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Samsung Orders the Global Shutdown of Both Sales and Exchanges of Galaxy Note 7 (betanews.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from BetaNews: Sigh. The Galaxy Note 7. What should have been a wildly popular and successful smartphone has become a synonymous with failure, and fodder for jokes. As everyone knows, the phone has been exploding and catching fire, creating serious risk for consumers. The phone was eventually recalled and replaced, although that process was bungled by Samsung -- there was much confusion. Not to mention, there was criticism that the recall was not initially an official one. With the issues seemingly in the rear view mirror, the scandal was over, right? Wrong. Now, the replacement models are reportedly exploding too. Enough is apparently enough. Following rumors that production of the phone was being ceased, today, Samsung orders the global shutdown of both sales and exchanges of Galaxy Note 7. Samsung has formally issued the following statement: "We are working with relevant regulatory bodies to investigate the recently reported cases involving the Galaxy Note 7. Because consumers' safety remains our top priority, Samsung will ask all carrier and retail partners globally to stop sales and exchanges of the Galaxy Note 7 while the investigation is taking place. We remain committed to working diligently with appropriate regulatory authorities to take all necessary steps to resolve the situation. Consumers with either an original Galaxy Note 7 or replacement Galaxy Note 7 device should power down and stop using the device and take advantage of the remedies available."

126 comments

  1. why hasn't apple taken advantage.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    trade-in your samsung galaxy note 7, blown-up or not*, for a new iphone 7.

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    1. Re:why hasn't apple taken advantage.. by silverkniveshotmail. · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because giving away phones doesn't make any money?

    2. Re:why hasn't apple taken advantage.. by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      I doubt that Apple wants to be holding them when they explode either.

    3. Re:why hasn't apple taken advantage.. by chill · · Score: 1

      It most certainly can if you can recover the costs by capturing the customers in Apple's ecosystem.

      This would be a variation of the razor-blade model of sales.

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    4. Re:why hasn't apple taken advantage.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is primarily a hardware company. They aren't going to make up for the loss of a free iPhone through app downloads in the app store.

      Dumb idea.

    5. Re:why hasn't apple taken advantage.. by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      If the phone is as good as people say they are, then they will make a customer that will purchase more phones in the future.

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    6. Re: why hasn't apple taken advantage.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But won't Note 7 customers burned by Samsung *already* be looking at Apple now?

    7. Re: why hasn't apple taken advantage.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, because Apple doesn't offer a phone that is in the same category. If they had an iPhone Pro with pen support, that would be different, but they do not. I'd go to a Pixel before I locked myself "back" into iTunes, but since it's not a priority, I'll just wait for Samsung to sort this out. Its Wacom stylus, more desktop like features of Android, and options like a SD Card are why it's worth the wait.

    8. Re:why hasn't apple taken advantage.. by DivineKnight · · Score: 1

      Why hasn't the NSA taken advantage of this, and airlifted a few hundred thousand to Puty's new-old KGB? "With love, from the US of A, Good Luck on Cold War 2; PS We preinstalled Plants Vs. Zombies 3!"

    9. Re: why hasn't apple taken advantage.. by bjwest · · Score: 1

      But won't Note 7 customers burned by Samsung *already* be looking at Apple now?

      Of course they will, they have no choice. Everyone know the only two phone manufacturers are Samsung and Apple.

      Oh, wait! For most people, it's the Android experience they're after. Kind of hard to get that while walled up in the Apple jail.

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    10. Re: why hasn't apple taken advantage.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      customers burned by Samsung

      I see what you did there.

    11. Re: why hasn't apple taken advantage.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Putin will send a thank you card back, nicely sprinkled with polonium.

    12. Re: why hasn't apple taken advantage.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brian Green is the guy whose Galaxy Note 7 replacement caught fire in a plane. According to this article, he's replaced it with an iPhone.

    13. Re: why hasn't apple taken advantage.. by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Oh well if Brian Green did that, then iPhone must be just the same. Thanks for the update.

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    14. Re: why hasn't apple taken advantage.. by sucko · · Score: 0

      there was a pen on those fucking things?

      ha!

    15. Re: why hasn't apple taken advantage.. by torkus · · Score: 1

      Oh, and the Note 7 is the only phone made by Samsung.

      I two of them, zero problems, and it's a great device. The extremely small chance of a fire really doesn't have me very worried. It amazes me that Samsung recalled eleventeen billion phones over a few dozen confirmed reports of issues.

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    16. Re:why hasn't apple taken advantage.. by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Precisely! This is a high margin phone, and Apple has an impressive market share in its own right w/o giving it away. Better question would have been - why doesn't Microsoft try to grab market share by offering discounted exchanges?

