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Google News Introduces Fact Check Feature -- Just In Time For the US Election (thenextweb.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Next Web: Google today introduced a new feature that will tag and help find "fact checking in large news stories." Tagged articles will show up in the new story box on news.google.com, as well as in the Google News and Weather app for iOS and Android in the US and UK. There's a two-pronged approach to detecting fact checking. First Google looks for actual markup in the site's source code. Then Google looks for pages "that follow the commonly accepted criteria for fact checks." You can learn more about the process here. To be clear, the tags show up in small grey text above the article links -- Google itself isn't passing judgement, nor does it tell you the source article's conclusion in search results. It's merely a sign that says "hey, read me to find out the truth." Still, it's a nice way to make sure readers are at least forming opinions based on fact rather than fiction.

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  1. Yeah. Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google will check with Hillary's campaign to see if it's okay to repeat the lies or just substitute their own. Credibility and truth will little to do with it.

    1. Re:Yeah. Right by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2, Informative

      Of the two main candidates in this race, one of them has a much more difficult relationship with the truth.

      So, it would hardly be surprising if Google's fact-check alarm went off more frequently with that candidate.

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    2. Re:Yeah. Right by Nehmo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or are you one of those gullible people who believe that the media is biased against Trump despite the media actually greatly assistingTrump's campaign by repeating every damn stupid thing that he says? He'd never have made it through the primaries if the mainstream media weren't so obsessed with him.

      They unconsciously assisted Trump. They were competing with each other for viewership. The media didn't believe its own adage, "Any news is good news" because it gives name recognition. Now, the main news outlets, and even Google search results, clearly favor Hillary.

      It's the same stuff every day: Everybody is SO Appalled by ______ (insert modified v of what he actually said) that Trump said.; Clinton is (destroying, crushing, obliterating, overwhelming) Trump in popularity.

      Just look at tomorrow's lead stories. That's what they will say.

      This, btw, is why you should vote against Hillary. At least Trump will have a hostile press.

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    3. Re:Yeah. Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Oh look it's a Politifact shill. Totally not biased! Much neutral!

    4. Re:Yeah. Right by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful
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    5. Re:Yeah. Right by jafiwam · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or are you one of those gullible people who believe that the media is biased against Trump despite the media actually greatly assistingTrump's campaign by repeating every damn stupid thing that he says? He'd never have made it through the primaries if the mainstream media weren't so obsessed with him.

      They unconsciously assisted Trump. They were competing with each other for viewership. The media didn't believe its own adage, "Any news is good news" because it gives name recognition. Now, the main news outlets, and even Google search results, clearly favor Hillary.

      It's the same stuff every day: Everybody is SO Appalled by ______ (insert modified v of what he actually said) that Trump said.; Clinton is (destroying, crushing, obliterating, overwhelming) Trump in popularity.

      Just look at tomorrow's lead stories. That's what they will say.

      This, btw, is why you should vote against Hillary. At least Trump will have a hostile press.

      The part I'd like to know is when did "the news" become 24/7 instructions on what to think and feel about things.

      Try it, just consume whatever news you do, and take note of the time they spend on "the what" verses the time they spend telling you what to think and feel. "You will be shocked!" No. Dude. A responsible and intelligent (not to mention wise) person decides that stuff for themselves. YOUR job as a "journalist" (in quotes, because there aren't any anymore) is to find information, collate it into useful form, and present it.

    6. Re:Yeah. Right by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Funny thing is Rachel Maddow has been doing a series on how Politifact gets it wrong with Democrats. You can watch it on YouTube.

      In other words, you can pick and choose examples to "prove" bias either way, or just do the sensible thing and accept that Politifact is kinda shit.

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    7. Re:Yeah. Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because MSNBC is a paragon of virtue and facts. ... ... ... Bwhahahahahahaaa! MSNBC is a DNC Propaganda Bureau.

      And that has been proven and fact checked. Many of the so-called news outlets have been caught with direct ties and cooperating heavily (and possibly illegally) with the DNC and the Clinton Campaign. Uh, did MSNBC report that fact?

