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Donald Trump Wins US Presidency (nytimes.com)
It's official: Donald Trump has won the 2016 presidential election. Slashdot reader Xenographic writes: Google's map of results is now calling the race for Donald J. Trump. This is something that Nate Silver jokingly predicted back on May 10th when he wrote "Reminder: Cubs will win the World Series and, in exchange, President Trump will be elected 8 days later." The House and Senate are also under Republican control. In other news, the Canadian immigration site has crashed under heavy load.This is how The New York Times, America's top newspaper reported the news:The surprise outcome, defying late polls that showed Hillary Clinton with a modest but persistent edge, threatened convulsions throughout the country and the world, where skeptics had watched with alarm as Mr. Trump's unvarnished overtures to disillusioned voters took hold. The triumph for Mr. Trump, 70, a real estate developer-turned-reality television star with no government experience, was a powerful rejection of the establishment forces that had assembled against him, from the world of business to government, and the consensus they had forged on everything from trade to immigration. The results amounted to a repudiation, not only of Mrs. Clinton, but of President Obama, whose legacy is suddenly imperiled. And it was a decisive demonstration of power by a largely overlooked coalition of mostly blue-collar white and working-class voters who felt that the promise of the United States had slipped their grasp amid decades of globalization and multiculturalism. Update: The New Yorker's Editor-in-Chief David Remnick, described the Election outcome as "an American tragedy." The New York Times columnist Paul Krugman said, "Trump will bring global recession." BBC has an article on how the media worldwide has described Trump's victory. The Guardian captured the thoughts of world leaders on the matter. Hillary Clinton addressed the nation this morning and told her supporters that they all should keep an open mind and give Trump the chance to lead.
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Dear DNC and superdelegates: Thanks so much for giving us the most unpopular Democratic nominee in living memory. What should have been a landslide win has become a complete fucking nightmare. Good job.
Please consolidate all the comments about how sexist/racist/xenophobic America is because they didn't coronate Hillary under this comment for organizational purposes. Please provide reasons for why a bunch of people who were "good" when they voted for Obama deserve to be shipped off to your concentration camps today for failing to do as they were told.
Also, you can post your real estate listings here since you ARE actually going to man up (ooh wait.. too cisgendered a term there) and move to Canada right?
Interesting microcosm of why Hillary ACTUALLY lost that can't be boiled down to a prejudiced throw-away "ism" hurled at groups of people you don't like: Tonight she flat out refused to go out and face her own supporters at her lavish "victory" party. Not even to thank them for their hard work. No class whatsoever where it actually counts.
AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
As of today, because of my Islamic surname, I'm a second class citizen in the eyes of America. If I want to visit, I'll have to undergo "extreme vetting", whatever that means.
The parallels with the rise of Nazism are quite disturbing.
At the end of the day Trump is too incompetent to start a major war. Or do anything else too drastic. He is vain and intellectually lazy, so the lobbyists will keep him under control.
But the big thing he WILL do is roll back Obamacare. The thing that poor whites rely on if they get ill. He'll cut taxes to the rich and services to the poor like nobody else.
He'll make noises about Mexicans but do nothing. He will make noises about China but is unlikely to do anything.
But if you rely on government services too bad, so sad.
In a democracy the people get the government that they deserve.
It should be pointed out that hawkish behaviour under the Bush regime meant a LOT of people didn't survive the Bush regime (literally bombed and shot to death). While American's have been concerned with talk of Mexican Walls and grabbing women inappropriately, the rest of the world has been gravely worried about the potential dismantling of major world alliances and free trade deals, and the potential for nuclear proliferation.
People in the US need to realise that US guns in US hands kill a LOT of people around the world.
Incidentally, for those looking for someone to blame here, look no further than the DNC:
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Four years we get to listen to his pedantic bullshit.
And in four years, we have to sit through another goddamn election season where he's a candidate.
I fully expect him to appoint every conservative wingnut he can find to positions of power.
We're going to try trickle down economics one more fucking time.
We're going to boot 20 million people off of their health care, and institute health savings plans instead (great if you live well enough above your means that you can afford to set money aside).
We're going to ignore the Paris Climate Accords. The EPA will be left in tatters.
We're going to waste half a trillion dollars building a fucking wall, to address an immigration problem that is nowhere near our top concern.
We're going to defund the Department of Education.
And on and on and fucking on.
And I fully expect the Trump administration to be rife with scandals. There's a reason he didn't want to get into financial disclosures. He will use the office to further his investments.