    17. Re:why hasn't apple taken advantage.. by OwenW4rd · · Score: 1

      Because giving away phones doesn't make any money?

      They can make it up in volume.

    18. Re: why hasn't apple taken advantage.. by bjwest · · Score: 1

      If I understand what the problem is, Samsung tried to squeeze the battery into a slightly too thin phone. While this might not present a problem out of the box, nor for the vast majority of owners, all it would take to cause a failure is to bend over to pick something up with the phone in your back pocket. This might not cause an immediate failure, nor a failure be caused by only one flexing of the phone, but I can see many of them developing this problem over time. I think they made the right call. It seems to be a design problem with the phone, and it's too late to redesign and relaunch a new one.

      IMHO phones are getting too thin for lithium ion batteries. They need to stiffen the bodies or find a safer power source.

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  2. Galaxy 7 by plopez · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Ford Pinto of mobile phones.

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    1. Re: Galaxy 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      At least we know the HCF instruction is fully implemented.

    2. Re: Galaxy 7 by macs4all · · Score: 0

      At least we know the HCF instruction is fully implemented.

      LOL!

    3. Re:Galaxy 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're rear-ending it wrong.

    4. Re:Galaxy 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      to be fair, the pinto was a fine automobile that could transport you from point a to point b safely.... the fuel tank issue was a problem, yes, but blown way out of proportion. the pinto was no less safe than other similarly-sized vehicles of its time.

      had a pinto in the mid-late 80s, the only damage received was emotional, from all the heckling and jokes, not from the car itself. nothing we couldn't handle, we liked the car. and it had the added benefit of neither of us ever being asked to give someone a ride. major bonus. imagine an uber pinto -- all those rider-initiated cancellations at pick-up that you still collect some payment for.

      the samsung phone, however, contains faulty charging circuitry and/or battery and could spontaneously combust at any time... without a particularly quirky 1-in-a-billion rear-end accident (and one where the direct impact of the crash was going to kill you anyway) to cause it.

    5. Re:Galaxy 7 by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 2

      The Ford Pinto of mobile phones.

      You are charging it wrong.

    6. Re:Galaxy 7 by sconeu · · Score: 0

      Apparently, no matter how hard they try, Samsung just can't stop its developers from using the Halt And Catch Fire (HCF) instruction.

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    7. Re: Galaxy 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *Fiero

    8. Re:Galaxy 7 by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      More like the Chevrolet Corvair - driving along normally and then OMG I'M IN A DITCH.

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    9. Re:Galaxy 7 by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

      The problem was also present in later cars too, I think the Mustang and Crown Vic had the same issue, they sandwiched the gas tank vertically behind the differential pumpkin. That way in a rear end crash, it crushed the gas tank and ruptured it. They fixed it in later models by mounting the gas tank horizontally atop the pumpkin. The Pinto Wagon had problems with the gas filler neck too, IIRC.

      I had a Fire Engine Red 1972 Pinto in high school. I had a "Danger: Flammable" bumper sticker on it as was the fashion at the time!

      It was a great car, it's top speed was 77 MPH on a flat road, pedal to the floor and you couldn't redline the engine. The German 1600cc 4 cylinder engine was one of the best ever made. The Canadian 2300cc one was a bit more powerful, but the 1600 was more reliable.

      Got many miles on it until it finally required a manual points adjustment (tune up) every week or so. I even had sex in that car, and man, that was very difficult, but not impossible! :D

      As for the phone, I have an S7 Edge and it's great, no battery issues. They should have used the same ones in the Note, but they probably had to make it smaller for the pen storage area, I'm guessing.

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    10. Re:Galaxy 7 by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Just so you know, I once drove a Ford Pinto from the Virginia-Tennessee state line to California.

      And the transmission didn't fall out until I reached Bakersfield, so there. :-P

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    11. Re:Galaxy 7 by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Samsung, for all their faults, deserve credit for not blaming the users on this one though.

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    12. Re:Galaxy 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Samsung, for all their faults, deserve credit for not blaming the users on this one though.

      No Samsung just dropped the ball on quality assurance to the point where their entire production run of their flag ship phones blows up on their customers. Comparing this to 'antennagate' and insinuating that 'antennagate' was somehow worse is bloody outrageous.

  3. Re:FTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I poked a small hole in mine, deflated it, taped it, and kept using it for quite a while with only minimal puffing after that

  4. BREAKING: If S7 on Fire, Turn It Off by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Also, turn off your S7 if it's smoking, unless the smoking light is on or you're in the West.

    In the event of a plane crash, you can use your S7 to light a signal flare.