    8. Re:Yeah. Right by dywolf · · Score: 2

      that's not proof of bias jackass.
      proof of bias would be if you could disprove their conclusion of those statements.

      which you are totally free to attempt to do.

      until you can prove politifact wrong, the fact that the democrats are telling fewer untrue statements than the GOP isn't a sign of bias.

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    9. Re:Yeah. Right by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

      If anything in this discussion is biased, it's your graphic. It cherry-picks individual ratings to make it seem like politifact favors dems. One could easily construct the same kind of disingenuous graphic that shows the reverse.

      Politifact has been praised and criticized by both sides.

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  2. Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nothing like letting a group with publicly declared political affiliation put in automatic links to "TRUTH".
    I wonder how they'll rate the AP, the "news" org that tried to declare that Assad was an ISIS ally?
    Or NBC, which declared that Hillary did nothing wrong with her email server, because she used no "corrosive chemicals" to destroy evidence?
    Or Google, when they declared they were not cooperating with the NSA to deliver email content? Oh, wait...

    captcha: "erasable"

  3. OK but misses a larger problem by CQDX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    which is the burying of critical stories. All these released tapes and allegations of sexual assault should have come out long ago, at least before the RNC primary. Instead they were intentionally held to benefit HRC.

    1. Re:OK but misses a larger problem by Namarrgon · · Score: 2

      Instead they were intentionally held to benefit HRC.

      Your claim is interesting, but I don't see a "Fact Check:" label anywhere.

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    2. Re:OK but misses a larger problem by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Informative

      which is the burying of critical stories. All these released tapes and allegations of sexual assault should have come out long ago, at least before the RNC primary. Instead they were intentionally held to benefit HRC.

      Actually it's just a case of what-goes-around-comes-around. Some of the women have explicitly stated that they were motivated to come out by his denials during the second debate.

      Poetic justice, IMO, after featuring Blll Clinton's accusers as the centerpiece of his strategy last weekend. He's outraged that anyone would be interested in the same accusations against him.

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    3. Re:OK but misses a larger problem by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I applaud these women. The vast, vast majority of women, sexually assaulted on a fucking airplane full of people by a goddamn billionaire would have immediately screamed bloody murder and filed lawsuits resulting in multi-million dollar settlements. But no, these brave, strong independent wymynz stoically held their silence for 30 goddamn years to all release their stories on the same day 4 weeks before an election for God and cuntry. There's nothing at all fishy about this to anyone except those who hate strong independent wymynz what don't need no man.

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    4. Re:OK but misses a larger problem by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Things were different 30 years ago. A woman who screamed bloody murder and filed lawsuits would have been slut shamed mercilessly. And she said that she expected that it would cost her her job in the meantime.

    5. Re:OK but misses a larger problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      https://i.sli.mg/iBUuJ9.png
      https://i.sli.mg/jbe6G3.png
      https://i.sli.mg/2jvEeE.jpg

      nothing fishy at all

    6. Re:OK but misses a larger problem by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The vast, vast majority of women, sexually assaulted on a fucking airplane full of people by a goddamn billionaire would have immediately screamed bloody murder and filed lawsuits resulting in multi-million dollar settlements.

      Do you believe Juanita Broderick? She waited twenty years to come forward.

      I can only imagine the frustration of being a Trump supporter and realizing that you have the one candidate who makes Bill Clinton's creepy sexual history meaningless. All you had to do is find a candidate who wasn't a skeeve, and yet you flocked to the self-professed skeeve like ants to a piece of rotting fruit.

      Donald Trump will never be president. Mark it down. Learn from your mistakes. And for chrissake, stop your whining.

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    7. Re: OK but misses a larger problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or women could stop carrying on like sexual assualt is the only crime mankind needs to address, and stop having such a sensitive trigger.

      OMG he looked in my vague direction! Help! Police! Sexual assualt.

      Half the time it's insecure women who are just crying out to convince the world they are desirable by pretending some random guy desired them inappropriately.

    8. Re:OK but misses a larger problem by Orgasmatron · · Score: 4, Informative

      She was scared to accuse the Attorney General of the state (who already had a body count). Also, in 1978, inviting a man up to her room could plausibly be taken the wrong way. Remember what Hillary had already done to Kathy Shelton a few years earlier. If Juanita had formally accused Bill of rape, she'd have been on the receiving end of all that, and probably much more.

