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Viewers Only Watch 10% of Pay-TV Channels: Nielsen (usatoday.com)

Chances are if you have cable, satellite or telco-delivered TV service, you aren't watching all the channels in your package. Heck, you probably aren't even watching half of the channels you pay for. Global information and measurement company Nielsen has conducted some research and found that viewers are actually watching, on average, only about 20 of the 200 channels they pay for. What this means is that a majority of us watch less than 10% of the channels we pay our cable, satellite or other provider for. USA Today reports: Back in May 2014, viewers watched 10.6% of the 197 channels they said they paid for, Nielsen's TV Audience Report found. A year later, viewers watched 9.6% of the 208 channels they got. This year, viewers also watched 9.6% of the 206 channels on their pay-TV service. That doesn't mean customers are unhappy with their service. "There is a jump between 'I'm not watching all the channels I pay for' to 'I'm not going to pay for more channels than I watch,'" says Glenn Enoch, senior vice president of audience insights for Nielsen. "What we do know is that people who have skinny bundles are lower-income than the average, so this is more about household income than viewing behavior." Pay-TV companies need to experiment, for sure, because other consumer behaviors in the Nielsen report suggest traditional TV viewing by those under 35 continues to fall, says Colin Dixon, analyst and founder of nScreenMedia.

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  1. Cable Packages, Duh by Strider- · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Given that they force you to buy 8 channels of dreck just to get the one channel you want, it's not surprising. One of the many reasons why I cut the cord.

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    1. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Amen!

      I hope at some point cable providers get screwed over and penalized for inflating not only the cost of bandwidth, but capping it as well.

      Commercial free - a la carte - that's the only way to go. And I'm willing to pay for it.

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    2. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 5, Informative

      Given that they force you to buy 8 channels of dreck just to get the one channel you want, it's not surprising. One of the many reasons why I cut the cord.

      Lets see the utter pile of shit there is available:

      Some 50 shows where sassy women sit around and yap and fight with each other.

      Another bunch where people sing more or less the same music to win prizes.

      Stupid dancing programs where professional athletes always win over some star or presidential candidates tramp daughter because they're professional athletes.

      Shows where yuppies pretend to be rednecks and encourage pedophilia

      Shows where superior people pop dozens of larvae out of a clown car vagina, and stand up for one of them being a pedophile.

      Strange shows with really weid looking guys with weird looking hair and stuff, but with wives who are oddly attractive.

      Shows where peope who never met each other sign a contract to marry each other.

      Marriage saving shows for kooks

      Must be a million shows about people in Alaska.

      "Science" shows where humans are stupid, and apparently every advancement in history was made by aliens.

      My better half watches some old reruns and court TV, so I see the ads for the weirdo shows.

      Then there are the commercials Sue this person sue that medicine company, Suee everyone. If you win an annuity in your suit, there's another company that will give you a lump sum if you give tehm the annuity.

      So I'm left with cartoon channel, and The Science channel, and HBO.

      Otherwise, its Youtube science and space/airplane vids. I can't be the only one who watches less than 1% of their crap.

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    3. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by swalve · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's kind of their business model. ESPN costs $7 a month (or whatever), and they give you 15 other channels for free along with it. If they didn't give you those channels, ESPN would still cost $7. Same deal with whatever channel you value.

    4. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is Not the Cable Companies.
      The Content providers demand they take packages or they can't get the few channels they actually want.
      Or You want.

    5. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Wycliffe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It is Not the Cable Companies.
      The Content providers demand they take packages or they can't get the few channels they actually want.
      Or You want.

      I have no problem with them including a shopping channel or other junk channel with the channel I want but what I really want is to be able to pay $5 per channel for the channels I want. If they want to give me a bunch of other channels with the hope that I'll watch some commercials, I'm fine with that. What I'm not fine with is paying $20 a month for a bunch of channels I don't want and/or having to pay $100/month to get the 4 channels that I do want. $20/month for 4 good channels should work out good for both of us but until then I will look elsewhere.

    6. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Strider- · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And hence why people are only watching 10% of the channels they're paying for.

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    7. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Wycliffe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's kind of their business model. ESPN costs $7 a month (or whatever), and they give you 15 other channels for free along with it. If they didn't give you those channels, ESPN would still cost $7. Same deal with whatever channel you value.

      I'm ok with $7/channel. I'm also ok with a monthly minimum of $20 or something similar. What I'm not ok with is a $40 base package with none of the channels I want and then having to pay an extra $40 per month to get the 2 channels I do want. That's not $7/channel. That's $40 per channel when I have to pay $80/month to get the 2 channels I really want. It makes even less sense when we are talking directv and dish where assuming I already have the dish, the cost of them providing me a single channel is effectively free. They would be much better off to get rid of half of the channels and only offer channels that generate them a large revenue via either people willing to pay for them or shopping channels, ad revenue, etc...

    8. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      and when my cable co dinged my account $7 per month "sports fee" (espn fee) I decided that $84 per year to Disney was stupid.

      snip. bye.

    9. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Given that they force you to buy 8 channels of dreck just to get the one channel you want, it's not surprising.

      Why do you care? As long as you get what you want for a price you are willing to pay, what difference does it make if you also get something else? Just ignore the extra channels. All the channels are traveling through the cable, and arriving at your house, whether you want them or not, so the marginal cost to the cable company is $0.

    10. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

      You mean some people don't watch all of those shopping channels??? Damn it if I'm paying for them then I'm damn well gonna watch them!

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    11. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by frovingslosh · · Score: 2

      There is no way in hell that the cable companies are going to give you for channels that you actually want for twenty bucks a month. They already scam a lot more than that from a lot of people without giving them anything that they want at all.

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    12. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is Not the Cable Companies.
      It's not the cable companies inflating internet only prices to offset the spraying arterial blood loss of cable cutting revenue ? Yeah, no.
      The Content providers demand they take packages or they can't get the few channels they actually want.

      Fuck em.

      Netflix is doing a fantastic job and I STILL pay 7.99 a month. When you don't have sharp eyesight, you can drop the video streaming quality and not really give a crap about it. Or pay 2 bucks more and get it - but ten bucks a month for a la carte and no commercials?

      I'm hooked.

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    13. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why do you care? As long as you get what you want for a price you are willing to pay, what difference does it make if you also get something else?

      Because we're being forced to pay for crap we don't want.

      "Just pretend the crap doesn't exist and you're paying more for the few channels you want", you might argue

      Problem is, by requiring that I pay for the crap channels, more of the crap will be created because the producers, by being paid, are mistakenly led to believe that their product doesn't suck. I resent that. I want the crap that nobody actually wants to pay for to wither and die so that nobody is forced to pay for it anymore.

    14. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by tsotha · · Score: 2

      People seem to think if you get ten channels for $10/month you should be able to get the one you want for $1. But it doesn't work that way. It's more likely you'll get the one channel for $10.

    15. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by tsotha · · Score: 2

      The shopping channels pay the cable company, at least in my area. That's why getting internet without TV costs $10 more.

    16. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because we're being forced to pay for crap we don't want.

      Who is forcing you to do that?

      Sounds like something to contact law enforcement about. I guess I am fortunate: nobody is forcing me to do that, so I just do not buy things I do not consider to be worth their asking price.

    17. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the worst bit is when they offer extra tiers beyond 'expanded basic' (the service with the likes of nickelodeon, disney, espn, cnn, etc) and then spread out similar channels and interests across each one.. NO WE WILL NOT pay $15x3 just to get espnews off one, cbs sports net off a second, and nfl network off the third one (or for similarly spread-out kids channels) NOPE, NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. FUCK YOU.

      we watch six channels, said 'fuck it' to 3-4 others and dumped those tiers, and have reduced our service to only 'expanded basic' and a single receiver, and still pay SEVENTY FUCKING DOLLARS for it.... and that's for about 20 fewer channels on that level of service than there was like five years ago (those moved to those 'extra' tiers without any corresponding reduction in ordinary 'expanded basic' pricing).

      we will never subscribe to anything more than we have now, and are not-so-patiently waiting for an online option that has those six channels on it so we can tell the cable company to 'fuck off' for good.

      the long and short of it is... ala-carte programming options are long overdue

    18. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's even worse than extra channels I don't want? Channel listings for channels I don't get. I can't be bothered sorting through it. One night I tried finding a show I wanted to watch, and I found it multiple times, only to be told I don't get that channel. By the time I found the show on a channel I did get, I missed too much of it to bother.

      If it wasn't for the wife and kid watching stuff, I would get rid of it. I rarely bother to watch anything. Hate all the commercials. DVDs or Netflix are the way to go.

    19. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Because we're being forced to pay for crap we don't want.

      You are being forced to pay an extra $0 for something that costs the cable company $0 to provide.

    20. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 2

      Until they get educated on how to get a la carte.

      The only people screwed are the ones that demand instant sports. And I feel bad for them.

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    21. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Cultural enrichment gives bonus virtue signalling points for the creators and broadcaster. But always select from the correct issues. Some issues are so 1970's and just don't get big oppression awards or offer as much gov script support anymore.

