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Windows is the Most Open Platform There is, Says Satya Nadella (zdnet.com)
On Tuesday in a conversation with Gartner analysts, Satya Nadella talked about the future of AI, the cloud, Windows, and what his company plans to do with LinkedIn. But the most notable remark from Nadella was when he said this, "Windows is the most open platform there is." ZDNet adds: It came in the context of Nadella talking about Microsoft's mission to unite the three big constituencies in the technology world. "That's the approach we've always taken," said Nadella, "bringing users, IT, and developers together... When you bring them together, that's where the magic happens." He reminded the audience of several thousand technology leaders that Microsoft began by making tools, then it made apps, and now it makes platforms. Or, it buys them.
That's why its so easy to infect a Windows system. Open holes every where you look! ;-)
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LOLWUT?
Well yes, if you're willing to just simply invent whole new definitions for words, you can make any claim you want. After all, I'm the strongest human being who ever lived, if you define human being as being a group of which I'm the only member.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
But the most notable remark from Nadella was when he said this, "Windows is the most open platform there is."
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Open in the Goatse sense.
Table-ized A.I.
I don't think that word means what you think it means...
Unless I can download the source code to the current version of Windows, make modifications and recompile, it's not really "open"...
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
n/t
I would have laughed so hard in his face.
Can't believe he even said that.
Nadella did.
COE
Translation: "Windows is the platform that's easiest for me to use, as that's the one I happen to already be familiar with."
Captcha: nonsense
I'd suggest that somebody sit Nadella down to explain what "open platform" ordinarily means, but I am unfortunately skeptical that somebody who would make a statement like this is likely to ever admit they were wrong.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Unless you mean zero innovation in the last 10 years, forced upgrades, spying on users, shitty gaudy mobile antiskeuomorphic UI on a desktop, buying LinkedIn for $26 billion, Skype for $8 Billion, Mojang for $2 Billion, letting Android beat the pants off you in 5 years shipping on 2 billion device when you had WinCE 12 years ago, and you mean open as in open for laughing at your idiotic decisions, then sure.
But keep dreaming your still relevant MS, because you are slowly fading away, and no one really cares anymore.
"Windows is the most open platform to cyber attacks there is." -Fixed that for you.
Ah, this is obviously some strange usage of the word 'open' that I wasn't previously aware of.
This seems like a line from a sitcom where everyone spends the next 10-20 seconds staring at that one character who says this while the laugh track sticks on repeat.
Well, kinda-sorta-ish... If you adopt a definition of 'platform' that somehow excludes Linux and the BSDs, which, while certainly not the best option for all purposes, are trivially more 'open' than any proprietary platform; he might have a more reasonable point.
Despite some unpleasant attempts in that direction(Windows RT, the exciting new Windows Store, Cortana-integrated-into-all-sorts-of-things, etc.), MS isn't nearly as control-freaky as Apple is; and, while they have gotten worse about it, aren't quite as ruthless about terminating everything that isn't the most current version. They are also arguably less enthusiastic about lock-in than Oracle(because who could be more enthusiastic?); and offer compatibility with a much wider selection of 3rd party stuff than IBM; but that's hardly the same as 'most open'. It is true that they are hardly the least open; but 'most open platform' isn't really something you have a shot at when you ship many of your core products as binaries only under proprietary licenses.
I certainly wouldn't put it past him.
On the other hand, it is possible to get the souce code for windows, since if you are the government, they have to provide it, and if you're a private company (the size of AT&T or Lockheed), you can write it into your contract.
...we have so many secret patches that can no longer be selectively applied each month.
I am severely disappointed that Microsoft's CEO has publicly sunk so low that he now must lie to get attention. Is he voting for Trump???
"This is some really primo shit right here," he says, taking another toke.
Satya Nadella meant "Most Open" in the sense of an airplane with the most open seats waiting to be filled.
Another way to say it: Windows is the platform with the most unused capacity.
And they are looking to fill seats, because "That's where the magic happens."
The law of supply and demand suggests that Windows must now become the cheapest platform there is, if it wants to stay relevant in the market.
Uh, Linux is open. MS is more like, "open season" for hackers since MS leaves so many holes and doorways it's like open season especially with Windows 10.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Einstein
At least you don't need Microsoft's approval to distribute a software and they don't tax you 30%. So yes, not fully open but there is far worse.
