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Red Hat CEO: Linux Is Now The 'Default Choice' For The Cloud (bizjournals.com)

Speaking at the "All Things Open" conference, Red Hat CEO Jim Whitehurst remembered when Linux "was just a 'bunch of geeks' getting together figuring it all out on an 8286 chip" 25 years ago. An anonymous reader quotes BizJournals: "It went from being kind of a hacker movement to truly what I'll say [is] a viable alternative to traditional software," Whitehurst says, adding that Red Hat was a part of that push. Over the years, it came out from under the radar, being what Whitehurst calls "the default choice for a next-generation of infrastructure," particularly when it comes to cloud architectures... He points to Google, Microsoft and Facebook, all having open sourced their machine learning systems. "They recognize the company that builds the community around that piece of technology, that technology is going to win."

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  1. 8286 chip by Spazmania · · Score: 4, Informative

    First off, that's 80286. Missed a zero there.

    Second off, that's wrong. Linux needed an 80386sx as its minimum supported CPU.

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    1. Re:8286 chip by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      I agree - the 80286 was too weak for Linux - lacking some essential instructions.

      I think it was not until recently the kernel got upgraded to no longer support the 80386.

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    2. Re:8286 chip by sootman · · Score: 2

      Came here to say this. FROM THE FIRST FREAKING SENTENCE OF ORIGINAL FREAKING ANNOUNCEMENT...

      Hello everybody out there using minix -
      I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones.

      And near the end...

      It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc)

      Things have changed since then, but 386 was a requirement since literally day one.

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    3. Re:8286 chip by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Sort of. It was more specifically the lack of a flat memory model, but that still has to more to do with instructions set than memory capability.

    4. Re:8286 chip by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I forgot about that bit. Didn't the lack of flat memory model played a role too?

    5. Re: 8286 chip by mark-t · · Score: 1

      ???? Am I misremembering?? I thought that the '286 still only supported the segmented memory architecture used by previous incarnations of the x86 isa

    6. Re:8286 chip by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      "Acceptance [of 286 protected mode] was additionally hampered by the fact that the 286 only allowed memory access in 16 bit segments via each of four segment registers, meaning only 4*216 bytes, equivalent to 256 kilobytes, could be accessed at a time.[11] "

      So that's correct: no flat memory model in the 286. 386 protected mode switched the memory bus and segment size to 32 bits, allowing 4gigs to be accessed at once.

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    7. Re:8286 chip by Zeio · · Score: 1

      Thanks for catching this so quickly. I wanted to say exactly this. I believe torvalds originally called the kernel a 386 assembly task switcher. So I am surprised someone some redhat claimed Linux on the 286. Tech history is easy to forget but as someone who has been excited about our tech world because of the short collective memory and lack of history and perspective a lot of mistakes get repeated even by very smart folks.

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    8. Re: 8286 chip by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      It did more or less, but a segment on the '286 could be 16 megabytes instead of being limited to 64K.

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    9. Re: 8286 chip by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Replying to myself - I was misremembering things. It was a 16M total address space, but still with 64K segments.

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    10. Re:8286 chip by nyet · · Score: 1

      CEOs are paid handsomely to get things wrong pretty much all of the time whenever they open their fat stupid mouths.

      Idiots, all of them.

    11. Re:8286 chip by jelle · · Score: 1

      Specifically, the 80386 was the first 32-bit processor. The 80286 was a 16-bit processor, with a way to actually address up to 16MByte of memory, which went into the IBM PC AT.

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    12. Re:8286 chip by Reaperducer · · Score: 1

      If /. didn't outsource so much of its editing to Thirdworldistan, the 80286 mis-transcription would have been caught.

      It's one of the reasons I've gone from visiting several times a day to maybe every other week.

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    13. Re:8286 chip by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      In fairness, the slashdot submitter was exactly quoting Lauren Ohnesorge of the Triangle Business Journal who listened to a speech where the speaker said, "eighty two eighty-six" and thought he said "eighty-two eighty-six." Could have stood the addition of a "[sic]" if the editors were sharper.

      Why Red Hat's Jim Whitehurst thought Linux ever ran on an 80286 is more a mystery.

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    14. Re:8286 chip by bored · · Score: 1

      The 286 didn't have paging...