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    22. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by rickyslashdot · · Score: 2

      Good Grief - guess you have to be OLD to remember THAT WAS WHAT CABLE PROMISED WHEN IT STARTED - commercial free programming - at a price. THAT lasted about as long as it took the cable companies to split the country into 'covered' areas - i.e. local monopolies. THEN along came the extra windfall profits from adding advertising BACK into the entertainment packages, and you wound up paying for multiple channels with nothing worth watching, but every channel had commercials - - - AGAIN ! But Gee Whiz - you got a HUNDRED CHANNELS - but only about 5 to 10 had anything worth watching - - - and the 'package' was designed to minimize the watchable material to just a few channels, no matter how large a package you paid for - - - just as long as you PAID for a package - that brought in more in advertising revenue than the cost for the package (your cost - not theirs).

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    23. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      They don't. They sell you the channel you want and throw in the 8 channels of dreck to make the package look better to irrational purchasers.

      If you were able to buy just the channels you want it would be the same price, because people are willing to pay that much.

    24. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cable companies have no choice in the matter. The channels are owned by a tiny group of mega-wealthy elites who will not allow cable companies to pick what they want. If Verizon or Sky want one, they'll have to take a pack-of-crap to go with it or it's "no deal". That's the fucking problem, not those you pay monthly subs to, who milk us in different revenue streams.

    25. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Good Grief - guess you have to be OLD to remember THAT WAS WHAT CABLE PROMISED WHEN IT STARTED - commercial free programming - at a price."

      Good Grief, you are as dumb as a box of rocks. Cable TV _never_ promised any such thing. Never. What they promised, and the original Cable Cooperatives delivered, was access to Broadcast Stations that, due usually to quirks of Geography, weren't locally available. This was known as CATV back then- Community Access TV. This all started just Post-War, and get this you All Caps buffoon: The Broadcast Stations often _paid_ the Cable Cooperatives/Companies to be carried, because this meant larger Markets to pitch to _Advertisers_ at minimal cost. Bigger Transmitters and taller and more Antennas, along with regulatory approval, were expensive.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_television_in_the_United_States
      With the technology of the time, it was just about impossible to strip advertising out anyway. Doofus. (There were rare restricted Commercial-Free Broadcasts for such brutalities as Boxing Matches that charged per viewing, and were generally watched in theaters or bars. This doesn't count here, as the means of delivery is irrelevant.)
      This all reversed in the Nineties, and one can blame the Usual Suspects, those who were pushing De-Regulation in order to line their own pockets. Now Stations/Networks could charge a fee to the Carriers, and dictate what could and could not be carried. This actually led to Station infighting, and meant the end of such old Stations as KRON, as Network Affiliates, because KNTV was willing to pay more to NBC.

      Do you know who originally pitched Commercial-Free TV? The Satellite Companies back in the Seventies. A Network would often offer largely or totally Commercial-Free feeds to local CATV/Broadcasters, who would insert their own commercials which was now possible, in exchange for paying a Franchise Fee back. Consumers were never meant access to these feeds, until Hobbyists started putting ten foot dishes in their backyards, and started hunting Satellites. (The coincided with the rise of Big Screen TVs and videotape...) Then the Satellite Companies started scrambling their feeds, but for a few years, this was simple to defeat.

      Stop repeating the Big Lie. "Cable" never promised commercial-free TV, and the only ones who believe this nonsense weren't around back then. I was, and you bloody weren't.

    26. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    27. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Shows where peope who never met each other sign a contract to marry each other.
      Why would anyone do this?
      Do they at least sign a prenup?
      This can't end well.

    28. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have a choice; band together and say "We are the only means of getting your channel to consumers."

    29. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      $5 seems overpriced for most channels. Netflix is what, $9 for HD, no adverts, on-demand and a much wider selection than most channels. Maybe something like HBO can justify similar prices, but $5 is probably way too much for most channels that also run ads.

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    30. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's kind of their business model. ESPN costs $7 a month (or whatever), and they give you 15 other channels for free along with it. If they didn't give you those channels, ESPN would still cost $7. Same deal with whatever channel you value.

      If that was true, I'd still like an option for "pay $7 for just ESPN without the free channels", so I could express that I don't want them, free or not.

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    31. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Actually, ESPN costs something like $2 a month PER SUBSCRIBER to the cable company. In other words, in order for ANY of a cable company's subscribers to be able to watch ESPN, the cable company must pay ESPN for ALL of their subscribers. ESPN does the same thing with their premium website..it's "Free", but only if your ISP pays ESPN some amount for each and everyone of their subscribers.
      Or to put it another way, if you have cable TV, you are paying for ESPN, whether you have any interest in sports or not.

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    32. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2

      I don't care, but the fact of the matter is that they do NOT offer what I want at a price I am willing to pay. That is why I no longer have cable TV.

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    33. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The study is flawed in that of the 200 some channels I get from Comcast 1/3 are foreign language, about 10 religious channels and the others are repeateted 2 or 3 times. Other than the news it would be cheaper to buy the DVD sets of the NCIS reruns my wife watches :( I was happy with the one channel I could grab out of the air but the wife wants cable!

    34. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by StormReaver · · Score: 1

      Lets see the utter pile of shit there is available:

      [examples snipped]

      You forgot the biggest, most useless pile of shit ever on TV: ESPN. It's even worse than when the History Channel became the Wrestling Channel, and largely on par with the sixteen shopping channels you just can't get rid of.

    35. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cable companies have no choice in the matter. The channels are owned by a tiny group of mega-wealthy elites who will not allow cable companies to pick what they want.

      Yeah, I’m sick of Comcast having to cowtail to the owners of all those channels. The worst is the owner of NBC, CNBC, MSNBC, Weather Channel, Bravo, E!, USA, CNBC World, NBC Universo, Chiller, Syfy, Cloo, Universal HD, Esquire, Sprout, Telemundo, NBCSN, Golf Chann and a whole bunch of regional network stations and regional sports stations. I think that owner is called Comcast. Those guys should stop extorting themselves.

    36. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the biggest, most useless pile of shit ever on TV: ESPN. It's even worse than when the History Channel became the Wrestling Channel, and largely on par with the sixteen shopping channels you just can't get rid of.

      Yeah, because for every person like you there aren’t 3 people who like ESPN and think the TV channels you like are garbage. Do you know why ESPN gets so much money from the cable distributors? Because it’s one of the biggest draws they have to attract consumers.

    37. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Exactly this.

      Also, how many channels are the HD feed of the exact same thing? Time Warner just adds 1,000 to the channel number and it's HD, but the SD version is still on the cable* taking up bandwidth. And how many channels are reserved for pay-per-view, which millions of people will NEVER use?

      Every cable system is digital now - why aren't we only using the bandwidth necessary for the thing you're actually watching, which would also allow for a la carte channel selection? Oh, I know - because of the bundling racket that ABC/Disney/ESPN, Comcast/Universal/NBC, and their friends enjoy.

      * assuming that they aren't bank-switching with a SDV adapter

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    38. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      That's called "collusion" and it's illegal.

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    39. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      So you are saying that Comcast doesn't fuck over Charter / Time Warner, AT&T / DirecTV, or Dish to carry those 15+ channels you just named? Because there's absolutely no conflict of interest involved there.

      Are you an idiot?

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    40. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      You forgot the biggest, most useless pile of shit ever on TV: ESPN.

      And yet 4 of the top 10 shows on cable TV are on ESPN. For being a useless pile of shit, a lot of people still watch it.

    41. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netflix still requires $70 a month for internet. Cable is all included.

    42. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Shows where peope who never met each other sign a contract to marry each other. Why would anyone do this? Do they at least sign a prenup? This can't end well.

      I think the OP was referring to 90 day fiancee. As someone who brought someone over on a K-1 visa, I must say this isn't 100% accurate. After the visa is approved (one of the requirements is evidence that you have met in real life and are in love), the couple must marry within 90 days of the foreigner entering the US. My wife and I married within 30 days of her arriving. Within 60 days of the wedding, you submit proof of the same and apply for a 2-year green card which is only valid as long as you are married. Afterwards you have to apply to have the condition removed and provide enough evidence that the marriage isn't a sham.

    43. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the can (fuck you up the ass) charge more for HD.

    44. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Christ, the Science Channel is slowly being infected by whatever it was that brought TLC to it's current state. Ten minutes into NASA's Unexplained Files I invariably am reaching for a grapefruit spoon to scoop my eyes out. It's fucking terrible, like they're trying to make smart programming for complete fucking idiots that have a too-high opinion of themselves. Ugh,

    45. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except that you are paying for the Internet anyway. So it is a sunk cost.

      If you "bundle" with your provider, you will be paying for Internet + cable content.

      Better to just go cheap DSL + Netflix and still come out less than the bundled price.

      Another thing that people don't take into account is time. Time spent watching or skipping through commercials counts for something. You can add that time up and add that to the cost of your cable TV subscription.

    46. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it is closer to $6/month for ESPN, and another $6/month for Fox Sports, and $3-5 for a dozen other channel-groups. All are required to be in the "most penetrated tier" of packages, which means that 90% of customers get it whether they watch it or not. To prevent cable companies from playing games with the packages there are requirements that packages fall within certain ranges of penetration, which is why everyone's tier packages are so similar. Additionally cable companies have to pay the local ABC/NBC/CBS/Fox channels to carry their channels even though they're free over-the-air with an antenna and are required by law to be carried if we're in the channels DMA. Also there are usually requirements that all the prices go up 5% a year, and none of the cost break-outs be shared with the public (which is why I'm posting AC.)

    47. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Given that they force you to buy 8 channels of dreck just to get the one channel you want, it's not surprising. One of the many reasons why I cut the cord.