This sounds about like some authoritarian dictator, after staging a successful military coup and executing everyone in the previous government, claiming what a 'benevolent ruler' he is, that 'his administration will be open and transparent', and 'any citizen may contact me directly at any time with any concerns they may have'. In other words: Unbelievable bullshit. You literally FORCE your spyware-laden 'operating system' on people who were perfectly happy with what they already had, hide spyware in updates to previous versions of your software, use trickery to get Windows 10 onto people's computers, then make wildly inaccurate claims about the 'adoption rate' of your crappy malware/spyware 'operating system' and your 'installed user base'. Then you proceed to systematically annex the Linux world or lock them out of platforms completely, and likely have some sort of plans to destroy Apple, which will be the only other commercial OS available to anyone. Microsoft can go to hell. I'd rather not own a computer anymore than put up with bullshit of this magnitude.
... right?
Linux people would sooner gut you.
Network World article: Windows 10 is possibly the worst spyware ever made. Quote: "Buried in the service agreement is permission to poke through everything on your PC."
More hardware and software has been developed for Windows then any other OS period, I would think that makes the platform as a whole quite open.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
This comment is NOT meant for the OSS ( or /. community ) consumption...
This comment is meant to back up what other major developers have said about windows UWP. And to show how win32 is good for the tech industry as a whole because it is an open API (regardless of the openness of the source code).
UWP on the other hand allows MSFT to -on the fly- change API calls, to disable features of your applications, etc... (NO UWP programs could turn off Vsync or have boarder-less window mode for a while(no idea if this is fixed, I'm guessing yes))
So AMD's chief tech officer of their graphics division was talking about "open-ness" in the same way Oracle was arguing that the Java API wasn't open.
GPL advocates don't like the idea of you being able to use a standardized API and have some code open, some code closed source, but that ideology has nothing to do with the -political- statement that Nadal said nor why he said it... and conflating the two shows a misunderstanding of the issues.
Actually, it seems to be pretty effective spyware.
Linux, to the user, is the least open there is since it is the least accessible. Poor UI, aggressive defense against any criticism, and being abusive to those seeking guidance are not what a user wants to see. Apple and Microsoft are far better in this regards. Open doesn't just mean open source. It also means accessibility and this is where Linux falls face first every time. You can't blame users for everything or turn around and attack someone for asking questions. The community is some of the most unbalanced I have ever had the misfortune to deal with. There are some genuine gems and brilliant minds but they are certainly the minority.
This windows version is the msot "open" version of all windows, it even leaks your data and stuff you do not want to Redmond.
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I think the word for that is 'wide'
It's easy to get in, and when inside, you quickly learn from others in same situation. And to get out or make the System do exactly what you want, you might want to have a very specialized skillset as well as connections to the underground!
I mean, Windows (in the server room) has slowly gotten better over the past 20 years.
But even today, 20 years after I started my career on Solaris, Linux, HPUX (ugh), and Windows NT, it's a nuisance. The OS will still disobey a direct order due to licensing configuration issues. It is still difficult to manage over a low-latency link. It's still insecure. It still doesn't play nicely with other OSes.
Clearly these guys are paid to write what they're writing, so whatever. But it is interesting that the same complaints we - who actually do this for a living - had 20 years ago are mostly valid today.
A government is a body of people notably ungoverned - AC
Once you start spewing nonsense like that, you really must have lost contact with reality.
Donald Trump is open. He is the most open platform ever. He stands open to everything and everyone. Except critics who need to shut the hell up.
Yup. Consumers "open" their wallets, their private information becomes more "open", and then whenever MS decides to change something the customer can bend over and "open" something else too.
trapped in time and you don't know what to do.
Microsoft is a business software company. They've utterly failed in consumer and mobile markets (with the exception of game consoles). Most businesses don't care how open or restricted software is. Businesses only care that the software helps them get business done and that the costs are worth the benefits.
There is no shame in taking billions of business dollars to the bank every quarter.
Even if Nadella's claim of open-ness was true, Apple/Linux/Android/iOS customers simply wouldn't care.
Here we go again!!!
I just got back from the pub and now i'm wondering if i haven't had ENOUGH to drink!
Well, Microsoft has a tendency to copy everything Apple does. It was only a matter of time before they started copying Apple's Reality Distortion Field as well.
Sounds like a great stand up act, I wonder why I haven't seen him on netflix with any other of his sketches
If ever this phrase was true:
"I want what he is smoking..."
Because it would be nice to be that far our of reality sometimes.
Ya know what? Lets just ignore the spying for a moment, all the nasty hidden shit that requires 41 pages of switches, GPOs, and reg hacks to get rid of not to mention that most of which will ONLY work on Win 10 Enterprise, AKA "the one you have to rent for all eternity", lets just pretend all of that doesn't exist,mmmkay?
