer the money they saved to a different account that is only used for saving and can only be used to transfer money to a single account.
      Remember that the banking system in Europe is pretty up to date and "with it". I'm not "with it" anymore, but the banks are.
      Wireless payment, prepaid, payment by phone, online accounts and for those kids it is almost always free, because banks know that most people will stick with their bank till they die. So much cheaper than getting new customers. Hook them while they are young and later they will take the mortage with you.

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    24. Re:...what? by clickclickdrone · · Score: 1

      I've not seen a check/cheque in about ten years - can you still get them?

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    25. Re: ...what? by clickclickdrone · · Score: 1

      My son is 15 and has a GoHenry card. He can buy all his Xbox games/addons etc online plus most of the money only gets released to him when we as parents confirm various chores have been done. Genius.

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    26. Re:...what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm assuming you're a dick. He'd have to be pretty retarded to misspell his own language that badly.

    27. Re:...what? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Eh, why did you give a 12 year old this information in the first place? I am genuinely confused as to why he had the banking info needed.

      I can't speak for Spain, but in France, I had a "Jeans" account when I was around that age.

      It came with a bunch of comic books to teach me about banking and a banking ledger that I was supposed to fill out myself.

      In Oz, you can pretty much have a kids account opened by your parent at the age of 0.

      I had one since i was 4 (the old Dollarmite account) which used to get A$0.50 put in each week... Yes I'm old, back then many people didn't even have debit cards. Of course now days my nephew at age 4 has a bank account although they dont issue him a card. I think you can get a full adult or students account at age 12 but that varies by bank and of course, needs to be opened by your parent or guardian.

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    28. Re:...what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Every 12 year old living in the West.

    29. Re:...what? by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Yes.

      The only consist tie I used them was for rent, But paying for that is going online at a lot of places.

    30. Re: ...what? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      And now I guess you know where they got the clever name. By rhyming with another language. I honestly like it.

    31. Re: ...what? by chihowa · · Score: 1

      In Norway Ive managed my own savings account since 7-8 yrs old. Didnt get much allowance but saved up for C64 and all my PCs from gifts.

      I think it's important that the allowance be small. It should be large enough that it's not just a joke, but too small to let the child afford anything they want all of the time. That helps teach saving, budgeting, and prioritizing what one wants. Windfalls, like from gifts, can be saved or spent and are an important aspect of the whole thing, too.

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    32. Re: ...what? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I think the better reason is to not give them an overinflated impression of the work's value. If they do $50 worth of labor and get a $500 phone it'll just mess with their head. It's better they work for ice cream money and realize the phone is a gift they'd have to work much longer and harder for to buy on their own.

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    33. Re: ...what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, I remember those comics from when I was young (German, 43 y/o).
      I wish the banks today had something similar...

    34. Re:...what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell, when my bank branch got acquired recently the new owners sent me several free books of replacement checks.

    35. Re:...what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not in Europe they don't...

    36. Re:...what? by jofas · · Score: 1

      I think they are largely phased out in Europe.

    37. Re:...what? by thebigmacd · · Score: 1

      You may not have heard of this technology called autocorrect that changes words into other words seemingly at random, especially when the desired word is from a foreign language. Heaven forbid that I seek clarification.

  4. Maybe Google should name it common sense by JoeyRox · · Score: 5, Funny

    So that people without it wont bother trying to use the service.

    1. Re:Maybe Google should name it common sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That would exclude 99.9% of the population.

      Welcome to the 0.1%. Here's your membership card.

  5. COPPA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Children under the age of 13 do not belong on the internet.

    1. Re:COPPA by silas_moeckel · · Score: 2

      Children under 13 have to get on the internet to do their homework.

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    2. Re:COPPA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Children under the age of 13 do not belong on the internet.

      That's a moot point since most people do not belong on the internet.

  6. So, Google ads don't work? by BoogieChile · · Score: 5, Funny

    After all that advertising, they still hadn't sold enough to pay the bill?

    Sounds like Google ads don't really work all that well.

    1. Re:So, Google ads don't work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what were they selling?

    2. Re:So, Google ads don't work? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You're assuming they had a product. They didn't. There was nothing to sell except videos which weren't generating any revenue for some extremely obvious reasons.

  7. Why yes, you are by s.petry · · Score: 1

    While most of us expect commenters not to read TFA, most of us expect that they read at least a couple sentences of the summary.

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    1. Re:Why yes, you are by execthis · · Score: 1

      Who reads anymore? Its so passé.

    2. Re:Why yes, you are by Alumoi · · Score: 1

      Who reads anymore? Its so passé.

      Who spells anymore? It's so passé.