      I can't even do that. The cheapest internet cable I can get comes with TV channels bundled with it.

    48. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THAT WAS WHAT CABLE PROMISED WHEN IT STARTED - commercial free programming - at a price

      Nope, not in the USA, at least. It was always about not having to put up your own antenna and not have to use a rotator to get a good picture (in rural areas) or not getting yelled at for having an "ugly" antenna (in a city). Only the premium movie channels wIn the early '80s, most cable-only channels had commercials, and there weren't a lot of cable-only channels before that explosion of satellite TV.

    49. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^This. 3 channels I want, 220 channels I have to pay for.

    50. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that's at least partially because it's just left on in the background of lots of barber shops, and bars/restaurants.

    51. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by bmxeroh · · Score: 1

      I think the time thing is far more important than most folks realize. I've realized that I can watch quite a bit of high-quality content, and still have plenty of time to actually do something other than sit on the couch all day. It's kind of nice. Honestly I have enough subscription services that my total bill is probably more than what I was paying for cable+internet, but I find the VALUE to be much higher do to the time factor as well as the sheer amount of stuff that I actually want to watch.

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    52. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      As long as you get what you want for a price you are willing to pay, what difference does it make if you also get something else?

      Because we're being forced to pay for crap we don't want.

      I think you might be missing the point of the post that you replied to: you are not being forced to pay for crap you don't want. You decided that you would prefer to pay for crap that you don't want. If you had decided you would rather not pay for crap you don't want, then you wouldn't be paying.

      You shouted "YES, I ACCEPT YOUR OFFER! OMG OMG PLEASE PLEASE, TAKE MY MONEY! YES, YES, HERE'S MY MONEY!!!!" to them while telling us that you're unhappy. (People who aren't as understanding as I am, are probably getting the mistaken impression that you're a two-faced whiny lying bitch.)

      I have a suggestion that might help your situation. Maybe you should stop petting the poorly-behaving dog and sweetly and lovingly saying, "oh, what a horrible bad dog, I fucking hate you," and then making smooching noises and scratching under its collar, followed by "You are the worst dog ever" and then giving it a piece of bacon.

      Say no. Stop paying them. See that money coming out of your account every month? Keep that money. Don't give them money. Terminate the business relationship. (I'm not sure how else to explain this. Anyone?) The shitty bundle is how things are going to be, until you learn how to say no. If you keep saying "yes," they'll keep hearing "yes."

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    53. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      You don't understand how ratings work then. Ratings used to be based on watching diaries that people would write down what and when they watched. Now they usually use a people meters. As such, places like barber shops, bars, restaurants, etc are not included in TV ratings and so underrepresent the actual number of people that might be viewing.

    54. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those self-entitled Jerks who insist on us paying for their watching "instant sports":

      Sorry, but people who watch sports hate this mess too. When one of your team's games gets picked up by ESPN, it means the time gets shifted from the afternoon to 8pm (which sucks if you were planning on attending a Sunday afternoon game with your kids) and you get the industry's worst announcers instead of the local announcing crew (the quality of which varies). Regional sports networks are a mess too, taking what was once available on over-the-air networks and moving it to cable, frequently getting into pissing matches with the cable providers that leave a lot of fans with nothing. The league's pay service is a much better option than any of these cable channels (and works without a cable subscription), but arcane blackout rules can keep you from watching a game hundreds of miles away because it is carried by a network that isn't even available in your area (or because ESPN picked up that game). If you want someone to blame, blame the advertisers who finance all of it.

    55. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

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    56. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have a choice; band together and say "We are the only means of getting your channel to consumers."

      And that's how you get those annoying crawls that say "Your cable provider is trying to keep you from watching your favorite shows! Call them to complain or switch to a provider that decided to play ball with us."

    57. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      Why would anyone?
      Do they at least sign prenups?
      This cannot end well.

      Sorry. I had to. Written on three lines like that it looked so much like a Haiku, but wasn't.

    58. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet 4 of the top 10 shows on cable TV are on ESPN. For being a useless pile of shit, a lot of people still watch it.

      How else are they supposed to be able to complain about how terrible ESPN is?

    59. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      Except to get the NHL Network, I can't pay $7 on top of my package. I have to go from a 45 channel package that's about the same price as my Internet service without the bundle to a 200-channel package that's about double the price. And yet after we paid $140 a year for NHL on demand streaming, they block out any games that are on NHL Network. So they want us to pay another $1300 a year on top of the $140 and still miss games where our team plays the "local team" 5 hours away.

    60. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      Couldn't that be said for every ranking program and channel?

    61. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Obfuscant · · Score: 0

      Good Grief - guess you have to be OLD to remember THAT WAS WHAT CABLE PROMISED WHEN IT STARTED - commercial free programming - at a price.

      I guess you have to be old to remember how cable TV actually started, and that this fictional promise never existed and could never exist.

      When cable TV started it was intended to be a community antenna service. It was built to carry existing broadcast services places where it was hard or costly for people to install their own OTA antenna systems. Apartment buildings, for example, where all people could use were rabbit ears, but a few antennas on the roof could serve the entire building. Or a rural area where getting the OTA required a tower and a few directional antennas. THAT is what cable TV started as. The CATV acronym doesn't mean "CAble TeleVision", it stands for "Community Antenna TV".

      That model then grew as the convenience of not having to install your own antennas at all was marketed to areas where it wasn't hard, just inconvenient, to install your own. But the content was retransmission of OTA broadcasts, and there was no way that cable could promise to remove the ads from that content, and they certainly did not do so.

      Once those distribution channels existed, THEN it became feasible for satellite content distribution of pay services. HBO came AFTER cable TV was well established, not before. And along with the ad-free (not really -- just ads limited to HBO services) networks came the advertising supported ones like WGN and TBS. And CNN. (TBS grew out of WTBS, a small independent station in Atlanta owned by Ted Turner, where all he did was distribute the station output by cable -- it was local TV being watched all over the US.)

      Now, once cable provided a market for the satellite pay services, parts of the world where cable hadn't grown into may have gotten cable to provide just that and were promised "no ads", but that's not how cable started. England, for example, with a large existing OTA network and just a few "channels" there, would be a good market for a cable service with satellite only services, but in that case the horse was still dragging the cart, not the other way around.

      In the evolution of HBO and other pay services, I'm not forgetting the direct-to-home satellite services. They were just such a limited market that they didn't count for much. It required putting in a complex, large dish, and that wasn't possible in urban areas and not many people did it in the rural ones.

      THEN along came the extra windfall profits from adding advertising BACK into the entertainment packages,

      I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but advertising in the content is not under the control of the cable company. If HBO or whatever has an ad, it's because HBO or whatever put it there. Now, you might actually be complaining about the local avails (the term for advertising slots made available to the cable company for insertion of local ads), but every one of those slots is an advertising slot created by the content provider, not the cable company, and if the cable company didn't sell the space you'd see a content-provider ad instead.

      and the 'package' was designed to minimize the watchable material to just a few channels, no matter how large a package you paid for

      Wrong again. The "package" is designed to attract as many people as possible, which is what advertising-supported content requires. The idea long ago was that if there was a demand for a 'scotch tape channel', someone would provide it and the people who wanted it could watch it.

      Unfortunately, the people creating the channels fall into the same trap as the cable services. Cable services want a diversity of programming so they attract lots of subscribers. But those specialized programming sources realized they needed to attract more viewers to make more money. That's why Sci-Fi and History and A&E and Discovery aren't the specialized content that they should be based on

    62. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

      It makes even less sense when we are talking directv and dish where assuming I already have the dish, the cost of them providing me a single channel is effectively free.

      The incremental cost of adding you as a viewer from a technical viewpoint is small, but not free. You need to pay your share of the infrastructure.

      But the incremental cost of you viewing that channel from a content viewpoint is whatever the per-sub cost for providing that channel is. It isn't free.

      They would be much better off to get rid of half of the channels and only offer channels that generate them a large revenue

      I think this is called the tragedy of the commons. Do you really want cable and satellite services to offer only those channels that draw the most viewers? This is why broadcast TV has such poor content, you know. Lowest common denominator programming.

    63. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by omnichad · · Score: 1

      The point is that Comcast is the one company that can't blame the "content provider" for their high prices.

    64. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Sure they can. They still need to pay ABC / Disney / ESPN a shit ton of money for their cable properties, including the Disney Channel(s) and the ESPN series of channels, with all the other horseshit bundled channels that come along. And there's a nice fat bundle of bullshit that comes with Discovery and it's family of channels too.

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    65. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bull SHIT.

      the cable companies are large enough they could strongarm the content industry.

      they don't want to tho. because most of them own a chunk of the content industry. they LIKE getting paid for delivering garbage.

    66. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Expect a call everyday around dinner time with some guy explaining to you how you can switch and get all these great channels for free!

    67. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      I think this is called the tragedy of the commons. Do you really want cable and satellite services to offer only those channels that draw the most viewers? This is why broadcast TV has such poor content, you know. Lowest common denominator programming.

      I'm not saying only offer one channel that tries to appease everyone. Their satellites support over 100 channels so instead of having dozens of almost identical versions and then HD copies of those same channels why not have each channel specifically target 1% of the population. Then everyone gets a channel that they actually want. The infrastructure is the same but now instead of appealing to the majority you can also appeal to each niche separately. Noone can watch 100 channels at the same time, what you really want is everyone watching one of the 100 channels all the time and this would be much easier to do if instead of trying to get 50 million viewers on 1 channel at the same time instead they focused on getting 5 million viewers each on 100 channels which is a ton more eye balls.