President Trump, the greatest shitshow on earth!
They won't have it for long. Brexit remorse will set in quickly and a D wave will flow into Congress in 2018. I have a suspicion that Trump will be a pariah in DC, constantly at odds with everyone except the sycophants in his Cabinet.
Since term limits began we've been in a cycle of 8 years one party, 8 years the other. Bush (the first) was the only exception, because Reagan was ridiculously popular and Dukakis wasn't.
More accurately, Republicans have a base of ~40% that turns out no matter what; Democrats don't, which is why all the true landslides of the past 50 years have gone to Republicans. The party cycle is pretty much all because of Democrats; after two elections they become complacent and idealistic and stop turning out, then it takes a couple terms of Republicans to build up the fire in their belly again. It would be funny, except for how many people suffer in the meantime.
And if you were one of those idealists who would only vote for Bernie, remember that idealism is an extremism as dangerous as any other, because it ends in letting the world burn because you won't settle for second best.
Anyway, all hail Grand Nagus Trump and see you in 2018.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
There goes the neighborhood. You know Obamacare is going to die, followed by womens rights, gay rights, black rights, oh hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump orders the national guard to round up everyone non-white and drop them on the Canadian or Mexican border.
Every country has some weird traditions. USA's is electing a clown as president.
I am sure it will not be as bad as most people think. After all president is constrained by the budget set by congress. Neither can a president declare war without their approval. I am sure that if he really starts to act out then impeachment is on the table.
Still, you have to wonder about the voter disillusionment to get such a result.
Most of the senate seats up in 2018 are Democrats, not to mention how many supreme court justices he's replaced by then. We'll be dealing with the fallout from this for a long time.
And don't think for a minute that the Republican congress won't exploit Trump to get legislation passed. Narcissists are easy to manipulate; put their ego on the line and they can be goaded into anything.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
The West is "so great" primarily because we DON'T do those things. The minute we start is the minute we AREN'T "so great". How does that concept escape you?
Trump's every election promise violates against the constitution in a form or the other. He does nothing he promised during the campaign. He probably only wants to show off his wife at diplomatic events and make "deals". This is how the populists operate in Europe as well.
Pick a swing state and colonize it if you actually care about your country.
If you look at the state maps, wherever population is densest, people tend to vote left. The reason is simple: people who live in close quarters have learned that it's important to get along.
All those folks out in the sparse spaces haven't figured out that rugged individualism is basically childishness. We look out from the cities and see drooling yokels - they look at us and see preening fops making useless rules.
World's getting smaller though. Eventually the children will have to grow up. We have to take care of each other and share limited resources.
See, it's this kind of loony shit that just lost you the election.
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Bush Jr held back the fight against climate change for eight years.
First this year, Obama finally ratified a global treaty, sorry: "agreement", on the climate -- one that does not really commit to anything, and if countries even followed it would be too little and too late.
And now the US elected a president that "does not believe in global warming" that wants to tear that up.
And you still say that we can survive?
If Gore had been elected back in 2000, there might have been a chance.
"We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
It was predicted in the primaries. Hillary Clinton was the weakest possible candidate against Trump. If the party had rallied around Bernie Sanders, Trump would have lost. So many of the Trump votes were anti-Hillary protest votes. A vote for Hillary in the primaries was a vote for Trump.
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You said:
1. All of Trump's campaign promises violate the constitution. (wrong).
2. But he won't do any of them anyway.
So according to you, Trump will actually follow the constitution. Looks like that puts him ahead of the current administration.
AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
Literally no excuse. So when Bob the redneck keeps whining It's Obama's fault he doesn't have a job you can gleefully tell him to GTFO.
the 1% are fine with Trump. Lots of tax cuts, regulation cuts, Union busting, etc. That leaves the loons, and the left just aren't up to assassinations. We've shied away from violence this entire campaign. Trumps fine. The rest of us? Not so much.
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Cya later. Have fun. Nobody will miss you.
You realize Hillary and trump both won their party's nomination
Yes, of course.
fair and square, right?
You're joking, right?
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
I hope folks are ready for sheer hell to break loose because it will..Folks like me can look forward to dying as our Medicare and Social Security are ripped away from us.
America has collectively gone Insane
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The parallels with the rise of Nazism in the 1930s are quite disturbing. Trump wants to deport 11 million people, persecute Muslims, force other countries to respect and build walls for America, and all on the back of a populist campaign of lies and blame.