    3. Re:Why yes, you are by execthis · · Score: 0

      Not to nitpick or anything, but according to OED "its, adj. and pron." A.b. "Modifying a verbal noun, gerund, or gerundival clause, forming an embedded phrase corresponding to a clause consisting of it and a main verb." its spelled its.

    4. Re: Why yes, you are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      And if you really understood the OED entry you quoted, you'd realise that it shows that "it's" is not correct in your sentence.

    5. Re: Why yes, you are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh dear. Autocorrect stuffed up my reply. The OED shows that "its" is not correct.

    6. Re:Why yes, you are by Alumoi · · Score: 1

      According to Usage (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/usage/its-or-it-s):
      The word it’s is always short for ‘it is’ (as in it's raining), or in informal speech, for ‘it has’ (as in it's got six legs).
      The word its means ‘belonging to it’ (as in hold its head still while I jump on its back). It is a possessive pronoun like his.
      A little sign like ’ can make a lot of difference, you know.
      But English is not my first language so maybe I'm wrong.
      Anyway, let's get back to bashing MS and Apple, ignore the OP and TFA, insult each other and have a good time.

    7. Re:Why yes, you are by execthis · · Score: 1

      I get that the possessive sense is always its but OED says preceding a gerund or noun-verb that "its" is also correct. In the case of passé which is an adjective I'm not sure. OED doesn't specifically list the contraction anywhere although perhaps they take it as implied.

      Under the "it" entry there are numerous examples dating back to the 17th century of the contraction being used. It's also interesting to note that that "tis (or 'twas) would have been used. So I will correct it:

      'Tis passé.

    8. Re:Why yes, you are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to Usage (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/usage/its-or-it-s):
      The word it’s is always short for ‘it is’ (as in it's raining), or in informal speech, for ‘it has’ (as in it's got six legs).
      The word its means ‘belonging to it’ (as in hold its head still while I jump on its back). It is a possessive pronoun like his.
      A little sign like ’ can make a lot of difference, you know.
      But English is not my first language so maybe I'm wrong.
      Anyway, let's get back to bashing MS and Apple, ignore the OP and TFA, insult each other and have a good time.

      Yes, you are right: "it's" is a contraction for "it is". Possesive is "its".

    9. Re:Why yes, you are by Alumoi · · Score: 1

      Ah, much better now. thank you. My 'grammer' nazi sense is satisfied.

    10. Re:Why yes, you are by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      OED says preceding a gerund or noun-verb that "its" is also correct.

      Its failing was a tragedy, i.e. the failing belonged to it. Correct but it sounds a bit archaic to me.

      In the case of passé which is an adjective I'm not sure.

      That's not the same. I'm sure and you're wrong.

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    11. Re:Why yes, you are by tburkhol · · Score: 2, Informative

      I get that the possessive sense is always its but OED says preceding a gerund or noun-verb that "its" is also correct. In the case of passé which is an adjective I'm not sure

      Your OED passage says that the phrase, "its going," is ok, much like, "his going." "Its [gerund]" can be confusing, because it is (audibly) indistinguishable to mean "It is going" or the going of it, but it should be clear from context.

      You would never say, "His passe," nor should you use "its passe."

    12. Re:Why yes, you are by s.petry · · Score: 1

      While there are no other exceptions I can think of, the possessive form of "it" does not have the same rules. "It Is" is "it's", while the possessive form removes the quote. E.G. "The cat chased its own tail." Is a correct statement, where "The cat chased it's own tail." would expand to "The cat chased it is own tail." and would not be correct.

      I believe this same odd rule exists in UK English as well as American English as I have seen it enough.

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    13. Re:Why yes, you are by execthis · · Score: 1

      Another way to look at it is: Any place where 'tis (or 'twas) would be suitable would also be suitable for it's. I think we should switch to 'tis from now on.

    14. Re:Why yes, you are by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't that be, "Its failure was a tragedy"? ;-)

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    15. Re:Why yes, you are by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      No. We're talking about the construction using a gerund. Look it up.

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  8. Channel Link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bummer that neither story includes a link to his channel, he could've gotten some good exposure.

  9. Ditto. Now I have many: 401K, Roth, IRA, HSA ... by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Same here. I learned a few things. With that head start, I learned about other types of accounts, so now I have a 401k, an IRA, a Roth, an HSA ...

    Then again, I started typing up invoices and sending them out when I was 12. I remember the first invoice I mailed was to the elementary school I attended the year before, for services I performed at their school carnival.

  10. Anyone notice by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    that google sold him $100k worth of advertising before collecting any money (there couldn't have been much in his savings account). And they didn't bother to verify much. It tells me they're having trouble moving ad space....

