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Red Hat CEO: Linux Is Now The 'Default Choice' For The Cloud (bizjournals.com)

Speaking at the "All Things Open" conference, Red Hat CEO Jim Whitehurst remembered when Linux "was just a 'bunch of geeks' getting together figuring it all out on an 8286 chip" 25 years ago. An anonymous reader quotes BizJournals: "It went from being kind of a hacker movement to truly what I'll say [is] a viable alternative to traditional software," Whitehurst says, adding that Red Hat was a part of that push. Over the years, it came out from under the radar, being what Whitehurst calls "the default choice for a next-generation of infrastructure," particularly when it comes to cloud architectures... He points to Google, Microsoft and Facebook, all having open sourced their machine learning systems. "They recognize the company that builds the community around that piece of technology, that technology is going to win."

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  1. Anti-systemd posts coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    3.. 2.. 1..

    1. Re: Anti-systemd posts coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      systemd is no longer a problem for us. We've all moved to FreeBSD and no longer use Linux.

    2. Re: Anti-systemd posts coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here here, Go BSD.

      BSD is a better choice than Linux in most situations. The tradeoff more frequently is that Linux does not (by design) use hardware acceleration features, especially on network cards. So that is GOOD if you are running Linux as the client OS. But if you want to operate a bare-metal server, Linux is the worst choice because expensive hardware is treated the same as cheap hardware, so you get no benefit to having several-hundred dollar network, and hard drive controllers.

    3. Re: Anti-systemd posts coming by r1348 · · Score: 2

      All 5 of you?

    4. Re: Anti-systemd posts coming by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Linux us more secure due to app armor and SELinux. I wish this existed for FreeBSD

    5. Re: Anti-systemd posts coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh, Linux, the McDonalds of Unix operating systems. SystemD is the pink slime that makes it so irresistible.

    6. Re: Anti-systemd posts coming by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      (Prince's 1999) - I was dreaming of an updated system when I realized I was running BSD.... We were stupid and we knew it and dreamed of system-d..... All night we were thinking we should make the move....Let's party with System-D like it's 1999....

      Two thousand zero zero and we're all happy now....

    7. Re: Anti-systemd posts coming by himay · · Score: 1

      I wish this existed for FreeBSD

      HardenedBSD isn't that analogous?

  2. 8286 chip by Spazmania · · Score: 4, Informative

    First off, that's 80286. Missed a zero there.

    Second off, that's wrong. Linux needed an 80386sx as its minimum supported CPU.

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    1. Re:8286 chip by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      I agree - the 80286 was too weak for Linux - lacking some essential instructions.

      I think it was not until recently the kernel got upgraded to no longer support the 80386.

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    2. Re:8286 chip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it was more memory capabilities, but basically yea.

    3. Re:8286 chip by sootman · · Score: 2

      Came here to say this. FROM THE FIRST FREAKING SENTENCE OF ORIGINAL FREAKING ANNOUNCEMENT...

      Hello everybody out there using minix -
      I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones.

      And near the end...

      It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc)

      Things have changed since then, but 386 was a requirement since literally day one.

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    4. Re:8286 chip by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Sort of. It was more specifically the lack of a flat memory model, but that still has to more to do with instructions set than memory capability.

    5. Re:8286 chip by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I forgot about that bit. Didn't the lack of flat memory model played a role too?

    6. Re: 8286 chip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both the 286 and the 386 had a flat protected mode memory model. The 386 added a virtual 8086 memory access mode that made task switching more robust.

    7. Re: 8286 chip by mark-t · · Score: 1

      ???? Am I misremembering?? I thought that the '286 still only supported the segmented memory architecture used by previous incarnations of the x86 isa

    8. Re:8286 chip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 80286 had many multitasking features, but stupidly enough in order to return from ring0 kernel to regular mode, the chip had to hard reset.