      Still, she didn't keep completely silent, she told a few people, including a nurse that found her in bed a few hours after the attack, and some other close friends. Some of those people blabbed, and word got out. People hid tape recorders when talking to her in hopes of getting her to drop her guard and talk about it. She refused to talk about it, saying "you can't get to him, and I'm not going to ruin my good name to do it ... here's just absolutely no way anyone can get to him, he's just too vicious".

      After something like seven years of trying to get her to talk, the story was openly circulating in the tabloids with her name attached, and she finally relented.

      If you've seen any of the early interviews with her, it is pretty obvious why she didn't want to talk about it for 20 years. It is still a very painful memory for her, and she is visibly shaken when talking about it.

      There are some notable elements missing from Juanita's story. Until Trump tricked them, the press wouldn't touch her story with a 10 foot pole because it is missing these elements, which apparently dictate which stories are credible:
      * plagarism from other famous sexual assault cases and/or pop songs
      * robotic monotone retelling
      * claims that her attacker had superhuman strength (to bend a solid aluminum airline seat)
      * total silence even to her closest friends until the last few weeks before an election
      * contradictory stories told to close friends at the time of the incident
      * The One Ring to become invisible to slip past guard/chaperones stationed outside the door
      * laughably public setting
      * heavy involvement with the other candidate's campaign

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    9. Re: OK but misses a larger problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your worldview depends on snopes. You might want to do something about that.

    10. Re:OK but misses a larger problem by jrumney · · Score: 2

      Oh, so because his Republican opponents preferred to keep his closet door closed for fear of their own skeletons being exposed in retaliation, it is wrong for Hillary to go digging in there now?

    11. Re:OK but misses a larger problem by Orgasmatron · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh wow. Snopes calls it "Mostly False" because some of the ancillary details aren't right. Stop the fucking presses! Someone tell the New York Times that snopes is choking on Hillary's dick again!

      Also newsworthy, Politifact studiously avoided learning any details of the case that might contradict the headline they assigned to it in advance. Consider this one example:

      She is "discussing the crime lab's accidental destruction of DNA evidence that tied (the accused man, Thomas Alfred) Taylor to the crime." Destruction that led the prosecution to seek a plea deal on a lesser charge, according to the article.

      Which crime lab destroyed the evidence? Her crime lab destroyed the evidence. The state crime lab had a match already and handed the intact evidence over to the defense, which promptly destroyed it. Then, in a move that only a lawyer could love, the defense asked that the key evidence be thrown out because after destroying it, they were unable to verify the state lab's conclusion.

      And did you catch the extreme spin they put on the polygraph statement? Every human on the planet that understands English and is more than about 5 years old understood exactly what she meant. But not snopes! Nope, snopes spun that into a general laugh about the polygraph supporting the defense instead of the prosecution, because Hillary, with her extensive first-case-ever experience "knew" that the polygraph usually helps the prosecutor. That sounds like a good reason to laugh about losing all faith in polygraphs. Right? Right?

      Snopes and politifact are Marxist political opinion sites that only pretend to be interested in facts. (We can add Google to that list.) No one but fellow Marxists actually believes them any more. You remember the one where Trump and Sanders both quoted the same figure for black youth unemployment and they scored the Sanders one true and the Trump one false? Classic.

      Oh, and mustn't forget NBC. New to this game, but catching up fast.

      But good work ignoring the bulk of my post to concentrate on the one tiny part that you imagined you already had a good answer to.

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    12. Re: OK but misses a larger problem by Entrope · · Score: 2

      You know your plan is a good progressive one when it relies on perfecting human nature.

      Ah, eugenics, why don't progressives like you any more?

    13. Re:OK but misses a larger problem by meta-monkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which is why we need chaperones. Rich, powerful men are always gonna grab the pussy. An awful lot of women are gold digging whores who let them grab the pussy, because that's how they get gold. Some frigid dykes, though, get all pissy about it and scream "sexual harrrrraaaaaaaaaassment!" But they can't even be reliably counted on to cry about it the century it happens so we can pretend to care before they turn into wrinkled old hags. They're attention-seeking bitches, too, and they gotta save it up until just right for maximum attention-seeking potential. Then they'll go on Anderson Cooper and smile through the whole fucking interview about it.