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    1. Re:BREAKING: If S7 on Fire, Turn It Off by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Also, turn off your S7 if it's smoking, unless the smoking light is on or you're in the West.

      In the event of a plane crash, you can use your S7 to light a signal flare.

      No need. In the event of a crash, the S7 will BE the signal flare!

    2. Re: BREAKING: If S7 on Fire, Turn It Off by Chris453 · · Score: 2

      It is the Note 7 that has issues, not the S7. At least get the model right...

    3. Re: BREAKING: If S7 on Fire, Turn It Off by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the average user will so easily tell the difference. Samsung's brand department will have to do a lot of damage control to explain to people why no other phone on their Galaxy line is the Note 7

  5. fuck you Samsung by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is what you get for putting so much bloatware and shit fuckery on these God damn phones. It's too much! My note 7 is so slow right now because it's overloaded with so much crap, probably why they ke

    1. Re: fuck you Samsung by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BANG

  6. Scary working for a retail phone carrier by qzzpjs · · Score: 1

    Just think with all those possible exploding phones coming back for replacement. The stores are going to be dangerous places with all those Note 7's sitting in boxes until they can ship them out. Not even sure the cargo airlines would want to permit them on board either.

    1. Re:Scary working for a retail phone carrier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or they will you know, shut them off before they ship them. Phones only explode or burn when powered on and mostly while charging.
      Not a danger for airlines as they would be powered off while in transport.

    2. Re:Scary working for a retail phone carrier by torkus · · Score: 1

      None of them are being shipped by air - that would actually be very much illegal.

      I have one of the corporate demo devices and they sent a fire resistant box (fully lined with fire-retardant ceramic matting) with HAZMAT exception paperwork, pre-paid sticker, and 'GROUND ONLY' in big letters.

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  7. That is going to leave a mark by dunkindave · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This whole thing has been a fiasco. Bad engineering. Bad public relations. Hiding their knowing that there was a problem. Being forced into a recall, and even then, botching the "fix". I am sure there are a number of people now considering if they want a Samsung phone, whether Note 7 or other, now, or ever, to reside in their pocket. This is definitely going to leave a mark.

    On the flip side, Apple really appreciates that they decided to torch their sales (literally) right as the iPhone 7 was coming out. Glad Samsung decided to join team Apple. :)

    1. Re:That is going to leave a mark by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Reality, Samsung will win back consumer confidence with the simple act of going to user replaceable batteries with the next note, all will be forgotten and forgiven. You just know that is true, oh and maybe toss in a discount for proven one time owners of the note 7, for an even bigger slice of the mobile phone market. After the massive looses on the note 7, the cost of the change will be peanuts and will resurrect the note 7 brand. You could imagine the marketing, they will ignore what has happened and simply say, due to massive customer demands we are bringing back the replaceable battery because Samsung is a company that listens and cares or something similar. They could still try to stick to the current design but that would not sell well at all, and pretty much kill the note as a brand.

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    2. Re:That is going to leave a mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This is what happens when a corporation tries to dodge accountability in an amazingly public way. The consumer kicks them in the balls.

      Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of colluding, price fixing, IP-thieving assholes.

    3. Re:That is going to leave a mark by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 1

      They could still try to stick to the current design but that would not sell well at all, and pretty much kill the note as a brand.

      I think they are well on their way towards that goal already. If I had mod points I'd mod your post 'funny'.

    4. Re:That is going to leave a mark by retchdog · · Score: 2

      will Apple also be taking advantage of this moment to hastily shut down the iPhone 6+ "screen death touch" outrage that's brewing?

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    5. Re:That is going to leave a mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What if it's not the battery?

      There's speculation of two other issues -

      A chassis design flaw that squeezes the battery.

      A flaw in the charging control circuitry.

      Either would explain why changing the battery supplier did not fix the issue.

    6. Re: That is going to leave a mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gosh I wish I had mod points :)

    7. Re:That is going to leave a mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      You mean Apple? You're holding it wrong!

    8. Re:That is going to leave a mark by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      And having a replaceable battery does jack shit if the charging controller / firmware is the problem, which is likely implemented in the phone itself to bring down the cost of the batteries.

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    9. Re:That is going to leave a mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and isn't generally allowed if the battery is swappable like some laptops and cell phones.

      When you're integrating the entire battery into the device and it's not user serviceable you can get away with relative murder on what safety features you integrate elsewhere, but when it's also a standalone device in it's own casing and shell? There's certifications to pass for the battery by itself, which means those safety circuits end up back on the battery again.

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    10. Re:That is going to leave a mark by swalve · · Score: 1

      Samsung has sucked basically forever. "Barely good enough" should be their company motto.

