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Payback? Russia Gets Hacked, Revealing Putin Aide's Secrets (nbcnews.com)
Ukrainian activists have compromised 2,337 messages in the Microsoft Outlook accounts of two assistants to a top aide of Vladimir Putin. An anonymous Slashdot reader quotes NBC News:
A Ukrainian group calling itself Cyber Hunta has released more than a gigabyte of emails and other material from the office of one of Vladimir Putin's top aides, Vladislav Surkov, that show Russia's fingerprints all over the separatist movement in Ukraine. While the Kremlin has denied the relationship between Moscow and the separatists, the emails show in great detail how Russia controlled virtually every detail of the separatist effort in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine, which has torn the country apart and led to a Russian takeover of Crimea...
"This is a serious hack," said Maks Czuperski, head of the Digital Forensic Research Lab of the Atlantic Council, which has searched through the email dump and placed selected emails online. "We have seen so much happen to the United States, other countries at the hands of Russia," said Czuperski. "Not so much to Russia. It was only a question of time that some of the anonymous guys like Cyber Hunta would come to strike them back."
A senior U.S. intelligence official told NBC News that the U.S. "had no role" in the breach -- but when asked if the material was authentic, replied there was "nothing to indicate otherwise."
"This is a serious hack," said Maks Czuperski, head of the Digital Forensic Research Lab of the Atlantic Council, which has searched through the email dump and placed selected emails online. "We have seen so much happen to the United States, other countries at the hands of Russia," said Czuperski. "Not so much to Russia. It was only a question of time that some of the anonymous guys like Cyber Hunta would come to strike them back."
A senior U.S. intelligence official told NBC News that the U.S. "had no role" in the breach -- but when asked if the material was authentic, replied there was "nothing to indicate otherwise."
Breaking news!
Reports state that Vladislav Surkov has been seen en route to Siberia.
Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
I approve of governments hacking each other and sharing each other's dirty little secrets with the public. Adversarial systems work well in the service of justice and honesty.
I hope someone hacks Merkel's and May's E-mails too and publishes them. Unfortunately, the Germans are likely too careful to let that happen.
Except I am not seeing wikileaks as the distributor of the leaked info. Am I missing something. It seems to be an org called cyberJunta, which I never heard of.
Emails seem to be from 2014, so I would not say this is conclusive evidence one way or the other about Russia and WikiLeaks.
I would expect WikiLeaks to show up in Russian emails regardless of their involvement. If I was Putin, and not involved in the hacking, I would be delighted to receive credit for mucking up US politics. I can easily imagine Putin bragging or laughing it up with his cronies over email.
And CNN has one big hard on! Wolf is said to be walking around like Ron Burgundy.
> I know we heard various things on this, but I seriously doubt we can ever be certain about who shot down an aircraft over a region in civil war.
This has been pretty conclusively settled. Either your misinformed or have an axe to grind.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-...
emails show in great detail how Russia controlled virtually every detail of the separatist effort in the Russian-speaking regions of Ukraine,
yes, because youll need the assistance of the country to which your people wish to defect in order to achieve anything. its unfortunate that the country split like this, but NATO isnt entirely faultless in this. by encouraging aggressive expansion contrary to post world war 2 agreement it gave a lot of crimeans good cause to be afraid.
which has torn the country apart and led to a Russian takeover of Crimea...
and done an excellent job to prevent western powers from expanding NATO into an oil producing country rich in natural resources. the difference is a hacking group in the Ukrane exposed what everyone knew to be true: logistics, supplies, tactical and political guidance was coming from the kremlin in order to secure a defecting minority province. this was the pretext similar to both the US wars in Iraq...liberation and the support of a minority anti-government group. In the case of the US hack, the american people were made to know that which they had no idea. American voters were shown that Bernie Sanders had absolutely no chance of a fair election, and that the political party loyal to clinton was doing everything from influencing coverage at sites like Facebook to outright spinning at major news outlets to cover up an email scandal that for any other american would have been a multiple life-term felony (chelsea manning for example)
Good people go to bed earlier.
You mean, other than than Girkin bragging about the shootdown on VKontakte? Or the photo of the BUK battery with one missile missing.
