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CIA 'Siren Servers' Can Predict Social Uprisings Several Days Before They Happen (sociable.co)

Through a combination of machine learning and deep learning, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is using powerful supercomputers, dubbed "Siren Servers" by computer philosophy writer Jaron Lanier, to predict social unrest days before it happens. The Sociable reports: CIA Deputy Director for Digital Innovation Andrew Hallman announced that the agency has beefed-up its "anticipatory intelligence" through the use of deep learning and machine learning servers that can process an incredible amount of data. "We have, in some instances, been able to improve our forecast to the point of being able to anticipate the development of social unrest and societal instability some I think as near as three to five days out," said Hallman on Tuesday at the Federal Tech event, Fedstival. The CIA deputy director said that it was "much harder to convey confidence for the policymaker who may make an important decision from advanced analytics with deep learning algorithms." Now that the CIA claims to be able to predict social unrest days in advance, there are some interesting theoretical possibilities that can come of this. One is that the CIA's siren servers will become so efficient that they will predict all social uprising and will be able to prevent it. If they are successful in doing that, there would be no need for the CIA as their technology could predict and prevent any societal upheavals, and the agency would be obsolete. Another potential outcome would be that the CIA could use the data and not tell anyone, just like the finance sector did, and then make calculated decisions on whether or not to intervene in any socially distressing situation.

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  1. Bullshit by sexconker · · Score: 5, Funny

    They can't predict shit. Not social unrest, not the weather, and not Pokemon Go.

    1. Re:Bullshit by burningcpu · · Score: 2, Funny

      +1, excellent first post. Shit, we might as well close the comments and move to the next story. We've already gotten to the meat of it.

    2. Re: Bullshit by icebike · · Score: 2

      Of course they can.
      Most of the dissidents in this country are well known and tracked as closely as if they had implanted GPS transmitters.

      The same people show up at every protest, get arrested and let go by every city they visit by liberal judges. A phone call from Washington, a hint of a under cover arrangement, and a get out of jail free card.

      Dozens if not hundreds of arrests, and they just walk.

      Why? The Feds get more information from them running around loose than they would if they were in jail.

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    3. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When predicting weather the false positives matter.
      When predicting the people standing up against the government it doesn't. You just shut them down hard, regardless of if they are actually trying or not.

    4. Re:Bullshit by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nah, it's easy. Systemic racism, poverty and an unarmed black guy gets murdered by cops, then a few days later there is unrest.

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  2. Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's easy to predict things you are the cause of.

  3. "and prevent any societal upheavals" by Nutria · · Score: 2

    Assumes that you can -- in fact -- rapidly prevent societal upheavals with anything but force, which still leaves the root cause unresolved.

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    1. Re:"and prevent any societal upheavals" by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

      Presumably if social upheavals gather momentum through social media you could dampen, redirect, or prevent them through censorship or propoganda.

      Or allowing a conveniently-timed terrorist attack to occur when they had foreknowledge and warnings well ahead of time, and/or causing or allowing someone or some group to cause a major blackout, or inciting a *different* group to violence against the group(s) that stand in the way of more power & control, or simply to keep the first group out of the 24-hr news cycle long enough for them to lose steam. It's already been proven that they've used government agencies like the IRS to illegally harass and obstruct individuals and groups that stand in the way of them increasing their power & control.

      There's a lot more those in the US government can do besides social media propaganda/psyops/censorship to combat their political opponents and others that want to rein-in government power, scope, size, and cost when they have an unlimited ability to reach into everybody's pockets and no consequences to themselves even if caught red-handed. As a result, they have few fears or limits concerning what they can do or how far they can go.

      The real division in the US is not among political parties, races/ethnicities, sexes/sexual-identities, or any other cultural/societal 'subgroup' like that.

      There are now only two classes in the US that matter. The ruling political class and their cronies, and then everyone else. The US mafia never died, it simply moved to Washington D.C.

      The two major political parties are Kabuki theater, nothing more. They agree on almost everything except a few wedge-issues designed to incite strong emotions and create strong divisions among the populace, which then allows them to pit groups against each other. Meanwhile, they can ride to the rescue with lots of new restrictions on freedom to 'solve' these societal problems they, themselves, created, often by design.

      Strat

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    2. Re:"and prevent any societal upheavals" by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 5, Funny
      In the olden days, the solution was to let James Brown play live on TV.

      Somehow Justin Beiber just does not have the same effect.

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  4. I don't think so by jenningsthecat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they are successful in doing that, there would be no need for the CIA as their technology could predict and prevent any societal upheavals...

    The authors are utterly naive if they think that the CIA's primary role is intelligence gathering, or that they even care overly much about quelling "societal upheavals". The spooks are at least as much about manipulating situations and people, and about spreading disinformation, (not to mention ensuring the Agency's continued existence), as they are about preventing any grief except their own. "Anticipatory Intelligence" is just a tool that allows them to carry on a faster, more efficient, more effective, more lucrative version of 'business as usual'.

    I'd be very interested to hear Edward Snowden weigh in on this.

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    1. Re:I don't think so by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      And how's the weather in Langley today?

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  5. What if... by wbr1 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Hypothetical...if this is possible..

    What if the 'social upheaval' is justified? What if it is technically allowed by the 1st amendment? What if they tell the president that riots are due to start in xyz town and move in the National Guard, even though those riots are due to true injustice that needs to be addressed?