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    1. Re:Anyone notice by non0score · · Score: 1

      You only get charged when your ad gets placed. So if anything, it was too easy to place his ads. If Google had to collect money every time someone spends $1000, then they'd have to collect too often.

    2. Re:Anyone notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Google had to collect money every time someone spends $1000, then they'd have to collect too often.

      Perhaps they should do it. At least with new, unverified, accounts.

      A few decades ago here in Sweden, Telia (or perhaps they still were Televerket back then) was criticized for sending out large monthly phone bills due to premium rate calls or excessive modem use. This resulted in them sending an invoice each time the amount exceeded 5000 SEK (about €500).

      Side note. If you had a poor credit rating or didn't have a national identity number, you had to deposit 5000 SEK to get a land line. I don't know if this still applies.

    3. Re:Anyone notice by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      that google sold him $100k worth of advertising before collecting any money (there couldn't have been much in his savings account). And they didn't bother to verify much. It tells me they're having trouble moving ad space....

      Well apparently they billed in him €17 the first month, which seems about right. I am more thinking the rest is some kind of scam.

    4. Re:Anyone notice by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      We do know that European Google wears a goatee and has a motto of "be evil"...

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    5. Re:Anyone notice by omnichad · · Score: 1

      In the US, at least, they start auto-charging upon reaching a $50 balance, and then bump it up to progressively larger amounts if you spend more than that regularly.

  11. Google was kind enough to cancel outstanding bill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... because a contract with a minor is legally unenforceable.

  12. Did Adwords change? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The last time I used Adwords, it was necessary to pay a sum of money in advance. Once that sum was used up, the ad would automatically stop running. When did Google change from prepay to billing after the ads have already run?

    1. Re:Did Adwords change? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Since some middle-manager didn't hit his target?

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  13. I didn't know they still printed... by execthis · · Score: 1

    I didn't know they still print $100,000 bills. I remember $500's though. Wish they still made them.

    1. Re:I didn't know they still printed... by ruir · · Score: 1

      There are 500 euro bills. They are quite rare, and not minted in a couple of countries of the European Union. Which does not prevent them arriving from other countries. I have heard they will disappear "because of money laundering"....(the war on money)

    2. Re:I didn't know they still printed... by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      I didn't know they still print $100,000 bills. I remember $500's though. Wish they still made them.

      The no longer print any of those, but $500 can still be used legally... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  14. How is that possible? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I used Adwords a few years ago, as a kind of test. At the time, I set a limit of $100, thus depending on how many people click the ad, the limit is reached more or less quickly. But in any case, $100 was the maximum I had to pay.

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    1. Re:How is that possible? by Kjella · · Score: 2

      I used Adwords a few years ago, as a kind of test. At the time, I set a limit of $100, thus depending on how many people click the ad, the limit is reached more or less quickly. But in any case, $100 was the maximum I had to pay.

      If you haven't realized you're spending money, you're not likely to set a limit of how much money. It does show that Google will let you rack up a huge bill without credit checks though, but I guess they make more money keeping the barrier low and letting their collections/fraud department deal with those who don't pay up.

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    2. Re:How is that possible? by quenda · · Score: 1

      I guess the kid ticked the box for "unlimited income".

    3. Re:How is that possible? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      AFAIR the limit was mandatory, at least at the time. And you had to allocate a sum of money that would be spent by Adwords. Either that changed, or the kid did something else..

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    4. Re:How is that possible? by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 0

      See firstChild(firstChild(parent(parent))).

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    5. Re:How is that possible? by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that be a box for "unlimited outgo"?

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    6. Re:How is that possible? by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      the kid thought he was setting up to get money, so for limit he probably did put 100,000

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  15. Re:fishy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only a commie scam-artist like you would have done that, roman_mir

  16. Adwords billing thresholds are well below 100K by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Something is fishy about this story. Google Adwords in Spain uses an Automatic Payment system which requires a credit card and which demands payments when the new account reaches a charge of 50 Euros. Google Adwords stops all account advertising if the bill is not paid immediately. The "billing threshold" increases over time as payments are made but typically for most accounts the "billing threshold" will reach the point where a payment is demanded for every 500 Euros of account activity or every 30 days whichever comes first. The Google Adwords payment system is set up to avoid ever getting into the situation described in the article about this boy. Those much rarer accounts which have pay-per-click advertisements that cost well above this billing threshold have safeguards in place to ensure that payments are going to be made before Adwords allows the account to engage in placing those ads. This article smells not only fishy but also tastes like baloney.

