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AT&T Buys Time Warner For $85B. Is The Mass Media Consolidating? (reuters.com)

Though regulators may not agree, "Time Warner and AT&T reps claim this is necessary just to compete," warns Mr D from 63. Reuters reports: The tie-up of AT&T Inc and Time Warner Inc, bringing together one of the country's largest wireless and pay TV providers and cable networks like HBO, CNN and TBS, could kick off a new round of industry consolidation amid massive changes in how people watch TV... Media content companies are having an increasingly difficult time as standalone entities, creating an opportunity for telecom, satellite and cable providers to make acquisitions, analysts say. Media firms face pressure to access distribution as more younger viewers cut their cable cords and watch their favorite shows on mobile devices. Distribution companies, meanwhile, see acquiring content as a way to diversify revenue.
The deal reflects "big changes in consumption of video particularly among millennials," according to one former FCC commissioner, and the article also reports that the deal "will face serious opposition." Massachusetts Democrat Edward Markey warned "we need more competition, not more consolidation... Less competition has historically resulted in fewer choices and higher prices for consumers..." And in a Saturday speech, Donald Trump called it " an example of the power structure I'm fighting...too much concentration of power in the hands of too few."

132 comments

  1. Unbelievable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time Warner Cable is almost as bad as Comcast... Enjoy, AT&T.

    1. Re:Unbelievable by bigfinger76 · · Score: 1

      This has nothing to do with TWC.

    2. Re:Unbelievable by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure Time Warner spit out TWC (Time Warner Cable) as a separate company a year or so ago so this merger doesn't include TWC.

    3. Re:Unbelievable by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      Time Warner Cable is owned by Charter.

    4. Re: Unbelievable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time Warner Cable is owned by Charter.

      So why are AT&T buying it?

    5. Re:Unbelievable by AaronW · · Score: 1

      Believe it or not, Comcast was a MAJOR upgrade from AT&T for me.

      I used to have the @Home cable modem service and was quite pleased with it. This is before the days of Doxis and there was no throttling. My cable modem was capable of 10Mbps up and 10Mbps down. Later, @Home reduced it to 10Mbps down and 1Mbps up. Times were still good since that was an insane amount of bandwidth.

      Then AT&T bought out @Home and switched it to AT&T Broadband Internet (ATTBI). They decided to reduce the upstream bandwidth to 128Kbps, but they aggregated all of the users through the SAME 128Kbps pipe. As a result, on the best of days I saw 40% packet loss with ping. My old 28.8Kbps modem was faster than my cable modem. It was like this for 9 months. Technical support was absolutely useless. There were newspaper articles about it but still the incompetence continued.

      When Comcast took over things improved drastically. I will go out of my way to avoid anything to do with AT&T. While Comcast has a lot of problems, it is nothing like what I experienced with AT&T. AT&T was absolute shit.

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    6. Re:Unbelievable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They decided to reduce the upstream bandwidth to 128Kbps, but they aggregated all of the users through the SAME 128Kbps pipe.

      ALL of them, right? That’s what, millions of people sharing a 128 kbps pipe?

    7. Re: Unbelievable by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 0

      Hey moron, AT&T is buying Time Warner the media company.

  2. "will face serious opposition." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ya, right.

    believe it when i see it.

    they let comcast+nbcuniversal happen. this will sail through with minimal, if any, *temporary* concessions.

    1. Re:"will face serious opposition." by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      Media isn't consolidating - it's monopolizing. First they grow to a few big corporations then they specialize in a certain field of media and customers will have no choice.

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      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
  3. Cartel socialism by xtronics · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a good move by AT&Fee - makes it easier to bribe the correct political elite to keep smaller companies from competing.

    Easier than providing better service if people have less options.

    1. Re: Cartel socialism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CNN has done a good job of fighting for Hillary. Giving CNN even more power and more money will help to make sure we have the right rulers.

    2. Re: Cartel socialism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. The media helps balance out against stupid voters.

    3. Re:Cartel socialism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank to all the media blunders, Trump is more powerful now than he ever was as a simple business man.

    4. Re: Cartel socialism by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Funny

      Exactly. We should trust our betters that know what we need and make sure that bad things like populism never happen here. Imagine if the ignorant and deplorable people were allowed to take over the government. It would be the end.

    5. Re:Cartel socialism by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Is this a joke? After the private consolidation is complete, the next phase is transfer to the biggest monopoly of all: the state.

    6. Re: Cartel socialism by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      Imagine if the ignorant and deplorable people were allowed to take over the government. It would be the end.

      Feudal Lords should never underestimate a mass uprising of peasants. In that situation, everyone loses.

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      We'll make great pets
    7. Re:Cartel socialism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The transfer of power would be to the companies not the State. Why the fuck would companies give up their power to the State? All they have to do is continue their lobbying efforts and they have puppets in Washington do everything for them.