What I want to know is this.....WHAT MORON THOUGHT BSODs NEEDED TO MAKE A COMEBACK!?
When people came to me to get rid of Windows 8 it was strictly because of the UI and when I showed most of them classic shell? They were happy, but Windows 10? People are coming to me saying "OMFG this thing just keeps crashing GET THIS THING OFF MY PC!!!", I swear I haven't seen so many hangs, crashes, and outright BSODs since Windows 95! I know 90s nostalgia is a thing but I seriously doubt anybody was saying "Ya know what I miss? I miss my PC just throwing a BSOD at random intervals"
Can we get Bill Gates back PLEASE? They replaced a moron whose idea of running the company was "Hey lets just ape Apple without knowing why people like Apple" with a complete dipshit who thinks moving the company forward is "hey lets just ape Google without knowing why people like Google, oh and lets take out flagship product and make it so fucking buggy and crashy it gives people Windows 3.1 flashbacks, yeah thats the ticket"....Say what you will about Bill Gates, he may have been a douchebag but he was a douchebag that had focus, and he sure as hell didn't put out 3 stinkers in a row!
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
"Microsoft began by making tools, then it made apps, and now it makes platforms."
Forget 'open' discussion. This revisionist history statement was even more offensive. MS started by making tools?
Gartner and Satya Nadella must be nievly ignorant of history or not able to even look up how MS started. It sickens me how often interviewers let the interviewees get away with stating false facts as truth.
Tools, open....it used to be you were considered stupid if you used a word incorrectly; now simply make up their own definitions
"Windows is the Most Open Platform There is, Says Satya Nadella"
"What a steaming, smelly pile of pure, unadulterated bullshit!"
says everybody in the world with a three-figure IQ and knowledge computers/software.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
Open to cracks, hacks, and 2-bit malware, that is - AMIRITE? > Try the veal... tip your waitress... I'm here all week... Nadella OUT! That's the only way this makes sense. More so if you read it in Andy Kaufman's "Tony Clifton" voice.
"Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
Okay, an attempt at a translation:
Nadella: "Windows is the most open platform there is"
Translation: Windows is the platform most openly hostile to users.
I doubt that Nadella is actually CEO of Microsoft. He seems far too socially inept. I'm guessing he was chosen as a kind of front man because he was less obviously annoying than others who were considered.
I also doubt that the former CEO, Steve Ballmer, was actually CEO. Business Week Magazine called Steve Ballmer "Monkey Boy" on the cover of the magazine. Could someone called Monkey Boy run a technology company?
BSOD's are mainly caused by drivers or hardware failures. Upgrades never works properly regardless of the OS(Windows, OSX, Linux, BSD). If your gonna upgrade make sure to remove previous drivers from the system except for the network(it rarely causes bsod compared to video or audio drivers). Not sure if Windows 10 anniversary still has the slow and fast ring and if so use the slow ring. I'm gonna test Windows 10 Enterprise anniversary out today and see whats up with the OS.
ESXI and linux are big for base level bare metal but hyper V is very little.
I'd suggest that somebody sit Nadella down to explain what "open platform" ordinarily means...
I have no doubt whatsoever that he knows exactly what the term means and is trying to twist it to his own purposes. Nadella is not a dumb guy and I think he chose his words very carefully. I'm sure he has some rules-lawyer definition of the term so he can plausibly make that claim knowing full well that it overlaps with the more common meaning of the term.
I used/supported Windows for close to 20 years, starting back in the Windows 3.11 era. I retired in 2010, and at that time, I decided I was done with MS products.. Now all of my personal systems run one Linux distro or another. Its too much fun to sit back and watch/listen to the daily stories about the bullshit that MS now inflicts on those who, for whatEVER reason, *still* use MS products.. I laugh my ass off daily at these stories about how Windows 10 crashes, forces crap drivers onto systems, and shoves itself down unwilling users throats, and constantly vacuming up everything one does on *their* computer. I get the distinct feeling that MS now believers that *my* computer has become *their* computer, and they magnanamously let *me* use it.... Let me just say this: FUCK YOU MICROSOFT!!!
THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
It comes on floppies and CDs? That's what old people use, right?
Because We are Watching You!
This is why I have been so hell bent on NOT upgrade from Windows 7 to 10.
I mean, it's open in the same way that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is "Democratic", "People's", and "Republic".
Do you have ESP?
Incredible what Microsoft says these days. Windows 10 to me is nothing more that a huge data miner for Microsoft with a conduit for ads. The whole model for Windows 10 is all about selling, marketing, and monitoring for Microsoft. Something I never thought I would see Microsoft do considering their popularity with enterprise. Of course if your smart you will buy the enterprise version so at least you can turn off much of this stuff. Otherwise, avoid at all cost using anything Microsoft in Windows 10. By all means use a different browser than Edge and never sign in with a Microsoft account.
