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AT&T CEO: DirecTV Now Streaming Service Will Cost $35 a Month (variety.com)

AT&T's upcoming DirecTV Now streaming service is going to cost $35 a month, AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson said during a panel at the Wall Street Journal's WSJD Live conference. The package wlll include over 100 channels, he added. From a Variety report: This price point is a significant departure from the company's previous stance, when it suggested that it would launch a premium product that wasn't looking to undercut existing pay TV services. Stephenson argued that it can afford this lower price point because DirecTV Now doesn't require operator-owned set-top boxes, satellite dishes, and customer service home visits. AT&T is set to launch DirecTV Now next month. The service will include channels from cablers like A+E Networks and Scripps, as well as broadcasters like Fox and NBCUniversal.

121 comments

  1. Can I record it by silas_moeckel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    if not it's worthless

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    1. Re:Can I record it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What streaming service lets you record their content?

    2. Re:Can I record it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously not, since you can't record Netflix either.

      That also doesn't stop anyone with a HDMI splitter and a second computer.

    3. Re:Can I record it by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

      Even if Netflix allowed such things, there isn't anything on the Streaming Catalog for Netflix that anyone would ever want to see more than once.
      If that :|

    4. Re:Can I record it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netflix in India. With out time shifting ability it isn't really useful.

    5. Re:Can I record it by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      Obviously not, since you can't record Netflix either.

      I don't need to 'record' Netflix because -

      a) There are already no commercials (so don't need to skip over them)

      b) I can already watch what / when I want, so no need to time-shift.

    6. Re:Can I record it by internerdj · · Score: 1

      I'd presume he is asking if he can time shift it like some of the content from SlingTV.

    7. Re:Can I record it by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

      Netflix in India. With out time shifting ability it isn't really useful.

      Sorry? Do you understand what on demand streaming is? Netflix is on demand. That means that you can demand the see it later. Why would you need to time shift on demand content?

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    8. Re:Can I record it by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Some shows take some time to show up in HBO Now (shows that are produced and aired basically live such as John Oliver).

      I wouldn't mind being able to time shift the live show (but it's hardly a necessary killer feature for me).

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    9. Re:Can I record it by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Just throwing out ideas, but maybe the infrastructure is so shitty it can't maintain a steady connection long enough to watch a full program streamed.
      "Time shifting" ability might refer to download now/watch later really. In which case the content is already cached in its entirety and even with no service at all you can watch the program.

    10. Re:Can I record it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if they remove the content? If you don't have a local copy you're screwed without any recourse.

    11. Re:Can I record it by dfsmith · · Score: 1

      Channel streaming services generally have embedded advertisements.* Netflix, as a content service, does not—they got that correct!

      * And the streaming services (apart from Netflix and Amazon) that I've tried have very intrusive, irritating ads, that are frequently broken, so that if you skip to see a part of the show you wanted to recheck, you have to watch minutes of ads. Without DVR features, channel streaming is tedious.

    12. Re:Can I record it by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      Then Netflix no longer has the license to stream the content and neither do you. You might as well hit the torrents.

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    13. Re:Can I record it by sjonke · · Score: 1

      Playstation Vue has a virtual DVR

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    14. Re:Can I record it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time shift for streaming, why? That is actually more pointless than a smartwatch, hell it's more pointless than the pet rock. You've not ever seen Hulu, Netflix, Amazon or Google Play, or just simply streamed anything have you? You can stream anything they carry any time you want, you do not need to wait until 8pm on Wednesday for the new episode to come out. Times have changed since the 50's. No need to record anything. Pause and fast forward and rewind all you want. Again, no need to record anything, ever*.

      * There is one and only one possible reason to record streaming content. And not actually record, but to be able to download it. That is to watch it offline. There is no other possible reason. Some uneducated or uninformed people may think that it'll be good to download if you have a super slow connection to watch it without buffering. However, if you have such a slow connection, that means any of these streaming services won't be delivering high resolution to you on a slow connection either. So you'll have your movie downloaded and it won't buffer, but it'll look like shit on your 70" HD TV.

    15. Re:Can I record it by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just throwing out ideas, but maybe the infrastructure is so shitty it can't maintain a steady connection long enough to watch a full program streamed. "Time shifting" ability might refer to download now/watch later really. In which case the content is already cached in its entirety and even with no service at all you can watch the program.

      I'll take a look at this.

      I built up a system I'm happy with for "cutting the cord".

      I have an AmazonFireTV by each TV, and I pay $35/mo for Playstation VUE, which streams all the "cable channels" I like, and it has a DVR capability in it, that holds your shows for about 28 days....

      I paired this with a TIVO Roamio OTA dvr setup that came with lifetime guide service...that with TiVO minis by the office and bedroom tvs, allow me to watch live or DVR content from my Over the AIR HD antenna set up.