      So, are you going to:

      1) Teach rich powerful men not to grab the pussy?

      2) Teach gold digging whores not to like it?

      3) Teach frigid dykes to cry about it faster?

      I'm guessing none of these things. So we're back to reality: the sexual revolution failed. Bring back chaperones and don't let men and women who aren't related or married (or both!) to each other be alone together.

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    14. Re: OK but misses a larger problem by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2

      Maybe we should teach women as well? According to the rules set by the "1 in 4 women is sexually assaulted" I have been: Assaulted more times than I care to count and raped twice. As a large 200 lb man. Women did all of those things to me.

      I've accepted that there are assholes in the world and that some one grabbing my ass or crotch on the dance floor or bus is one of those things assholes do.

      But I don't let that dictate my life, nor do I sit around and throw a pity party. Compared to how humans have existed for thousands of years I have it easy. There's other shit to be done and we're doing damn good in the department of sexual issues, all things considered.

    15. Re:OK but misses a larger problem by Orgasmatron · · Score: 2

      You know that there are other versions of this story, right? In some versions of the story, the state crime lab only cut out half of the blood spot, leaving enough for a retest. The defense then cut a sample from an unknown location, didn't find anything, then lost the remainder of the article so it was impossible to tell if the defense had actually tested the same spot or not.

      Also, quote from the article you linked:

      Clinton said she got permission from the court to take the underwear to a renowned forensics expert in New York City to see if he could confirm that the evidence had been invalidated.

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    16. Re: OK but misses a larger problem by yuriklastalov · · Score: 2

      Give them time, they'll warm up to it. What do you think all this forced migration is about anyway?

  4. Sure Google.... by dbreeze · · Score: 3, Informative
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  5. Re:Commonly accepted criteria for fact checking by Namarrgon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And thus the campaign against objective reality continues. It's exactly this blanket dismissal of factual sources that's created such fertile ground for the mud-slinging loonies on both sides.

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  6. Re:Expect conservative meltdown. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

    Your attempt to link facts with reality isn't going to pass muster.

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  7. Eric Schmidt is a giant Hillary Supporter by Crashmarik · · Score: 5, Informative

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=...

    Hell the man built a company just to help Hillary (search for Hillary, Eric Schmidt, Groundgame)

    So just who is going to be able to fact check Google's already established bias ?
    https://www.techdirt.com/artic...
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/09...

    I think I am going to start rotating search engines. Variety is likely for the best.

  8. Re:Oh Goody by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But who fact checks the fact checkers?

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  9. Google Facts by bestweasel · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hoping this from one of the links will lead to better-informed comments:

    Fact Check
    Google News may apply this label to your content if you publish stories with fact-checking content that's indicated by schema.org ClaimReview markup, especially round-up stories that contain multiple fact-check analyses within a single article. The (fact-checking) label helps users find fact-checking content in major stories.

    When determining whether to use this tag for your article, consider whether that article meets the following criteria, which we consider characteristics of fact-checking sites:

    Discrete claims and checks must be easily identified in the body of fact-check articles. Readers should be able to understand what was checked, and what conclusions were reached.

    Analysis must be transparent about sources and methods, with citations and references to primary sources.

    The organization must be nonpartisan, with transparent funding and affiliations. It should examine a range of claims in its topic area, instead of targeting a single person or entity.

    Article titles must indicate that a claim is being reviewed, state the conclusions reached, or simply frame that the articleâ(TM)s contents consist of fact checking.

    Please note, that if we find sites not following those criteria for the ClaimReview markup, we may, at our discretion, either ignore that site's markup or remove the site from Google News.

  10. Those liberals by ugen · · Score: 2

    Why does Google have to be so anti-Trump?

  11. Re:If it's like Politifake, expect far left bias. by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 2

    I take it that you consider Donald J Trump -- real estate developer, casino operator, restaurant operator, resort hotel operator, golf course developer, and self-proclaimed multi-billionaire -- a man who is shrewd enough to take his companies into bankruptcy when other people's money can be lost instead of his own, and smart enough to pay no income tax for the last 18 years, "not establishment".