The Republicans control both houses, the presidency and will get to appoint an ultra conservative to the Supreme Court. Trump won by appealing particularly to white males, a group that thinks it is repressed and under attack when in fact it has all the power and is now persecuting everyone else. The President has admitted sexually assaulting women, and is being sued for the Trump University scam, used cheap immigrant labour to build his empire and wants to put his political rival in jail.
The world is turning to shit again. I honestly thought this couldn't happen, that we had learned from the 1930s and would never allow the same mistakes to be made, but it has happened.
And that above, people, is how you lose an election.
No one likes smug assholes, and they like them even less when the doom-and-gloom fails to materialise.
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
It's gonna be Not Very Fun At All to be a minority in the US for the next couple of years.
Eat the rich.
1) Both the Bush and Clinton crime families are finished. They will never hold any power in either side of the Ruling Party again.
2) Trump is ego driven. He has no actual policy agenda.
3) Trey Gowdy might actually have enough integrity to prosecute criminals from both sides of the Ruling Party. Obama gave Bush's minions a walk as a professional courtesy.
4) This defeat is an opportunity for the Democrats to clean house, big time. (Not that I really expect them to do so, but still.)
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
First Trump came and messed up the Primaries for the Republicans and collected a lot of enemies, and now he bashed Clinton and probably gained more enemies.
This will be fun.
But I think that Trump will have a tough time with the congress - and it will be a sour awakening for both parties that now there's a president that none of the sides likes and they have to revisit what they have to do to control him - and gain support in the long run.
In many political issues Trump is leaning to the center but the news has bashed him for his sometimes outrageous claims of building a wall and so on.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
I don't know where the extra Republican votes came from.
From people sick to death of a corrupt, lying Clinton and the totally transparent corruption of the DNC and all of the media machinery that was trying to shove her down everyone's throats. If you still think this was about "Russian hacking" or any other sort of external influence, you're exactly the sort of out-of-touch person that probably thought Clinton was entitled to more of the sort of power she's been so eager to abuse and enrich herself with over the years.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
The parallels with the rise of Nazism in the 1930s are quite disturbing. Trump wants to deport 11 million people, persecute Muslims, force other countries to respect and build walls for America, and all on the back of a populist campaign of lies and blame.
Sure are! Media was in the tank for a single candidate. Told the world and the american people if they didn't vote one way, the world was going to end. That those people were racists/bigots/sexists/misogynists/delplorables/etc. That "white people are the problem" and they were "all poor and uneducated." And the people said Fuck and You. In that order. Trump wants to deport 11 million illegals AKA people breaking the law. And enforce the laws that are on the books, unlike the current "we'll just turn a blind eye." And if you're an ICE agent, you'd better let that illegal go--or we'll can your ass. He wants to restrict muslim immigration, especially from countries where fundamentalist islam and repression of women is the norm, and the murder of gays is not only great--it's a past time. How's that unrestricted importation working out for you in Europe? Trojan horse scandal, Rotherham, 700% increase in rapes, sexual assaults, and robberies? Just to start with. And wants to actually enforce the borders that exist, instead of having them as an unrestricted flow of people who want to enter the US illegally to gain citizenship to boot. While said illegals piss all over people who waited in line, followed the rules, and became citizens.
Om, nomnomnom...
Early in the primaries, Sanders was really close to Clinton in elected delegate count - within about 10%-15%.. But all the media reported the delegate count including the DNC-selected superdelgates, making it appear as if Clinton had an insurmountable 40%-60% lead. That had the effect of discouraging potential Sanders voters from bothering to vote because the primary race was "already over", as well as swaying undecideds to not seriously consider Sanders because "he didn't have a realistic chance of winning."
One party deliberately manipulated their primary process to select the candidate the party bosses wanted, instead of the candidate the voters wanted. The other party grudgingly accepted the voters' choice of nominee even though the party bosses thought it was crazy stupid. The first party lost the Presidency. The latter party won it. Turns out listening to the voters' choice instead of the party bosses' opinions pays off in a democracy. Who'd've thunk it.
DOW Futures were down almost a 1000 points when it looked like Trump might actually win because of all the idiots voting for 3rd parties. Expect a significant stock market crash tommorow, by the time he takes office the ecomomy is going to be in recession unless he repudiates his threats to reneg on the existing free trade agreements and other economic suicide policies he's promissed to implement to placate the ignorant. He's scared the business community so badly that most companies will halt investments, within a month layoffs will start because everyone is holding back waiting to see how badly he fucks up trade and the economy. Negative views like this become self fullfiling in very short order because emotion drives the market.