Ukraine banned commercial only from flying low (below 32000 ft) because there was no suspicion Russia would provide their troops with weaponry useful only against planes with no direct combat roles, as those troops were thinly disguised as "not active duty soldiers".
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
And there's the Russian troll. How's St. Petersburg? The weather getting chilly over there?
A commercial flight had flown over the exact same area several hours before without incident. Since the Russians hadn't had the Buk missile system in place at that time the flight flew on its way without incident.
Once the Buk system was in place Russian troops, with the help of their terrorist allies, shot down MH-17. They bragged about shooting down a "Ukrainian" plane, even posted videos of themselves celebrating the act. Their joyous phone calls and postings on social media were also recorded.
Only after they realized they had shot down a commercial airliner did they then frantically try to deny they're the ones who shot it down. They tried to remove their videos and postings but copies had already been made. When the plane fell to the ground the Russians and their terrorist allies then disturbed the crime scene by going through the passengers personal belongings, including taking people's credit cards and cash.
To further try and cover up their crime they refused access to the Dutch investigators for several days.
Unfortunately for the Russians, all the evidence pointed to them shooting the plane down, including pictures of the Buk system which came into Ukraine with all its tubes filled, then leaving immediately after the shoot down with at least one empty tube.
This video shows MH-17 falling to the ground after the shooting, being filmed by either a terrorist or Russian troop. Also, near the end of the video, at the 6:25 mark, a recording of a Russian newscaster reporting on the shoot down and stating the terrorists had shot the plane down. Since you speak Russian you will be able to understand her words and may even recognize her from your daily propaganda newscasts.
Of course you'll deny what she's saying but it doesn't matter. The world knows the truth. Russia is supporting the terrorists in Ukraine and Russia was involved with, if not responsible for, the shooting down a civilian airliner.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
What does Wikileaks have to do with the seizure of Crimea and occupation of Donbas?
"He's a god; it'll take more than one shot." â" Lady Eboshi, Mononoke Hime
... for using Outhouse. No wonder Mr Putin has asked that all Russian government systems be moved to open source as soon as possible.
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
Because they might be shot down, thereby incurring a rather heavy loss? (Apart from the 298 lives).
manu0601 is right. The only certain conclusion that can be drawn from the evidence that has been published so far is that it was the responsibility of the Ukrainian government to ensure the safety of all flights over its territory. Under the circumstances, it is surprising that MH17 was explicitly diverted form its normal flight path so as to route it directly over the area where the fighting was fiercest. No explanation has ever been offered for this - indeed, there could only be one explanation.
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
Yes, that's the guy who will be going to Siberia (if anyone). Or perhaps the IT planner. As I said before, Mr Putin has very wisely asked everyone in the Russian government to cut across to open source as soon as possible. When another nation's government is trying to destroy you by any and all means, it isn't smart to use software written in that country.
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
You have trouble believing that when both the Democratic and Republican candidates for president in the US have likewise been grossly irresponsible with email security?
"He's a god; it'll take more than one shot." â" Lady Eboshi, Mononoke Hime
Zero evidence has been presented that Russia is "guilty" of anything ... But American Exceptionalists seem eager....
I came across this the other day in a different context and found it interesting. I had never heard about "whataboutism" or "tu quoque" for the Latin lovers out there.
"Whataboutism"
Whataboutism is a term describing a propaganda technique used by the Soviet Union in its dealings with the Western world during the Cold War. When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union, the response would be "What about..." followed by the naming of an event in the Western world.[1][2] It represents a case of tu quoque or the appeal to hypocrisy,[3] a logical fallacy which attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position, without directly refuting or disproving the opponent's initial argument.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Anyone else read that as Putin's aids secret, or was it ju$ ,ou*(*
no carrier.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Disinformation by ambiguity only works when your military commanders don't brag about what they did on social media, when they are not identifiable by name and picture easily, when they don't chat about the shot down plane and the rocket launcher over wiretapped mobile phones, and when the launcher isn't filmed and photographed all the way from and to the launch site and all the way back to Russia.
They also moderate good-faith posters as being trolls or flamebait. I take it as a compliment.