    11. Re:That is going to leave a mark by David_Hart · · Score: 1

      And having a replaceable battery does jack shit if the charging controller / firmware is the problem, which is likely implemented in the phone itself to bring down the cost of the batteries.

      If they determine that it's a firmware problem it can be fixed with an update. If it's found that the physical circuit design is the problem, then they are screwed.

      It sounds like they just don't have a handle on what is causing the problem. They tried just replacing the batteries in the replacement version, but ti appears that it may not be bad batteries after all. I'm guessing that they didn't do a thorough cause analysis before implementing the recall, they just jumped to the conclusion that the bad component was the battery.

      At least, that's my sense as to why this is being handled so poorly...

    12. Re:That is going to leave a mark by Sir+Holo · · Score: 0

      On the flip side, Apple really appreciates that they decided to torch their sales (literally) right as the iPhone 7 was coming out. Glad Samsung decided to join team Apple. :)

      30-year Apple fan-boi here. . .

      I will never purchase a smartphone (or iPod) that lacks an analog audio output port.

      It's worked fine for 118 years. Don't fix what's not broken!!!

    13. Re:That is going to leave a mark by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      No because that doesn't harm its users.

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    14. Re:That is going to leave a mark by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      This whole thing has been a fiasco. Bad engineering. Bad public relations. Hiding their knowing that there was a problem. Being forced into a recall, and even then, botching the "fix". I am sure there are a number of people now considering if they want a Samsung phone, whether Note 7 or other, now, or ever, to reside in their pocket. This is definitely going to leave a mark.

      On the flip side, Apple really appreciates that they decided to torch their sales (literally) right as the iPhone 7 was coming out. Glad Samsung decided to join team Apple. :)

      Well, Samsung really wanted to jump the gun on Apple. They knew Apple would be releasing a new phone in September, so they basically wanted to launch their Note 7 flagship a month earlier in Auguet. If nothing more than to capture "impatient" phone buyers with a new shiny well ahead of Apple's annoucnement.

      Unfortunately, it appears that Samsung miscalculated the engineering effort and released a product that was half-baked, and half-baked in the worst possible way. Perhaps some South Korean hardware engineer had to work out the power management hardware and software after working long hours finishing something else and overlooked something because he was tired from overworking 180 hours a week just to have the phone ready in August.

      It's a worthwhile gamble - if they can jump the gun on Apple, perhaps they could capture a bunch of sales that way, especially since Apple has a nasty habit of actually releasing product within a few weeks of the announcement. Maybe if Apple could just do like what they did the first time around - announce in January and ship in July, which gives Samsung and everyone else time to copy and implement and release? But no, Apple must announce and ship TWO WEEKS LATER.

      will Apple also be taking advantage of this moment to hastily shut down the iPhone 6+ "screen death touch" outrage that's brewing?

      Considering the iPhone 6+ isn't sold anymore, and its replacement the iPhone 6s+ doesn't have the issue, it's debatable. It's also debatable about how it happens - because if it happened to every phone, then it's serious, but if it happens to a subset, then it's a lot harder to diagnose. (It's suspected to be related to bendgate, where too big phones are stuffed into skinny jean pockets). Of course, given the iPhone6+ is two years old now, well, it's likely people are going to be replacing them as well, stemming the disease.

    15. Re:That is going to leave a mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You understand that even the "exploding Note 7" issue is limited to 200 out of 3,000,000? You said it yourself. LOL

    16. Re:That is going to leave a mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You understand that even the "exploding Note 7" issue is limited to 200 out of 3,000,000? You said it yourself. LOL

      You understand that the "exploding Note 7" issue should be limited to 0 out of 3,000,000, right? LOL

    17. Re:That is going to leave a mark by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Unless it's firmware in a tiny microcontroller that is not updateable. Because that's never happened before.

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    18. Re:That is going to leave a mark by gordguide · · Score: 1

      You understand that even the "exploding Note 7" issue is limited to 200 out of 3,000,000? You said it yourself. LOL



      It's "limited" to about 3 phones a day. Not the same thing as just 200 phones, period.
    19. Re:That is going to leave a mark by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      Samsung could always sell their phones in carry cases made of asbestos (or whatever the modern equivalent is). In fact, I think that selling fireproof phone cases may be profitable now...

    20. Re:That is going to leave a mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Worse still, having the job of the controller done by the main phone CPU instead of dedicated hardware. Botching it like that brings down cost, but if something glitches (and the more complicated something is, the more likely it will glitch) then, well. SACF!