    9. Re:8286 chip by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      "Acceptance [of 286 protected mode] was additionally hampered by the fact that the 286 only allowed memory access in 16 bit segments via each of four segment registers, meaning only 4*216 bytes, equivalent to 256 kilobytes, could be accessed at a time.[11] "

      So that's correct: no flat memory model in the 286. 386 protected mode switched the memory bus and segment size to 32 bits, allowing 4gigs to be accessed at once.

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    10. Re:8286 chip by Zeio · · Score: 1

      Thanks for catching this so quickly. I wanted to say exactly this. I believe torvalds originally called the kernel a 386 assembly task switcher. So I am surprised someone some redhat claimed Linux on the 286. Tech history is easy to forget but as someone who has been excited about our tech world because of the short collective memory and lack of history and perspective a lot of mistakes get repeated even by very smart folks.

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    11. Re: 8286 chip by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      It did more or less, but a segment on the '286 could be 16 megabytes instead of being limited to 64K.

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    12. Re: 8286 chip by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Replying to myself - I was misremembering things. It was a 16M total address space, but still with 64K segments.

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    13. Re:8286 chip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly! Linus specifically targeted the 386! Linux was created *because* Linus couldn't find a decent free 386 targetted *NIX alternative.

      The 286's most lamented challenge wasn't so much the lack of a flat memory model - it was the fact that you couldn't get it out of protected mode gracefully... By gracefully I mean without massive time penalties and kludges.

      The 286 segmented memory model was much more like the segmented memory model of Multics. Segmentation per-se isn't bad, but the 64K limit on segment size with the 286 was a drag. It means that you had to jump through hoops that slowed down code to access data structures larger than a segment or two.

      The actual supported virtual address space per task supported on the 286 was huge for the time ( 1 GB mapped into the 286's 16 MB physical address space ).

      Back when the 286 was introduced it was the first real competitor from Intel for the 68000. Even so, the 68000 on introduction captured many peoples attention for supporting a massive (for the time) linear address space of 16 MB. This was a huge upgrade compared to 64K which most people were coming from. The idea of linearly addressing megabytes of data was really nice.

      The 68000's wasn't without it's flaws either. The big one for the 68000 (fixed in the 68010) was that not all instructions were restartable... Resulting in interesting hacks of the time like running two 68000's in a machine, with one running a clock cycle behind. Then the front CPU detected a fault, you stop the slightly behind one and deal with it...

      Anyway...
      Good times

    14. Re:8286 chip by nyet · · Score: 1

      CEOs are paid handsomely to get things wrong pretty much all of the time whenever they open their fat stupid mouths.

      Idiots, all of them.

    15. Re:8286 chip by jelle · · Score: 1

      Specifically, the 80386 was the first 32-bit processor. The 80286 was a 16-bit processor, with a way to actually address up to 16MByte of memory, which went into the IBM PC AT.

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    16. Re: 8286 chip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never actually programmed an 80286 in its native protected mode (started with the 386), but it looks like it might've had variable sized segments, similar to the 386. It definitely lacked the paging mechanisms of the 386. That being said, 32-bit x86 is all still segmented, but most OSes only provide set-size segment descriptors. Before the no-execute bit was a thing, several Linux patches emulated similar functionality with segmentation magic.

    17. Re:8286 chip by Reaperducer · · Score: 1

      If /. didn't outsource so much of its editing to Thirdworldistan, the 80286 mis-transcription would have been caught.

      It's one of the reasons I've gone from visiting several times a day to maybe every other week.

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    18. Re: 8286 chip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, but the tech press and the CEOs who bloviate at them can't say the real reason Linux works: no licensing fees, no required support fees, no salespeople at your door, no forced upgrades, no product activation with stupid Indian call centers, etc.

    19. Re:8286 chip by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      In fairness, the slashdot submitter was exactly quoting Lauren Ohnesorge of the Triangle Business Journal who listened to a speech where the speaker said, "eighty two eighty-six" and thought he said "eighty-two eighty-six." Could have stood the addition of a "[sic]" if the editors were sharper.

      Why Red Hat's Jim Whitehurst thought Linux ever ran on an 80286 is more a mystery.