Cool! Where can I download the source code?
What? I can't? I thought you said....
Wheres the code bro?
And that is putting it politely and safe for mature audience. The immature will know what to think anyway.
i also want what he is smoking!! GOOD stuff!!
Higuita
In the past you had a point (your statement use, correctly, verbs in past tense), but consider a few years from now (Android beats Windows easily in last, let's say, 3 years... most of the software nowadays are HTML5/Javascript [and not "windows-only", like in the past], you know...)
I've not seem a single piece of hardware made specifically for Windows from several years now...
HAHAHAHAHA Windows open!!!! HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA.... HAHAHAHAHA can't control updates anymore HAHAHAHAHAHA but...it's open....HAHAHAHAHAHA forced upgrades but they still think its open HAHAHAHAHAHAH can't modify core components but its open HAHAHAHAHA oh boy......whew...wow needed to get that out.
Much of OSx is open source given its BSD, Android is fully open source; then all of Linux obviously. It seems to be the least open platform there is other than maybe the iPhone.
The funny thing is that VAX VMS is the "parent" of the Windows kernel, and many approaches between the systems are very similar (to the extent that Digital sued Microsoft and won). The ACL permission scheme is the most striking.
VMS had very good security - the best in the business. It's hard to understand how that went so very wrong for Windows. There has been commentary that Dave Cutler himself practically threw the issue overboard.
me neither, but how does that change the fact that they all work on Windows as well. Other platforms are catching up, but that does not reduce the openness of Windows. What does though, is signed drivers.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
"What other PC operating system supports as many hardware devices, has as much software developed for it?"
Dunno, Linux supports a lot more than Windows.
The point is that an Open System means an Operating System that conforms to Open Standards, particularly POSIX. (it does not necessarily mean Open Source). You could also call a system closed when it is covered by patents that forbid competitors creating interoperable products.
Windows is easlly the closedest system here. It implements a host of APIs, most of which have been designed by Microsoft, with a few by Intel and IBM, and shows hostility towards standards like Java. The up side is that conformance to Internet standards has improved a little over the years. The down side is that it poorly conforms even to some Microsoft standards. The most imporant APIs, such as Win32, are floating specifications that are not even Microsoft-standarrds. Furhtermore a of the APIs are secret and undocumented.
This should be constrasted to the Intel-Microsoft PC Platform (I mean the hardware), which is somewhat more standardised that other architectures, but these standards are often closed ones)
Join us now and share the software.
Name me something that exists on the Linux BSD platforms that does not also exist for the Windows platform?
There are plenty of examples, like the networking stack and cluster file systems and good package management.
Anyone can develop software for Windows with no restrictions, up until recently, anyone could develop hardware for Windows with no restrictions./quote>
There are plenty of restrictions for developing Windows software. The first restriction is the high licensing cost of the OS. The second is that the OS is not modular, so you are stuck with a [Start] button or without one, depending on the bosses whim of the day and you can't get rid of Internet Explorer. Google and TomTom need an OS that can be customised for their purpose. There are also plenty of restrictions on hardware for Wintel.
Windows is becoming completely closed when all software must be sold through c.q. bought from the Microsoft App store. (o.k. on some days, Apple is even more evil)
Apple is there to keep us thinking about new ideas, and to give a design & marketing nudge to MS for fixing some of the most egregious errors in its systems. Linux is there to keep us all honest - because it really CAN work that well. Oh wait, that was only through Windows 7, sorry.
Frankly, it WAS true from 2000 through Windows 7, including the "open" comment, because MS did a fairly professional job of writing documentation, making it generally available, and offering actual support by people who knew what they were talking about. Since then, the user interface has died and gone to PlaySkool (though with enough tweaking Win10 can be made to work ALMOST as well as 7), the developers that knew how to build AND TEST things have all been fired, user support has devolved to bots saying "clean boot" then "reinstall" for all issues, developer support has become IBM-expensive if useful at all, and "telemetry" has become a major consumer of bandwidth for many users (those who are Muggles and don't know how to control - though not eliminate - it).
> More hardware and software has been developed for Windows then any other OS period, I would think that makes the platform as a whole quite open.
There has been hardware that were specifically developed for Windows, such as the WinModems and WinPrinters that could not be used by others systems due to closed design, NDAs and patents. Other than that, hardware is usually designed to work using any OS, though the manufacturer may make it closed by only writing proprietary drivers.