    Really?

  12. who owns the media, who owns the facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If something is never reported, it can never be fact checked.

    captcha: industry

  13. Re:If it's like Politifake, expect far left bias. by Jack9 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I guess you are in the camp of "both are establishment", which makes no sense to me. They both have money and are elitist, but that's not the issue in a principate. This may literally be one of the last times (in anyone reading's lifetime) that the political arena will result in a choice between a self-appointed egoist (who basically scammed his way via celebrity) and a multinational political favorite for POTUS. This will poison that contest forever, either through his failure to win or his failure as a president.

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  14. Re:But can this be fact checked? by sittingnut · · Score: 2, Insightful

    with bloody war criminal scumbag like jared cohen working for google, they have serious credibility issues when it comes to news bias.

  15. Re: Oh Goody by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    FACT: any sentence that starts with FACT: is a fact. and that's a FACT.

  16. """Fact check""" by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is the type of fact checking they mean, I assume.

    They rate as "Mostly False" something where the only disputable fact is whether she "volunteered" for it, and it appears she didn't. Literally everything else in the little poster is demonstrably true, in fact they actually say the same thing below.

    Hillary Clinton volunteered to defend a rapist. False. OK, they're good there.

    Hillary Clinton alleged that the victim was lying/crazy. True. Snopes tries to be cute and claim that she's just repeating what some psychiatrist said, because.. you know.. defense lawyers never find an expert witness to say what they want. Sorry, fact is that Clinton accused the victim of being crazy. Sure, she used the "I have been told" weasel words, but as we know from Trumps similar tactic that means nothing. It's in the affidavit and she signed it.

    Hillary got the guy off a longer sentence, and laughed about it. True. Again, these are unarguable facts. You can certainly quibble over context, but the fact is that the guy got a reduced sentence, that she implied he was guilty, and that she laughed about said implication. All public record and undeniable.

    So tell me how that is "mostly false"? I might give them credit if they said "mixed" or "depends on context and interpretation". I can also see how even in the context of these facts you could say that none of it is a big deal, and that's a valid interpretation. But just "Mostly False"? No. It's isn't.

    1. Re:"""Fact check""" by Namarrgon · · Score: 2

      Thank you for linking to an authoritative source. That's exactly the sort of information that's needed - and it does not contradict Snope's account at all. I agree it says she made an investigation; I do not agree that it says she thinks the victim is a crazy liar:

      "I have made an investigation of the facts and circumstances in this case, and and verily believe that a psychiatric examination of the defendant, , is necessary and vital in this case.

      It says quite literally (not "almost") that she believes an examination is necessary, and nothing about what she personally thinks of the victim. However, I do agree her words are clearly intended to cast doubt on the victim's mental state, in the mind of the jury. I would describe that as an obvious and expected action from a defence lawyer in a case like that. I disagree that this implies any moral deficiency on the part of that lawyer; if she does not perform her job to her ability, it merely opens avenues for appeal.

      The facts are what she actually said. The rest is your interpretation, or mine. She clearly did not tell the jury that the defendant "made up the rape story", so Snopes is right to call that one out. But I will agree with you that the implied accusation she made is indeed very similar to Trump's frequent implications; the primary difference being it was her job to imply that, in a case she clearly did not want.

      Don't claim to "check facts" when you are in fact putting forth a position.

      Are you not doing exactly that?

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  17. Re:Expect conservative meltdown. by quenda · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Its not only conservatives who ignore or deny reality when it conflicts with their beliefs.
    Liberals can have their own blind-spots to science, such as gender and racial differences.

  18. Sure the google that buries Oboners Agent by bongey · · Score: 2

    President Oboner showing of his 'Agent' as they call it double the views in 24 hours but is missing from the trending videos.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Google is another clinton shill.

  19. You do, obviously by Namarrgon · · Score: 2

    You follow up the sources to ensure they're credible (if it doesn't list sources it's not much of a fact-checker). You also compare against other fact-checkers, to see if the sources were cherry-picked.You should already be doing this for anything even vaguely controversial you read on the internet.