    68. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying only offer one channel that tries to appease everyone. Their satellites support over 100 channels so instead of having dozens of almost identical versions and then HD copies of those same channels why not have each channel specifically target 1% of the population.

      You said: "They would be much better off to get rid of half of the channels and only offer channels that generate them a large revenue...". A 1% channel isn't going to generate large revenues. Supplying only channels that create large revenues is going to lead to the same problems broadcast TV has.

      The infrastructure is the same but now instead of appealing to the majority you can also appeal to each niche separately.

      That was the initial grand view of what cable television would be able to do. And as I already pointed out, the niche channels learned that they could make more money by being less niche and more mainline. The cable companies cannot provide the content that does not exist.

      getting 5 million viewers each on 100 channels

      According to the Census "population clock" there are 325 million people in the US.

      Five million viewers of any channel is a huge number. That's not niche, that's mainstream.

    69. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Time Warner just adds 1,000 to the channel number and it's HD, but the SD version is still on the cable* taking up bandwidth.

      So what? That's not bandwidth you get to use, it's reserved for the cable channels. Your internet is not a cable TV channel. The people who only have SD TVs appreciate getting a signal their TV can view.

      Every cable system is digital now - why aren't we only using the bandwidth necessary for the thing you're actually watching,

      Because it is cheaper to broadcast the digital signals and have the converters know what they can decode, than to have a switched video system. It is much cheaper for the consumer equipment to simply decode the right thing than for it to have to negotiate with a distant head-end for what it gets sent to decode. And if your system hasn't yet encrypted every damn channel, it makes your digital ready TV and VCR possible.

      And how many channels are reserved for pay-per-view, which millions of people will NEVER use?

      Before our system went encrypted for everything, there were about four "channels" (with multiple possible streams) in use for OnDirect. If you had a digital-ready TV you could actually watch other people's OnDirect programs. PPV broadcasts take up just one channel.

      How many cable systems actually have "millions of viewers" on one segment of the cable? Why does it matter in Philly how many people aren't watching PPV in Atlanta?

    70. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      It will take many more people cutting the cord for us to see any changes.

      If you're a content provider, your goal is to make money and you project profits based on the bulk licensing for distributors. You can then make some educated guesses about how best to divide up that money to either add more channels (and up those license fees) or spend more on quality programming. Since we have shows that feature idiots form New Jersey, child beauty pageants, and a family only famous due to a sex tape, we know exactly which way the providers went. Throwing a whole bunch of crap at the wall to see what sticks is easier when you have more channels to fling crap with.

      Once the providers start to see that piling on brain garbage for consumers isn't working, they will have to find better ways to make money. One would hope that they will see what competition like Netflix is doing with their own programming and quality shows like House of Cards, OITNB, and the Marvel properties and realize they should be giving consumers what they want. Quality content at a reasonable price.

      As a parent I'd pay $5 a month for a Toon Disney and Cartoon Network. I'd probably pay another $5 for History, Discovery and G4TV (if it's still around), unless of course they went down the path of "reality TV" instead of actually good stuff. Though I must say being able to pull up the next episode of whatever I'm into at the time is *much* easier than setting aside a particular time of the week to try to catch some show.

    71. Re:Cable Packages, Duh by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      It will take many more people cutting the cord for us to see any changes.

      The change will likely come from outside. Just like the entrenched stock brokers weren't the first ones to offer cheap trading, the entrenched cable networks are not going to be the first ones to offer alacarte. Amazon prime has already started do this a little. They have started adding add-on subscriptions to prime like starz and a few others. I see this continuing to increase. I also wouldn't be surprised if sites like the history channel and cartoon network either started offering stand alone subscriptions or hooking up with sites like amazon prime or roku to allow add on subscriptions.

  2. Got a better deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Meanwhile, I watch about 97% of what I download. Plus shows from Netflix and Amazon.

    1. Re:Got a better deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meanwhile, I watch about 97% of what I download. Plus shows from Netflix and Amazon.

      Yep, our media server has a few TB of files. That and terrestrial HD give us most of what we want. We cut the cord around 2007 when we moved, and we only had it earlier because it was included with the house we rented (internet and TV, some pay channels).

    2. Re:Got a better deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meanwhile, I watch about 97% of what I download.

      Agreed.

      "OMG, you're a filthy pirate for downloading our show," wail the production companies' pitbulls.

      Here's an idea: make the programs available legitimately at a reasonable price. No DRM and decent quality, same as the "pirate" sites offer. At a reasonable price. Ad-free, same as the "pirate" sites offer. Sweeten things with higher quality video & audio, 5.1 audio and subtitles to encourage payment as an alternative the free "pirate" offerings. And make it available right away. Withhold the DVDs and/or encumber what limited download options you do offer with DRM and you're just pissing in our corn flakes. Nobody likes piss-soaked corn flakes.

    3. Re:Got a better deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Here's an idea: make the programs available legitimately at a reasonable price."

      Or go with model that served AM and FM Radio well for decades, before the Right-Wing Buffoons took over;
      Broadcast Popular Music in Low Fidelity Mono for free, and if people liked what they heard, they could pay 90 cents for the 45 Single in Hi-Fi Stereo, or $6 for the Album.
      Now here is where it got interesting- The local Stereo Stores often sponsored newspaper listings of upcoming Jazz and Classical Concerts, in order to sell more Hi-Fi gear, _especially_ tape recorders, and the local stations thought that this was just dandy. Above ground clubs would copy and trade the tapes across the country, and Broadcast Engineers went to a lot of effort to do the best possible work, and Announcers like Scott Beach of KKHI, and "Jazzbo" Collins gained national prominence.

      HD and 5.1 Audio is actually sort of worthless for most programming, but it could be a Premium option for the better stuff. Otherwise just give away the SD stuff on Youtube, especially "Reality" television which has zero residuals value anyway, and stop all this DRM nonsense.

      By the way, KKHI, KDFC, and the Great KJAZ are all long gone, but their old tapes, carefully recorded on reel-to-reel, and often called "Airchecks", are still being traded today.

    4. Re:Got a better deal by sglewis100 · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, I watch about 97% of what I download.

      Agreed.

      "OMG, you're a filthy pirate for downloading our show," wail the production companies' pitbulls.

      Here's an idea: make the programs available legitimately at a reasonable price. No DRM and decent quality, same as the "pirate" sites offer. At a reasonable price. Ad-free, same as the "pirate" sites offer. Sweeten things with higher quality video & audio, 5.1 audio and subtitles to encourage payment as an alternative the free "pirate" offerings. And make it available right away. Withhold the DVDs and/or encumber what limited download options you do offer with DRM and you're just pissing in our corn flakes. Nobody likes piss-soaked corn flakes.

      Reasonable price + ad free = don't go together. Sorry, but the ads are keeping prices down. I get that you think prices are too high, but they'd be higher still if everything worked the way HBO did. Or your programming wouldn't have ads, but would have sponsors, and would be interrupted from time to time for fund raising, if it worked the way PBS did.

      For us, stealing everything just doesn't feel right. Yet we have TV's in places where cable jacks aren't, don't like the bulky cable boxes anyway, etc, and went with Playstation Vue (no Playstation required, you can go with a $40 Roku or Fire TV Stick as a one time per TV purchase). We pay $45, get all the locals (because we're in one of select markets), get just about every channel other than BBC America and CW we care about, the CW now offers their shows free via an app, and have a 30 day cloud DVR so yes, we skip commercials.

      Someone will inevitably say but what if I want to watch it 40 days later??? Yup, that's a trade off we made. If it ever did happen, maybe it eventually shows up on Netflix. Maybe I drop $2 on Amazon to watch it. Maybe it just wasn't a life altering all important thing that I couldn't live without.

      My concern with pirating, besides the ethical and legal issues, is that if it becomes popular enough, there won't be anything to pirate. If nobody paid for anything, they'd stop making it.

    5. Re:Got a better deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bought an antenna to give it a shot. Thought I might save myself a bit of money on the chance it worked. We watch mostly broadcast stuff when we watch. Turns out I'm not in a good place for broadcast and the antennas for two of the big four are just enough on the far side of a mountain from me for me to miss out. It would cost me as much in losing my bundle and paying for the streaming services to replace everything I couldn't get over broadcast.

    6. Re:Got a better deal by omnichad · · Score: 1

      5.1 Audio is actually sort of worthless for most programming

      Not true at all. And I'll tell you why. Having a center channel for dialogue not only makes it clearer, but it's also directionally correct if you already have a 5.1 system with properly spaced speakers. If you sit off-center with left and right channels only and you have speakers on both sides of the room, your sound will be reaching only one ear.

  3. That's why I'm loving Channels as Apps by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Now that there are apps for most things like HBO or Starz, I really enjoy stations a lot more - I can pick up a station" as I wish, or drop it when I won't need it for a while.

    In any one month I probably pay more than I would with a bundle but then again in some months I hardly subscribe to anything. So I'm probably still ahead and I'm no longer subsidizing channels I find utterly worthless. I'd much rather I spend a little more but all of it goes to the channel I like.