      I can, of course, also stream Netflix and amazon Prime.

      I dropped my bill from $113/mo with Uverse U200 package to $35/mo. This nice thing is, the VUE component, there is no contract, cancel at any time. So, if I find that the ATT DirectTV Now streaming option for $35 is better than VUE and becomes available on my FireTV I can easily switch to it.

      I looked at SlingTV, but it didn't have DVR capability, and fewer channels offered for the money.

      With VUE, I get TCM, the cooking and food channels, all the ESPN's and the SEC channel, FX, FXX, all the cable news channels (MSNBC, Fox News, CNN..etc)...about the only thing I actually miss from Uverse is AXS and the Velocity channel. I can live without them so far.....

      But this is basically what TV is coming to.

      I figure I'll recoup my hardware expenditure in about 8 months or so with the savings from cutting the cord.

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    16. Re:Can I record it by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      * And the streaming services (apart from Netflix and Amazon) that I've tried have very intrusive, irritating ads, that are frequently broken, so that if you skip to see a part of the show you wanted to recheck, you have to watch minutes of ads. Without DVR features, channel streaming is tedious.

      You might look into the Playstation VUE option, that's what I use for my "cable channels" since I cut the cord.

      It has DVR capability. Things you add as Favorites you can skip through commercials. If it is an "OnDemand" listing, something maybe you didn't record, or something 1-2 days new, it might be OnDemand, but I find the VAST majority of things I watch on VUE I can readily skip through.

      I've just this past weekend breezed through 2 seasons of Fear the Walking Dead.....and skipped commercials. On the last two episodes, VUE gave me the option of OnDemand or DVR and with the DVR I could skip commercials.

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    17. Re:Can I record it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because things disappear from Netflix.

    18. Re:Can I record it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly

    19. Re:Can I record it by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 2

      Obviously not, since you can't record Netflix either.

      I don't need to 'record' Netflix because -

      a) There are already no commercials (so don't need to skip over them)

      b) I can already watch what / when I want, so no need to time-shift.

      And despite all that, I heard Netflix has something in the works to permit downloading content onto your device so you can watch offline.

    20. Re:Can I record it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously not, since you can't record Netflix either.

      That also doesn't stop anyone with a HDMI splitter and a second computer.

      if you have a computer, yes you can record netflix!
      any program like recordmydesktop or simplescreenrecorder can do that and can record anything on your monitor wit or without audio.

    21. Re:Can I record it by dfsmith · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the heads-up about VUE, but it looks like it's more expensive than DishTV (with a DVR) and has fewer channels.

    22. Re:Can I record it by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Internet pricing that varies by time or demand? On-demand streaming is not very good for the internet because it doesn't balance out the load over time. Everyone wants to watch during evening peak periods.

    23. Re:Can I record it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't care about recording. Can I download since I don't have a connection fast enough to stream? There's lots of competition for streaming, but I don't know anyone with a connection fast enough to stream.

    24. Re:Can I record it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      streaming or on-demand is NOT a replacement for dvr recording.. and the archiving, file format conversion and device shifting that is also then made possible...

      record a show to watch later.. yup. you can watch it any time, anywhere, on any device... guaranteed.. unless YOU fuck something up.

      want to stream a show later.. dammit, the show isn't listed (our cable on demand, for instance, has about a 50/50 shot at actually having an episode or movie they're supposed to have)... or fuck! the fuckers removed it.... again. fuck fuck fuck. where's my bittorrent... dammit.. shit fuck damn.

      dvr YOU are in control (with the proper dvr setup, anyway)

      streaming or on demand.. THEY are in control. forever and always.

    25. Re:Can I record it by internerdj · · Score: 1

      I'm familiar with those services. Are you familiar with Dish's SlingTV which I referenced? It is a streaming service that does limit time shifting and is probably the closest equivalent to what DirecTV is trying here.

    26. Re:Can I record it by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the heads-up about VUE, but it looks like it's more expensive than DishTV (with a DVR) and has fewer channels.

      The VUE package I get, the middle one..has over 70 channels for $35/mo. and it covers what I watch regularly and would miss after cutting the cable cord.

      Your mileage may vary.

      But it does have DVR...on VUE.

      What's the DishTV (I'm guessing you mean regular put up a satellite dish for this ) offering cost you're looking at? Isn't that with a 2 year contract and usually goes up in price after contract is up? Do you get hardware with that for all your rooms? They usually charge fees per outlet, etc.

      I've played with satellite, UVerse and cable...I like the combo system I"ve got now with Tivo to capture my local HD OTA channels and the Amazon FireTV unit to stream VUE (cable channels), Netflix and Amazon Prime.

      But everyone needs to see what fits their needs.

      My total cost for TV now is $35....I don't count the Netflix as that I had that before, and my internet is my business expense, I'd have that no matter what and it isn't tied to any media or phone....its a business ISP connection....so, I went from $113/mo with ATT Uverse U200 package to $35/mo.