    8. Re:Cartel socialism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also makes it easier to cancel all your services by just calling one place.

    9. Re: Cartel socialism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The media have played a large part in ensuring that voters are misinformed and will vote against their own best interests.

      They're jumping the shark right now though. The propaganda is getting so ridiculous and unbelievable that even the average person is waking up and saying "this is bullshit".

    10. Re: Cartel socialism by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      CNN has done a good job of fighting for Hillary.

      Sure, because media companies are part of the Democrat Party coalition. But ISPs are part of the Republican Party coalition. So I expect this new entity to be politically schizophrenic.

    11. Re:Cartel socialism by unixisc · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yesterday, Trump said that if he wins, he'd block this deal, and prevent such consolidation.

    12. Re:Cartel socialism by inhuman_4 · · Score: 1

      It's an easy play. Time Warner is one of Hillary's top biggest donors. Expect him to hammer the point that she is establishment, owned by big industry, in league with a corrupt media (TM owns CNN), etc.

    13. Re:Cartel socialism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And tomorrow when pandering to a different crowd he'll imply that he would let it go through if some vague and completely subjective circumstances arise.

    14. Re:Cartel socialism by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Thank to all the media blunders, Trump is more powerful now than he ever was as a simple business man.

      Trump is done. He won't be President, but worse than that (for him), it destroys his credibility as a businessman. He's now a "toxic figure." Other businesses won't be willing to book conferences at Trump hotels since he's too partisan a figure now. He needed to be non-partisan as a businessman, since you can't afford to piss off a large proportion of the country without getting anything for it.

      Who will want to do business with Donald Trump now when there are so many other successful businessmen without the political baggage?

  4. But, but, but........millenials!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can these fuckheads ever thing about anything else? Oh noes!!! The millennials!!!!

  5. FINALLY! by freeze128 · · Score: 1

    AT&T means American Telephone and Telegraph. Now they can change it to mean American Telephone and Television. Finally AT&T can stand for something that isn't ridiculously out of date.

    1. Re: FINALLY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What, it's not Assholes, Terriorists, & Trannys?

    2. Re: FINALLY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just described the Yakima City Council: https://www.yakimawa.gov/council/

    3. Re: FINALLY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a CIS white straight christian male, I'd trust an asshole muslim trannie over AT&T or TWC.

    4. Re:FINALLY! by azrael29a · · Score: 1

      AT&T means American Telephone and Telegraph. Now they can change it to mean American Telephone and Television. Finally AT&T can stand for something that isn't ridiculously out of date.

      Well, traditional telephone (landline) and television are going to be obsolete too quite soon. If they want a future-proof name then they should change it to American mobile Telephone & InTernet :-P

    5. Re:FINALLY! by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      The only thing AT&T stands for is fucking over their customers.

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    6. Re:FINALLY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We don't care. We don't have to."

      - The Phone Company

    7. Re:FINALLY! by hambone142 · · Score: 1

      AT&T is really Southwestern Bell. When SWB acquired AT&T they chose that moniker because it had better name recognition.

      Bigger is never better for the consumer. Take a look at consolidated airlines, banks, grocery chains. It means fewer choices and less price competition.

    8. Re:FINALLY! by ShaunC · · Score: 2
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      Thanks to the War on Drugs, it's easier to buy meth than it is to buy cold medicine!
    9. Re:FINALLY! by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      We had a pretty good 20 years in the phone industry since Ma Bell was broken up. Lots of competition, new services, better prices.

      I used to use PacBell DSL Internet and it was pretty good! (for the time)
      Then they got bought by SBC and they were not.. quite as good, but still ok.
      Then SBC bought AT&T, but apparently AT&T absorbed and corrupted them from within, becoming the AT&T behemoth once again, and their DSL service went to shit. As did their billing department.

  6. Trump and Clinton by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1, Funny

    Trump has already said he will oppose the merger and even wants too undo the Comcast Universal merger, though I doubt he can.

    Hillary OTOH is waiting to see how much AT&T will cough up.

    1. Re:Trump and Clinton by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Funny

      I loved the dinner the other night where Trump and Clinton roasted each other. I thought the best line was the one where he said he enjoyed meeting the leaders of her campaign team Then he began pointing out the heads of ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and the New York Times. Even the people that hated him laughed loudly.

    2. Re:Trump and Clinton by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Yes,Trump has come out against this saying "As an example of the power structure I'm fighting, AT&T is buying Time Warner and thus CNN, a deal we will not approve in my administration because it's too much concentration of power in the hands of too few,"

      Hillary on the other hand will not come out against it, as she wants as many powerful friends in high places as she can get.

    3. Re:Trump and Clinton by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Humor works best when there is truth behind it.