There is also a whole raft of hardware that you seem to be totally unaware of that has nothing to do with Windows. There have been 10 billion ARM processors made, only a handful of which could run limited versions of Windows. Almost none of the many other types of CPU have cared about Windows at all.
I also question your claim about software. It is likely that Android alone amongst the Linux varieties has had more software written for it.
Windows NT supported x86, MIPS, PPC, and Alpha CPU architectures. A decade later, only x86 remained. Since then they added IA64, AMD64 and ARM (Windows RT), so by 2020 it will be AMD64 and ARM only.... The PC platform is so limited comparted to the myriad of devices and gadgets that run some flavour of Unix.
The range of software available for Windows is not that great either. Drivers? Don't ask Microsoft, pray your hardware manufacturer offers a WIndows driver...
Who is Satya Nadella and why do we care?
Read this , and come back and tell me if you think Microsoft Windows is really an open system.
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The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it. - Mark Twain
I like how he chose the words "open platform" rather than "secure platform", "stable platform", "reliable platform".
My HP desktop came installed with Windows 10.
The display driver crashes hourly (thanks for telling me, Windows!), but at least that doesn't cause a reboot.
Here we don't use hardware with more than 5 years...
Open source all the kernel and icmp stuff ... then I'll buy it.
He's the CEO of Microsoft, you caveman.
If it actually ran on multiple CPUs other than x86, it might be "open". Until then, it is merely a popular closed platform
Gartner: Is Windows the most open system?
Pinocchio: It wouldn't be inaccurate to assume that I couldn't exactly not say that it is or isn't almost partially incorrect.
Gartner: So it isn't an open system?
Pinocchio: On the contrary, I'm possibly more or less not definitely rejecting the idea that in no way with any amount of uncertainty that I undeniably do or do not know how it shouldn't probably be, if that indeed wasn't how it isn't. Even if it wasn't what I knew it was, that'd mean I'd really have to know what it wasn't...
New Improved Microsoft CEO! Now over 25% douchier than our previous CEO!
what a shitload of poppycock. Just repeat shit until you believe it yourself. ... the only reason it's there is because of enforcement not free will
Windows is done anyway
fuck you MS always have, always will
Upgrades never works properly regardless of the OS(Windows, OSX, Linux, BSD).
You're obviously not a linux or bsd user! LOL
Upgrades rarely cause an application to fail. They do not routinely cause system crashes, freezes, etc. Even application failures are years between. And that is linux. Over in BSD-land, it is very rare indeed because they're basically allergic to adding new features in a bug fix.
The problem is that Windows 10 won't let you just be with a stable system, it is constantly forcing buggy, untested patches and drivers down your throat. That is why it's an unstable piece of shit on top of being a massive pile of spyware and adware.
I happen to disagree w/ you here. While you are right that people hated Windows 8 b'cos of the UI, Classic Shell did not fix things like hot corners, or getting the Metro UI out of your face. Windows 10 still had the big icons when you hit the Windows button, but Classic Shell is a better add-on to Windows 10 than it ever was to Windows 8. I have made it look absolutely like Windows 7, and it couldn't be better
I had my issues w/ Windows 10 when I was working as an insurance agent a year ago. I had an application that sometimes needed to be on overnight, and the problem at the time was Windows 10 doing a restart on its own, w/o asking. That was tremendously annoying, but since the application in question was a Windows application, not much could be done, given how Microsoft has been determined to get people to upgrade. But I have rarely experience BSOD issues.
That being said, due to all the spying and other issues I've read about, I no longer do any financial transactions on WIndows. I have a PC-BSD laptop where I do that, although I have had to give up on upgrading it to 'TrueOS' 10.3 or 11. Or else, I do it on an Android tablet. In fact, whenever Windows 10 is EOL'ed or goes rent only, I plan to migrate to either TrueOS or SteamOS, depending on what I want. Currently, this laptop that I'm working on is TrueOS, while the other one which I bought only for that job (at $250) runs Windows 10. Whenever Satya decides to go into full extortion mode, I plan to dump his OS on the one laptop that it still runs.
It d/t f/x the th/g where ra/om let/s get rep/d w/ a / though.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Which part of "bug" fix is so hard to understand?
New features belong in a release.
Most Open Platform? Seriously?
Fine. I want to remove all the spying in the OS. I'd like the source code AND the license to allow me to
a) modify the code
b) compile the code
c) install the code where ever I'd like
d) give away my modifications so others can do the same.
THAT is what an open platform allows. Anything less is ... er ... less open.