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  4. Almost cut the cord by geek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If it wasn't for my wife wanting to watch The Bachelor the second it comes on I would have cut the cable a long time ago. I literally watch 3 channels and most nights not even that.

    I really can't stomach whats on TV these days. I know I'm older and my tastes have changed but what I see on TV these days is just uninteresting, overly political correct and frankly the actors seem to really suck. On the other hand when I see stuff from 20 years ago the same can be said, but at least then it was cheap.

    Netflix is really no better either. The choices are slim, the shows are mostly junk and the prices will eventually climb to the same as cable, and/or add advertisements. It is bound to happen.

    1. Re:Almost cut the cord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TV is designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator. This isn't a problem with TV....you just aren't in that group.

      The target audience that you represent is far too small to make production worth the cost.

    2. Re:Almost cut the cord by swalve · · Score: 1

      Quit complaining and buy an antenna.

    3. Re:Almost cut the cord by LordSkippy · · Score: 1

      If it wasn't for my wife wanting to watch The Bachelor the second it comes on I would have cut the cable a long time ago.

      Cut! Cut now!

      The Bachelor is on ABC, which you can get over the air. Unless you have one of the very early HDTVs, you've got a digital tuner in your set. You can rig-up a wire clothes hanger into the coax input and pick up free broadcast over the air HDTV, which will be your local stations. That includes ABC, so your wife can watch that crap show as soon as it comes on.

      Cut! Cut now!

      We haven't had cable in almost a decade now. The only channel my wife even misses is Investigation Discovery, and there's a local channel that broadcasts over the air that has similar content.

      Cut! Cut now!

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    4. Re:Almost cut the cord by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      But apparently his wife is

    5. Re:Almost cut the cord by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Over 90 percent of what's on TV doesn't appeal to me at all. But then I'm sure a lot of what I watch wouldn't appeal to most people. One of the few shows I like that a lot of people also like is Game of Thrones. Most of the others struggle in the ratings. Fortunately a lot of marginal shows that would get cut normally manage to make it since there are so many channels. I like Longmire and when it got cut it moved to Netflix so I can still see it. I remember when I had cable briefly back in the 80's there was almost never anything I wanted to see playing on it. Now I have DIrecTV and I have no time to watch all the things I'd like to see. But then I could easily live without it as I did back when my children were young and I just had a rabbit ear antenna on top of a 27" CRT television. I'm fortunate that I have the money to waste on it.

    6. Re:Almost cut the cord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it is unfortunate that men still get roped up in lifelong contracts with unequal partners. Emotions have a way of making people irrational like that.

    7. Re:Almost cut the cord by evilviper · · Score: 3, Informative

      If it wasn't for my wife wanting to watch The Bachelor the second it comes on I would have cut the cable a long time ago.

      The Bachelor is on ABC, which is broadcast over-the-are to something like 90% of the US population. Depending on your location, getting it might cost as little as $20. I wrote an in-depth tutorial that really walks you through antenna selection and setup:

      http://evilviper.pipedot.org/j...

      I literally watch 3 channels and most nights not even that. I really can't stomach whats on TV these days

      I've always been that way... That's why my favorite slogan is:

      "PBS: Television for people who hate television"

      You'll do better with an antenna, anyhow. Lots of sub-channels with old TV shows and movies, several of which don't even get carried on most cable systems.

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    8. Re:Almost cut the cord by tsotha · · Score: 1

      As soon as we set up an antenna my parents dropped cable like a hot rock. We got them a DVR and my dad, who scoffed at television for decades because he couldn't find anything worth watching, told me he can always find something worth watching now, and has to consciously limit his TV time.

    9. Re:Almost cut the cord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh Christ. The Bachelor. It's not that I oppose her viewing habits. Just that my wife expects it to be a 'shared experience'. So we can cuddle during the cringe. Please kill me.

    10. Re:Almost cut the cord by speedlaw · · Score: 1

      When I cut the cord I heard from lots of neighbors who were tired of the $200 plus per month. When I told them an antenna on the house was a one time expense of maybe $150 all in, they all sort of said ... what ? Put up an antenna ? How do I do that ? Run a wire ? and all still pay the $, because the fear of change. I've even demonstrated to a few my homebrew bow tie antenna, which works better than it looks. I'm 40 miles from my transmitters, and today the signal strengths are between 98% and 84%. We are odd in that we have cable and FiOs on my block, making this the one of few places with any competition. I use cable broadband as it is way cheaper than FiOs....FiOs has a huge tax tier that does not apply to cable, and at least in this area, Optimum has always given good response, where fighting with Verizon starts at face palm and goes downhill. I did get a $10 increase in my naked broadband, but with netflix/hulu/skitchy sites overseas, no worries. A lifetime Tivo, bought during cable era does great OTA only duty...and an older Mac Mini streams beautifully, with no issues in 1080p. All in, I'm still way cheaper than six months of my neighbor's CATV subscription, and I don't have to suffer the SA 8300 box There is an inertia

    11. Re:Almost cut the cord by AntronArgaiv · · Score: 2

      Same here. She absolutely couldn't live without "House Hunters" and CNN.

      Then I cut the cable. Told her to get Apple TV, Hulu and Netflix. Total of $30/mo, which
      is half what we were paying Comcast for cable TV.

      Somehow, we have survived. I rigged up an antenna in the attic, so she can get the local news she
      insisted she had to have. I don't think she's watched it since I did it.

      We did watch the first "debate". // Trump? Really? // If the FBI won't indict Hillary, she's guilty of nothing.

    12. Re:Almost cut the cord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it wasn't for my wife wanting to watch The Bachelor the second it comes on I would have cut the cable a long time ago.

      The Bachelor is on ABC, which you can get over the air. Unless you have one of the very early HDTVs, you've got a digital tuner in your set. You can rig-up a wire clothes hanger into the coax input and pick up free broadcast over the air HDTV, which will be your local stations. That includes ABC, so your wife can watch that crap show as soon as it comes on.

      Even if you don't have an HTDV tuner, you can get a shoddy set top box out of Walmart for $40 (emtec) or $50 (RCA). Both set top boxes now have an HDMI jack for the TV/monitor and a USB jack for recording. The video is good, and the recording is okay. The user interfaces are quirky, though, and both boxes seem to use different versions of the same firmware.

    13. Re:Almost cut the cord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Bachelor is on broadcast. Cut the cord and get an antenna.

    14. Re:Almost cut the cord by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      My wife made us get satellite when MNF moved to ESPN in 2006. She said, "Don't mess with a pregnant woman's football!" It was scary.

  5. If you can't cut the cord by rmdingler · · Score: 2
    Nobody, ever, gets offered the best deal a cable provider has by remaining a constant customer.

    As long as you have a competitive market, trade out as soon as introductory specials fade into the sunset, for newer, sweeter deals with the competition.

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    1. Re:If you can't cut the cord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "As long as you have a competitive market" Big if. I live in a rural area and can't convince a provider to run cable up the street despite having neighborhood level density. Even better when I lived in an urban area, all apartments and many neighborhoods had exclusive deals with providers so that even though there were multiple providers there was no competition.

  6. Amazing insight, Nielsen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In other breaking news, the sky is blue.

    1. Re:Amazing insight, Nielsen by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      This has been a complaint since the '80s. Sports fans had to buy "expanded" cable to get channels they didn't want, just so they could get ESPN. Disney Kids only comes with premium, so you have to buy the most expensive package with 200 channels to get that one. And you can't buy HBO with "basic" as well, so those wanting to watch The Sopranos or True Blood or whatever, couldn't get HBO without expanded basic or premium (depending on the company).

      A La Carte channel ordering would not cut revenue, but would break the monopolies by the distribution companies.

    2. Re:Amazing insight, Nielsen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A La Carte channel ordering would not cut revenue, but would break the monopolies by the distribution companies.

      it would also put half the 'networks' out of business.. no big loss there, really..

      while at the same time forcing the surviving ones to improve their programming and cut out some of the commercials to try to lure actual paying subscribers to their network, because the handouts from just existing are o.v.e.r.

    3. Re:Amazing insight, Nielsen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're describing the most popular channels. Which therefore cost the cable companies the most. Which therefore kind of explains their existence on non-basic tiers. The exception is ESPN, which gets money based on # of subscribers, not # of subscribers on a tier, so he lives on a lower tier typically, since you're paying for it anyway.

  7. On the Web by dcollins · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Meanwhile, I only tend to visit about 20 of the 1 billion sites on the World Wide Web (about 0.000002%), and yet here I am paying full price for my Internet access.

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    1. Re:On the Web by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, humans have got to be some of the stupidest animals that ever lived. They only want what they don't have. If you tried to sell internet "a-la-carte", the geeks would have you burned at the stake. It's all or nothing; but don't try and sell TV as all or nothing, then you're screwing them over. Dumb fucks.

    2. Re:On the Web by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you tried to sell internet "a-la-carte", the geeks would have you burned at the stake.

      Yeah, and rightly so, because the internet is a huge network with virtually no barrier to entry, and anyone can publish content and anyone can consume whatever content is out there.

      but don't try and sell TV as all or nothing, then you're screwing them over. Dumb fucks.