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
There are many American trolls on /., you'll see them foaming at the mouth about Russia. That's basically the party line (or lack thereof) on foreign policy these days if you're an Obama or Clinton supporter. Issues like investigating Hillary Clinton's vast and deep corruption is a far more important issue than some propaganda-spewing acolyte crying "but...but...but...RUSSIA!"
We laugh at their weak attempts of distraction as opposed to those of a master in the craft such as Vladislav Surkov.
TFTFY.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
It's the same sort of argument as "look who's talking" or the "pot calling the kettle black". Yes, if you are debating a specific issue then a diversion into "whataboutism" is clearly a logical fallacy.
In the context of international relations however, I think it can be an entirely valid tactic. When the USA government criticizes Russia or some other nation for its policies, they are essentially scrutinizing those countries by some sort of "moral standard" to which a nation should conform. With Russia, it's "You're killing poor civilians in Aleppo!".
This is true, and a "whataboutism" doesn't change that fact. However, if the USA government is so concerned about civilians suffering in war, why did they invade Iraq? Why are they conducting drone strikes in seven different countries? Why are they providing weapons to the Saudi government to fight a war in Yemen that's causing massive human suffering?
Condemning Russia and the Syria government for their actions, and even going so far as to threaten them with the use of force is ridiculous in a context where the USA could alleviate much more human suffering by changing its own policies. The debate becomes "What gives the USA the right to establish and ENFORCE a moral standard which they are simultaneously violating?"
"You bombed a hospital in Aleppo! You're an evil nation committing war crimes!"
"What about the hospital you bombed in Kunduz?"
Is that a logical fallacy or a very pertinent fact when it comes to an international standard about the conduct of war?
It's all but certain it was a Buk missile system that brought the aircraft down, which lands this squarely in Russia's court. I don't even think Russia puts that much effort into denying it now.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
And what would that be? That Russian-backed separatists are such out of control goons that Russia handing them Buk missile systems was inevitably going to lead to casualties? There's little doubt of what brought the jet down, and little doubt as to who brought it down, so now we're left with putting the blame on Ukraine for incompetence, but not bringing up the fact that it was Russian-backed irregulars who destroyed a civilian aircraft?
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Of course not, because that would mean having to admit that Russia handed a bunch of separatist rebels an advanced surface to air missile and letting them bring down aircraft indiscriminately. Much better to declare the BBC is unreliable or has an ax to grind.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
What does Wikileaks have to do with the returning home of Crimea and liberation of Donbas?
FTFY.
This was 1 GB of emails. Actually, I believe it would be very difficult to fake that many emails, simply because the chances of detection are so high. For example, if just one email is found with a timestamp when Surkov is demonstrably not sending an email because 100 diplomats from different countries are sitting with him at a state dinner, it would throw the entire GB into question.
10 emails are easily faked but 1 GB is actually probably easier to hack than fake.
I give you credit. Most Kremlin-paid posters pretend to be Westerners. At least you make it very clear who you are.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
NATO's military and economic power dwarfs Russia. Russia is, these days, a regional power whose reach basically extends little past the Bosporus. Yes, it has some big nukes, but it can never actually use them because to do so would see the Russian state dissolve in a nuclear fire. So it has it points its nuclear penis around, trying to embolden its own citizens, even as Putin and his pals lead the country into a prolonged economic decline that can only end with Russia on its knees.
It's a pity. Russians are a great people, they deserve better than the likes of Putin.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Not a surprise.
Still a very one-sided way to look at it. Last I checked history, the seperatists didn't start the falling apart of the Ukraine, it was the right-wing extremist behind the Maiden movement, who escalated the protest into civil war and then took control of the government. There seem to be interesting ties to several western governments, but I'm not sure we will ever learn the truth.
That Russia supports the seperatists is basically the worst-kept not-quite-secret of the world.
Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
NATO's military and economic power dwarfs Russia. Russia is, these days, a regional power whose reach basically extends little past the Bosporus.
Additionally, Russia has a very different view of history compared to the interpretations common in North America. Not that either one is necessarily "wrong" or "right", but aspects of each are certainly different.