    Fact-checking sites aren't the sole arbiters of truth, they're just conveniences to save you the bother of googling the info yourself.

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    1. Re:You do, obviously by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is they're really just propaganda and get cited as if they're authority.

      Jeb Bush: "My name is Jeb Bush."

      Politificat: "Pants on fire! His real name is John Ellis Bush."

      When Snopes gets political they do the stawman thing. If you make Claim A, they'll restate your claim as B, which is similar to A but not actually A, then debunk B calling it "mostly false," and then at the end say "what's actually true is A..." But all the casual observer sees is that you're a liar making mostly false claims, even though your claim was entirely true.

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  20. Re: Oh Goody by Namarrgon · · Score: 2

    That's precisely why any fact-checking site worthy of the name lists its sources, so you can verify it for yourself. And to ensure you're not being given a selective view of the truth, you certainly don't take any single site as gospel, but compare a number of them to get the full picture. They're convenient but hardly definitive.

    Or just google for yourself, like you should already be doing. You seem to think that verifying facts is nigh-impossible, when it's now easier than it has ever been. Objective facts are not some mythical unicorn to be sneered at, despite recent attempts to bury them in bullshit.

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  21. Politifact by RoccamOccam · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "You (Hillary Clinton) get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 emails." -- Donald Trump

    Politifact rates that a "Half-Truth" because (according to Politifact):

    Trump’s timeline is correct. The congressional subpoena came on March 4, 2015, and an employee deleted the emails sometime after March 25, 2015, three weeks later.

    However, the implication — that Clinton deleted emails relevant to the subpoena in order to avoid scrutiny — is unprovable if not flat wrong.

    The FBI’s investigation did find several thousand emails among those deleted that were work-related and should have been turned over to the State Department. However, FBI Director James Comey said in a July 2016 statement that the FBI investigation "found no evidence that any of the additional work-related emails were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them."

    That's absurd. First of all, you don't fact check on an implication, it was a very straight-forward statement of fact. Secondly, the FBI finding "no evidence" doesn't even prove the implication false.

    1. Re:Politifact by RoccamOccam · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But he didn't make that claim. That was the inference of Politifact. They admitted that the claim was true, added their own inference, claimed that their own inference was false (on the basis of missing evidence, which means that their own inference was simply "unproven") and then somehow assess the original claim as "half true".

      Using that approach, any statement can be assessed as "half true".

  22. Re:Expect conservative meltdown. by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 4, Informative

    That is true. Genders and races are a real thing and there are differences between them. Not just outward appearances, but real physical or intellectual differences. On average, men are physically stronger than women, women are emotionally more stable and less aggressive than men, white people are more intelligent than black people, black men have longer ... you know, than white men.

    On average.
    But down to the level of individuals, it's unfair to judge people based on averages. Do you consider yourself an average person? On an individual level, everyone is different.
    But the key point is that, even though people are different in many ways, be it race, gender or their individual characteristics, they all deserve to be treated the same and given the same chances. Because we are all humans with our hopes, dreams, emotions and potential, regardless of physical or intellectual ability.

    In fact, many times it's the people who are at a disadvantage that perform big acts and change the world. Being handicapped in a way, but having the need for respect and recognition, is one of the strongest motivators. Short men like Napoleon and Hitler set out to conquer Europe. Physically unattractive people tend to follow intellectual pursuits and provide humanity with great innovations. Socially disadvantaged people like Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks engaged themselves politically and managed to change a nation.

    This is why I think that "fascism" as an ideology is wrong. At first glance it might sound like a brutal, but scientifically logical idea to weed out the "weak" and only breed the pure and strong. But often times it's the "weak" who accomplish great things and move humanity forward, because they are the ones who are out there to prove themselves. Not to mention that science also tells us that genetic homogeneity is a weakness whereas diversity and the mixing of genes is critical for long-term survival.

  23. Re:Expect conservative meltdown. by Pete+(big-pete) · · Score: 5, Funny

    black men have longer ... you know, than white men

    Prison sentences?

    -- Pete.

