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Twitter Suspends American Far-Right Activists' Accounts (theguardian.com)

Twitter has suspended the accounts of a number of American "alt-right" activists hours after announcing a renewed push to crack down on hate speech. From a report on The Guardian:Among the accounts removed were those of the self-described white-nationalist National Policy Institute, its magazine, Radix, and its head Richard Spencer, as well as other prominent alt-right figures including Pax Dickinson and Paul Town. Spencer, who according to anti-hate group SPLC "calls for 'peaceful ethnic cleansing' to halt the 'deconstruction' of European culture", decried the bans as "corporate Stalinism" to right-wing news outlet Daily Caller. "Twitter is trying to airbrush the alt right out of existence," Spencer said. "They're clearly afraid. They will fail!"

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  1. Poor Nazis by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's so hard being a Nazi now a days, for some reason everyone seems to think your a vile repugnant monster.

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    1. Re:Poor Nazis by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's so hard being a Nazi now a days, for some reason everyone seems to think your a vile repugnant monster.

      Everyone knows anti-Naziism is really just a conspiracy run by the hair transplant and wing industries. Twitter is secretly funded by Rogaine! #sethtescalpfree

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    2. Re:Poor Nazis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's so hard being a Nazi now a days, for some reason everyone seems to think your a vile repugnant monster.

      While the left openly make death threats, BLM supporters openly call for 'white genocide' and other supremacist movements like islam and zionism get a pass? They're all equally vile!

    3. Re:Poor Nazis by gnick · · Score: 4, Funny

      The push to persecute Nazis is a conspiracy started by the Jews.

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    4. Re:Poor Nazis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The primary issue I find with all of these Nazi claims is that the actual Nazis were the ones using the popular media and personalities to silence and censor and were not the ones being silenced and censored.

    5. Re:Poor Nazis by Holi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sorry but tolerating hate is not tolerance, it's cowardice

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    6. Re:Poor Nazis by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While the left openly make death threats

      I know, it's kind of ridiculous. I remember going to all of those liberal political rallies where you could buy shooting targets with the opponent's face on them, or hear speakers talk about "second amendment people" needing to do their thing if the opponents win. It was pretty awful. At all of those liberal rallies.

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    7. Re:Poor Nazis by OhPlz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Talk versus the left rioting. You can't see the difference?

    8. Re:Poor Nazis by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Informative

      Talk versus the left rioting. You can't see the difference?

      Of course they probably can't. It's the same reason why you'll see media(especially leftist media) in europe fall over itself supporting things like Antifa or not reporting on it at all, while their members beat the shit out of people or firebomb places while stating they're "anti-fascist." Or calling for the rape and murder of ethnic germans, sometimes just whites though.

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    9. Re:Poor Nazis by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 3, Informative

      So you're just completely ignoring the Obama shooting targets that suddenly got popular both times he got elected, not to mention the people who actually hanged and burned his likeness hundreds of times, during the widespread protests?

      How quickly people forget.

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    10. Re:Poor Nazis by nickberry · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Or they allow trending topcis like Rape Melenia...

    11. Re:Poor Nazis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm sorry but tolerating hate is not tolerance, it's cowardice

      It doesn't matter, the USA has enshrined freedom of speech in its Constitution.
      Or is this freedom only good when liberal elites use it to their advantage ?

    12. Re:Poor Nazis by GLMDesigns · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And, what if they're not Nazi's? Alt-Right != Nazi.

      What is an alt-right? He's someone that took the left-wing-identity-politics and applies the principles to European history.

      Identity politics, cultural appropriation nonsense is stupid, inane and pathetic. It applies to all groups.

      The Alt-Right is an unintended consequence of the modern progressive's university curriculum.

      If the Alt-Right is racist then so are proponents of identity politics. Welcome to the world you created.

      I, for one, think that identity politics is racist. Now if identity politics is not racist then the Alt-Right is not racist.

      (This doesn't mean that there aren't Neo-Nazis and other out there. Only that the broad brush denunciation is inaccurate.

      Common guys. Appreciate the nuance of it all.

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    13. Re:Poor Nazis by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Germany has remained a pretty democratic nation since the end of the Second World War, even after the reuniting with East Germany, and it in fact makes it illegal for many kinds of Nazi and white supremacist speech to be disseminated. So the idea that censorship is the primary creator of Nazi-like regimes is absurd. I'm not defending censorship here, and I don't really even agree with Germany's stance (it made a lot more sense seventy years ago), but you're literally ignoring the most notorious aspects of Nazism and its fellow travelers in space and time. Nazism at its core was a nationalist and racist ideology that proclaimed the Aryan race to be superior and the rightful master of the other races, even to the point of taking upon itself the role of expunging ethnic groups it deemed unworthy or dangerous.

      But as we all know, censorship, particularly in the US, is only a *legal* problem when it is the state trying to silence people. Twitter is a private organization, and is within its rights to determine who can and cannot use its service. It has decided that white supremacists and similar far right groups will not be able to use Twitter as a platform to disseminate their views. For the more extreme groups within the Alt-right, this is a problem, because if they're basically stuck on Breitbarts and even more far right sites, well, then they lose the efficiency that a platform like Twitter can offer them. But that really is there problem.

      If I was running any kind of site or hosting service, and I had customers or users using my service to promote hatred of ethnic and racial minorities or promote white supremacist ideas, I don't care if I lost their business, I'd cancel their accounts and refund any money I might owe them. I have no desire to silence them, but I don't see why I'm obligated to provide them a platform.

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    14. Re:Poor Nazis by XXongo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Citation needed.

      And to a reliable source, not some right-wing wacko conspiracy site.