    4. Re:Trump and Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the rest of the world is shaking their heads that Trump and Hillary are the best that America can produce for president.

    5. Re:Trump and Clinton by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Humor works best when there is truth behind it.

      That is true and funny.

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      I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
    6. Re:Trump and Clinton by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

      The pivoted-to-paranoia Trump is quick to forget that it was the media who made him a thing to begin with. Now that it's obvious that he can't compete he's adding them to his list of everyone else that he wants to blame for his shortcomings.

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      Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
    7. Re:Trump and Clinton by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I know, right? Reporting the things he says and does. It's like they are /trying/ to destroy him.

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    8. Re:Trump and Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Paranoia? He straight up called out all the 1% types there who had turned on him because they only care about team colors, not any sort of values at all.

      Hillary's team does hate Catholics, making it doubly ironic for her to be at a Catholic charity event. You can read all about it in the Podesta emails. At least, assuming you don't believe the CNN lie that only the media is allowed to look.

    9. Re:Trump and Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its just a club of rich kids at the end of the day, play rich kid games.

    10. Re:Trump and Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feel free to quote the relevant statements i the Podesta emails that illustrate the Clinton campaign's hatred of Catholics.

      I will be patiently awaiting your response.

    11. Re:Trump and Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here you go

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/10/12/wikileaks-emails-show-clinton-spokeswoman-joking-about-catholics-and-evangelicals/?0p19G=c

    12. Re:Trump and Clinton by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I hope you haven't been reading those e-mails. Those are stolen and that makes you an accessory after the fact. Don't wait for the FBI to batter your door down, go turn yourself in.

    13. Re:Trump and Clinton by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      It does appear that way. I get the feeling that when it's all over Trump is going back to TV bigger than ever.

    14. Re:Trump and Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      So, two Catholics joking about Catholics. aka most of Catholic literature and media.

    15. Re:Trump and Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      While not reporting the things she's said. Both are terrible candidates. The only chance Hillary had was for the DNC to help her beat Sanders, the media willing to act as shills, and a general election opponent as repugnant as Trump.

      captcha: tampers

    16. Re: Trump and Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump? Values? Dude, what world do you live in?

    17. Re:Trump and Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and all those companies are owned and run by JEWS. The same JEWS who are telling us that Clinton is 'leading' in the polls, or at 50%, which is blatantly untrue when you look at the size of the crowds at Trump's rallies, compared to at Clinton's rallies.

    18. Re:Trump and Clinton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was patiently waiting to see the reply, but not eager to reply once you did XD

  7. Comcast/NBC Universal merger was a disaster, too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The largest distributor of content merged with a big producer of content. That's freaking vertical integration right there, but Comcast is also the only option available in many markets. And where there is another option, the prices aren't significantly different.

  8. This is actually a good thing but only if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is probably no reason to block this merger as it would create what is clearly a massive market monopoly. AT&T and Time Warner own pretty much all the cables suitable for communication into people's houses in many areas. As such, it would become much easier fo smaller startups and competitors to demand reasonable openness and lease rates on privately owned fiber, copper and even wireless.

    Countries all over the world have far more competition in broadband than America because regulations like "Companies have rights to monopolies on all new copper and fiber for two years following installation to build a customer base and loyalty to assist on ROI, following that, they must provide lease of those cables to competitors at rates that would permit them to be competitive".

    This means that AT&T would be allowed their monopoly but consumers would have access to more providers, greater choice and better prices as it would spur competition. In addition, it would incentivize building out better networks to companies hoping for the two year monopolies. It would also reduce building 4-5 networks in a city which is profitable and building nothing in a city that isn't.

    This merger along with a strong (expensive) lobbying effort by a united group of smaller providers could actually help consumers in America have at least have a choice. If this presidential election proves anything, the media currently has too much impact on people and making it easier to regulate the media may help. We have two candidates who are campaigning that simply should NOT be allowed there and the media, because of ratings and competition have turned it into a mix of a circus and a year long boxing or professional wrestling match.

    Less competition might be a good thing. I thing the mad competition for ratings has caused the press to LOVE this election as people are watching it instead of other highly intellectual programs like "Real Housewives of New Jersey".

    1. Re:This is actually a good thing but only if... by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      There is probably no reason to block this merger as it would create what is clearly a massive market monopoly. AT&T and Time Warner own pretty much all the cables suitable for communication into people's houses in many areas.

      Time Warner, which is what AT&T want to buy, own no cables. Time Warner Cable, which is now a separate company from Time Warner, own cables; they have already been bought by Charter Communications, who also own cables.

  9. Re:Comcast/NBC Universal merger was a disaster, to by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    I subscribe to DirecTV and have for years. I opposed the buyout from AT&T going so far as to write the FCC and my congressman. I have to say though that so far at least it hasn't been bad. I have an AT&T cell phone as that is the only major carrier that works in my area and now I can watch anything on DirecTV on my phone with no data charges. I can program my DVR from the app on my phone anywhere which is handy. I'm still leery of big conglomerates becoming monopolies but with proper oversight it could have advantages. Then again, given how lobbyists write legislation nowadays I have a feeling it's going to end badly.