Mr. Nadellia isn't this stupid. He's just copying Mr. Trump and believes that saying something 50 times makes it so. It doesn't.
Can we just label absurd statements like this as "Trumpian" and move on?
"Someone should really open the Windows in here" after leaving off a big stinker.
I have a number of windows 10 systems, none of them have EVER had a BSOD. You probably have shitty hardware or hardware with shitty drivers. The OS itself is sound. The issue of spyware notwithstanding.
Personally I really liked the Win 8 start screen. It's the one thing I really missed from Windows after win 10 drove me to Mint. (I'm sure there's a way to get something similar on Mint, but meh)
Now the start menu was an unbelievable clusterfuck - a virtual junk drawer only saved from total uselessness by a search box. And of course everything else about Metro was an absolute waste of space, though it was easy enough to ignore it all and pretend it didn't exist.
And hot corners...yeah. That giant clock that kept popping up on top of the regular clock when you accidentally put your mouse in the wrong place was probably the most pointless feature I've ever seen on a desktop computer.
Fuck you Nadella. You sound like a dipshit.
That's why its so easy to infect a Windows system. Open holes every where you look! ;-)
April 4th 2015 a Microsoft update installed GWX which then recorded 24 hours of a persons computer usage then sent it off to a third party all within 26 hours of being installed. It took all the AV programs cooperation to allow it out (my guess, as one should of stopped a strange file from a strange program, the only exception is Windows Firewall).
I caught it, and while reported it to any that would listen, it was too late, yet there were three more config.cnf files (actions) still left.
Apparently I'm the only person in the world with the file that was to of been sent, and a hard sell - my hosts file blocked it from leaving.
That was the point I quit Windows and am now running Linux Mint, and it's a fine system, no regrets.
I still have Win7 installed but I don't allow it to call out, I go as far as pulling the network cable when booting into it. Playing games will require a different strategy.
Network World
article:
Windows 10 is possibly the worst spyware ever made. Quote: "Buried in the service
agreement is permission to poke through everything on your PC."
I was (am?) a "Windows Insider", I was able to download Win10 6 months before it's release, I read the ToS which said the same thing, they would have control over hard drives, Web Cams and if it wasn't covered by name the " and anything attached to the computer" clause covered it.
I refused to install Win10 under those conditions, and it sat until it disappeared - making no claims, just I don't delete anything I've downloaded; they become outdated and worthless but keep them I do.
I had this happen about three weeks ago with an expensive Fuji-Xerox network printer. Their web site was down for a rewrite or something over a weekend so no MS driver for me until Monday.
The linux desktops could use it.
The only thing "open" about MS is their flies as they try to fvck the world with their scaly monopolistic peckers & rubbish worthless spyware products.
If its that good, I want some of it, it has to be the most way out stuff around. And I quite cold turkey 27 years ago.
you chose the OS to fit what you want to run and not the other way around.
And you choose the hardware to run a particular operating system. The trouble is that a lot of hardware form factors, such as laptops smaller than 12 inches, don't have an offering by an X11/Linux-specialist company such as System76.
So when have you ever been unable to run whatever software you want in Windows? Use what ever hardware you want?
I can't use hardware that lacks a Windows driver, such as hardware that I developed myself. Developing device drivers for Windows 10 requires paying a recurring fee for an EV code signing certificate and the corporation or LLC to become eligible for said certificate.
If you can't trust an OS to buy porn, what can you trust?
Windows 8 and 8.1's UI is killer on a tablet. Everything else, and especially for day to day desktop use, it's crapola.
Windows 10 has some awesome features and I definitely like the UI. But, it has bags and bags of shit attached to it and it's buggy with everything. The automatic updates and in your face advertising are making SMB's seriously look at competing products and that right there is enough to start putting a stick in Microsoft. The up-selling and over-selling of Azure is another good reason.
I just finished reading their "what's changed" Windows Server 2016's whitepaper which had lots of security-related items in it. One item, "Just in Time Administration", involved deploying "Privileged Access Workstations" or "PAWS" which are secure access terminals for your admins to get into the infrastructure from, using layer upon layer of security to ensure the infrastructure stays secure which works great right up until the PAWS themselves become a target. We're reinventing the concept of out-of-band management that's been around for a few decades.
Also, it is a really shitty acronym, "PAWS". That's right up there with "Learning snacks". This is what happens when an Indian company tries to be British-trendy in America. You might as well call the stations pepperoni and the management network pizza.