    Can the government stop speech before it happens? What does that leave for the already shattered remnants of democracy?

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    1. Re:What if... by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What do you mean if? Go back and watch "Selma" and you'll see that even in the 1960s they were looking to identify the movers and shakers and where they were going to stir up trouble with wiretaps. This is the same on steroids, same way stock robots try to analyze if people generally talk positive or negative about a stock without really understanding the news. If it's building up to a frenzy and a riot, there will have to be a lot of buzz in social media up front. Without knowing what they exactly are, I'm sure that with big data you'll find the words or phrases that indicate it's really going down and not just a bunch of keyboard warriors talking big. And the level of coordination required means you'll have the where and when repeated many times to many different people.

      What you choose to do about it really depends on who you are, what you want and what you're capable of. Maybe you just want to keep the situation under control, maybe you want it to get out of control so you can justify coming in to crush it, maybe you want to arrest a few leaders and scare people from showing up in the first place. The last one would actually be the creepiest, crushing riots is public and messy. Snuffing them out before they even start is silent but deadly. If you're a foreign intelligence agency though, would you like to warn about it to allies? Incite riots in unfriendly states? Who knows. On the other hand, the speed information spreads might also lead to bigger and faster flash mobs than before so I'm not sure if it's really easier or harder to get the word out.

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    2. Re:What if... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      What if the 'social upheaval' is justified? What if it is technically allowed by the 1st amendment? What if they tell the president that riots are due to start in xyz town and move in the National Guard, even though those riots are due to true injustice that needs to be addressed?

      I've got two words for you to google: WTO PROTEST. If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know to drop the "What if", then nothing will — but compare and contrast the French response to a protest. French SWAT cops wear masks so that they cannot be identified later, and this is the country that's banned the burkini... but they'll tolerate mass protests in the streets any day of the week.

      Freedom is incredibly unevenly distributed. The only rhyme or reason to it is that some groups are easy to target, but there's plenty of injustice to go around. Everyone gets some.

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  6. Social engineering by chromaexcursion · · Score: 2

    Asimoz first wrote about in Foundation close to 50 years ago. Perhaps some should read it. it's still applicable.

    1. Re: Social engineering by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Informative

      Psychohistory. Long live Hari Seldon.

      Yeah, until the Mule comes along and throws a spanner into the works.

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  7. Not again... by burtosis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First they take 1984 and treat it like a user manual and now they are attempting to go full on minority report pre-crime? It's getting harder and harder to just laugh off that dystopian future.

  8. how is this beneficial? by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Insightful

    honest question: how does this help general society? the way i see it, if people are so pissed off all the time that you can't tell if you are about to fubar things then you have no business being in any position of authority.

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    1. Re:how is this beneficial? by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      The US can save its freedom fighters, king, general, theocracy from grass roots democracy from civil society.
      With a few days warning any form of US friendly gov can be fully protected from its own people.
      Efforts by the working class or patriotic right can be discovered, tacked and removed before any international media finds out about domestic calls for change. No calls for democracy gain traction, no international media, no counter coup.

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  9. Re:Some social unrest is needed by Nutria · · Score: 2

    Sounds like our government is starting to fear the citizens and wants to know as early as possible

    OR... it's the prudent and reasonable duty of every government to try and foresee any sort of societal trouble (at home and abroad).

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  10. Re:Don't act on the info! by freeze128 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They wouldn't prevent the uprisings, but maybe they could just short a bunch of stocks and make a lot of money.

  11. Statistical explanation by kanweg · · Score: 2

    After analysis of the AI system it was found that the impressive predictive results were to a large extent explained by the input parameter: Police officer shoots unarmed man and the police tries to cover it up with lies.

    Bert

  12. What BS by mbone · · Score: 2

    Most "social uprisings" result from unforeseeable impulsive events (like a shooting). How are you going to predict those?

    Maybe, just maybe, you could give a weather report like "chance of uprising is X%," but I would want to see some verification of these probabilities (are they better, for example, that just saying that riots are more probable in hot, humid weather than immediately after a snowstorm?).

  13. Re:Shooting innocent unarmed black man by infolation · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The human race has already developed cheap, portable supercomputers, many time more powerful than the CIA's 'supercomputer' that are expert at predicting social unrest. I have one in my possession right now.

    By simply 'walking' around the target district and simply 'talking' to people, you'll get a pretty good sense of whether social unrest is going to happen.

    Why does everything need to be done by remote control using computers?

  14. The CIA cannot use the knowledge too much by A+Pressbutton · · Score: 2

    It is a bit like the output from the Enigma machine, if you used the knowledge too much, the Germans would have worked out that they were being 'Hacked' and then start doing something else that could not be 'hacked' in the same way.

    however, you can be better placed to pick up the pieces.

    US citizens may be able to correct me, but I thought that the CIA was only allowed to snoop outside the US

  15. For several reasons by waspleg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    - Agents sent to the field might be swayed by emotional or logical appeals.

    - Remote surveillance means a permanent record and centralized control of both the data and the people using it.

    - Social unrest is a threat to a police state and the status quo so "they" are doing everything to quell those things before they become popular enough to affect change.

    - To paraphrase Alan Watts, all big institutions exist for themselves and their own continued existence and not the people they purport to serve. Remote everything plays to the military industrial complex's strengths. The machine intends to stay in power.