  10. Where are the important details? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has this newly merged corporation-person declared a gender yet? What is this entity's preferred pronoun?

    1. Re:Where are the important details? by DaHat · · Score: 1

      What is this entity's preferred pronoun?

      Master/lord/eminence.

    2. Re:Where are the important details? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has this newly merged corporation-person declared a gender yet? What is this entity's preferred pronoun?

      No. All we know is that it wants to fuck everyone in the ass.

    3. Re:Where are the important details? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Has this newly merged corporation-person declared a gender yet? What is this entity's preferred pronoun?

      We started with the generic He/She/It. Then we thought it would be easier as (S)he/It. Eventually we shortened that to Shit. Everyone seems comfortable with the appellation.

  11. Re:Comcast/NBC Universal merger was a disaster, to by DishpanMan · · Score: 2

    That's great that you can watch DirecTV on your phone without data charges. However, this is also the reason why Antitrust laws exist. It means someone on T-Mobile and DirectV doesn't have this option and has to pay extra. This does not promote competition, nor is it beneficial for net neutrality. If this merger happens you will probably be able to watch HBO too at a discount. This merger is exactly what antitrust laws are meant to curtail. It may be convenient for the consumer in some ways, but it is anti competitive. "These Acts, first, restrict the formation of cartels and prohibit other collusive practices regarded as being in restraint of trade. Second, they restrict the mergers and acquisitions of organizations that could substantially lessen competition. Third, they prohibit the creation of a monopoly and the abuse of monopoly power."

  12. DIE, EARTH, DIE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I put my two shoes on
    I lick my erect nipples with delight,
    tonight's the fight
    who will win
    my labia in gin?

    HO HO HO the santa said and i plunged my clit into his anus

  13. Consolidating? by ddillman · · Score: 2

    What a dumb question. The mass media have been consolidating for DECADES.

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    1. Re:Consolidating? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. A short googling of "media consolidation" provides plenty of links and infographics to induce despair.

    2. Re:Consolidating? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Controlling the media is one of the goals in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

  14. Indeed by s.petry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One of many issues to solve corruption in the country is to de-monopolize the media. When they started letting moguls buy out huge chunks of media about 30 years ago we were warned that this would happen. Now you have actors and actresses repeating talking points and the AP is the single source of most "news". Investigative journalism has become a dangerous vigilante action instead of "Press" as it was defined and discussed at the time of the founding of the USA.

    Lots of problems to work on in this country, and the abuse of monopoly is one.

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    1. Re:Indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of many issues to solve corruption in the country is to de-monopolize the media. When they started letting moguls buy out huge chunks of media about 30 years ago we were warned that this would happen. Now you have actors and actresses repeating talking points and the AP is the single source of most "news". Investigative journalism has become a dangerous vigilante action instead of "Press" as it was defined and discussed at the time of the founding of the USA.

      Lots of problems to work on in this country, and the abuse of monopoly is one.

      The AT&T breakup led to a lot of good things. Does anyone know the statistics. Do breakups of large corporations typically benefit the average person? I assume the answer is yes, and that it is about time to do a do over with AT&T.

    2. Re:Indeed by garyoa1 · · Score: 1

      Good things? Like what? Phone bills quadrupled almost over night. As far as media consolidation... kodi is making inroads so they have a lot to be worried about.

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    3. Re:Indeed by khallow · · Score: 4, Informative

      Phone bills quadrupled almost over night.

      Well, for starters how about stuff that actually happened. Here's a story from 1984 a year after the AT&T break up. It notes a decline in long distance prices (around 5% decline) combined with somewhat sharper rises in local service costs (but 16% increases rather than your bullshit 300% increases). One could buy their own phones and telecom equipment.

      And cell phones are a huge benefactor of the breakup. AT&T had been sitting on cell phone technology for years. Within the decade, its pieces had set up viable cell phone networks.

    4. Re:Indeed by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 0

      And yet Kodi does not produce content like Time Warner. How much of an idiot are you....

    5. Re:Indeed by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      USA phone bills started increasing drastically some timer after the breakup, when PUCs started allowing local monopolies and mergers in exchange for promises to roll out sorely needed infrastructure upgrades.

      Thiose infrastructure upgrades were never completed (in many cases never started), but having paid the Danegeld, the PUCs allowed more mergers and continuing monopolies when the telcos went back for more concessions.

      The end result is that LECs are almost entirely gone, AT&T has been reassembled into 2 halves (to avoid any antitrust litigation) without that pesky "universal service" obligation from the 1935 antitrust settlement and consumers have effectively zero choice in the landline market apart from a few choice areas.