Take WW2 for example - most North Americans have little understanding how devistating that war was in the USSR. This video for example gives some graphics about per-country WW2 deaths that shows how the USSR's deaths dwarf everyone else's. I can see how this type of history can make a people feel pretty put upon.
http://www.fallen.io/ww2/
(It is a great example of data visualization as well as being informative.)
They comprehensively present the evidence for the missile type and launcher that destroyed the plane
Please note my point about the civil war area.
Even if we get confidence about what shot down MH17, that still does not tells us who operated it. You have a zone not fully controlled by anyone, filled with soldiers from both side, foreign fighters, US and Russian spies and war instructors. And all these people can seize and use weapons from each others.
I enjoy reading the comments on /. But over the last few months it spins off in the direction of red vs blue, regardless of subject. It resembles a monkey cage at feeding time.
Please note my point about the civil war area.
Even if we get confidence about what shot down MH17, that still does not tells us who operated it.
Apart from the operators bragging about it on social media you mean? And the cellular metadata putting them all in the right place at the right time, and wire tapped calls of their connections with Moscow? Apart from that we have no idea...
So what one does is hack the 1GB of emails and then fake 10 that lay out your opponents' plans for murdering puppies.
Not saying that's what happened here. So far I haven't seen any leaks/hacks that appear to have fakery in them, but now that we've got weaponized leaking I'm sure it's coming.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Apart from the operators bragging about it on social media you mean? And the cellular metadata putting them all in the right place at the right time, and wire tapped calls of their connections with Moscow?
You refer to John Kerry's statement from july 2014, right?
Apart from the operators bragging about it on social media you mean? And the cellular metadata putting them all in the right place at the right time, and wire tapped calls of their connections with Moscow?
You refer to John Kerry's statement from july 2014, right?
Couldn't remember the original source, but there is plenty on the Internets...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
http://www.news.com.au/travel/...
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/mh17-investigation-key-findings-revealed/news-story/1759d0844bd1ce07e12951f9c18b6399
This one is quite in line with what I was saying about the issues of discovering truth in a civil war zone: we are said the BUK system came from Russia, fired from a Kiev-controlled area and then went back to Russia. Does it makes sense for a sovereign state to claim it controls an area, when someone can bring a weapon from another country, shot down a plane and vanish afterwards?
And we still do not know why a commercial plane was flying above a war zone.
"The emails are accurate and we know that because the DKIM signatures validate."
You don't really know what DKIM is, do you?
Yes. Zero. What you call "evidence" is a hack investigation set out to prove a pre-determined outcome, backed up not by satellite or drone footage, but.....pictures posted on social media.
There's no lack of self-awareness like an American Exceptionalist accusing people of foolishly buying Russia propaganda. When you're sucking down supertanker-loads of third grade bullshit brought to you by the same people who said Saddam had ties to Al Queda and WMD's. People who questioned that propaganda were also accused of being Saddam lovers. SSDD.
Yes. Social media, not verified images from a drone, surveillance plane or satellite. Which the U.S. would have in spades, as much as it was wanting an excuse to boost troop levels in Eastern Europe to the highest levels they've been since WWII, and expand NATO to Ukraine after successfully overthrowing the elected government.
But we're all friends here, so I'd like to tell you about this great oceanfront property in Kansas that I'm selling to American Exceptionalists at a discount rate. It even comes with wifi, so you can spend your days online calling people naive for not believing every word that comes out of the military industrial complex.
Yes, evidence from social media. Not a drone, spy plane or satellite, which you know the U.S. had pointed at the area. If you felt some discomfort while regurgitating those talking points, it was probably a side affect of your bullshit detector being ruthlessly suppressed.
Go fuck yourself, little wannabe troll.
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/mh17-investigation-key-findings-revealed/news-story/1759d0844bd1ce07e12951f9c18b6399
This one is quite in line with what I was saying about the issues of discovering truth in a civil war zone: we are said the BUK system came from Russia, fired from a Kiev-controlled area and then went back to Russia. Does it makes sense for a sovereign state to claim it controls an area, when someone can bring a weapon from another country, shot down a plane and vanish afterwards?
And we still do not know why a commercial plane was flying above a war zone.
All those questions have been answered.