The problem isn't the trouble of having to read and modify so much, it's that even if you do all that you can't trust what you have; you can't be sure those "41 pages of switches, GPOs, and reg hacks" will grant you the privacy you seek even on the Enterprise variant of Windows. Anyone who tells you otherwise is speculating from ignorance. You can't stop any variant of Windows from tricking users into "upgrading" to some more recently-released variant (like the trouble Windows users had with Windows 10 "upgrades" recently). That's the thing about proprietary software; you're never in charge of what it does. Even if you think you've set the switches the right way, programmers can make a UI that looks like it is doing what the user wants but actually does something the user does not want and does this without the user's permission or control. No configuration of switches can fix this. Users need software freedom to fix this.
Satya Nadella and Bill Gates before him focused on what's important for modern proprietors—spying on the user because that's profitable and secures powerful friends. Consider that Microsoft tells the NSA about bugs before fixing them. This doesn't help most Windows users, but it helps the NSA know to devalue those bugs. And it tells you to devalue proprietary software. With proprietors, you're the product: all the data you generate including what you run, when you're using the computer, and where you take the computer (for computers with cell phone capability or GPS units) can and is spied upon. You don't get out of that trap without software freedom either.
Digital Citizen
This is to me like saying " I am the richest person on planet"
To be technically correct those chromebooks that are alive and well have linux on them (under the google stuff).
If you want Ubuntu or whatever Lenovo and I'm sure others support it on netbook sized machines:
http://support.lenovo.com/au/en/documents/pd031426
Satya Nadela is an asshole the size of the Pacific Ocean. Only stench and waste emerge. I hope he and his entire family have to suffer the horseshit an average Windows user suffers times 10.
Back in the ancient 80's, even Data General had a V5 version of Unix on hardware where BOTH were hot-upgradeable: O/S, apps, cards, disks, cabinets, network, the lot. ...
Microsoft?
Still a pathetically bad joke, with all their resources, power and talent
I assume you're talking about the kernel and the userspace. The constantly fluid desktop environments are no better than Windows. At all.
If you're on a generic PC, then yes. I happen to have a netbook model which it seems none of the developers of Linux have. Each upgrade that fixes something, breaks something else.
Camera worked through a total of four months. WiFi currently doesn't cause a hard freeze when switched off and on again, but it still sometimes just stops seeing any networks and requires NetworkManager restart. Hibernation never worked and likely never will. Through a lot of work with obscure configs I got Bluetooth to work... next update broke it. The modem works when started through one hacked together script. One release fixed it, it started working 'out of the box' with everything connecting automagically when plugged in, then the next broke it.
Open means open. Post your source code Nadella or STFU!
I'm sure the XCFE users disagree with you about that.
Whenever Satya decides to go into full extortion mode
I seriously look forward to that day. I'm already having a great time watching the fireworks with all his moves so far, and enjoy watching users suffer with debacle after debacle.
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Fanboy cheerleaders coming up .... FYI Freebsd 11 is a freaking nightmare upgrading. My Hyper-V guests running your bsd have issues seeing the hard drive after upgrading. Differencing disks do not function and even bare metal as the host OS the ports do not work for at least 3 programs.
Freebsd 10.3 worked fine from your beloved OS before upgrading.
Never ever upgrade is a common SOP of IT since things always break. Sorry but just because you like BSD doesn't mean it's magical and laws of complexity do not apply.
http://saveie6.com/
Why? Is your life really that meaningless?
So hairy you want MS html, MS Css, things that only work on win32, etc?
Bill Gates is what caused MS to focus on being proprietary and monopolistic! He was the one who broke ASCII so you needed dos2unix and unix2dos on purpose to make porting hard. He made Sco Xenix broken so it would be harder to port apps to solaris and irix.
You may hate the new CEO but he is open sourcing things, supporting Freebsd and Linux to azure, porting PowerShell to Linux and Ubuntu to Windows, creating ms code editor to Linux and Mac OSx, and Android and mono development to visual studio 2015.
Bill Gates would reverse this.
Personally MS is making much better applications. Windows is the only issue based on 2 things which a QA team and less spyware can fix. Keep in mind your phone and Browser do the same things. If MS needs to fund this they should sell different versions
http://saveie6.com/
Do you watch any entertainment at all? TV? Movies? Books even?
Is your life meaningless because you are entertained by them?
Why are you even here in this thread? Is your life so meaningless you have nothing better to do than read a discussion about Windows? I find it entertaining to read this and laugh at all the problems and misery people are experiencing, entirely of their own doing.
Nadella speaks the truth.
From the perspective of Microsoft looking outward, the Windows 10 platform has definitely opened up visibility and authority to access almost every user's actions and files at a level that no other platforms ever has.
No. No. Sometimes.