      Dedicated controllers for this stuff have all kinds of brownout reset, watchdog, etc, specifically dedicated to making sure that it keeps chundering along when things get rough. CPUs will likely just reboot, and then thats a few minutes of it loading the OS and firmware whilst your battery is 'unknown state'

      I fully expect this to be an overcharging issue and that a slight knock on the battery is enough to set it off once it's been damaged enough during the charge cycle

    21. Re:That is going to leave a mark by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that this will be marketed very loudly as OOOH SHINY! NEW & INNOVATIVE! in a fashion guaranteed to rival the world-renowned ARDF.

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    22. Re:That is going to leave a mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully, one of those admittedly rare events will just happen to occur on *your* flight. LOL.

    23. Re:That is going to leave a mark by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Unlikely. It's bad enough for Samsung, but Apple's problem is potentially far more costly. Samsung caught it relatively early so there aren't so many phones out there to be recalled, but Apple is in a situation where likely many millions of iPhones will eventually suffer from this failure.

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    24. Re:That is going to leave a mark by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Bad public relations. Hiding their knowing that there was a problem. Being forced into a recall

      Huh? Telling people within a few days of the first few notifications to turn their phone off and sit tight we'll be issuing a fix or a recall shortly is "bad PR and hiding the problem"? What did you expect them to write it into the manual during manufacture, advertise it on TV before launch date? Also their recall was voluntary and they indicated they were considering a recall before any regulatory agencies even acknowledged they were looking into the problem.

      For all their bad fuckups with engineering and the botched fix, the public relations has been about as good as could be expected from any large company.

    25. Re:That is going to leave a mark by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      And yet they have billions of happy customers around the world, most of whom are repeat customers.

    26. Re:That is going to leave a mark by Bongo · · Score: 1

      It isn't half baked; it bakes itself, fully!

      (Sorry, I really wanted to avoid more silly jokes.)

    27. Re:That is going to leave a mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the flip side, Apple really appreciates that they decided to torch their sales (literally) right as the iPhone 7 was coming out. Glad Samsung decided to join team Apple. :)

      Don't be daft. You post as if Samsung is the only Android vendor, much less the only one that competes with Apple on the 'edge' for smartphone products. Go shill elsewhere... Really!

    28. Re:That is going to leave a mark by Aaden42 · · Score: 1

      This is nothing but a guess, but I think they over-promised on performance and current battery technology couldn't deliver.

      If it's a flawed battery, you replace it with a proper one. Fine, done. I'd be floored if there was a charge controller logic problem that couldn't be fixed in software. They're either using an industry standard power management chip that's got millions of units worth of field testing or they've implemented it in their own SoC. If the former, the logic is solid and tested. There's some switches they can flip to control its parameters, but those are all pushed over from the SoC via whatever low-level driver package they wrote. Field updatable. If they implemented it all in the SoC, they should be able to fix it, also with a firmware update.

      My guess is that they promised battery life claims that they couldn't fit into the phone with current best battery technology. They're pushing the limits of the lithium they could fit into their package and either over charging it to push that last bit of capacity into it, over-drawing and discharging it too quickly, over discharging it, or some other combination of power levels that are too much for *any* battery that would fit into the space they have to work with. They *could* make the phones stop burning if they tuned the power management to more conservative levels, but then they'd miss on battery life promises and probably be stuck with recalls or class actions based on false marketing.

      It sounds like they may have tried to switch to a battery that could offer a *little* more and maybe tweaked the PMC settings as much as they could and still meet their battery claims, but it fell short in at least some devices / usage scenarios. Maybe they're getting some number of batteries that can't be stressed quite as hard as they're pushing them. Maybe certain usage profiles put more stress on the batteries, and only certain users are pushing it enough for the new combination to be dangerous. Either way, it sounds like marketing promised what engineering couldn't (safely) provide, and they're screwed. I'd think the only valid choices would be to redesign the phone to require less power or to make more room in the enclosure to include a higher capacity battery that wouldn't have to be run so close to red line to meet the phone's power requirements. Either way, not something they can do and get to market in a recall timeline. Pulling the plug until they can reengineer is the only option.

    29. Re:That is going to leave a mark by Aaden42 · · Score: 1

      It's worth mentioning that the Apple iPhone I'm guessing you own likely has several key components that were manufactured by Samsung, depending on what generation it is. RAM, flash, displays, the SoC fabrication itself, all done by Samsung at different points in the iPhone's lifetime.

      This is dated, but Does Samsung make iPhone parts?

    30. Re:That is going to leave a mark by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Reality, Samsung will win back consumer confidence with the simple act of going to user replaceable batteries with the next note, all will be forgotten and forgiven. You just know that is true, oh and maybe toss in a discount for proven one time owners of the note 7, for an even bigger slice of the mobile phone market. After the massive looses on the note 7, the cost of the change will be peanuts and will resurrect the note 7 brand. You could imagine the marketing, they will ignore what has happened and simply say, due to massive customer demands we are bringing back the replaceable battery because Samsung is a company that listens and cares or something similar. They could still try to stick to the current design but that would not sell well at all, and pretty much kill the note as a brand.