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    20. Re:8286 chip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the onerous tasks that an Editor has to deal with is... Editing. You know, catching spelling and grammatical errors, fact-checking, cutting out cruft, those sorts of things. Editors even have permission to use one specific tool that, in other hands, might be considered rude. Here is an example of its use:
      "...Red Hat CEO Jim Whitehurst remembered when Linux "was just a 'bunch of geeks' getting together figuring it all out on an 8286 (sic) chip" 25 years ago."

      A Good Editor would take it further thus:
      "... figuring it all out on an 8286 (80286- Ed.) chip..."

      A Great Editor would actually correct the quote:
      "... figuring it all out on an 8286 (Whitehurst/Ohnesorge meant 80286, but they are wrong- Ed.) chip..."

      "...If /. didn't outsource so much of its editing to Thirdworldistan..."
      That would be manishs/msmash: Manish Singh, in India. "EditorDavid" prefers to remain anonymous...

    21. Re:8286 chip by bored · · Score: 1

      The 286 didn't have paging...

    22. Re:8286 chip by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      A good editor would have added [sic] to alert readers of the problem. A great editor would have dropped the quote and rearranged other text around it.

      Only an incompetent editor would have corrected the quote. It's not the editor's job to put words in someone else's mouth or to try to guess what the other person really meant.

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  3. But will the real question ever be answered? by smooth+wombat · · Score: 0

    Will this be the year of Linux on the desktop?

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    1. Re:But will the real question ever be answered? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm already running Linux on my desktop, have been for 15 years.

    2. Re:But will the real question ever be answered? by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      I think we pretty much got that with Android Tablets(*). Android (while creating some new issues) did solve a lot that plagued Linux Desktop. Take a flavor of Android, from different manufacturers, across a wide range of versions, download an APK and it works. Play Store providing a better environment to do that.

      No end user is expected to have to type in "Sudo apt-get make and make-install" and manually solve dependency issues.

      No end user is expected to solve driver issues.

      For the majority of tasks people do at home, Android tablets can replace their desktop. Of course they have yet to replace Desktop / Laptops for serious high power work.

      I liken to to back in the 80's when there were home computers: Apple II, C64, etc that were simple easy to use machines that would do what most users at home needed, then there were higher power Personal Computers, Mini-computers, workstations, etc for serious work.

      *Of course the neckbeards will say when they mean "Linux Desktop" they don't just mean an Open Source OS running Linux kernel like Android, but GNU/Linux with X-Window and crappy window managers.

  4. Oh please by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Company head says my company is the leader in current buzzword-hype-technology.

    Is there really nothing going on right now that we use that as "news"?

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    1. Re:Oh please by bmo · · Score: 1

      "Company head says my company is the leader in current buzzword-hype-technology."

      indeed.

      If RH is so great for "the cloud" why does Google use a modified version of Ubuntu in-house on their servers?

      RH management seems to be getting more psychopathic over the years.

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    2. Re:Oh please by behrooz0az · · Score: 1

      They have a lot of servers and it's more cost effective to come up with their own solution for management, monitoring, maintanance, etc?
      You can't exactly wait for a kernel patch or a fix for a breaking change if you're working with over a million servers.
      Also to get bang for your buck You need your programs with a lot of patches to make them fit for your specific requirements and stripped of any code that goes unused or is deemed a security risk which means a whole lot of packages that are compiled in-house. hell even individual packages that are forked are posing problems for them (see https://boringssl.googlesource...)
      All of this means you have to use your own package repositories which means even if they use redhat as a base it's not redhat anymore.
      Did I mention ridiculous pricing?

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    3. Re:Oh please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If RH is so great for "the cloud" why does Google use a modified version of Ubuntu in-house on their servers?

      RH's CEO says that Linux is the "default choice" for "The Cloud". Google uses Linux for their servers. It seems that you don't realise it, but you are agreeing with Red Hat's CEO.

    4. Re:Oh please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this the one who complained that when he told gparted to wipe his harddrive that gparted wiped the harddrive he told it too. Then said 'what were the programmers thing!" See people do get to the top by being promoted out of every department that actually knows how to do something.