The great recession that Obama narrowly stopped turning into a full depression is going to cycle back around. And just like Bush's first term when R's controlled both houses they will cut taxes, increase spending and sink the countries future. But maybe we'll get lucky and he'll start a nuclear war because someone insulted him.
75 years ago over 400,000 of our troops fought a war against nations lead by people like Trump. Every person who voted for him just spit on their graves.
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Actually, first priority will be packing up the statue of liberty and shipping it back to France with a rude note and a poop emoji.
It was hollow from the start in any case. The symbolism is quite appropriate.
Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.
It's gonna be Not Very Fun At All to be a illegal alien in the US for the next couple of years.
FTFY
What actual evidence do you have that Trump will attack minorities? Quoting Democrats does not count as evidence.
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Unless you get sick, and can no longer get health insurance...
Considering people are already hitting the point where they can't afford the health insurance in the first place. Hell my buddy in Alaska saw his premium go from $400/mo w/2200 deductible to $1100/mo w/$9000 delectable. Can you afford that? My neighbor in Central Florida? Well he's lucky, his 28 year old daughter and her husband? Nope. $250/mo pre-obamcare to $4800/mo with w/14k deductible? A lot of people are now worse off then they were before.
Om, nomnomnom...
Vote for the damn issues, AND, whatever or whoever serves their ACTUALLY HAPPENING, however incrementally.
This means NO THIRD PARTY shit,
What if I think voting third party is the best way to accomplish the issues I care about?
NO PROTEST VOTES,
I agree with that, as my reply above said.
PARTICIPATING IN PRIMARIES,
Yes, but they aren't the be-all-end-all some think they are, as this year showed.
and VOTING FOR ONE OF THE TWO.
Sorry, now I have to tell you to fuck off. I vote for who I want, from whichever party, for my own reason. If that happens to be NOT one of the two main parties, so be it. It is my choice, my vote, not yours. So, again, kindly fuck off.
FUCK.
Not tonight, my wife is too depressed.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
Trump doesn't give a shit about the law or about the people he claims to represent. He has been screwing ordinary, hard working Americans his entire life. Using cheap immigrant labour to build his business empire, setting up scams like Trump University. He's a billionaire who was given a huge loan by his parents, not a man of the people.
You know nothing about Europe. The child abuse in Rotherham was by people of Asian descent, mostly from Pakistan. They and their parents mostly came here in the 60s and 70s, before we even joined the EU, from our old Commonwealth empire. I happen to be half Asian, so FUCK YOU for even playing the race card.
Deporting people isn't going to make America great again, unless you think working for pennies on the Dollar is great.
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I really am.
To survive such a powerful stream of filth from massmedia, and to win in landslide.... He is the man, he rocks! True Mr. ImPerfect....
Also... sort of... shame on that arrogant MINORITY who treat MAJORITY of the country as deplorables, sexists, misogynists, racists, xenophobes.
Elizabeth Warren decided not to run against Hillary.
Joe Biden stepped aside for Hillary.
Biden vs Trump, what an election that would be. Maybe that could still be 2020.
Tim Kaine isn't looking too bad, though I don't think he's president-material, not yet.
Obamacare is literally keeping my sister alive. The medication she needs to survive costs $5000/month and is not covered by her employer's insurance (she's a teacher at a private school). Thanks to Obamacare she was able to get into an exchange and buy insurance that does cover her medication for only $500/month. Being on a teacher's salary, my parents who are retired help her out. With her pre-existing conditions, there's no way any insurance company would take her and she'd quickly hit the limits with the medical issues she's had since every couple of years something major comes up. Her medication is so expensive because it is derived from human blood because her immune system has shut down and isn't making antibodies. And Trump's plan with tax deductions won't come close to paying for the medication, especially on a teachers salary where she doesn't pay much if any federal taxes.
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I knew it wouldn't be long before someone would Godwin this thread. The slight difference is that Trump doesn't want to exterminate the entire race of Hispanic people, and isn't intent on conquering some Lebensraum for his master race to spread out into Canada. Don't forget, we've had men of questionable morals in the White House before, and we certainly will again. Probably women too, in the future. Trump is an arrogant ass, but seriously comparing him to one of the most evil mass-murderers in modern history demonstrates a lack of perspective, or at least a severe lack of faith in the people of the US, to think anyone would go along with such schemes.