      The article was talking about this new DirectTV Now service that sounds similar to VUE. I'll see what it looks like....because since I don't have a contract with VUE I can quit at any time for another offering that seems better value.

      And I don't have to deal with satellite dishes....right now my OTA antenna is indoors, but I may put up an external one eventually to get one channel a little better.

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    27. Re:Can I record it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you think it will look like shit, but at least it will actually play. If I'm resorting to a download because the streaming experience is *that bad*, anything less than a download simply won't do.

    28. Re:Can I record it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be really nice for people taking the bus or flying anywhere.

      At home, on wifi: Launch Netflix, select "download" for 2-3 movies
      On the bus or in the plane: Launch Netflix, select "play from downloaded file"

      In-flight wifi costs an arm and a leg for speeds that just don't cut it for video.

    29. Re:Can I record it by bn-7bc · · Score: 1

      A screen recorder sonds like a nice hack, but dos it allso capture muti channel sound tracks and at whar quality? A slight dissadvantage is that you have to dedicate a cumputer to the recording unless you meant window capture instead of screen capture (ignoring multi display setups of course)

    30. Re:Can I record it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At that point, it's time to move to a more urban place or learn to live in your rural environment.

    31. Re:Can I record it by sconeu · · Score: 1

      That's nice. In my case, though, I will never give a single penny to Sony.

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    32. Re:Can I record it by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      I will never give a single penny to Sony.

      Ditto. Sony needs to die. They're doing quite well in that regard, from where they were before they mortgaged the business for the BD win. You could almost make the argument that they're already dead.

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    33. Re:Can I record it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At that point, it's time to move to a more urban place or learn to live in your rural environment.

      Or find a replacement for Comcast if they're your one and only choice. What a mush brained cunt you are, must be a fucking millennial.

    34. Re:Can I record it by Raistlin77 · · Score: 1

      ...about the only thing I actually miss from Uverse is AXS and the Velocity channel. I can live without them so far...

      Actually, I think PS Vue has Velocity. I watched a recording of Monday's Fast 'n Loud episode last night and was asked if I wanted to watch it on Discovery or Velocity. I haven't checked their channel line-up lately, but I figure it has to have it if it's mentioning it.

    35. Re:Can I record it by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think PS Vue has Velocity. I watched a recording of Monday's Fast 'n Loud episode last night and was asked if I wanted to watch it on Discovery or Velocity. I haven't checked their channel line-up lately, but I figure it has to have it if it's mentioning it.

      Thanks, I'll take a look....

      It might be on their next level up, I have the middle level tier for $35/mo...will see if it has been added to mine, or if it is on the next tier up....

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    36. Re:Can I record it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Less than two years ago I was working a night job at a hotel where the internet connection was throttled down to 1.2 mbps. Being able to download the content at home so that I could watch it on my laptop or tablet at work would have been a godsend. As of today that hotel still advertises "high speed internet" but maintains the same throttling.

    37. Re:Can I record it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time shifting on SlingTV (and presumably DirectTV Now) is useful for live broadcast streaming. What you are watching is actually being broadcast live, not stored as a file somewhere waiting for you to watch it at a certain time. So let's say a live broadcast of a brand new show starts. It's not been released to Hulu, Netflix, Amazon or Google Play yet because the station wants to broadcast it live first. Well, on SlingTV, for instance, if I come 20 minutes late to the start of the show I can re-start the show from the beginning and not miss anything even though I've time shifted 20 minutes behind the actual live stream.

      I've been using SlingTV for almost a year on the Roku and for the cheap cost I love it. So does my family.

  2. Comcast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's cool. Now what about the cap on my Comcast data service?

    1. Re:Comcast by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Hell, what about the cap on my U-Verse data service? It's the only hard line available, in city limits, yet it's too slow to even support U-Verse TV.

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    2. Re:Comcast by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Hell, what about the cap on my U-Verse data service? It's the only hard line available, in city limits, yet it's too slow to even support U-Verse TV.

      Well, maybe look into a Business ISP? I think Uverse offers it.

      I dunno where you live....but in the New Orleans area I've had the basic Cox Cable Business Internet set up, good speeds for $69/mo, even has a low level SLA and really good reliability.

      No caps, I can run servers all I want, etc......look for this option in your area.

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    3. Re:Comcast by sglewis100 · · Score: 1

      Hell, what about the cap on my U-Verse data service? It's the only hard line available, in city limits, yet it's too slow to even support U-Verse TV.

      AT&T owns DirecTV and already said DirecTV Now viewing will be zero rated. Regarding the above AC post about Comcast cable cap, you just pay them extra for unlimited. It's going up to a $50 option, which stinks, but for me, $100 total (Comcast 90mb down, 15 up, unlimited bandwidth) isn't the worst deal. I subscribe to PS Vue for another $45, and I'm still paying less than I used to for "traditional TV", plus I don't have "traditional cable boxes" littering my house.