    5. Re:Oh please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the stupid bastard as 99% of CEO's don't even know you need a 80386 chip to get linux running. They are all for buzzwords and exploting someone's else work and 0% brain

    6. Re:Oh please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Company head says my company is the leader in current buzzword-hype-technology.

      Is there really nothing going on right now that we use that as "news"?

      And misquotes the CPU name, which couldn't even run Linux anyway...classic clueless CEO speak

  5. Only when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...we get Bill Gates' MS-Linux. That will be the day I switch to Linux. As long as MS is not in the Linux OS game, neither will I be.

    1. Re: Only when... by AstroSurf · · Score: 1

      Hey! Ubuntu has made its way into Windows. Get on board! ðY

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    2. Re:Only when... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      Please just feel free to stick with Windows, then.

      Seriously--choice being a thing and all...

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    3. Re: Only when... by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu on Windows is not Windows running Linux by any stretch of the imagination. It's Windows running a Linux app.

      It's not Linux people. It's just not.

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    4. Re: Only when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are such a good little peon. I'm so proud of you.

    5. Re:Only when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We had one. It was called Xenix... and SCO bought it.

    6. Re: Only when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Windows running a Linux app.

      And for most people that's a good solution. You don't have to deal with poor application support, poor driver support and poor power management solutions.

      Seriously Windows and OSX work fine on my MacBook but I haven't been able to find a decent Linux distro that plays nice with the trackpad, HiDPI screen, wifi (though some seemed to do fine with wifi, while others didn't) and power management out of the box. That's the issue with "Linux", it's useless to just run a kernel and the fact that the experience differs so much across the 100s of different distributions is exactly the problem. The bits that Windows and OSX get right are the bits that matter to users, hence the tiny marketshare of Linux on the desktop. Then you got Google who went and got those same bits right for Linux on mobile. But the FOSS community is still flinging hundreds of distros at the wall and re-inventing the wheel in the hopes of accidentally stumbling upon something compelling.

    7. Re: Only when... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      You don't have to deal with poor application support

      I thought we were talking about Windows...

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    8. Re: Only when... by AstroSurf · · Score: 1

      > Ubuntu on Windows is not Windows running Linux by any stretch of the imagination. It's Windows running a Linux app.

      Read his post again. I think that's what he's really looking for. "I can do Linux and do it still running Windows!" ;)

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    9. Re: Only when... by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      "I can do Linux apps and do it still running Windows!"

      FTFY but yea, pretty sure the problem with this conversation is me. :)

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  6. Red Hat CEO: "Open is the default choice" by SolemnLord · · Score: 2, Funny

    Slashdot headline: "Linux is the default choice".

    There's... sort of a significant gap between the two.

    1. Re:Red Hat CEO: "Open is the default choice" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I haven't seen a gap that big since goatse.

    2. Re:Red Hat CEO: "Open is the default choice" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is Uranus bigger than Jupiter?

    3. Re:Red Hat CEO: "Open is the default choice" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Theirs is...

  7. Re:That's only because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ah yes... the typical win fan boy response... the OS doesn't have a brain dead gui in front of it so it must be too hard. maybe some day you'll grow up into those big boy pants you wear (ok, that's just an assumption on my part, maybe you won't).

  8. Re: That's only because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bill? Is that you?

  9. Of course it is. by DarkVader · · Score: 0

    Of course it is. Because only a complete moron would use Windoze on a server, and unfortunately Apple got out of the server game.

    So Linux isn't just the default choice, it's the only choice.

    1. Re:Of course it is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are other choices.

    2. Re: Of course it is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think BSD would like a word with you.

    3. Re:Of course it is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to agree with you, but I worked with an IT person who boasted about how easy the DNS server was to administer once they switched it to Windows. Maybe they lacked proper tooling on Linux, though I'm not sure what tooling is available.

  10. My cloud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is a safe full of Blu-Ray backups, under my full control and not connected to the internet in any way.

  11. Linux, yes - but not RedHat Linux. by Xargle · · Score: 1

    I mean they offer cloud installs of RHEL, but few will be clicking that button.