  24. Re: If it's like Politifake, expect far left bias. by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 2, Informative
    If you are seriously asking this, then here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

    He worked as a civil rights attorney and taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School between 1992 and 2004. While serving three terms representing the 13th District in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004, he ran unsuccessfully in the Democratic primary for the United States House of Representatives in 2000 against incumbent Bobby Rush.

    In 2004, Obama received national attention during his campaign to represent Illinois in the United States Senate with his victory in the March Democratic Party primary, his keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in July, and his election to the Senate in November. He began his presidential campaign in 2007 and, after a close primary campaign against Hillary Clinton in 2008, he won sufficient delegates in the Democratic Party primaries to receive the presidential nomination. He then defeated Republican nominee John McCain in the general election, and was inaugurated as president on January 20, 2009.

    Significantly different from a candidate whose resume consists of real estate deals, discriminatory renting policies, operating gambling casinos, and promoting beauty pagents.

  25. Re: Expect conservative meltdown. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's only tens of thousands of individual documents on wikileaks and public record proving Hillary and company lying and conspiring against everything and everyone but them selves. But Trumps the liar. Thank you for correcting the record.

  26. Re: Expect conservative meltdown. by Entrope · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "There was no classified information on that server. None."
    "It was not classified at the time."
    "It was not marked classified."
    "I relied on others to properly handle classified information."

    Should I continue? Perhaps on transparency, or bribes, or when we should trust rape accusers?

  27. Re:Must suck for you nutcases by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Which they were able to do by the Liberty fought for by Republicans.
    Fact: The Republican Party was founded primarily to oppose slavery, and Republicans eventually abolished slavery. The Democratic Party fought them and tried to maintain and expand slavery. The 13th Amendment, abolishing slavery, passed in 1865 with 100% Republican support but only 23% Democrat support in congress.

    Fact: Lincoln's Vice President, Andrew Johnson, was a strongly pro-Union (but also pro-slavery) Democrat who had been chosen by Lincoln as a compromise running mate to attract Democrats. After Lincoln was assassinated, Johnson thwarted Republican efforts in Congress to recognize the civil rights of the freed slaves, and Southern Democrats continued to thwart any such efforts for close to a century.

    Fact: The 14th Amendment, giving full citizenship to freed slaves, passed in 1868 with 94% Republican support and 0% Democrat support in congress. The 15th Amendment, giving freed slaves the right to vote, passed in 1870 with 100% Republican support and 0% Democrat support in congress.

    Fact: The Ku Klux Klan was originally and primarily an arm of the Southern Democratic Party. Its mission was to terrorize freed slaves and "ni**er-loving" (their words) Republicans who sympathized with them.

    Fact: In the 1950s, President Eisenhower, a Republican, integrated the US military and promoted civil rights for minorities. Eisenhower pushed through the Civil Rights Act of 1957. One of Eisenhower's primary political opponents on civil rights prior to 1957 was none other than Lyndon Johnson, then the Democratic Senate Majority Leader. LBJ had voted the straight segregationist line until he changed his position and supported the 1957 Act.

    Fact: The historic Civil Rights Act of 1964 was supported by a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats in both houses of Congress. In the House, 80 percent of the Republicans and 63 percent of the Democrats voted in favor. In the Senate, 82 percent of the Republicans and 69 percent of the Democrats voted for it.

    Fact: Contrary to popular misconception, the parties never "switched" on racism. The Democrats just switched from overt racism to a subversive strategy of getting blacks as dependent as possible on government to secure their votes. At the same time, they began a cynical smear campaign to label anyone who opposes their devious strategy as greedy racists.

    Most major American city governments have been run by liberal Democrats for decades, and most of those cities have large black sections that are essentially dysfunctional anarchies. Cities like Detroit are overrun by gangs and drug dealers, with burned out homes on every block in some areas. The land values are so low due to crime, blight, and lack of economic opportunity that condemned homes are not even worth rebuilding. Who wants to build a home in an urban war zone? Yet they keep electing liberal Democrats -- and blaming "racist" Republicans for their problems!

    Washington DC is another city that has been dominated by liberal Democrats for decades. It spends more per capita on students than almost any other city in the world, yet it has some of the worst academic achievement anywhere and is a drug-infested hellhole. Barack Obama would not dream of sending his own precious daughters to the DC public schools, of course -- but he assures us that those schools are good enough for everyone else. In fact, Obama was instrumental in killing a popular and effective school voucher program in DC, effectively killing hopes for many poor black families trapped in those dysfunctional public schools. His allegiance to the teachers unions apparently trumps his concern for poor black families.