    4. Re:Comcast by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      AT&T is slowly removing data caps...

      I have GigaFiber and was just notified the cap is being removed, not that they ever enforced it anyway.

      And you're paying a lot, I get gigabit up and down for $80 a month, no cap, from AT&T.

    5. Re: Comcast by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Nope, the problem is that substandard U-Verse data is literally the only offering by anyone. I live too far from the node for better speed, and Charter only offers service to the other part of my neighborhood.

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  3. Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Are they going to spy on their customers through this service as well?

    1. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of sissy-ass shit are YOU watching?

    2. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RT isn't as fucked-up as CNN, Fox, MSNBC, etc., but watching it will get you put on a list.

  4. no dvr capability.. limited channels.. no locals.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it's a limited live streaming service, not a replacement for cable or satellite television... especially cable + homerun or tivo....

    and one that violates the very essence of net neutrality with at&t zero-rating this service's data on its own internet plans.

    this is exactly why internet providers should ONLY BE internet providers.. not content providers, telephone companies, cable or streaming or satellite tv companies, etc etc etc.

  5. Do we get a discount by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 3, Insightful

    if we agree to let AT&T spy on us ?

    1. Re:Do we get a discount by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      If you mean "discount" as in lack of a penalty charge, maybe.

    2. Re:Do we get a discount by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spying is non-optional.

      Consent is irrelevant.

    3. Re:Do we get a discount by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Discount? AT&T has to do this, they're forced to. Otherwise they wouldn't make as much money. So since they are forced to do this, you're going to have to get charged for it. Sorry, but that's the only way.

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    4. Re:Do we get a discount by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

      No, you agree to let AT&T spy on us, and you still pay full price. Sorry!

  6. Finally something cheaper by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

    Stephenson argued that it can afford this lower price point because DirecTV Now doesn't require operator-owned set-top boxes, satellite dishes, and customer service home visits.

    I don't know what they are talking about. Every TV services I've ever been with has required me to rent/buy the dish/set top box. And I've never had to have home service visit. Even if I did have 1 or 2, then I would have paid for it 15 times over with the inflated rates my cable providers charge me.

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    1. Re: Finally something cheaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they lock you into a two year contract that they don't mention when they collect your information. So, if you cancel before then, well now, you gotta cough up a few hundred bucks - or they send it to collections and ding your credit.

      Comcast does it too.

      At least Netflix and Amazon don't play that game.

    2. Re: Finally something cheaper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they lock you into a two year contract that they don't mention when they collect your information. So, if you cancel before then, well now, you gotta cough up a few hundred bucks - or they send it to collections and ding your credit.

      Comcast does it too.

      At least Netflix and Amazon don't play that game.

      I just signed up for a 2-year deal with Comcast. I had to go through a dedicated phone call where they read you the terms and conditions and record you agreeing to them. It's hardly hidden.

  7. As someone that lives in Seattle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this would be great news if we could get connections fast enough to stream video. We're so far north that even people with a southern view typically can't use a satellite dish because they have to point so low to the horizon.

    1. Re:As someone that lives in Seattle... by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

      People in the UK, who are way further north, manage to get satellite TV with no problems.

    2. Re:As someone that lives in Seattle... by danbert8 · · Score: 2

      [Citation Needed] Plenty of people have satellite TV in Alaska where the dishes are practically pointed at the ground...

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    3. Re:As someone that lives in Seattle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seattle is about 450 km farther north than Toronto. Most people don't realize just how far north we are. My dish is pointed at only 30 degrees above the horizon. I put it on top of my 75' HAM tower, and even that isn't high enough to be completely reliable. I wish I could get Comcast on our block since the dish is hard as hell to replace when the LNB quits. I've had to replace it three times so far even though we don't get that much lightning.

    4. Re: As someone that lives in Seattle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the hills and the low angle to the horizon and the nice amount of trees in the city, satellite TV just isn't an option for most people here. I'm lucky since I live in the seventh floor and have a south facing balcony, but my of my friends are still stuck using antennas since most of the city isn't covered by Comcast or has the necessary view of the southern horizon to use Dish.

    5. Re: As someone that lives in Seattle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you have larger lots and can cut down trees, yes you can get service. I'm on the second floor of a building and have a five story building to the south so there's no way to get DirectTV to work. Also, Comcast can't dig up the street to provide us cable because of the Director's Rules so I can only get OTA TV.

    6. Re:As someone that lives in Seattle... by Comboman · · Score: 1

      The problem isn't how far north you are (British Columbia gets satellite TV just fine). The problem is your city is at sea level and surrounded by very high mountains to the south and east. Move to the top of Mt. Rainer and you'll get beautiful reception.