      Have they decided to go for user replaceable batteries, or is that just your conjecture?

    31. Re:That is going to leave a mark by swalve · · Score: 1

      Right. That's what barely good enough means.

    32. Re:That is going to leave a mark by swalve · · Score: 1

      I haven't owned or used an apple product since the Apple IIc. I've had a shitload of Samsung products, including 3 phones. I always regret the decision to buy their shit, and only recently swore off of them.

    33. Re:That is going to leave a mark by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      If barely good enough means getting repeat customers, then I guess good enough means "too stupid to be in business putting in features and pleasing others by raping the company bottom line"

  8. Time to buy ANY other phone besides Samsung... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time to buy ANY other phone besides Samsung...

    1. Re:Time to buy ANY other phone besides Samsung... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time to buy ANY other phone besides Samsung...

      Somewhere in the great beyond the Steeve is smiling.

  9. Re:FTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do know it's radioactive. Radioactive.

  10. A new drama series from AMC ! by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    exploding and catching fire

    Following in the footsteps of their previous hit series, this hot new drams depicts a "fictionalized" insider's view of the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 revolution...

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  11. No, not just one by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    There apparently were several other reports over the last weeks of replacements catching fire.

    Note that he acceptable number is ZERO. No other phone makers, Android or Apple, appear to have a problem on this scale. No other phone makers, Android or Apple, have had planes catch fire in years on an actual plane...

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    1. Re:No, not just one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because clearly a failing touchscreen is absolutely equal to your phone bursting into flames and scorching your children.

    2. Re: No, not just one by Chris453 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Apple most certainly did have one catch fire on a plane: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

    3. Re: No, not just one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other phones catch fire as well, including iPhones. Google it. Personally, I had an iPhone that got hot enough to melt and destroy itself; Apple replaced it.

    4. Re:No, not just one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know that back in 2008, their laptop batteries were bulging severely (so that the sealed chassis was opening up) and occasionally exploding, right?

      It took over 2 years and a class action lawsuit to get them to finally replace their gear.

    5. Re: No, not just one by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Apple replaced it.

      Why?

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  12. If this were Apple, you'd be up in arms... by Uberbah · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...remember this, Fandroids, the next time you whine about holding it wrong.

    1. Re:If this were Apple, you'd be up in arms... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nobody is a 'Fandroid.'

      A small subsection of the Applephone users are fanatical zealots. A larger group are just people with phones. And Android phones are just what The Rest Of Us choose to use.

    2. Re:If this were Apple, you'd be up in arms... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the bar is so low now that simply not working is considered a win?

    3. Re:If this were Apple, you'd be up in arms... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And that's why Android phones suck, and why Apple makes 90% of the profits in mobile.

      The Rest Of Us are people who don't give a shit.

    4. Re:If this were Apple, you'd be up in arms... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the zealot that is completely biased toward Apple, knows that Android sucks. Well, that pretty much sums up why you're an idiot.

    5. Re:If this were Apple, you'd be up in arms... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Rest Of Us are people who don't give a shit.

      And that mentality right there, ladies and gentlemen, is why the world is heading for disaster.

      Because that mentality extends far, far further than to just phones.

    6. Re:If this were Apple, you'd be up in arms... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this were Apple, they would deny the issue exist. That's exactly what "holding it wrong" was. Here, Samsung has shown they fully acknowledge it, which is what any normal company should do.

    7. Re:If this were Apple, you'd be up in arms... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Except that if you really didn't give a shit, you wouldn't be so eager to stuff in something about Apple sales figures.

      So you can stop bothering with the too-cool-to-care BS now.

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    8. Re:If this were Apple, you'd be up in arms... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      If this were Apple, they would deny the issue exist. That's exactly what "holding it wrong" was.

      Uh, no. "Holding it wrong", like the bendy iPhone Plus, was a hateboi excuse to sit around and bitch about Apple. And like Bendgate, it was much worse with Samsung products than with Apple's - go check out that tumbler link and you'll see five Samsung devices where you're advised not to "hold it wrong". On the first page.

    9. Re:If this were Apple, you'd be up in arms... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Nobody is a 'Fandroid.' A small subsection of the Applephone users are fanatical zealots. A larger group are just people with phones. And Android phones are just what The Rest Of Us choose to use.

      Projection, lack of self-awareness, putting on airs of moral superiority....straight up Fandroid talk right there.