    A strong argument could also be made that Democratic support for perpetual affirmative action is racist. It is, after all, the antithesis of Martin Luther King's dream of a color-blind society. Not only is it "reverse racism," but it is based on the premise that African Americans are incapable of competing in the free market on a

  28. Re: If it's like Politifake, expect far left bias by Entrope · · Score: 2

    Right. One of those candidates has actually built something and has prior executive experience.

    This year, one of the candidates has a proven track record of corruption followed by cover-up followed by repeating the process.

    (Personally, I plan on voting for the budget-balancing governors in this race.)

  29. Re:Expect conservative meltdown. by Outta_the_way_peck! · · Score: 2

    On average... women are emotionally more stable and less aggressive than men...

    I'm sorry, you lost me. What is your definition of emotional stability?

  30. Re:Expect conservative meltdown. by david_thornley · · Score: 2

    The problem with gender and racial differences is not that they exist, but that most people seem to assume that how they're expressed in our culture is their natural form. There's a lot more men and women in STEM. Part of this is likely to be inherent differences between men and women, but part of it is undoubtedly culture. We don't have a good way of telling how much. Are there so few women in STEM fields because males and females have different brain structure, or because girls are discouraged in ways boys are not, or both, or something else in addition? There used to be more women studying computer science. Does that mean that the field has changed, making it less attractive to women, or that women were unduly pushed into the field earlier, or that they're discouraged more now?

    We don't know these things. What we do know is that, in the past, we were frequently wrong about them, and that where we found racial and sexual disparities we tended to find groups that were not given a fair shake, and, in the cases where we could remedy that, the disparities shrunk a lot or went away.

    Another thing we do know is that there is discrimination against certain gender and racial groups and unwarrantedly different treatment, and it's a reasonable guess that if these problems went away we'd have more women and blacks and such in certain fields. It's reasonable to act as if there are no particular differences among races and genders in most ways, until we know better.

    Liberals do have characteristic blind spots, such as distrust of nuclear power and GMOs, but discrimination isn't one of them.

    --
    "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  31. Re:If it's like Politifake, expect far left bias. by david_thornley · · Score: 2

    There's lots of large wealthy democracies whee Sanders would be a centrist.

    --
    "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  32. Almost like it was coordinated with Obama by phrackthat · · Score: 2
    Obama came out with comments on the same day that seem to relate directly to this initiative by Google -- where he advanced a kind of Orwellian mechanism for determining "truthiness" regarding the information that people found on the internet:

    THE PRESIDENT: If I had the perfect answer to that, then I’d run for President. (Laughter.) Look, this takes us a little bit far afield, but I do think that it’s relevant to the scientific community, it’s relevant to our democracy, citizenship. We’re going to have to rebuild, within this Wild, Wild West of information flow, some sort of curating function that people agree to.

    I use the analogy in politics -- it used to be there were three television stations and Walter Cronkite is on there and not everybody agreed, and there were always outliers who thought that it was all propaganda, and we didn’t really land on the Moon, and Elvis is still alive, and so forth. (Laughter.) But, generally, that was in the papers that you bought at the supermarket right as you were checking out. And generally, people trusted a basic body of information.

    It wasn’t always as democratic as it should have been. And Zoe is exactly right that -- for example, on something like climate change, we’ve actually been doing some interesting initiatives where we’re essentially deputizing citizens with hand-held technologies to start recording information that then gets pooled -- they’re becoming scientists without getting the PhD. And we can do that in a lot of other fields as well.

    But there has to be, I think, some sort of way in which we can sort through information that passes some basic truthiness tests and those that we have to discard because they just don’t have any basis in anything that’s actually happening in the world.

    And that’s hard to do, but I think it’s going to be necessary, it’s going to be possible. I think the answer is obviously not censorship, but it’s creating places where people can say, this is reliable and I’m still able to argue about -- safely -- about facts and what we should do about it while still -- not just making stuff up.