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    7. Re:As someone that lives in Seattle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As if Alaska with 1.26 people per square mile is in anyway comparable to Seattle that has 8,161 people per square mile. I don't know anyone that can get DirecTV here. I also don't know anyone that can get cable TV at home.

    8. Re: As someone that lives in Seattle... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Well why the hell do you live there then?

    9. Re: As someone that lives in Seattle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not the GP, but I ask myself that damn question nearly every day. I have dialup at game and share a 1.5 Mbps T1 at work with nearly forty other devs. It sucks. Add in my $3,200 rent for a two bedroom place, and I'm ready to get the hell out of Seattle.

    10. Re: As someone that lives in Seattle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blame the director's rules. That's why most of Seattle can't get faster than dialup or cable TV.

    11. Re: As someone that lives in Seattle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hope much further north are you than Vancouver?

  8. 100 chanels by zlives · · Score: 1

    can i pick the 100 channels otherwise, off to the obsolescence graveyard with you.

    1. Re:100 chanels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100 Channels, nothing of value on 95 of them and the rest could be put on 2 channels if the crap on the remaining 5 was removed.

      I have ZERO interest in channels, I dont watch channels, I watch programs.

      Apart from the local news which we watch over broadcast TV, the rest is now Netflix or other streaming services. Prefer netflix because of the Zero adverts.

  9. On-demand programming? by sinij · · Score: 2

    No on-demand programming? Has commercials? If so, not interested.

    1. Re:On-demand programming? by sglewis100 · · Score: 1

      Yes, TV has commercials.

    2. Re:On-demand programming? by sinij · · Score: 1

      We also used to die from Cholera a lot. We know now better.

  10. Also, is it a la carte? by gweilo8888 · · Score: 2

    Again, if not it's worthless. I'm tired of paying for stations and content that I would never in a million years want to watch. If one penny of my money goes to Bravo, for instance, there is no amount of value you could add elsewhere which would persuade me to help pay for their "reality"-TV drivel.

    1. Re:Also, is it a la carte? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Again, if not it's worthless. I'm tired of paying for stations and content that I would never in a million years want to watch. If one penny of my money goes to Bravo, for instance, there is no amount of value you could add elsewhere which would persuade me to help pay for their "reality"-TV drivel.

      I'm holding out for the day I can get a la carte channels. We pretty much watch AMC (Walking Dead) ,History (Vikings), BTN/ESPN/2/3 (college football & basketball), Fox (Gotham) and HBO (GOT, Westworld, movies, etc.). Also throw in a dash of CNN/Fox News to get both sets of propaganda, and I'd be good to go.

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    2. Re:Also, is it a la carte? by sglewis100 · · Score: 1

      Again, if not it's worthless. I'm tired of paying for stations and content that I would never in a million years want to watch. If one penny of my money goes to Bravo, for instance, there is no amount of value you could add elsewhere which would persuade me to help pay for their "reality"-TV drivel.

      If it's $35 for 100 channels and covers all the channels I care about, I could care less if $34.99 goes to Bravo. Honestly, as "attractive" as the concept of paying for the channels I want and nothing else, when I see the pricing of CBS All Access, HBO Now, etc, I'll just keep the 100 channels of PS Vue I have and be happy. Unless this is a slightly better package, then I'd switch.

    3. Re:Also, is it a la carte? by sglewis100 · · Score: 1

      Again, if not it's worthless. I'm tired of paying for stations and content that I would never in a million years want to watch. If one penny of my money goes to Bravo, for instance, there is no amount of value you could add elsewhere which would persuade me to help pay for their "reality"-TV drivel.

      I'm holding out for the day I can get a la carte channels. We pretty much watch AMC (Walking Dead) ,History (Vikings), BTN/ESPN/2/3 (college football & basketball), Fox (Gotham) and HBO (GOT, Westworld, movies, etc.). Also throw in a dash of CNN/Fox News to get both sets of propaganda, and I'd be good to go.

      I mean... assuming HBO is $15 (because it is), and ESPN would be $15 (because they get a TON of money from cable and satellite companies now, by far the highest paid), you'd have to be able to get AMC, History, FOX, CNN and Fox News for a buck each to equal the $35 from DirecTV Now. Now granted DirecTV's service won't include HBO at that price point, but I'm not sure skinny bundles are going to save anybody money in the next few years compared to $35 to $55 fat bundles from Vue, Sling, now DirecTV, and coming soon Hulu and Google.