    10. Re:If this were Apple, you'd be up in arms... by Rexdude · · Score: 1

      Plus there's no such thing as 'an Android phone'. There are tons of them at various price points, and usually those say they tried 'an Android phone' and it was crap somehow never can remember the manufacturer and model.

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  13. Re:FTR by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    Well, its not actually, but the stuff leaking out of there is probably worse.

  14. They should bring back the replaceable battery. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I can't help but think that the issues that Samsung is having with exploding Note 7 batteries could have been greatly reduced by having a user-replaceable battery.

    Have a bad battery? It can be replaced in seconds instead of having to ship it back to a factory for refurbishment.

    Personally, I believe that making the battery non-replaceable had nothing to do with the aesthetics and everything to do with planned obsolecence. This seems to have backfired on them (excuse the pun).

    I do love my Galaxy Note 4, and I do feel Samsung got that phone right. When the Note 5 came out I avoided it because it dropped the microSD slot (as well as the replaceable battery). Now the microSD is back in the Note 7, and I was considering it despite the lack of replaceable battery, but certainly not now.

    There is a market there for people who want Phablets with a stylus, and only two current options are the Note 7 (well, not now) or the LG Stylus 2 (which is, by all reviews, underpowered). Now would be a perfect time for a company like LG to step in with high end phablet with stylus.

    1. Re:They should bring back the replaceable battery. by MikeMo · · Score: 2

      It is not at all clear that the problem is with the battery. It could just as well be the management hardware and/or software. After all, changing battery suppliers (the replacements) didn't solve the problem.

    2. Re:They should bring back the replaceable battery. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Then someone with a bad battery can take it out for flights and such.

    3. Re:They should bring back the replaceable battery. by swalve · · Score: 2

      My Note 4 broke pretty much instantly. No more Samsung for me. (Although I do love my Note Pro 12.2.)

      I'm not sure what a user replaceable battery would do. Once the battery catches fire, the phone is going to be burnt up beyond use anyway. And sending owners new batteries is going to be only marginally less painful for Samsung than sending whole new phones.

      Look, I get the idea of user replaceable batteries and SD card slots and all that stuff us geeks love. But in the end, I've never needed to really use either.

    4. Re:They should bring back the replaceable battery. by gordguide · · Score: 1

      Then someone with a bad battery can take it out for flights and such.

      They don't design in replaceable batteries precisely because there is a fire hazard potential. (There is also the issue of fitting everything in the planned case dimensions, but that simply illustrates that there is more than one reason).

      Users inevitably purchase the cheapest replacement they can find, which are of questionable quality, and are the most likely to explode or burn up. If you look at the history of defective batteries causing fires (SONY, Toshiba, IBM/Lenovo laptops, iPods, etc) it's a rouge supplier, a counterfeit, or a cheaply priced 3rd party replacement that is the typical cause.

    5. Re:They should bring back the replaceable battery. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      They don't design in replaceable batteries precisely because there is a fire hazard potential.

      Who told you that?

      it's a rouge supplier

      No, we're talking about batteries, not makeup.

      The truth is that cheap batteries tend to work fine. And when they don't, they're not the manufacturer's responsibility anyway.

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    6. Re:They should bring back the replaceable battery. by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Translation: "Some users make poor choices, so let's remove that troublesome 'choice' thing altogether."

      FAIL.

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    7. Re:They should bring back the replaceable battery. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      No, they design non-removable batteries for cost/weight/waterproof/performance reasons. Technical reasons. Complaining about 3rd party accessories is a marketing excuse that's unrelated to the design goals. When the device catches on fire, they cross their fingers that they can blame it on a 3rd party charger, cable or battery. Allowing those *reduces* their risk and liability.

      Because when the sealed battery in a brand-name device catches fire, the brand loses $55B (or so, speculation is out there, and growing as more replacement "safe" phones burn up).

  15. Refunds? by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

    I have not seen a single thing about refunds. REFUNDS.

    It's either trade-in your. . . OOPS, not allowed to do that now.

    Or it's. . . what? sit on your $100's device, wondering if they will ever issue refunds, and be without a smartphone? Or let it be a brick, and drop $100's more on a competing smartphone?

    This "all sales and replacements stop" is really putting the pinch on the consumers. Many save up for months before buying a new smartphone. It is a really dick move by Samsung to their actual customers – purchasers of their products. Their Board of directors would have no profits to maximize if no consumers bought their products.

    1. Re:Refunds? by GrandCow · · Score: 2

      The exchanges being stopped are the "bad" 7's for the "safe" 7's.

      Refunds are issued by the store the device was purchased from. I've seen at least one major retailer state that you could exchange a Note 7 for a different model phone without any restocking fee. I'm not sure how the price difference matters in, but I'd imagine the store would do something for you, and you can be sure that the store will get their money back from Samsung.