    1. Re:Linux, yes - but not RedHat Linux. by khz6955 · · Score: 1

      "I mean they offer cloud installs of RHEL, but few will be clicking that button.

      2016 Red Hat Innovation Awards winners

    2. Re:Linux, yes - but not RedHat Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I mean they offer cloud installs of RHEL, but few will be clicking that button.

      2016 Red Hat Innovation Awards winners

      I have been exploring, testing and thinking of fully transitioning to openSUSE. SUSE should not be overlooked. If by chance they are number two, then realize, that number two always tries harder, and responds more quickly when a response/action is required. They were first with the UEFI solution, for example.

  12. Cloud works ok, but PCS with UEFI bios are behind by nickwinlund77 · · Score: 1

    Secure boot and shoddy BIOS make Linux on a lot of PC's hard to utilize. If you can access the cloud someway however then it's ok.

  13. Step #1 completed. Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now on to the next step:

    Step #2: Keep Microsoft from annexing Linux. Microsoft has, in my estimation, already started trying to create some inroads towards 'owning' Linux. Some of you will say that the open-source license of Linux will prevent that, but in case you haven't been paying attention, Microsoft, and in particular that son of a bitch Nadella, doens't care much for playing by the rules, using any dirty underhanded trick he can to own as many computerized devices they can. So the Linux community is going to have to be very careful to not allow Microsoft to get it's hooks into Linux and subvert it into just another tool for them to use to take over.

    Step #3: Expand the promotion of Linux as a primary operating system. Unless some other corporation that is not Microsoft comes along with a commerical offering that is a direct competitor to Windows, Linux is going to be the only other choice in the market to keep Windows and Microsoft from making every computer in the Free World part of their gods-be-damned bot-net and into one gigantic surveillance platform to spy on people 24/7/365 in their own homes. The Linux community must expand it's efforts to produce distributions of Linux that can attract end-users away from Windows, especially in corporate and government settings, and an aggresive marketing campaign to promote them in these settings is of the utmost importance. The fact that it is now firmly and indellibly embedded in the infrastructure of the Internet is proof that a solid beach-head has been established, which can be used as a 'base of operations' for the continued invasion of Linux into Windows-held territory.

    Yes, I'm using military-like terminology here, because make no mistake about this: This is a WAR being fought, and the stakes are the freedom of choice for all levels of end-users of general computing devices across the entire Free World. The U.S. government may not be able to stop Microsoft from holding a monopoly until it's already an established fact, and for that matter the government may be helpless if Microsoft products are what are running their IT infrastructure. The Linux community-at-large, and (sadly) Apple may be the last bastions of computing freedom, and as we've seen recently, Microsoft is already making probing attacks against Apple and their OS -- therefore Linux may be the Last Hope.

    No, I'm not kidding with any of this, I'm dead serious. This is WAR, make no mistake about it, so, Linux community, I suggest you likewise take it seriously.

    1. Re:Step #1 completed. Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hilarious.

      Love, the BSD community.

    2. Re:Step #1 completed. Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a WAR being fought, and the stakes are the freedom of choice for all levels of end-users

      If you care so much about freedom, why are users not able to obtain a non-systtemd Linux across a wide variety of distros like RH, Ubuntu etc.? Linux seems as tyrannical as its capitalist competitors.

    3. Re:Step #1 completed. Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bickering over small things

      Go right ahead and keep on with the pointless infighting, and be sure to enjoy your future of not being able to use a computer that isn't property of Microsoft Corporation for all intents and purposes, you stupid inbred fuckstain.

  14. Re:That's only because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are like the windows guys I work with, you are only two steps above a monkey banging on a keyboard. I am surprised they ever get that crap OS to run. Watching them type with two fingers is painful.

    But what do I know, maybe they want fire that can be fitted nasally.

  15. I bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...your fun at partys

  16. Well by DaMattster · · Score: 0

    I used to like both Linux and BSD very much. Then systemd hits Linux and now I only use OpenBSD. Besides, Linux has become something of kludge.and it is less secure now than it was.