I'd hope that you can now understand the angst of conservative voters when President Obama won the last two elections. Or perhaps I can at least empathize with you a bit because of that, if you're not feeling very empathetic yourself yet. Many conservatives predicted the end of America as we know it, and they were just as wrong. I believe America is still a strong country, generally made up of good people who just want to get along with their neighbors and live their lives in peace. Maybe you think that's naive or optimistic, but so be it.
If nothing else, just keep reminding yourself that you'll have another chance to vote him out in four years.
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Don't be daft and lie to yourself that Trump won because America is overwhelmingly populated by misogynists, homophobes, racists, and xenophobes.
He won because he spoke up on behalf of the workers who lost their jobs to outsourcing, due to free trade deals and H1-B1 programs and illegal immigration that favor big business at the expense of the middle class. Clinton pretty much openly pledged her allegiance to Wall Street, so those desperate for work already made up their minds.
That's definitely the biggest issue. There's also the fact that the Democrats are still supporting Planned Parenthood even though they've been caught multiple times illegally selling baby carcases to maximize their profits and not reporting ongoing sexual abuse, and the fact that Clinton's the war hawkiest war hawk in recent memory and people don't much like having America bombing every country it can get its grubby hands on. But hey, keep telling yourself that it's because everybody else is so uneducated and votes out of fear. I'm sure Trump won't win his reelection off of your same mistakes.
The DNC's failure started long before that, they should not have attempted a coronation.
This year's Democrat primary was truly weird, no Presidential incumbent but only a single prominent Democrat running? How the hell did that happen? It should have been a crowded field like 2008. Somehow the party machine convinced other prominent Democrats to stay out of the race, "it was her turn". There was one token opponent who mostly said he largely agreed with her and that she would be a good President. And there was the Independent running as a Democrat, a party outsider, Bernie.
It should have been a crowded Democratic primary field like 2008 and a more viable candidate emerging like in 2008. But that didn't work out for the party machine's preferred candidate last time did it, so they worked to avoid that same mistake and essentially ran here "unopposed" in the primary. The shock of Bernie doing so well should have told them something, but no, "it was her turn".
[sarcasm] DNC, thank you for Trump. You found the one candidate he could beat [/sarcasm].
If the party had rallied around Bernie Sanders, Trump would have lost.
Nah. Bernie is a commie rat bastard, and the country isn't quite ready to vote for bread lines. The Bernie Bros had more enthusiasm than Hillary's Harpies, but they wouldn't have changed the outcome.
Now, if the Democrats had nominated a decent human being, it would be a different story. If they want a landslide next time, they could nominate Ellen DeGeneres, for example.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
It was predicted in the primaries. Hillary Clinton was the weakest possible candidate against Trump. If the party had rallied around Bernie Sanders, Trump would have lost. So many of the Trump votes were anti-Hillary protest votes. A vote for Hillary in the primaries was a vote for Trump.
Voting for Trump out of protest is like shooting your self in the foot to cure foot fungus.
Trump doesn't give a shit about the law or about the people he claims to represent. He has been screwing ordinary, hard working Americans his entire life. Using cheap immigrant labour to build his business empire, setting up scams like Trump University. He's a billionaire who was given a huge loan by his parents, not a man of the people.
Oh good, now we've got your bullshit out of the way. Remember that part where Hillary wanted to enforce no-fly-zones against Russia in Syira, and operated multiple pay-for-play scandals?
You know nothing about Europe. The child abuse in Rotherham was by people of Asian descent, mostly from Pakistan. They and their parents mostly came here in the 60s and 70s, before we even joined the EU, from our old Commonwealth empire. I happen to be half Asian, so FUCK YOU for even playing the race card.
Oh so which is it? They're asian or pakistani? They came here in the 60's and 70's? Or multiple people who were arrested were "new immigrants" and were in their 20's and 30's. According to the court records. I also happen to be half-asian(actual half-asian, not the lovely code-word that UK and EU media likes to use for people from the middle east). So fuck you for trying to be a weaseling little shit, and trying to crawl out of it.
Deporting people isn't going to make America great again, unless you think working for pennies on the Dollar is great.
Gotcha. Ensuring that companies actually employ americans = bad. Stopping the flow of illegals that cause crimes = bad. Bet you're right there cheering on H1B's replacing Americans and them being forced to train their replacement too.
Om, nomnomnom...
This election was just like the Arab spring. Take the information monopoly out of the hands of the biased elites and use social media to reach everyone with the real message.