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    2. Re:Refunds? by LemonFire · · Score: 1

      Pretty soon we'lI see a fire sale of these phones on eBay.

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  16. Smoking electronics != EXPLODE by GerryGilmore · · Score: 1

    Can we pretty-please, with sugar on top, not refer to: Explode? As an old electronics guy who has seen more than his share of fried electronics, the word "Explode" does not compute with low-voltage electronics. Smoked? Burned? Yes! Explode? No!!!

    1. Re:Smoking electronics != EXPLODE by gordguide · · Score: 1

      Can we pretty-please, with sugar on top, not refer to: Explode? As an old electronics guy who has seen more than his share of fried electronics, the word "Explode" does not compute with low-voltage electronics. Smoked? Burned? Yes! Explode? No!!!

      So all the failed electrolytic capacitors you've ever encountered just sat there, sharing cigarettes?

    2. Re:Smoking electronics != EXPLODE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd add diodes to that list as well. Backfiring ones are a bitch!

    3. Re:Smoking electronics != EXPLODE by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      OK, I see you're not all bad. :-D

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    4. Re:Smoking electronics != EXPLODE by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      the word "Explode" does not compute with low-voltage electronics

      Ahhh I see you haven't dealt with Lithium before. For the record the voltage has no relation to the ability for something to explode. That is entirely dependent on the storage and sudden release of pressure. Take a lithium battery put it in a tight metal container, compacted with a non-compressible, and non flammable, then apply 6V to it. But for the love of god make sure everyone leaves the room first. If you're not on a terror watchlist now, you will be after all thanks to low voltage.

  17. Re: FTR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    7 as now. Sorry.

    Samsung knows it's a problem and that it will only get worse.

  18. Audi's Unintended Acceleration? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

    This is going to haunt them for a while.

  19. Re:FTR by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I'm sure that Samsung is dropping their flagship phone product and undergoing a second recall that will do billions of dollars worth of damage to customer confidence because it's just one replacement that had a problem.

    Or, maybe they know more about the issue then they are releasing? Perhaps it's a fundamental design flaw that will take more than swapping some battery cells?

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  20. New model by bestweasel · · Score: 1

    New model, just announced. They're replacing it with the Samsung HCF 2.

  21. Good thing I didn't have the money for S7 by SlovakWakko · · Score: 1

    Looks like the smart thing is to not buy a new, just rolled out phone or tablet, Samsung or any other brand. Apple too has had its share of fails, even though none so explosive as this one. Good thing that economic reality has forced me to lag a generation or two behind the state of the art a long time ago :)

  22. Battery.. or charger ? by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Or maybe the battery is now fine at more or less fullfilling their promises... ...but it's the charger that is completely over taxed.

    Phone plugged into the provided charger are okay (charger can output all the phone pulls), phone plugged into high quality 3rd party are okay (charger limits what the phone can pull from it).

    But phone plugged into cheap no-name Asian sub-5$ knockoffs have the charger overheat, melt, short itself and fry the smartphone.

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    1. Re:Battery.. or charger ? by Aaden42 · · Score: 1

      Note 7's caught fire when not plugged in at all. It's not the charger.

  23. What safety measures ? by DrYak · · Score: 1

    There's certifications to pass for the battery by itself, which means those safety circuits end up back on the battery again.

    You mean the safety circuits present on that USD 3.95 USB charger from eBay (shipping free), from that seller with 300 positive review (nearly all of them review appearing in the week before he posted the selling of saif USB Charger ?)
    Or the safety circuits present on that "10'000mAh!!! Long-lige!!!! Hi-quality!!!!" battery from Shenzen ? :-D

    Well at least Samsung can look on the bright side: now they can clearly shift the blame to shitty after-market parts.

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  24. Not a "hoverboard" by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Worse still, having the job of the controller done by the main phone CPU instead of dedicated hardware. Botching it like that brings down cost, but if something glitches (and the more complicated something is, the more likely it will glitch) then, well. SACF!

    On the other hand, they are Samsung. It's still a known brand that cares a tiny bit about their reputation and are going to put some minute efforts into the quality.

    It's not of those clowns that mass-produced self-balancing board (handle-bar-less segway clones. A.k.a.: "Hoverboard") at 200 $ a piece and managed such a low price by throwing all safeties and even good practices out of the window.

    There's probably a dedicated hardware charging controller.
    It's probably on the same die as the rest of the SoC, to cut down on costs (so, I a way, you *are* correct when you say "done by the CPU"), but it's probably an autonomous circuit that isn't affected by the CPU re-booting.

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