      This is the $10 Trillion Swindle.

      If you want to know why your phone service is so bad, don't look at AT&T, look at the corrupt public servants and politicians in your state chambers who took bribes to allow AT&T to regain its monopoly. The USA political system is corrupt from top to bottom and the the problem is FAR worse at state and local levels than federal. Overall you're generally only a couple of steps better than the funnay asian countries you like to poke fun at and only a step further from being like the Philippines (Which is your former colony and its politicians are applying lessons learned under American colonial rule)

    6. Re:Indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that why Europe was always about a decade ahead of the USA in terms of cell phone tech? Or is there a different/bigger reason?

    7. Re:Indeed by khallow · · Score: 1

      USA phone bills started increasing drastically some timer after the breakup, when PUCs started allowing local monopolies and mergers in exchange for promises to roll out sorely needed infrastructure upgrades.

      Still doesn't fit the narrative of rates quadrupling overnight and it's not a consequence of the AT&T breakup.

      If you want to know why your phone service is so bad, don't look at AT&T, look at the corrupt public servants and politicians in your state chambers who took bribes to allow AT&T to regain its monopoly. The USA political system is corrupt from top to bottom and the the problem is FAR worse at state and local levels than federal. Overall you're generally only a couple of steps better than the funnay asian countries you like to poke fun at and only a step further from being like the Philippines (Which is your former colony and its politicians are applying lessons learned under American colonial rule)

      So somehow this corruption would be better under an AT&T monopoly? I don't buy it.

    8. Re:Indeed by khallow · · Score: 1

      Is that why Europe was always about a decade ahead of the USA in terms of cell phone tech?

      I think it's due to two factors, the usual one of higher population density of Europe and the poorer quality of land lines in large parts of that region encourage adoption of cell phones.

      Also, if European cell phone providers are so much better, then they should be able to make inroads in the US market. But the top five are all US providers though two are majority owned by Japanese or German interests.

  15. would you have fucked marty's mom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i would've.

  16. War==peace, freedom==slavery, consolidation==compe by Rujiel · · Score: 1

    Good thing TW cable isn't involved.. they were too busy being bought by Charter!

  17. Future by BlackPignouf · · Score: 3, Funny

    In 10 years : WalmartGoogleExxonAppleGoldman buys AT&TimeWarnerGeneralElectricsVerizon for $85T

    1. Re:Future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      In 10 years : WalmartGoogleExxonAppleGoldman buys AT&TimeWarnerGeneralElectricsVerizon for $85T

      In 10 years : WalmartGoogleExxonAppleGoldman buys AT&TimeWarnerGeneralElectricsVerizon for $85T

      In 10 years : WalmartGoogleExxonAppleGoldman buys AT&TimeWarnerGeneralElectricsVerizon for $85T

      That should be called: WalmartExxonGoogleAppleGoldman, or WEGAG.

    2. Re:Future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Verizon Chipotle Exxon, Proud to be one of America's eight companies.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFKoGtgg6Mo

    3. Re:Future by TigerPlish · · Score: 1

      Buy n' Large

      BnL will take care of all your sociopolitical needs as well as the material ones.

      This is the logical conclusion of today's course -- the overt, out-of-the-closet marriage between Industry and Government.

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    4. Re:Future by TigerPlish · · Score: 1

      That should be called: WalmartExxonGoogleAppleGoldman, or WEGAG.

      Oh, for mod points...

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    5. Re:Future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then 5 years after that China buys all of America and capitalism is replaced by socialism.

  18. Media made candidate Trump .. by drnb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thank to all the media blunders, Trump is more powerful now than he ever was as a simple business man.

    The media made candidate Trump to f*ck with the Republican primary. Then the media destroys Trump in October to ensure Hillary wins. Much of the stuff they are using to destroy him has been around for a long time, the media could have made it public during the early days of the Republican primary but then Hillary might have had a viable opponent.

    1. Re:Media made candidate Trump .. by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh, please. Trump has been playing to the media since day one. Every time the media has finished one cycle Trump comes out with some new outrage and the spotlight is upon him once more. That worked fine for the primaries where Trump's intentional outrageousness played to the Alt-Right and then the Republican base.

      Trump got more media coverage the all of the other Republican candidates combined. He wanted it that way. Now that it is general election time that outrageousness doesn't play as well to the Dems or Indies.

      As far as the lewd remarks on that one video tape, he could have honestly apologized and let it go. We'd have mostly forgotten it already. He had to try and tell us he never did that kind of thing, though to too many people know better, he made sexual misconduct the story by trying to tell us Billy was worse.

      We call this being hoisted by one's own petard.

    2. Re:Media made candidate Trump .. by drnb · · Score: 0

      Oh, please. Trump has been playing to the media since day one. Every time the media has finished one cycle Trump comes out with some new outrage and the spotlight is upon him once more.