    15. Re:8286 chip by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      A good editor would have added [sic] to alert readers of the problem. A great editor would have dropped the quote and rearranged other text around it.

      Only an incompetent editor would have corrected the quote. It's not the editor's job to put words in someone else's mouth or to try to guess what the other person really meant.

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  2. Oh please by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Company head says my company is the leader in current buzzword-hype-technology.

    Is there really nothing going on right now that we use that as "news"?

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    1. Re:Oh please by bmo · · Score: 1

      "Company head says my company is the leader in current buzzword-hype-technology."

      indeed.

      If RH is so great for "the cloud" why does Google use a modified version of Ubuntu in-house on their servers?

      RH management seems to be getting more psychopathic over the years.

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    2. Re:Oh please by behrooz0az · · Score: 1

      They have a lot of servers and it's more cost effective to come up with their own solution for management, monitoring, maintanance, etc?
      You can't exactly wait for a kernel patch or a fix for a breaking change if you're working with over a million servers.
      Also to get bang for your buck You need your programs with a lot of patches to make them fit for your specific requirements and stripped of any code that goes unused or is deemed a security risk which means a whole lot of packages that are compiled in-house. hell even individual packages that are forked are posing problems for them (see https://boringssl.googlesource...)
      All of this means you have to use your own package repositories which means even if they use redhat as a base it's not redhat anymore.
      Did I mention ridiculous pricing?

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    3. Re:Oh please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If RH is so great for "the cloud" why does Google use a modified version of Ubuntu in-house on their servers?

      RH's CEO says that Linux is the "default choice" for "The Cloud". Google uses Linux for their servers. It seems that you don't realise it, but you are agreeing with Red Hat's CEO.

  3. Red Hat CEO: "Open is the default choice" by SolemnLord · · Score: 2, Funny

    Slashdot headline: "Linux is the default choice".

    There's... sort of a significant gap between the two.

    1. Re:Red Hat CEO: "Open is the default choice" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I haven't seen a gap that big since goatse.

  4. Re: Only when... by AstroSurf · · Score: 1

    Hey! Ubuntu has made its way into Windows. Get on board! ðY

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  5. Re:Only when... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

    Please just feel free to stick with Windows, then.

    Seriously--choice being a thing and all...

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  6. Linux, yes - but not RedHat Linux. by Xargle · · Score: 1

    I mean they offer cloud installs of RHEL, but few will be clicking that button.

    1. Re:Linux, yes - but not RedHat Linux. by khz6955 · · Score: 1

      "I mean they offer cloud installs of RHEL, but few will be clicking that button.

      2016 Red Hat Innovation Awards winners

  7. Re: Anti-systemd posts coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    systemd is no longer a problem for us. We've all moved to FreeBSD and no longer use Linux.

  8. Re: Only when... by Hylandr · · Score: 1

    Ubuntu on Windows is not Windows running Linux by any stretch of the imagination. It's Windows running a Linux app.

    It's not Linux people. It's just not.

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  9. Cloud works ok, but PCS with UEFI bios are behind by nickwinlund77 · · Score: 1

    Secure boot and shoddy BIOS make Linux on a lot of PC's hard to utilize. If you can access the cloud someway however then it's ok.

  10. Re: Anti-systemd posts coming by r1348 · · Score: 2

    All 5 of you?

  11. Re:But will the real question ever be answered? by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

    I think we pretty much got that with Android Tablets(*). Android (while creating some new issues) did solve a lot that plagued Linux Desktop. Take a flavor of Android, from different manufacturers, across a wide range of versions, download an APK and it works. Play Store providing a better environment to do that.

    No end user is expected to have to type in "Sudo apt-get make and make-install" and manually solve dependency issues.

    No end user is expected to solve driver issues.

    For the majority of tasks people do at home, Android tablets can replace their desktop. Of course they have yet to replace Desktop / Laptops for serious high power work.

    I liken to to back in the 80's when there were home computers: Apple II, C64, etc that were simple easy to use machines that would do what most users at home needed, then there were higher power Personal Computers, Mini-computers, workstations, etc for serious work.