    1. Re:Adwords billing thresholds are well below 100K by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Hey mom! I want to earn 5 Euros on this Google thing. Borrow your Amex card? Thanks!" "Oh yes, Google, I'm an adult! Trust me!"
      Later
      "Holy shit! I just earned 500 Euros in 10 minutes.... this being an Internet Millionaire stuff is easy! But I won't tell Mom because I want enough for a new amp and bass! Time to up the coverage!"

    2. Re:Adwords billing thresholds are well below 100K by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something is fishy about this story.

      The story come from The Register. Of course something is fishy about it. My dead cat has more integrity.

    3. Re:Adwords billing thresholds are well below 100K by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a Debit Card with a Visa logo for my savings account in middle school

    4. Re:Adwords billing thresholds are well below 100K by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the kid's bank account had over $100k in it and Google was just dipping out of it as needed since it was connected...

  17. Re:You can never confuse this with any other post by davester666 · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty sure I've seen a couple other posts by Anonymous Coward...

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  18. Strange by lapm · · Score: 1

    In my country google would have to cover it themselfs. 12 year old here cant make legally binding contracts...

    1. Re:Strange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is why Google cancelled the bill, once they found out about the situation.

  19. They were not "kind"! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They were (at least were I live) legally forced to write it off since the 12-year-old was legally unable to sign a contract like this.
    Therefore all costs or fees from this contract are null and void.

  20. Re:You can never confuse this with any other post by bytesex · · Score: 0

    You spelled 'frist' incorrectly.

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  21. Re: Google was kind enough to cancel outstanding b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Therefore, they were "kind" in the same sense that a mugger surrounded by a SWAT team is "kind enough" to drop the gun.

  22. It Didn't Work for Tesla by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    An autopilot on a boat or plane requires constant human supervision to make sure it doesn't kill you. So Tesla named their semi-autonomous driving feature 'Autopilot' because that tells the story, right? Nope. People are reading or sitting in the passenger seat while their car drives merrily down the highway.

    You could name a big red button the "Thiswillkillyou button" and people would still press it to see what it did.

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    1. Re:It Didn't Work for Tesla by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      You could name a big red button the "Thiswillkillyou button" and people would still press it to see what it did.

      I think that says more about human curiosity than it does about human common sense.

      The common sense part would be to press the button with a 10' pole...

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    2. Re:It Didn't Work for Tesla by Wulf2k · · Score: 1

      I'd just look at where the wires from the button went.

    3. Re:It Didn't Work for Tesla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could name a big red button the "Thiswillkillyou button" and people would still press it to see what it did.

      I would. Curiosity and all that.

  23. A clue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... make the purchases from Google ...

    Wasn't this a clue that something was wrong?

    ... account was being billed by Google ...

    For what: What work did Google do for them?

  24. Owl accounts by phorm · · Score: 1

    One of the main banks in Canada, CIBC, had what were called Owl accounts for kids which were fee-exempt and allowed parents to monitor. IIRC they had some bad press at one time when kids passed the age threshold and were suddenly dumped into fee-based accounts without notice.

    1. Re:Owl accounts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if your bank charges fees for a savings account you are banking at the wrong bank.. i have had no fee savings accounts my whole life since i was 8 years old at several different banks. the only requirement was a minimum balance in the account which ranged from just $5 to $100 depending on the bank.

  25. Unenforcable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A 12 year old cannot enter into a legally binding contract. Google screwed up.

  26. Re: Google was kind enough to cancel outstanding b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Minors can enter into some contracts for "Necessities" such as food, housing, legal, or medical services by themselves without a legal guardian. these are enforceable and not voidable just for being a minor.

  27. Really? by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    Come on guys. There was no confusion. Every time you sign up for a service they ALWAYS tell you what the terms are. This isn't Google's first business after all. They have a whole team that does nothing but figure out legal stuff. In order to participate you have to agree to a bunch of terms. One of which of course would have barred him - his age.

    So no, there was no confusion. He didn't read the contract. Just like a lot of slashdot people (ok, just about all of us) that never bother to RTFA.

    1. Re:Really? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      This isn't Google's first business after all.

      I mean, it actually is. Now, it's not a new business, but selling ads is their first and primary revenue stream.

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  28. Is this story true? by DanielBob · · Score: 1

    This story seems a little bit weird. First of all, Google has a policy of suing the people and companies that don't pay their balances. I know this because we received a notice from them after we forgot to pay one of the bills after we advertised our website through their services. I'm not sure if this policy applies all over Europe but since I live in the EU, I can conclude that Spain must be included. Therefore, it seems unlikely to me that Google would just let one of their advertisers (regardless of the age) keep pilling on debt, month after month. Good ol' Google even erased the kid's balance. What a kind hearted company! Let me ask this question: What would happen if 100.000 clients all made the same mistake? What would Google do then?