    4. Re:Also, is it a la carte? by gweilo8888 · · Score: 1

      Except that ESPN is the main suck on the wallets of people who aren't watching it. Half the country couldn't care less about the sports they show, but ESPN has been very aggressive in ensuring that they're tied into bundles which don't let you avoid them without avoiding pretty much everything. If you're an ESPN viewer, you'll probably pay more overall a la carte because your bill isn't being subsidized by me. But if I take the literally two or three stations I actually want (AMC, BBC America and *perhaps* NBC Sports (although I only watch it for F1 racing, which has declined in quality so badly in the last decade that I might actually skip it), I'll almost certainly be saving money over what I have to pay to get those same channels now. And even if I don't, I'll be comfortable in the knowledge that more of my money will be going to those channels, and hopefully being used to create more of their content. And then there's the channels *nobody* actually wants to watch, but which sit and waste bandwidth that could've been used for more HD channels without needing to jack up the BS "HD content delivery fees" from the likes of Comcast. Jewelry TV, QVC, the religious channels etc. will have to pay *me* to be in my household, and that's the way it should be.

  11. Sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Find a VCR.

  12. Doomed to fail by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is just silliness. The trend is very much toward being able to pick and choose what shows we want to watch, when we want to watch them. Preferably commercial-free. (I pay don't even mind paying for commercial-free content, I already pay Hulu the extra $4/mo.)

    The idea of 'channels', 'stations', 'broadcasters', and someone else picking out the programming we might be interested in going the way of the floppy drive. Telling someone like me you're offering 100 channels is nonsense and useless information. I'm more interested in what programming/content there will be to choose from, and if I can't choose, not going to subscribe, end of story.

    Bad business choice on AT&T's part. Will never make money. Will definitely not lure 'cable cutters.' We're a whole new breed of content consumer, unlike the cable-television junkie of old.

    1. Re:Doomed to fail by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      They are probably going after people who can't quite imagine not having TV channels and only watching on demand. People not quite ready to cut the cord, and who will thus pay 4x the going rate.

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    2. Re:Doomed to fail by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1

      They are probably going after people who can't quite imagine not having TV channels and only watching on demand. People not quite ready to cut the cord, and who will thus pay 4x the going rate.

      Yeah, that makes about as much sense as selling horses and wagons when we're all driving cars. It's bad business, targeting a type of consumer that is dying off or moving on to the modern world of streaming programming, on demand.

    3. Re:Doomed to fail by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      This sounds a lot like Comcast's XFinity, where you sign in to a website to watch cable TV. Good job guys, you've finally done what Comcast did 3 years ago... And you managed to limit it to only your channels. Now I can get less than 1/5th of the total channels for 1/3 of the price. What a bargain.

    4. Re:Doomed to fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the issue is that unless they work out deals with all the big ISPs, it won't matter - the amount of data from streaming will kill caps.

    5. Re:Doomed to fail by sglewis100 · · Score: 1

      This is just silliness. The trend is very much toward being able to pick and choose what shows we want to watch, when we want to watch them. Preferably commercial-free. (I pay don't even mind paying for commercial-free content, I already pay Hulu the extra $4/mo.)

      The idea of 'channels', 'stations', 'broadcasters', and someone else picking out the programming we might be interested in going the way of the floppy drive. Telling someone like me you're offering 100 channels is nonsense and useless information. I'm more interested in what programming/content there will be to choose from, and if I can't choose, not going to subscribe, end of story.

      Bad business choice on AT&T's part. Will never make money. Will definitely not lure 'cable cutters.' We're a whole new breed of content consumer, unlike the cable-television junkie of old.

      I'm a cable cutter. Playstation Vue subscriber. And depending on the particulars (locals, cloud DVR, specific channels in the 100 package, etc), I might even switch. In my market, Vue has locals (CBS, FOX, NBC + On Demand only ABC). They have all the local sports regionals, plus all the major cable sports (BeIn, NBCSN, FS1, FS2, all the ESPNs, SEC, etc). That alone is easily worth half the $45 I pay. Cable News, plus eight other cable channels I watch at least one show on easily pays for the other half. My kids watch Nick, Disney, etc on top of that. My wife watches TLC and others on top of THAT. There is no scenario I see where it'd be cheaper to ala carte things, go see how much CBS All Access charges to figure it out...

    6. Re:Doomed to fail by sglewis100 · · Score: 1

      This sounds a lot like Comcast's XFinity, where you sign in to a website to watch cable TV. Good job guys, you've finally done what Comcast did 3 years ago... And you managed to limit it to only your channels. Now I can get less than 1/5th of the total channels for 1/3 of the price. What a bargain.

      Yup. Their channels. Plus tons of others from other companies. Also the merger was just announced, and not approved yet. They don't really own those channels yet.

    7. Re:Doomed to fail by eWarz · · Score: 1

      1/3rd of the price? Even in my market (which competes with AT&T Uverse, DirectTV, Dish, and Google Fiber) that's a stretch at best if you even bothered to review channel/network listings.