    *Of course the neckbeards will say when they mean "Linux Desktop" they don't just mean an Open Source OS running Linux kernel like Android, but GNU/Linux with X-Window and crappy window managers.

  12. Re: Anti-systemd posts coming by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    Linux us more secure due to app armor and SELinux. I wish this existed for FreeBSD

  13. Red Hat Certified Systemd Administrator by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 1

    I got my cert! Basically needed it to prove that I can work with systemd

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  14. I wouldn't really consider anything else. by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

    What were they expecting Windows? I don't know enough to comment on BSD but other than that, what are the other options? I would generally consider anything but linux in a cloud environment to be some terrible terrible marketing experiment in progress where some OS company bribed a bunch of users to use the stupid solution they were offering. Then expect to see those companies either fail because of their stupid choice, or switch and talk about how stupid their choice had been.

  15. I bet... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

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    ...that one time when she forgot the rubber gloves.

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  16. Re: Only when... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    You don't have to deal with poor application support

    I thought we were talking about Windows...

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  17. Re:If I want.... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1
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  18. This only makes sense by bravecanadian · · Score: 1

    If you are going to expand and contract instances based on demand you aren't going to spring for a bunch of proprietary server licensing.

    Rather than have to predict your maximum load ahead of time or have licenses sitting on the shelf you just run Linux and don't worry about it at all.

  19. Re:That's only because... by armanox · · Score: 1

    What do you mean? Unless you thought that it was so much easier to administer AIX, HP-UX, IRIX, Sco, and Solaris (depending on your viewpoint). Or maybe you thought that AS/400 was easier to use?

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  20. Re: Anti-systemd posts coming by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    (Prince's 1999) - I was dreaming of an updated system when I realized I was running BSD.... We were stupid and we knew it and dreamed of system-d..... All night we were thinking we should make the move....Let's party with System-D like it's 1999....

    Two thousand zero zero and we're all happy now....

  21. Re:Linux maybe, but not RedHat by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    You don't use it at all, do you? If you did you wouldn't be making such stupid statements.

    I maintain around 2000 Linux machines with thousands of users. None of them are having any of the problems your talking about. Some of them are even normally *Gasp* Windows users. Even they can use something like even - SAS without a problem.

    As for RHCE, whenever I hire one, they're always top notch. I never have to show them system stuff. Just how to use our ticketing system and they're off. Even if I ask them to fix a Solaris box.

  22. Re:That's only because... by bored · · Score: 1

    The AS/400 has a complete menu based system administration mode. Its actually quite easy to figure many things out without really having to know any programming/scripting languages. Similarly with AIX (smitty) and HP-UX (sam/smh). Both of which are conceptually comparable to what a window's control panel/administrator menu is capable of. Particularly now that MS has stopped putting any effort into assuring that the GUI can actually configure everything in the machine.

    I'm not sure about IRIX, but sco, solaris and linux lag behind in this category. In the case of linux its heavily dependent on which distro you use, with suse's yast probably being the most complete, and approaching the level of what was available in hpux/aix, but still only covering a limited subset of the total configuration options (although it manages to nail all the most important options, allowing you to configure a basic SMB/apache/whatever server without having to drop to the command line).

  23. Would not be too surprised. by prowler1 · · Score: 1

    Regardless of what I hope are typos in the summary, I recently attended a 'cloud debate'. Of course, one of the groups there was for Azure of Microsoft fame and they had I believe the Open Source director as one of the two representing Azure.

    One of the things that stuck out during the debate was that he openly admit that initially, Windows instances easily made up over 70% of all instances launched in Azure BUT in the last 2 odd years, this number has flipped and Linux now represents 70% of the new instances being brought up in Azure.

  24. Re: Only when... by AstroSurf · · Score: 1

    > Ubuntu on Windows is not Windows running Linux by any stretch of the imagination. It's Windows running a Linux app.

    Read his post again. I think that's what he's really looking for. "I can do Linux and do it still running Windows!" ;)

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  25. Re: Anti-systemd posts coming by himay · · Score: 1

    I wish this existed for FreeBSD

    HardenedBSD isn't that analogous?

  26. Re: Only when... by Hylandr · · Score: 1

    "I can do Linux apps and do it still running Windows!"

    FTFY but yea, pretty sure the problem with this conversation is me. :)

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