They did their best to sabotage him but Twitter and Facebook are the main reasons for the Trump victory.
lucm, indeed.
People in the US need to realise that US guns in US hands kill a LOT of people around the world.
Cut the ignorant self-flagellating shit! This is one of the many reasons why the left is suffering in this country! First of, American-made guns are ridiculously overpriced, particularly in those poor-er parts of the world where these conflicts of the worst. The specs and machines are freely available.
Beyond that, people like you still quote six or even seven figure casualty numbers in Iraq, despite the fact that those people overwhelmingly did NOT die from American guns in American hands. They largely died because they killed each other, and we (incompetently) failed to prevent that. Yes, Iraq was moronic and caused (and continues to cause) untold suffering. We all know that. That doesn't mean you're going to score any points with this Fahrenheit 9/11 level hyperbole any more. Stop destroying the left. A lot of us would really like to live here.
Mexican Walls
Which is (in the form of a literal wall) extremely stupid, but despite the fact that ELEVEN MILLION people have made it over here illegally, wreaking havoc on the economy and societies in myriad wars (e.g. minimum wage cheating), people like you still want to imply that his problem shouldn't be solved, or that it will do damage if we solve it.
Nonsense, self-destructive nonsense. You can't argue it's infeasible to ship back 11M illegal immigrants and then five minutes later talk about how "a wall" (no not a physical one, and sure Trump is a populist dumbass for all his statements implying such) is inherently undesirable. The solution, the compromise has been (for reasonable people) very clear for literally decades now:
Republicans get their "wall"; Democrats get "path to citizenship" amnesty for the millions of people who have settled here for years and are great, contributing members of society. Every reasonable person on either side of the aisle should have been agitating for this compromise. Both of these things are correct and moral to desire.
The one thing this doesn't address, wild card of how many legal immigrants to let in, is something both sides need to agree to disagree on, but illegal immigration has never, ever been an acceptable alternative to any thinking person.
grabbing women inappropriately
Like Bill fucking Clinton, the man Hillary said she was going to put in charge of "fixing our economy" (presumably as a member of her cabinet.)
I'm not going to analyze his quotes to death any more (guess what, he most certainly did not admit to assaulting anyone. His entire obnoxiously macho thesis was that the women "let him" grope them; that is generally what's known as "consent" to reasonable people); the point should be clear by now that sexual scandals have run their course. Rapists should be arrested and imprisoned. If there's not enough evidence because women don't tend to come forward until decades later (generally only after someone hits the headlines), then our police and more importantly our culture need to change. Slut-shaming needs to be banished from the Earth[1], and quite frankly women need to start carrying guns (or at least pepper spray), fighting back, and not taking any of this shit lying down. (That may seem to veer perilously close to victim-blaming, but the sad fact is if there's a rash of car thefts you really do have to mention, at some point, the importance of locking your doors or getting Lojack.)
But that's orthogonal to someone's political significance. If he's committed crimes (against women or against anyone else), arrest the motherfucker. If not, oh well. People are pretty much bored with sexual scandals in politics right now. This shit literally jumped the shark like 17 years ago, but the left somehow has not gotten the message.
potential dismantling of major world alliances and free trade deals, and the potenti
See this attitude is part of the problem. It's the "everybody who doesn't agree with me is Hitler" attitude. It causes people like you and many others - especially the talking heads in the media, on Twitter or wherever, to paint broad sections of the population as racist, sexist, homophobes. It's just not true. Trump was only 6 ticks behind with female graduates, for example. Ask yourself why.
Trump's policy is to treat "Muslims" as second class human beings. You can't undo voting for that easily.
You mean those "muslims" in fundamentalist countries, that already treat women, blacks, and anyone who doesn't follow their belief as second class human beings? Oh, I forgot. Restricting immigration from those countries is "bad" just like ensuring that you have national borders is bad.
Om, nomnomnom...
So, what you're essentially saying is that you want the US to turn into a full-on plutocracy in which one will simply die without a job/income? And this at a time where menial jobs are fast disappearing because automation and machines are fast becoming more effective than human workers? And at the same time you want to make sure getting education becomes more difficult if not altogether impossible for people who cannot afford to take massive debt.
Do you understand what life under such a system would actually be like? It would essentially destroy any social mobility that you guys have left and mean that anyone born into a poor/uneducated family would permanently stay that way.
If this is the direction you guys want to be heading to, I'm doubly glad I'm not american, that's just lunacy.