I get my fun through friends, travel and adventure. You are apparently so insecure that you need to watch others suffer in order to make yourself feel better.
Well, then, the author of this book must also be a moron. Should I beg a thousand pardons for reading it?
It could be I'm a natural-born BSD-user, and I just don't know it.
It's got to be the worst thing about the modern software scene: "You've got to accept automatic upgrades for the security fixes! Oops, did we just change your entire UI? Well you know, consistent user experience! Everyone loves it-- *except for you*."
No, you're getting all of your entertainment sitting here writing dumb comments, apparently. Why should I believe that you have any friends, and do any kind of travel?
Or do you really think I spend all my time laughing at people complaining about problems with Windows?
So.... can you tell me when will you add your hyper-v open integration tools in EPEL (like vmware open tools) and release your code if you are so open. Peoples with all OS will be able to port and use them?
Thank you for bearing with me on this line of discussion.
To be technically correct those chromebooks that are alive and well have linux on them (under the google stuff).
Likewise, to be "the best kind of correct", Android devices run Linux, and many DVRs and "smart" TVs run Linux. Perhaps Richard Stallman was right that "Linux" is too ambiguous as the designation of a personal computing platform.
I was referring to X11/Linux because not all applications that I regularly use under Xubuntu on my Dell Inspiron mini 1012 netbook have been rewritten in JavaScript as Chrome Apps to run under Chrome OS, which is the only "Linux distribution" that a Chromebook in OS verification mode can run. In fact, with the announced deprecation of Chrome Apps in Chrome for Windows, macOS, and X11/Linux, the Chrome App platform has become less attractive to developers because they can no longer target both Chrome OS and traditional desktop and laptop platforms with one development effort.
Or do you consider it practical to buy a Chromebook, put it in developer mode, and use Crouton or similar to install an X11/Linux distribution in a chroot? In that case, the bootloader of a Chromebook makes it too easy for anyone who touches the machine to switch from developer mode back to operating system verification. It in fact encourages the user to press Space then Enter rather than allowing developer mode to boot, and because switching modes wipes the machine, it puts my uncommitted changes and the use of applications installed on the machine at risk.
So let's start from square one, as you mentioned earlier: Given apps, you choose an OS, and then you choose hardware to run that OS. The apps I want to run are a web browser, a text editor, Python with Pillow Imaging Library and IDLE, ca65, GNU Make and Coreutils, and FCEUX debugging version. All run on Xubuntu: FCEUX debugging version in Wine and the rest natively. But all also run on Windows, as MSYS provides GNU Make and Coreutils on Windows. And as far as I can tell, more 10-11 inch laptops manufactured in 2016 are warranted to run Windows than to run a version of Linux that supports GNU, X11, and Wine.
If you want Ubuntu or whatever Lenovo and I'm sure others support it on netbook sized machines
Which machines in the list you cited are netbooks that are still manufactured? Or do I need to go find a list of all Lenovo netbooks and Ctrl+F for each in the list you cited?
If it makes Windows solid, with no crashes and spyware? Sure bring it on, can't be any worse than what Google and Apple are doing.
And if you are saying this "cuz Linux" I honestly do not care, Linux can DIAF because for 20+ damned years we have watched the Linux community fuck themselves up and shoot themselves in the face over and over AND OVER with one dumb as fuck move after another. I swear after dealing with Linux for the better part of a decade I am now sure its run from bizzaroland, where the devs go "quick things am starting to get stable and users am happy! We must rip out major subsystem so the OS is sent backwards half a decade and will take years just to get back to where it was, then users will feel they am 'leet' if they can just get the thing to run! Aren't we am smart?"
So at this point I have zero fucks to give, if Billy came back and put out an OS that run was well as XP X64 or Win 7 X64? He could be as big a douchenozzle as he wanted, I have zero doubt you'd have hundreds of millions lining up to sing his praises after 3 stinkers in a row. Again couldn't be any worse than Google with their rigging search results to support their political investments and putting more and more APIs behind the Playwall or Apple hiring companies to make its products that treat workers so badly they had to put suicide nets outside the factories to keep visitors from being hit by falling workers.
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
Have you ever tried to copy a VHD to another folder in the vein hopes of space?
HAHAHAHA
right.Export you say? DOSBox got it openly right. M$ is left.
What a load of horseshit.
It's worth noting that in Windows 10, most display driver crashes are automatically recovered and don't cause blue screens anymore. This is a welcome change, as my preferred video card vendor seems unable to produce a card/driver combo that isn't rubbish for the first 2-3 years after initial release.
Full disclosure: I work for Microsoft but this is my opinion, not paid shilling.