      You want to use the internet model for TV? Great. One service with every possible channel available, no mandatory equipment rental fees, and then let provider companies compete on how many minutes you can watch per day or whatever for whatever price. If you want to make an analogy between the internet and TV, that's the analogy to make. Don't try to shove the internet into the TV box, that doesn't work. The reason why we love the internet model is specifically because it is better than the TV model. Don't try to make the internet like TV, try to make the old-fashioned TV model like the internet. It's going to go that way eventually once older people die and younger people are raised without ever spending childhoods sitting for hours in front of the TV every night. Instead they'll have spent hours on the internet every day. If you want those people as customers then it's time to throw out the old models and figure out what people actually want.

      I'll be happy to pay money to consume TV shows the way that I want to consume them. In the meantime, I get them without paying the broadcast companies and I don't feel bad at all for the broadcast companies. They haven't earned my sympathy because they insist that I do things their way, they don't understand what I want. Until they figure that out, I'm not worried about them getting my money because I know that creative people will continue to make shows I want to watch. I would sooner buy some merchandise that goes directly to the creators than give money to a broadcaster trying to tell me how to watch everything.

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    3. Re:On the Web by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, I only tend to visit about 20 of the 1 billion sites on the World Wide Web (about 0.000002%), and yet here I am paying full price for my Internet access.

      You're paying for the pipe. What you do with it is entirely up to you. Cat videos? Elf bowling? Streaming videos that domestic sellers refuse to sell you? Knock your socks off.

      The cable company, on the other hand, is requiring that you pay for sports and religious programs and foreign-language soaps even though all you're interested in watching is celebrity ballroom dancing. F*ck that noise.

      Why should you be required to support some stupid sports network when you would have zero interest in encouraging anyone to pay people outrageous sums of money to play games or beat one another up? Why should you be forced to pay to support some whack-doodle pimping his/her imaginary friend (who, despite being imaginary, seems to need a continual stream of donations)? They have weekly communal gatherings for that nonsense. Let them practice their little superstitious rituals in the company of the similarly-brainwashed. Let those who want to see it pay to stream it from someplace where it's mainstream. It works well for porn. Why not do the same thing for baseball, hockey, Jerry's Ministry of Perpetual Need and that crazy, long-running soap you can't understand?

      There's what your web connection is for. It's a pipe to use as you wish. The folks across the street can pay for their foreign-language faith healers & elder-bowling. Dude next door can use his pipe to stream his favorite football team's various encounters, whether that means round football or oblong; you don't have to care, because you can support your celebrity ballroom channel.

      Pay for what you want to watch, period. The cable companies are just very-financially-influential buggy-whip makers at the moment. They need to be forcefully shown that buggy whips are no longer desirable or necessary.

    4. Re:On the Web by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      The only problem is that certain companies are working to introduce the cable TV model to the Internet. For example, ESPN has a website which is free to the end user, as long as their ISP pays a fee to ESPN for each and every subscriber to that ISP (something like $0.50 per subscriber per month).

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    5. Re:On the Web by StormReaver · · Score: 1

      You have a classic apples and oranges issue. If you're using the Internet largely as if it were an extension of TV, then you have an obvious problem. If you're equating the Web with the Internet, then you have another obvious problem.

      That's like saying, "I only ever use the bathroom in my house, yet I'm paying the full mortgage price." You don't want Internet access. You want AOL back in the 90's.

    6. Re:On the Web by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Right. And I believe that the only way to watch certain live programming on the internet is if you sign in with your TV account. I understand that's how they want everything to work, but that's not how I want to do it, so I find a way that lets me watch without needing to go through their process. In the end I still get to watch it, but they don't get anything. If they want their piece I'm happy to give it to them, but I'm not going to get a new package for $80/month in order to watch their show. For example, I'll be happy to pay the NFL in order to watch the games live, but I'm not going to pay a TV company for that. A few live NFL games is not worth $80 per month to me, and none of their other offerings let me watch live online. Once they figure out how to unlock their service I'll be happy to send them my money, but they don't want to sell that to me for some reason. I watched part of the NFL game on Monday and in place of the commercials that would normally play, there was an ESPN logo with something like "We'll be back from commercials soon". ESPN doesn't get any money from me for that, I don't see any of the advertising they've sold, etc, but they refuse to sell me a way to watch the way I want to.

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    7. Re:On the Web by Falos · · Score: 1

      You're not paying for people's sites, for webpages, for their pigeonholes. You're not paying for any "channels".

      You're paying for the television itself.

  8. Re:Can't watch TV, it's all pro Hillary by Berkyjay · · Score: 4, Funny

    Trump, is that you?

  9. Not SMART enough TVs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Marty McFly, Jr.: [to the TV] Art off. OK, I want channels 18, 24, 63, 109, 87 and the weather channel.

    1. Re:Not SMART enough TVs! by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      NSA Server responds and serves up channels

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  10. Huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I watch 100% of everything I pay for.

  11. Re:Can't watch TV, it's all pro Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like Drumpf and his multiple frauds and rapes?

  12. Re:Can't watch TV, it's all pro Hillary by swalve · · Score: 0

    Prove it.

  13. Re:Can't watch TV, it's all pro Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like:
    Nixon
    Scotter Libby.
    Spiro Agnew.
    Oliver North (well his secretary went to jail)

    Just Stat on Fox and Blaze.
    Trump may start is own channel, Just for You.

    Back In my day people where innocent until proven Guilty.

  14. Re: Can't watch TV, it's all pro Hillary by orlanz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Right, wonder what your back in the days were... Decades of gangs, prohibition, mafia, corrupt jails, corrupt police departments, insider trading, corporate fraud, war on drugs, welfare fraud, Medicare fraud, Ponzie schemes, housing bubble, stock bubble, too big to fail, etc.

    Most of the criminals involved there weren't even touched. Some were even bailed out by taxpayer funds. Or did you mean before 50 years ago... When entire sections of our society were treated less equally?

  15. In Canada it was far worse by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 0

    In Canada we have what is called CanCon which is a legally mandated level of Canadian Content. What this translates to is a huge amount of stuff that represents groups far beyond their proportions. So an entire native channel, more French channels than I can count in French, and yards and yards of stuff made in Toronto that is then rammed into our eyeballs.

    I say in Canada it "was" far worse because one of the huge drivers of people to things like Netflix is to get away from this government mandated shit. Now I watch what I want to watch, when I want to watch it, and I don't feel that I have some crap made for a tiny group using vast quantities of my money.

    Every now and then there are murmurings about forcing Netflix to buy CanCon, good luck with that. Also the beauty of any such crap on Netflix is that it gets a one star rating and will never show up on my screen.

    But after a lifetime of being told by Ottawa that I have to watch crap made in Toronto I will never go back. If pretty boy and his mandarins did succeed in forcing Can Con onto the internet, I would go back to torrents. I will never take their shit again.

    So if people in the US only watch 10% people in Canada probably watch 5.

    1. Re:In Canada it was far worse by tsotha · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, we wouldn't have Bob & Doug without CanCon.

    2. Re:In Canada it was far worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "In Canada we have what is called CanCon which is a legally mandated level of Canadian Content. "
      This is not unique to Canada, and this is not new. In Britain, in order to satisfy mandated GB Content in theatres, hundreds of "Quota Quickies" were churned out during the thirties by US Production affiliates. They weren't supposed to make much money, so not much money was spent on them. (Typically a pound a foot for all production costs, or maybe ~6K pounds for a completed film.) Filmed on Nitrate stock, after the Theatrical runs, the reels were stored in damp basements where with any luck, they would catch fire.
      But...
      There is some nostalgia at work here these days. Many first-rate people both in front and behind the camera got their starts in Quota Quickies. And since not much attention was paid to content, there were some groundbreaking and even daring films produced. But not many.
      And even in the US... around 1972, in a deal struck with the Cable Industry, Cable companies were required by the FCC to set a channel or two aside for Community Broadcasting, in exchange for being allowed to host a greater variety of outside Community programming. (The beginning of the Superstations.) Show up with $25, and a bored High School Tech would record you on a Sony Porta-Pak for half an hour or so, while you expressed your opinions about Fluoridation. (That Tech would have been me... I made $1.65 an hour, with a minimum two hour guarantee, two afternoons a week. But hey... Show Business!)

  16. Re: Wow. Thanks, Slashdot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You think that's low? Less than 10 people actually RTFA!

  17. Not surprising by orlanz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have two cable boxes... Haven't been turned on since they were installed 3 years ago. I had to bundle them with my internet to get the best deal from the provider. And they stop calling you as often to "save me money with the bundle of the month". Now I just get the useless VoIP calls once every 6 months.

    I don't have the time nor inclination to plan my weekly schedule around the times of the shows. I haven't really watched traditional TV in close to 15 years! 10 years ago I even lost the need to have something random in the background.

    I still watch shows about 3-4 hours a week. But on my schedule. I think Hulu was a great detox program. Initially they provided the latest and greatest. Then they went to 1 day delay. Then 8 days. Then 30! A few months after that, I didn't mind watching shows an entire season later or even dropping them.

    Season clif hangers were no more so wasn't addicted to looking at release schedules. The whole water cooler talk had long since died so there was rarely a need to stay up to date on whatever was on.

    Now Hulu became paid only... in between seasons!! So awesome! Haven't even been to the site in months. I am probably bringing the average down, but I think Nielsen is being conservative in their numbers. It probably way worse based on how many just have the TV on and how many only got it due to bundles.

  18. 90% of TV is crap... by BringsApples · · Score: 1

    ...no matter who you are. Eventually our kids will wonder why we used to sit around watching a central TV, just like we wondered why our parents sat around listening to the radio.