      And the media gleefully accepted the bait and focused on him to the detriment of other candidates. Are you seriously going to say the left leaning media was not gleeful at the mess on the Republican side?

      That worked fine for the primaries where Trump's intentional outrageousness played to the Alt-Right and then the Republican base.

      No, it did not work fine. The other candidates were quite starved of media coverage and that had an effect. The media were not innocent bystanders, they contributed to the circus.

      Trump got more media coverage the all of the other Republican candidates combined. He wanted it that way.

      Yes, the point is so did the media.

      As far as the lewd remarks on that one video tape, he could have honestly apologized and let it go. We'd have mostly forgotten it already.

      Or it could have been revealed during the primary season and we may have had a different republican candidate.

    3. Re:Media made candidate Trump .. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Don't blame the wooden horse, it wasn't self-propelled. Ask who dragged it in through the gate.

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    4. Re:Media made candidate Trump .. by drnb · · Score: 1

      Don't blame the wooden horse, it wasn't self-propelled. Ask who dragged it in through the gate.

      The oracles who said it was safe and that it would offend the gods if left outside share the blame. :-)

    5. Re:Media made candidate Trump .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like Assange could have released his stuff during the primary and given us a candidate that shared the values Wikileaks claims to have, but instead he chose to wait until we were stuck with Hillary.

  19. Look up the verizon exxon chipotle commercial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look up the verizon exxon chipotle commercial

    1. Re:Look up the verizon exxon chipotle commercial by Z00L00K · · Score: 1
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  20. Everything's consolidating by rsilvergun · · Score: 1, Interesting

    this is the inevitable consequence of out of control wealth inequality. When you let the rich have all the money they've got very little left to spend it on besides conquest. This is how it was for humanity for thousands of years. The last 100 or so were a fluke brought on by the rapid advance of technology. Stop it now or you'll never see that 'fluke' again.

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    1. Re:Everything's consolidating by DMJC · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No the last 100 years were a fluke brought on by Two World Wars and a Great Depression which blew away all the wealth of the world and reset the system to a near 0 state. All the businesses and investments in Europe and Asia were toast. Australia was still an early society which hadn't matured/developed into a class structure system. The United States had been crippled by the Great Depression which wiped out most of the Elite's wealth leaving only a few wealthy people. The resulting economic boom from rebuilding from a 0 state was always going to be temporary without strong government intervention/market protections and the US completely dropped the ball on that. Most Western countries have completely lost the plot with wealth inequality and it's back to business as usual.

    2. Re:Everything's consolidating by khallow · · Score: 2

      You're begging a lot of questions here. The biggest is assuming that wealth inequality is an important metric. I think wealth inequality became a popular metric in the first place because it is something that can always be said to be a problem and thus is an evergreen measure of inequality.

      Notice also that there is no desirable level of wealth inequality. Isn't it kind of odd to have a control system without a set point?

      Finally, why do you think wealth inequality is out of control? The US has been suffering from heavy labor competition with parts of the world that are a large factor cheaper. Rich people should be massively more successful at accumulating wealth in such an environment than people whose wealth is solely labor-derived. It's surprising that wealth inequality has shifted so little which indicates to me that you're just missing outright the successful control of wealth inequality.

    3. Re:Everything's consolidating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're begging a lot of questions here. The biggest is assuming that wealth inequality is an important metric.

      I don't see how his statement requires one to assume wealth inequality (WI) is an important metric. He's just saying one consequence of WI is what we're seeing.

      Notice also that there is no desirable level of wealth inequality. Isn't it kind of odd to have a control system without a set point?

      What's so odd about it? If something is seen as bad, there is no such thing as a "desirable" level it. Do you have a "desirable" level of turd in your sandwich?

      The US has been suffering from heavy labor competition with parts of the world that are a large factor cheaper. Rich people should be massively more successful at accumulating wealth in such an environment than people whose wealth is solely labor-derived.

      Actually, rich people would be LESS successful under such conditions. All those poor people can't afford to buy the luxury stuff that richer people would buy, limiting what new businesses the rich people can create, which means less new jobs for poor people, which creates a downward spiral.

      If left alone, this would eventually decreased wealth inequality (e.g weaker businesses close down, the rich become not so rich anymore). So the fact that it has shifted so little is a sign that the elites are propping up the system, preventing the market from correcting itself.

    4. Re:Everything's consolidating by khallow · · Score: 2

      I don't see how his statement requires one to assume wealth inequality (WI) is an important metric. He's just saying one consequence of WI is what we're seeing.

      And the consequences of aren't important? Let us recall he claimed a pretty big thing:

      When you let the rich have all the money they've got very little left to spend it on besides conquest.

      He also claimed that things were different for the last century due to a "rapid onset of technology".