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The people that have the guns have no problem with Mr. Trump.
He thanked his parents, siblings, and children. Praised Hillary's service to the country without making any crass remarks about her. Stated he'll represent all Americans, even the ones who didn't vote for him, and to make put unemployed Americans to work building the country to make it great again. That last part sounded bit like the FDR's new deal.
Keep in mind when Trump was first exploring running for the presidency before Obama, it was as a Democrat. I don't think Trump cares about political parties and will reach out to the Democrats to get the things "he want" done when Republican support aren't enough. What I think will happen is that he'll be disgusted by the pettiness and bullshit of being a politician and fail to get any of plans implemented the way he wants it.
You can't elect women that don't run.
There are many reasons why Congress and the population as a whole don't sample equally.
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And so people voted for the blabbering airhead instead of the lizard. People of or for the left: please learn your lesson. Reform politics. Create an "alt-left"... or just continue down your current path, keep making your token snide remarks and behold as the right destroys everything.
The lesson here is that the democratic party is not left-wing. The Green party is our only real left-wing party, and it is a whisper of a murmur of passage in the night compared to the other parties. The Democratic party is a centrist, status-quo-maintaining party, and this is a time when people are demanding change. Remember how Obama ran on the Hope (you don't get drone striked or indefinitely detained) and Change (prior administration's policies very little) platform? Problem is, he failed to meet people's hopes and he delivered very little change. Racism is clearly still as rampant as ever so having a black president clearly didn't accomplish anything, and nothing has really changed. The world is still at the brink of war, the same number of people are still seeking employment because the unemployment rate is still a lie (just as it was under republican presidents in the past, this is a bi-partisan effort to fuck us) and he's going to let Standing Rock "play out for a few weeks" after promising that the natives there would not stand alone. So provably, clearly, undeniably, the Democrats could not run on the platform of Change when even their color-changed candidate couldn't provide any. They ran on the basis of maintaining the status quo at a time when people are clearly done doing that.
At best, the DNC is a bunch of incompetent raving lunatics. At worst, they threw the election.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Don't forget that the DNC actively encouraged people to vote in the Republican primaries for Trump, because that's who they wanted to run against instead of a more moderate, experienced, and level headed candidate.
They got who they wanted, and they rigged their own primary to nominate their candidate; then they fucked the dog and lost the election through smugness and not paying attention to what the voters were actually telling since the early primaries.
They lost an election. The whole country will lose far more than that. Thanks, DNC. And I say this as a registered Republican, who did not vote for Trump.
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Not only that, but they pushed hard (with dubious means as we found out) to have Clinton win the nomination, when she is probably the "Democrat" that Democrat voters themselves like the least. And "like the least" is a euphemism when many outright hate her. ALMOST ANYONE else would have had an easy time against Donald Trump, but no, they didn't want people like Bernie etc, Clinton was the DNC's favorite gal...
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Pence is the real danger. Funerals for miscarriages, hates LGBTs, and is against all forms of birth control and even protection against STDs. Stock up on Plan B and condoms now before they're banned.
It did the same immediately after Brexit, and then climbed back over where it was after the realization that the Sky-Is-Falling crowd was wrong yet again. Brexit 2: The Brexening.
How is it that over half the population is women and yet they account for only 20% of congress?
For the same reason that over half the population is women and yet they account for only 15% of the prison population... they take fewer risks.
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
The fix isn't ObamaCare.
Your sisters premiums are likely to continue going up btw. At some point she won't be able to afford them either and will be in the same boat.
The problem is the fact that we allow drug companies to gouge the shit out of the folks who need the medicines to begin with.
Once the medical and pharmaceutical industries becomes regulated, all these problems about needing insurance to afford health care will cease to exist.
There is absolutely ZERO reason a cancer treatment should cost over $100,000 a year. None. Nada. Zip.
One of my family members watched their entire retirement savings vanish because of this bullshit.
( and they STILL died of Cancer )
Look past the short term solutions and work towards the long term goal. Healthcare is one of those things that really should be regulated.
Really? How many women are CEOs of Fortune 500 companies? How many women have been president? Vice president? How is it that over half the population is women and yet they account for only 20% of congress? If you honestly think it is a level playing field then you are either delusional or sexist.
Why does it matter? Why do you want to force people into positions that they don't want? Why do you believe that someones genitals, or sexual identity is important? Do you also believe the same thing about an individuals race? Why does it seem your most important qualification to hire someone, or have them in office is something that they're born with.