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  19. I get HBO on vacation, not worth the money by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    I travel a couple times a year, when I do I get a hotel that has HBO. I don't look for it, the hotels in my price range always have it. What I learn when I rent a hotel room with HBO is I really don't need HBO at home, it just shows the same crap over and over and rarely shows new stuff I might want to see.

    I remember some 10 years ago, dad was in a hospital in OK with heart issues, mom was with relatives close by, and nothing was happening. Sis and I drove from San Diego to Tulsa OK, staying in hotels with HBO, when the Sopranos were going strong. I was getting the DVDs for past seasons from the library, sis hadn't seen any of them so she didn't care when I went from HBO to Movie of the Week.

    Same goes for Showtime. My cable company charges me $180/month for cable, I call them once a year to bitch. They typically throw in Showtime/Skinemax and drop the price to $100. Showtime/Skinemax is nowhere near worth an extra $80/month, most of it I can get from the library a few month later for free.

  20. Fringe Area by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before the digital TV switchover, I got all the New York City television stations. After that, just a few, plus a bunch of entertaining foreign language stations I never knew existed, but don't care to watch. If you're not very close to a big city, over-the-air is not an option.

    1. Re:Fringe Area by LordSkippy · · Score: 1

      Not true. It may be true for you, but not for me. I live in the 11th largest city in the country, and the number of stations I could pick up after the digital switch doubled. Half are Spanish language, which you're just as likely to hear spoken in my household as English, but it was that way before the digital switch as well.

      Your mileage may very, but cable is no longer a necessity. Cut it.

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  21. Let's be honest by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 2

    No different than playing 30 of your 300 steam games

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    1. Re:Let's be honest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No different than playing 30 of your 300 steam games

      You mean GOG. What kind of maroon willingly pays for to infect their computer with DRM? Not once or twice, but 300 times?

    2. Re:Let's be honest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No different than playing 30 of your 300 steam games

      But you're not paying $100 a month for the 270 games you're not playing.

    3. Re:Let's be honest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fuck is gog?

  22. No shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most painfully obvious research done since the "Is Water Wet" project at BJU back in the mid 2000's.

    When companies like ESPN will only give you the option of EVERY ONE OF OUR CHANNELS or none, you have no choice.

    The choice isn't even made for you (at least in the US). You get your cable rate jacked up by your provider so they can afford the bi-annual contract rate hikes ESPN/CNN/FOX demands. Once again, while they only offer the 'all or none' options to your provider.

    They reason that since they have 8 channels (but say only 2 that get steady viewers), they can ask for the full d-list channel price for the the other 6 (that none of the profit goes back into... you know, to make a better product. lol, we show reels of what was considered public events) while demanding a premium rate for the 2 with viewers (where any reinvestment goes to, if there is any.

    Ordering channels a-la-carte is so "free market"/"rahrahcapitalismrahrah", I'm surprised more of the dumbasses here don't jump all over it. I'd be fine with it.

    Also, X-Files was a stupid, STUPID, show.

    1. Re:No shit. by jonwil · · Score: 1

      As long as there are people being forced to pay for ESPN but who wouldn't subscribe to it if given the choice not to, Disney will continue to force cable providers to bundle ESPN.

      And thanks to the regulatory capture of the US government and all its agencies by the big media companies, there is zero chance of a repeat of what happened to the studios in the 40s where the US government forced an end to the block booking practices (where the studios told theaters "if you want popular films you have to exhibit the less popular crap as well")

  23. Re:Can't watch TV, it's all pro Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're predicting Trump will win, after running an illegal foundation whose donations Trump spent on his own business affairs?

    Oh, but that's different. That was not mentioned 10,000 times by Fox News and Breitbart.

  24. Re:Can't watch TV, it's all pro Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in my day, judges and juries decided who commited a crime, not Fox News.

  25. Not about channel quantity by Dracos · · Score: 1

    Every other study I've seen about TV viewership points to the average viewer's interests encompass a limited number of channels, about a dozen. Stuffing more channels into a bundle doesn't make people watch more of them.

    The business model of cable is mainly based on high viewership channels subsidizing low viewership channels. They need bundling to support all the new dreck that gets made and old stuff that's re-run.

    1. Re:Not about channel quantity by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Yep, and they only put the ones people actually want to watch in the higher tiers forcing you to buy more to get them.

  26. Re: Can't watch TV, it's all pro Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what jury got to decide if Clinton was guilty?

  27. While I agree... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Netflix does have a few good shows.

    As does StarZ.

    From Dusk till Dawn, Ash vs the Evil Dead, and Blunt Talk all strike me as quality entertainment. One of the cornerstones of this is the actors feel authentic and none of the characters are 'perfect', they are all damaged human beings with various quirks from mild to wild.

    I do agree however that even more shovelware is coming out nowadays than used to, and not enough people are taking advantage of the benefits of the internet to self publish material that would cater to a wider paying audience.

  28. Trump will win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's already apologized for his remarks on the bus, and anyway the women involved haven't complained.

    Make America Great Again!

  29. A matter of time by aglider · · Score: 1

    You only have 24 hours a day, even with 100 channels you cannot watch all of them!

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    1. Re:A matter of time by infolation · · Score: 1

      That's right.

      100 channels for 24 hours = 2400 hours per day.

      Even if you watched for your entire 16-hour waking day, you could only watch 0.66% of your television's output.

    2. Re: A matter of time by aglider · · Score: 1

      Let's say you have 200 channels and you watch 50 channels in 18 hours a day. That's 25% of the channels for an average of 21 minutes each. Then your life is to be squeezed in 6 hours: food, drinks, sleep and ... Slashdot.

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  30. Prove it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't prove he raped anyone. Being mentioned in the Panama Papers is not proof of tax evasion, and using Charity funds to donate to Charity? What does it matter the motive, the money still went to Charity. His perfume and casino business is his business and his Univerisity was a huge sucess that educated a lot of people. They even claimed he violated the Cuba Sanctions, he didn't open that casino and he has already said he didn't pay the bills for that trip. Can you prove he paid the bills?

    TV is so biased against Trump. Haters gotta hate!

    Make America Great Again!

    1. Re:Prove it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make America Great Again!

      Are you saying that America is not great? You dirty commie. Why don't you get the hell out of our great country, then, you dirty fascist hippie!

    2. Re: Prove it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, you're saying that the economy hasn't been limping along since the crash in the middle of '08? That the reason we've got such abysmal workforce participation rates is because things are so amazing people can just sit back and watch? That all Americans get along bettter now than twenty years ago, despite all the modern BLM race riots? That we're respected internationally, like we were 30 years ago?

    3. Re:Prove it by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      It must be getting closer to the election - we've almost reached Peak Shilling.

      He violated the Cuba embargo, but it's okay because he stiffed someone on the bill. That's this election's version of "but I didn't inhale."

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    4. Re:Prove it by tsqr · · Score: 1

      He violated the Cuba embargo, but it's okay because he stiffed someone on the bill. That's this election's version of "but I didn't inhale."

      Hey, why not? It worked for Bill.

  31. We only use 10% of our brains by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    What do we need all those other channels for?

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    1. Re:We only use 10% of our brains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rubbish! That's made up nonsense.

  32. DVD-S via motorised dish by Martin+S. · · Score: 1

    I have a 1 meter motorised dish which can be pointed at over dozen satellites, thousands of channels and I still only watch a similar number of channels.

  33. Most cable channels are garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Disclosure: I haven't owned a tv in 14 years.

    When I was at my parents house, I setup their new TV and cable system. Then I blocked all of the infomercial/sales channels, and all of the Spanish channels. They lost about half of their channels.

    1. Re:Most cable channels are garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typical 'Murican...
      If you want to watch Formula 1, every race, with no commercials, and often in Real-Time, your only choice is Unimas. (Spanish overlaid on the BBC feed.) NBC is only showing 4 races this year, with a couple more races scattered in their other captive channels. (The North American English and Spanish rights for F1 were negotiated separately; Bernie had no idea that non-Spanish speakers would find it so entertaining.)
      Also- Futbol.

  34. It's not a manufactured product! by 91degrees · · Score: 1

    I have a travel pass for the local transport. It entitles me to spend 18 hours on the light rail service every single day. I only use it for 1 of those hours. I book a hotel room. I can be there all day but I only want to use it at night.

    Cable TV is a service just like the others. They don't have to buy some channels and then sell them to you at a profit. They negotiate a cost - for most of these channels it's a pretty paltry cost - and then offer bundles. It won't save them any money not to offer you the channels unless they offer nobody the channels.

    If they had a package with just the channels you watch it would cost... EXACTLY THE SAME! Because you have shown that you are willing to pay that much for those specific channels.

  35. I don't watch TV much at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i go for weeks without turning on a television, i look at the local weather on the internet and if a thunderstorm is going to move through my area i will shut off my PCs and turn on the TV to the local news channel, and sometimes but not often i will look at a TV listing for old movies and if i see something i like such as a classic old movie i might watch it, but other than that i dont watch TV, the advertising on TV is far too annoying and it just kills the enjoyment and has turned TV in to a Video Spam box.

  36. Re: Can't watch TV, it's all pro Hillary by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

    Bill Maher (of the HBO show Real Time with Bill Maher) had a great monologue about how regardless of how this election goes, Donald Trump will likely be the last major candidate born in the 40s, with formative years and values stuck in the 50s. When he says make America great again, he's talking about making it like the 50s again.