    1. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you've got the hardware, check out Gentoo. We default to OpenRC and have profiles specifically for security-minded people.

  17. Red Hat Certified Systemd Administrator by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 1

    I got my cert! Basically needed it to prove that I can work with systemd

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  18. I wouldn't really consider anything else. by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

    What were they expecting Windows? I don't know enough to comment on BSD but other than that, what are the other options? I would generally consider anything but linux in a cloud environment to be some terrible terrible marketing experiment in progress where some OS company bribed a bunch of users to use the stupid solution they were offering. Then expect to see those companies either fail because of their stupid choice, or switch and talk about how stupid their choice had been.

  19. I bet... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    You've never known the touch of a woman other than your mother...

    ...that one time when she forgot the rubber gloves.

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  20. If I want.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....any more SHIT from you, I'll SQUEEZE it out of your dumb fucking head.

    1. Re:If I want.... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1
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  21. If you had... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...one more brain cell, it would be lonely.

    1. Re:If you had... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you're obviously just a butthurt teenager. Grow up and/or fuck off.

  22. Linux maybe, but not RedHat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RH has gone full Microsoft. Their once vaunted RHCE is now nothing more than a "how to use the RHEL control panel to ask systemd to change your hostname". No more "the Unix way", now, it's all "The RedHat Way".

    Want to install an app in a user's home dir, and run that app as that user? Be prepared for a dozen systemd and SELinux fail knobs (that is, until you disable SELinux). Want to download, compile and run something out of /opt/whatever because that''s how you want to do it? Yeah, sorry, more knobs.

    Disclosure: I was an RHCE until RHEL7 came out, and I won't be renewing.

    1. Re:Linux maybe, but not RedHat by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      You don't use it at all, do you? If you did you wouldn't be making such stupid statements.

      I maintain around 2000 Linux machines with thousands of users. None of them are having any of the problems your talking about. Some of them are even normally *Gasp* Windows users. Even they can use something like even - SAS without a problem.

      As for RHCE, whenever I hire one, they're always top notch. I never have to show them system stuff. Just how to use our ticketing system and they're off. Even if I ask them to fix a Solaris box.

  23. This only makes sense by bravecanadian · · Score: 1

    If you are going to expand and contract instances based on demand you aren't going to spring for a bunch of proprietary server licensing.

    Rather than have to predict your maximum load ahead of time or have licenses sitting on the shelf you just run Linux and don't worry about it at all.

  24. Re:That's only because... by armanox · · Score: 1

    What do you mean? Unless you thought that it was so much easier to administer AIX, HP-UX, IRIX, Sco, and Solaris (depending on your viewpoint). Or maybe you thought that AS/400 was easier to use?

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  25. Re:That's only because... by bored · · Score: 1

    The AS/400 has a complete menu based system administration mode. Its actually quite easy to figure many things out without really having to know any programming/scripting languages. Similarly with AIX (smitty) and HP-UX (sam/smh). Both of which are conceptually comparable to what a window's control panel/administrator menu is capable of. Particularly now that MS has stopped putting any effort into assuring that the GUI can actually configure everything in the machine.

    I'm not sure about IRIX, but sco, solaris and linux lag behind in this category. In the case of linux its heavily dependent on which distro you use, with suse's yast probably being the most complete, and approaching the level of what was available in hpux/aix, but still only covering a limited subset of the total configuration options (although it manages to nail all the most important options, allowing you to configure a basic SMB/apache/whatever server without having to drop to the command line).

  26. Would not be too surprised. by prowler1 · · Score: 1

    Regardless of what I hope are typos in the summary, I recently attended a 'cloud debate'. Of course, one of the groups there was for Azure of Microsoft fame and they had I believe the Open Source director as one of the two representing Azure.

    One of the things that stuck out during the debate was that he openly admit that initially, Windows instances easily made up over 70% of all instances launched in Azure BUT in the last 2 odd years, this number has flipped and Linux now represents 70% of the new instances being brought up in Azure.