All of those things? If you want to put people a head of others based on characteristics that they were born with instead of their skill, ability, or the earned merit that they gained from hard work. You're no different then a sexist that believed that only men could be doctors or politicians in the 1910's and earlier. Or a racist in the 1960's that believed those "blacks and/or mexicans" could never be educated enough to succeed.
Om, nomnomnom...
And if Dr. Condoleeza Rice had run, we'd probably have elected the first black woman. But she didn't.
If the democrats learn a single lesson from this election, it's that:
Democracy is compromise.
Starting a negotiation with the premise (stated stridently and repeatedly) that anyone who disagrees with your opinion is a complete and utter fucking moron doesn't make you right. It makes people hate you.
-Styopa
After eight years of being racist, dissent is patriotic once again. Congratulations, America.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Now I get what you are insinuating:
It's not going to be very fun being an illegal criminal from south of the border since they will be sent home in larger numbers. (Deported or jailed and then deported)
It's not going to be very fun being a non-criminal illegal from south of the border, since they too will be sent home in larger numbers. (Deported)
Being an American hating foreigner with ties to violent overseas groups, that for some odd reason rather live in the US than their own country of origin. Will be less than easy from now on. (Deported or never allowed to visit the US in the first place)
Being a Black Lives Matter rioter/looter will no longer be a free pass. Not talking about the people with the protest signs but the jackasses burning down everything and looting stores. (Jail or stand your ground CCP holders, also know as being gunned down in the street)
Being an unemployed social program free rider. (get a job or get kicked off)
Being a government bureaucrat used to big pay, big benefits, and lots of power. Pretty sure there is going to be a big surge in people from the FBI and Justice Dept.updating their Linkedin accounts here in a month or two.
The problem is those groups of people are no longer a small "minority" anymore. We are pretty close to parity, if we haven't already pushed passed it, on those that make verse those that take, and people are sick of it. Plenty of white people fall into those categories too, so save your non-arguments of racism for someone who believes that non-sense.
As opposed to the current transfer of public goods, services, and privileges to private (sometimes foreign) interests through access to the highest levels of the gov't courtesy of donations to the Clinton Foundation?
I and many other Americans decided to risk your hypothetical instead of continuing the current reality.
Donald Trump is in the elite of elites. He was born with a fucking gold plated platinum spoon in his mouth. Trump could give a flying fuck about "those in between". Wake the fuck up.
Can't do worse than Obama? Shit he was doing worse than Obama from day 1 of his campaign. Well you'll be yearning for him back soon.
Trump won on platform, and was the only person putting forth any platform. Immigration reform and protecting the US/Mexico border was the first part of his speeches and people latched on. Politicians have barely paid those issues lip service in the last 40 years, let alone done anything to fix it. In fact many will argue that the Democrats want more of the same because it increases their voting base.
Trump actively questioned the decisions in keeping the US at war in the Middle East where thousands of US Soldiers have been killed and hundreds of thousands have suffered permanent disability. The President and Hillary planned and achieved massive destabilization in the Middle East and Africa. They failed to hold VA executives accountable for failures which have led to the suicides of thousands of vets and exacerbated health issues.
Trump actively discussed the unfair economics at play which has greatly increased wealth disparity in the US, the massive amounts of unemployment and underemployment, and massive reduction in the middle class.
Trump actively talked about media and political corruption, which was made very transparent despite the efforts of the people involved in corruption and holding power. Drain the Swamp should ring a bell.
Trump sending mean tweets was the only thing the media talked about, but people saw him talking and heard the messages on platform which the media happily ignored.
Compared to Hillary who wanted to do everything President Obama did but times 10. She only latched on to immigration because she saw how much she was losing and tried to pull base Democrats back to her side. Even then, like so many issues, people simply found no way to believe what she said she would do.
I have said for years that we were due for a soft revolution, and that is exactly what happened. I have posted numerous times that Trump has a great shot because the average American is fed up. If the soft revolution does not work, we will get to a hard revolution. As I have also said, we hope it does not need to get to that point. Democracy still works, and that fact alone has given a huge number of people hope. Corrupt cronies don't always win, and people's voices are still heard.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
I wouldn't vote for him in 2020 if he cured cancer single-handedly. He's a vile, disgusting failure of a human being.
Some who voted against him, you mean. American voters aren't one dimensional. We have pro-gun lesbian hedge fund managers living across the street from anti-gun evangelical illegal immigrants!