    Which was great, if you were a straight white male.

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  37. Re: Can't watch TV, it's all pro Hillary by swb · · Score: 0

    Obama is 55 and frankly I don't think his policies have really demonstrated a significant generational transformation. Despite the ideological sameness, Hillary may end up being a slight step backwards in terms of generational values, having been born in '47. Despite her liberal credentials, she too internalized a lot of 1950s values, and worse, the 1950s morals imposed on women.

    I'd like to believe her "1960s" years and a self-awareness to overcome an upper-middle-class upbringing in that era, but I'm skeptical people really are able to transcend the programming of those early years. Plus I think people grow more conservative in many ways as they age, and 68 year olds are generally pretty set in their ways.

    I don't think we'll really feel the post-boomer generational shift until maybe the mid-2020s when Gen-Xers are in their late 50s and have largely replaced boomers in the higher levels of leadership.

  38. Duh! by MitchDev · · Score: 1

    Why do you think cable companies don;t allow al a carte channel selection? Most of these networks wouldn't exist without the cable forcing them on you.

    1. Re:Duh! by Baloo+Uriza · · Score: 1

      I'm OK with this. I don't need nine different sports networks. But I would like a decent documentary channel that isn't obsessed with retconning reality with aliens...

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    2. Re:Duh! by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      More popular channel subsidize less popular channels, in the bundled model.

      Of course, you could argue that the unpopular channels should just have to compete on equal terms, and either shut down if they don't get enough customers, or change their content to chase the market. That's the free market approach, and it would ensure that only the most popular channels stay in business.

      However, this really screws over people who have more specific non-mainstream interests, or who prefer their entertainment to be a bit more in-depth and less "reality TV".

      That's why we need to have both a commercial TV market competing on market terms, with an a la carte selection, and a solid publicly funded network, where more in-depth, niche and alternative programming can happen, without having to compete in the popularity contests of the commercial programming market.

      We have networks like PBS in the US, BBC in the UK, DR in Denmark, SVT in Sweden and countless others. Unfortunately, a lot of classical liberal and libertarian politicians are trying to defund them and make them compete on the same market as the commercial networks, which is just completely missing the point of why we have public networks in the first place.

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  39. Re:Can't watch TV, it's all pro Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Judges and juries can't do anything when prosecutors refuse to bring charges against Hillary even after the FBI director essentially indicts her without actually indicting her.

    No intent, pfft.

  40. Re: Can't watch TV, it's all pro Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No but it is mentioned by the Democrat outlets over and over again. ( CNN )

  41. Let me watch fewer channels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best thing AT&T could do for me is to allow me to re-organize my channels, or block them out entirely. Flipping past 50 channels selling the shark, copper pan, and ninja blender and 10 channels broadcast in languages I don't speak; to get from one channel with actual content to another is a pain in the @##.

    1. Re:Let me watch fewer channels by Baloo+Uriza · · Score: 1

      Get a TiVo. TiVo lets you filter out those channels using the same feature you use to let TiVo know whether or not you get certain channels.

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  42. Not true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... more about household income than viewing behavior ...

    As I recall, cable subscription stagnated about 20 years ago, so they asked what was causing customer turn-over: Way back then, unwanted channels was the main issue for subscribers.

  43. It's why I dropped Cable TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's why I dropped cable TV several years ago. My wife and I both felt we were paying for channels we never watched. Satellite was a scam too, you always required a better package to get the few channels you wanted. The technology has been there for years in which the cable companies and satellite providers could offer packages where the customer only get's the channels they want. Of course it is much more profitable to sell you expensive packages with a lot of stuff you don't want. We went with a antenna for local content and the rest comes from Netflix, Amazon, Roku and other web sources. The question is, will cable companies ever realize its better to provide customers what they want and keep them. Or let the bleeding of customers continue.

  44. They JUST figured this out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why do you think none of us want to pay for goddamn cable? Because you pay out the ass for these "packages" when all we want to do is watch a select set of channels! We've been saying this for years, decades even, "Why can't we just purchase the channels we want to watch and not have all of this damn fluff that we don't?"

    Oh wait, I know why. Because money (obviously). Whatever, cable isn't out biggest problem here. But, still, come on. We all knew the cable industry is just a way for someone else to take advantage of us by taking more money out of our pockets.

  45. Re:Can't watch TV, it's all pro Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe this 'they' of which you speak committed no crimes, as determined by people who know way more about these things than the average angry mob.

  46. 16 channels of shit on the TV to choose from by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pink Floyd already complained about it when there were only 16 channels.

    1. Re:16 channels of shit on the TV to choose from by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      13, dumbass.

  47. Back on my day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...a group of my neighbors would decide who committed a crime, and we would punish accordingly. None of this "court" nonsense.

  48. I did buy an antenna. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But for some reason I can't pick up HBO.

  49. Re: Can't watch TV, it's all pro Hillary by MachineShedFred · · Score: 0

    Did she have classified state secrets in her email too?

    If so, go ahead and get the Grand Jury to indict her too. Oh, wait...

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  50. Re:Can't watch TV, it's all pro Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And yet not a single judge, or any jury anywhere has had a say on Clinton's email containing classified information illegally.

    Back in my day, ex-Presidents didn't meet with sitting attorneys general and make backroom deals on airport runways to bottle up the entire Department of Justice.

  51. Re: Can't watch TV, it's all pro Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not everyone. I couldnt think of any person less qualified to potentially be President than Palin, due to ethical and legal issues and just plain dumbness. Hillary is not dumb, but her ethical and legal problems are as bad and she's also someone who should not be President.

  52. Ok,but are these duplicate channels by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure what its like in the US,but here in Canada if you get 200 channels you're getting about 60 channels, 30 of which are repeated multiple of times (~5) for different cities. Obviously if you watch CBC Toronto, you're unlikely to watch CBC Ottawa. This would explain this "finding" immediately.

    1. Re:Ok,but are these duplicate channels by hawaiian717 · · Score: 1

      Yeah the US is a little different. For the broadcast networks with local affiliate stations (ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, Fox, etc.), the cable or satellite provider will generally only provide you with your local affiliate. So if you live in Los Angeles, you will only get the NBC station for Los Angeles, and not for New York or San Francisco.

      The cable stations (CNN, ESPN, Discovery Channel, Disney Channel, etc) have just one version. At most they might have two, an East Coast and a West Coast version with the same content, just time shifted by three hours, but normally you'll get just the one appropriate for your geographic location (though not always, Dish Network provides the East Coast feed even in Hawaii).

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  53. Re:Can't watch TV, it's all pro Hillary by tsqr · · Score: 1

    Back in my day, judges and juries decided who commited a crime, not Fox News.

    Back in my day, prosecutors decided who to try, not investigators.

  54. Do the track the use of the Mute button? by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    I wish Nielson tracked when people use the mute button because I mute every presidential TV ad, every drug ad, and every ad for Full Frontal with Samantha Bee.

    1. Re:Do the track the use of the Mute button? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't have ads anymore.

  55. Under 35? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well the younger generation is more technically inclined. And along came kodi. Everything ever broadcast since the beginning of broadcasting is available. Including the premium channels. And all free.

  56. Doesn't even carry the locals by Baloo+Uriza · · Score: 1

    Cox Communications doesn't even offer a plan in Tulsa that carries all of the local channels. We get around 40 channels from a dozen or so transmitters here. But to get all of those channels, some of which end up in Cox's lineup on different premium lineups, it'd cost about what I pay in rent. And that's why I have an antenna...

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  57. It's about choices by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    Sure, 200 channels and there may only be 1 or 2 of them you are interested in at any given time. But having a wide selection can be nice.

    Obviously the most efficient would be for there to be a single channel that shows exactly what I want to watch at all times. But of course people would complain about the high cost of that one channel versus the relatively inexpensive per channel cost of a 200 channel bundle.

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  58. -1% club by Not-a-Neg · · Score: 1

    I guess I would be in the negative 1% club since I don't subscribe to cable at all and only subscribe online to HBO during "Game of Thrones" season then swiftly cancel. The only 2 channels I would like to have, HGTV and Comedy, are not available separately, so I simply found alternative sources of entertainment such as Twitch and Youtube, both of which I gladly support (Twitch Turbo & Patreon for individual Youtube channels.)

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  59. youre fukt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go ahead and start hiding money, take the items you don't want to lose and "give" them to your brother, and retain a lawyer. If your wife rabidly watches the bachelor, she is looking for a bachelor. You are not providing romance or the big D. A divorce is in your future. PREPARE!

  60. Sturgeon's Law by vanyel · · Score: 1

    Sounds about right: 90% of everything is crap, and glad for it - there's too much good stuff to watch as it is...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  61. This is why I've been on OTA for 10 years now by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    Got tired of paying for a ton of crap I don't ever watch, just to get 2 or 3 channels I did watch. There's at least a dozen OTA channels I receive with excellent signal strength and quality where I live, and I rarely have nothing to watch waiting for me on my DVR -- and the picture quality is better, too, because cable TV recompresses everything within an inch of it's life.

  62. Comast probably know this already by forrie · · Score: 1

    I believe companies like Comcast already realize this, as their profit margins are significant with this model; hence their resistance to provide "a la carte" programming. I also use a DVR, rarely watching live television -- I utilize only a small fraction of what I'm forced to pay for, if I want access to those channels (ie: extra package costs).