      What's so odd about it? If something is seen as bad, there is no such thing as a "desirable" level it. Do you have a "desirable" level of turd in your sandwich?

      Everyone who eats sandwiches implicitly has a desirable level of turd in their sandwich. Small enough that they never know it's there by taste, smell, illness, etc.

      But wealth inequality doesn't even come close to the disagreeability of the turd-free sandwich. Virtually everyone agrees that someone who tries should have better ability to accumulate wealth than someone who doesn't try. That leads to an inequality which near universally agreed upon. The connotation of wealth "inequality" deceptively implies that the ideal of wealth "equality" is better, but few actually buy into that unlike the ideal of the turd-free sandwich.

      Actually, rich people would be LESS successful under such conditions. All those poor people can't afford to buy the luxury stuff that richer people would buy, limiting what new businesses the rich people can create, which means less new jobs for poor people, which creates a downward spiral.

      Utter fantasy. We only need to look at the developed world to see that you aren't even remotely accurate. Rich people got richer because capital, the primary sort of wealth of rich people, continues to climb relative to the wealth gathering value of labor. It'd be nice, for example, if my wages had tracked the NASDAQ Composition, for example. My minimum wage of $3.65 per hour in 1987 would be roughly $50 per hour today.

      You're also using a particularly erroneous version of the demand-driven model of the economy. Somehow it's really important that developed world people have a weak inflation-adjusted increase in their wages, but not important that the far more numerous developing world workers have massive increases after inflation in their wages.

      But even if we ignore that, demand is not just driven by consumers. It's also driven by employers who always get short shrift with this particular model. I consider that a major error of the model just on its own.

      If left alone, this would eventually decreased wealth inequality (e.g weaker businesses close down, the rich become not so rich anymore). So the fact that it has shifted so little is a sign that the elites are propping up the system, preventing the market from correcting itself.

      And it has in the developing world. But it hasn't in the developed world. The excuses are numerous, but I think I nailed it with global labor competition.

  21. What the hell does any of this have to do by rsilvergun · · Score: 0

    with socialism? Like Bernie Sander's said, words have meaning. Pull your head out of your (or maybe Vlad Putin's if you're one of those Russian trolls) ass.

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    1. Re:What the hell does any of this have to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      with socialism? Like Bernie Sander's said, words have meaning. Pull your head out of your (or maybe Vlad Putin's if you're one of those Russian trolls) ass.

      It is not socialism it is fascism.

  22. Already consolodated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All the media outlets are already owned by like 3 people at the end of the chain.

  23. Amazing by twistedcubic · · Score: 1

    I currently have AT&T Uverse for television, and Time Warner for internet. Why not use one or the other for both? Because Time Warner cable is more expensive for my use case (3 receivers) and AT&T Uverse internet is too slow and more expensive than Time Warner internet. If the government approves this, we better get a viable national third party because otherwise we're doomed.

    1. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You understand that AT&T is not buying Time Warner Cable, yes? It's buying the media properties, not the internet service provider properties. It's more akin to Comcast buying NBC

  24. Markey is a dumbfuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "we need more competition, not more consolidation"

    AT&T and Time Warner don't compete, retard. One is a media business, the other is a telco.

    1. Re:Markey is a dumbfuck by PPH · · Score: 2

      AT&T to Comcast: "We'll carry NBC content if you carry Time Warner content."

      AT&T and Comcast to Netflix: "I guess you are just fucked, buddy."

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    2. Re:Markey is a dumbfuck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      doubly so, since at&t and comcast will (or will continue to) zero-rate their own online content (with at&t also doing that on mobile, too) while ramming rusty crowbars up netflix subscribers' asses.

  25. Coming soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Company with 130 year old name sues people over 70 year old cartoon bunny

  26. Except for the peasants. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    They win.

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    1. Re:Except for the peasants. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      History disagrees.

    2. Re:Except for the peasants. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... Except for the peasants.

      Destroying the ruling elite tends to result in the Reign of terror (France), not the Declaration of independence (USA). Then again, the American colonies didn't murder their wealthy land-holders. It's easy to destroy accumulated wealth; it's difficult to create a replacement, especially one that contains "Liberté, égalité, fraternité".

    3. Re:Except for the peasants. by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      The interesting thing in the American Colonies is that it was mostly wealthy land holders that rebelled. Those guys that signed the Declaration of Independence actually had a lot to lose besides their heads.

    4. Re:Except for the peasants. by Z80a · · Score: 1

      The ruling elite should avoid fucking with the people at a point they go after em.
      Either you give the population a decentish life, or you lose your head.

    5. Re:Except for the peasants. by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      The trick is to milk the people and keep them where they'll never get ahead but they don't starve and they have a few comforts. Once people actually have no hope they become dangerous. Eventually the fuckers in charge get so arrogant and greedy that they take it all. That's when it comes apart like with the French Revolution and the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia.