  13. Re:R U IN INDIA?! R U NETFLIX SUBSCRIBER IN INDIA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    INFERENCE: nobody cares

  14. Will it have local sports channels? by sjonke · · Score: 1

    Particularly in my case, I want a service that will offer MASN and MASN2. Without those I can't see 90% of Orioles games. I was hoping Playstation Vue was going to have them because they said they'd have local sports channels, but they don't have those two key channels so it's a bust. I keep hoping there going to add them, but so far no dice.

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  15. Any bets on real cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But don't bet on actually paying $35/month. There is going to be all of AT&T's Fees and Charges and "taxes" (and probably some real tax too). I'm betting $50+ /month out the door.

  16. If you're not paying for the product ... by BenBoy · · Score: 1
    If you're not paying for the product, *you're* the product, so goes the common wisdom. However ...

    AT&T Is Spying on Americans For Profit, New Documents Reveal

    ... there's nothing to say that you can't pay *and* be the product. Your choice of viewing is just more grist for AT&T's info-mill

    As an aside, is it just barely possible that the TimeWarnerAT&T corporate name might be TWATT(tm)? Pleeeez?

  17. Re:no dvr capability.. limited channels.. no local by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would rather not have net neutrality and be given the option of buying from my provider "a la carte" channel packages which do NOT count against my data usage. You just want unlimited data for downloading warez.

    Just hope you never plan on using any content provider outside of your ISP's sphere of control, in that case. Cuz they will make competing services unusable on their networks without net neutrality. You do know that, right? Can't see that hole you're digging? Get the hell out of it then.

    Your tech support call would go something this:
    Me: I'm having trouble getting netflix to work.
    Them: Sorry sir, it must be a problem with netflix, we can't help you. We can however sell you a new subscription to our guaranteed to work streaming service that's not as good as netflix, but it'll stream very good for you, because we're throttling netflix into the dirt so everyone uses our services instead! You could try another internet provider, oh, sorry, we're the only one in this area cuz we bought all our competitors.

    Welcome to the world of no net neutrality.

  18. you can get hbo on it's own now. by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    you can get hbo on it's own now.

  19. Trust Bust Them! by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    It's the only solution, in the song of Fire and Ice!

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  20. SOunds weak by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they are highlighting A&E and scripps it sounds like a line-up I couldn't care less about. I had to lookup Scripps to find it's Food Network+travel channel :(

    Fox is a rather broad brand. All of Fox like FoxSports or just the free channel? NBC=same?

  21. Re:no dvr capability.. limited channels.. no local by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    So you would rather have less functionality for everyone because you want your precious "net neutrality" bullshit.

    Corrupt anti-competitive behavior is "more" functionality on what planet?

    You just want unlimited data for downloading warez.

    You use salt & pepper while licking those corporate boots, or do you take them black?

  22. Reasons given by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reasons given for lower-cost are things they charge for and make a lot of money from; such as the modem that they charge $7-$10/mo for, the DVR box that they charge $7-$20 for....and so on...

  23. Lower cost? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    They need to lower their pricing again, $35 ain't low enough for the so-called quality of popular entertainment these days.

    1. Re:Lower cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They didn't say that is what you would pay. They said it was what it will cost. What you pay will be much much more. Bwa. BWAH HA HA HA!

  24. Re:no dvr capability.. limited channels.. no local by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > You just want unlimited data for downloading warez.

    God, you're dumb.

  25. Over 100 channels by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

    Over 100 channels of reruns, infomercials, and old Simpsons and South Park episodes! Over 100 channels of rehashed drivel and propaganda masquerading as news! A hundred channels of stupid people slapping each-other and cursing! A hundred channels of the same AP story described with the same talking points in the exact same phrasing by people hired by one of three media conglomerates! One. Hundred. Channels. If no one would buy it they would give it away for free. You are the product.

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  26. Re:no dvr capability.. limited channels.. no local by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

    I would rather not have net neutrality and be given the option of buying from my provider "a la carte" channel packages which do NOT count against my data usage. You just want unlimited data for downloading warez.

    Just hope you never plan on using any content provider outside of your ISP's sphere of control, in that case. Cuz they will make competing services unusable on their networks without net neutrality. You do know that, right? Can't see that hole you're digging? Get the hell out of it then.

    Your tech support call would go something this: Me: I'm having trouble getting netflix to work. Them: Sorry sir, it must be a problem with netflix, we can't help you. We can however sell you a new subscription to our guaranteed to work streaming service that's not as good as netflix, but it'll stream very good for you, because we're throttling netflix into the dirt so everyone uses our services instead! You could try another internet provider, oh, sorry, we're the only one in this area cuz we bought all our competitors.

    Welcome to the world of no net neutrality.

    That is what data caps are for. Or, you can pay an extra fee for unlimited data like I did. I pay 15 bucks extra for unlimited data at 25 (26) Mbits/s. That is fast enough for UHD Netflix.