    6. Re:Except for the peasants. by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      They win.

      You consider mass death a win? You may have a screw loose.

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  27. Amusing by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    When asked about cleaning the facilities where employees work ( the same garbage sits on the floor for years ) or if their workforce will ever get any training for the equipment they maintain, the answer is always the same:

    " It's not in the budget. "

    So they axe the budgets year after year, then complain when no one has any work to do. Oblivious to the fact that a budget is a prequisite for getting anything done when adding or replacing ageing hardware.

    Yet when there are companies to be bought, stadium naming rights or excessive executive compensation up for consideration, there is ALWAYS a budget for that.

    This upcoming Friday, thousands of folks will learn if they got " picked " to leave the company within the next month :|

    Folks wonder what happened to loyalty lol

  28. Re:Comcast/NBC Universal merger was a disaster, to by mrbester · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't you have written to the FTC, not FCC? Not that that would have made the slightest bit of difference...

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  29. Crazy People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dktVJ3qRGS0

  30. Re:Comcast/NBC Universal merger was a disaster, to by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    I can't deny it. As I said, even though now I benefit I feel that eventually it will still end badly.

  31. Re:Comcast/NBC Universal merger was a disaster, to by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    Actually, it was the FTC. But as you say it hardly mattered, it could just as well been the FBI, NSA or EPA for all the fucking difference it made. They donate millions of dollars to get what they need done.

  32. The world wars were only a thing by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    because of tech. Airplanes and Machine Guns and Bombs and such. A good chuck of the reasons for the Great Depression were tech, especially when you strip away the esoteric monetary policy explanations.

    Root cause is still tech changes happening too fast for society to adjust. Least as far as I can tell.

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  33. And up go the rates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As competition is squelched, no reason to worry about the customer going elsewhere. This wont be the AT&T of the past, where the government kept them in check.

  34. I bought ten shares of supercorp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The stock market has gotten so much easier to buy stock on when there is only one listing.

  35. Obligatory by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 2
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    1. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is awesome (and I'm Australian).

  36. what's worse? by h8sg8s · · Score: 1

    The world's two worst customer service organizations will merge creating something truly evil. Just say no.

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    1. Re: what's worse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ibwould consider feontier communications worse from a customer service perspective than either of these.

  37. too much concentration of power in the hands of... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the JEW.

    That's what I think Donald Trump meant to say. And how true it is. Watch as you react to the word "Jew" with fear and terror. Must bow down to your Jewish 'masters' now, mustn't you.

  38. Direct from the Horses Mouth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cheerleading right from the office of the CEO of AT&T:

    * * * * *

    To: All employees worldwide

    Today we announced that Time Warner will merge with AT&T in a game-changing deal. Time Warner is the global leader in media and entertainment with marquee businesses, including HBO, Warner Bros. Entertainment and Turner.

    The media and communications industries are converging. And when it comes down to it, premium content always wins. It has been true on the big screen, the TV screen, and now it's proving true on the mobile screen.

    Household names like CNN, TNT, TBS and HBO, blockbuster shows like Game of Thrones and iconic films like Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings and American Sniper, are going to be joined with AT&T's unmatched customer relationships and distribution scale in TV, mobile and broadband to create a company like no other.

    Only AT&T will have the world's best premium content with the networks to deliver it to every screen. Think about being able to watch every movie or every episode of every season for all the content Time Warner owns – and do that on any device, anytime, anywhere.

    Besides great content, leading this industry also requires direct-to-customer distribution scale and we have it across TV, mobile and broadband in the U.S., mobile in Mexico and TV in Latin America.

    We will be a company with content that's second to none and the networks to distribute it all the ways customers want: mobile, broadband, satellite, subscription, over-the-top, short- and long-form videos, skinny bundles, a la carte – you name it.

    And with insights from 100 million plus customers who subscribe to our TV, mobile and broadband service, we will be able to offer more valuable, addressable advertising and use the insights to better inform us on what content to create and when and where to deliver it.

    Our combined company will be positioned to compete against cable TV and other video providers with new customer choices – from content and distribution to a mobile-first experience that's personal and social.

    This is the power of &. And it's the next logical step in our being the premier integrated communications company in the world. We believe this is the model that wins over time.

    We expect to close this transaction by the end of 2017.

    In the meantime, stay focused on serving our customers and we'll keep you informed of our progress along the way.

  39. Smells like AOL spirit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hmm... the stench of AOL still lingers.

    Remember the last time TW was purchased by an ISP?

  40. Prediction (courtesy of Capt. Obvious) by Jawnn · · Score: 1

    This will be approved, and history will show it to have been a very bad thing for consumers. Bigly. Yuge-ly. One of the worst regulatory mistakes ever.