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  27. Re:no dvr capability.. limited channels.. no local by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

    So you would rather have less functionality for everyone because you want your precious "net neutrality" bullshit.

    Corrupt anti-competitive behavior is "more" functionality on what planet?

    You just want unlimited data for downloading warez.

    You use salt & pepper while licking those corporate boots, or do you take them black?

    If you want unlimited data then you should pay extra for it. Is that not fair?

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  28. Re:no dvr capability.. limited channels.. no local by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

    > You just want unlimited data for downloading warez.

    God, you're dumb.

    Right, sorry, I mean torrents of movies and TV shows.

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  29. So I get all the bundled bullshit I ran away from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear Cable Companies,

    More is not better.

    Yours,
    A former customer.

  30. Re:no dvr capability.. limited channels.. no local by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    more likely streaming those movies and TV shows.

  31. SlingTV by dfsmith · · Score: 1

    Last time I used SlingTV on Dish, every "skip" button press took about 3 seconds to process. Each commercial break is about 10 "skips" (6 to 8 forward-30-seconds and 2 to 4 backward-10-seconds). On the local Dish DVR, each skip takes about a quarter second to process. (And slower skips make me less likely to go back to see a commercial I'm interested in!)

    1. Re:SlingTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow! A apples -to- oranges comparison on slashdot ... I'm so shocked.

      Lets compare a brand new startup service that hasn't scaled yet + to many subscribers to a 20 year old bullshit product completely designed to lock you down and shut you up. A real high horizon thinker in our midst.

  32. Re:no dvr capability.. limited channels.. no local by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Locals are a meaningless old school, high dollar bundle option.

    Any $30 OVA antenna will pick them up plus CW/FOX/etc. And to top it off any cheap DVR can record them, Tivo's or Channel Master's OTR comes to mind.

  33. Re:no dvr capability.. limited channels.. no local by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're fucking retarded. Please die before you reproduce.

  34. Not cheap enough by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    I subscribe to Sling TV to get ESPN (only during football season). That's $20 per month, and comes with about 25 channels that I never watch. If DirecTV came down to $20 a month, I might consider switching!

  35. Re:no dvr capability.. limited channels.. no local by jezwel · · Score: 1

    That is what data caps are for. Or, you can pay an extra fee for unlimited data like I did. I pay 15 bucks extra for unlimited data at 25 (26) Mbits/s. That is fast enough for UHD Netflix.

    You can't vote with your wallet if there is no other provider in your area.
    If your ISP can degrade competing services to theirs without compunction they will do so - either they get your additional streaming service subscription dollars or you go without high-speed internet.

    IMO content and service providers should be separated as completely as possible.

  36. Re:no dvr capability.. limited channels.. no local by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1

    That is what data caps are for. Or, you can pay an extra fee for unlimited data like I did. I pay 15 bucks extra for unlimited data at 25 (26) Mbits/s. That is fast enough for UHD Netflix.

    It's people like you that really frighten me, cuz you have no idea how clueless you are. You just don't see the long view on net neutrality and its dangerous dude.

    Right now it's just big guys testing the waters, offering 'free rides' on select services.

    Later, they'll take away unlimited data, period. They'll promote their own services more heavily.

    Later they'll start charging you for data on outside networks, outright. While continuing to promote their own services, which may or may not continue to be 'unlimited.'

    And the show just gets worse. It's not a pretty road and I don't particularly want to see where to leads.

  37. What'a a TV channel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And why would I need 100 of them?

  38. Too little - by unixcorn · · Score: 1

    Too late for me. I am saying goodbye to AT&T's price gouging cell service. I have already booted directTV as well. I am tired of paying top dollar for shit.

  39. Re:no dvr capability.. limited channels.. no local by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No it isn't fair. Internet is not like water etc. I'm paying for what is important: speed (technically, bandwidth). Data isn't a finite resource. Why should I pay extra on top of that? They double-charge you by selling a service then punishing you if you actually use it whereas water I pay for what I use. They should do one or the other, both is just a blatant cash grab.

    And also, moron, some caps are low and some people are gamers. Games can be huge downloads, not to mention patches. Hell, even Youtube/Netflix can chew up a data cap.

    Net neutrality and regulation of ISPs would be a GODSEND. They're raping our wallets and not upgrading infrastructure until a competitor is able to get in. My 100mb line tripled to 300mb for free... a few days after FiOS got closer to my apartment complex. But, if you want to continue bending over to your ISP feel free. Some of us have actual sense.

  40. Re:no dvr capability.. limited channels.. no local by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    If you want unlimited data then you should pay extra for it. Is that not fair?

    Already am. I'm also paying for Netflix. I don't want my cable company f****** with Netflix packets until Netflix pays them a blackmail fee, which they naturally have to pass on to me, despite my paying the cable company a pretty penny to be my isp. This is net neutrality 101....any more dumb questions?