    15. Re:Poor Nazis by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The freedom to harass isn't in the Constitution. The freedom to threaten and harm others isn't in the Constitution.

    16. Re:Poor Nazis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To make a long story short, Twitter is saying, go get your own soapbox, this one is ours.

    17. Re:Poor Nazis by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      I've not seen what you claim. Do you have any evidence for that, or did you just grab it from some insane guy's blog?

    18. Re:Poor Nazis by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Three left gather for dinner, and the cops burst in and arrest them for rioting. Funny how when Randy Weaver has an encounter with cops, they are "jackbooted thugs" but when a peaceful protest is stormed by armed police instigating violence, it's about those "rioting thugs".

    19. Re:Poor Nazis by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Funny

      First they came for the Nazis, and I did not speak out because I was not a Nazi ...

    20. Re:Poor Nazis by Wycliffe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm sorry but tolerating hate is not tolerance, it's cowardice

      But defining hate speech is problematic. Which of these is hate speech:
      1) I don't think it's right for a man to marry a man. (A stance taken by many christians)
      2) I don't think it's right for a man to marry a 4 year old. (A stance taken by most westerners but still practiced in some countries)
      3) I don't think it is right for a man to have sex with a another man. (An old stance that was once common and still held by many christians)
      4) I don't think it's right for a black to marry a white. (An old stance that was once common but mostly rejected today)
      5) I don't think I should have to help a man marrying a man celebrate his wedding by baking a cake. (A stance taken by many christians)
      6) I don't think it is right to refuse to sell a cake to someone because you object to their wedding. (A stance taken by many liberals)
      7) I don't think I should have to sell medicine to countries that are going to use it for lethal injection. (A stance taken by many countries in europe)
      8) I don't think it is right to kill an infant. (A stance taken by most today but was once common in some cultures)
      9) I don't think it is right to kill a baby just because it hasn't been born yet. (A stance still held by most christians)

      There is obvious hate speech but voicing your opinion on what you feel is right or wrong and/or not wanting to participate in something that
      you feel is wrong is not hate speech. The problem today is that both sides of many debates have decided that their side is morally superior
      and think that the other side is immoral or unethical if they have a different opinion.

    21. Re:Poor Nazis by Kielistic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would say that technically all Abrahamic religions are supremacist movements. Everyone who isn't us is going hell, we're the chosen people, etc.

    22. Re:Poor Nazis by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you're just completely ignoring the Obama shooting targets

      The Obama shooting targets are repugnant, but they are just symbolism, and constitutionally protected free speech. Comparing symbolic speech to actual rioting causing property damage and injuries, is silly.

    23. Re:Poor Nazis by Jhon · · Score: 4, Informative

      So you're just completely ignoring the Obama shooting targets that suddenly got popular both times he got elected, not to mention the people who actually hanged and burned his likeness hundreds of times, during the widespread protests?

      A few 'interesting' news clips over the last two election cycles about violence targeted at people for their opinions:

      A Thousand Oaks man got his finger bitten off by someone who didn't like the Anti-Obamacare Protesters.
      http://latimesblogs.latimes.co...

      Democrat tried to run down Republican with his car.
      http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOL...

      Left wing nut flies plain in to building.
      http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02...
      (interesting to note that he was 'originally' reported as a right-wing nut because... Texas. After his "note" was found, it was clear he was a left wing nut)

      Man beaten and robbed by democrat thugs because he supports Trump.
      http://www.cnn.com/videos/poli...

      High school girl attacked for supporting Trump:
      http://nbc4i.com/2016/11/11/vi...

      To be fair, there were also these bits:

      Muslim women in CA and LA attacked by Trump supporters.
      http://bigstory.ap.org/article...
      Oh wait... no witnesses or injuries -- and one admits to lying about it entirely and is going to be charged for filing a false police report.

      Trump supporters paint "Die Blacks Die" during protest:
      http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016... (foxnews, but associated press provided).
      Oh wait... it said "Die whites die". So silly of me.

      How quickly people forget.

      Yes... and how willingly they ignore what's under their nose...

    24. Re:Poor Nazis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He's someone that took the left-wing-identity-politics and applies the principles to European history.

      Only in the loosest, and frankly most American of ways, but you are correct.

      The effect of sustained identity politics has driven a generation into a new kind of "white" identity, running against the course of individualisation of at least the last 50 years. In addition to the usual categorization of racial, sexual, and ethic groups, identity politics ranks groups by (lack of) privilege, and as far a this goes, "white" people who have the "most privilege" are constantly criticised -- and at this point it is fair to say -- demonized by the so called "social justice warriors" who comprise the loudest part of academia, and the greater part of the mainstream media.

      It's an insane situation which has been allowed to develop, but effectively identity politics has re-divided Americans by race and in particular appears to be provoking a reactionary response from the "white" population. It's worth noting that historically, this group was not so encompassing, and modern day "whites" were once rigidly socially stratified into separate racial and ethnic categories within the USA and other countries. It doesn't appear that identity politics has applied these historical norms, and so the class they have in effect created, or provoked into being created or in the process of creation, is arguably a much broader one than a European or world historian would recognise.

      I don't know whose bright idea it was to, in effect, "meme" a new kind of "white" mega-race into existence, but it's something profoundly unsettling to see forming in slow motion in response to the endless, overbearing, pontification from the media and academia on matters of race. I think that Dr. King would first be saddened, then appalled, and finally terrified by the new reality that identity politics has wrought on America. There doesn't seem to be any end in sight, and the media is just making things worse.

      What ever happened to the ideal of egalitarianism?

    25. Re:Poor Nazis by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 2

      People make no attempt to find out what the new Nazis are about. They just cling to the same stereotypes that their grandfathers had about Nazis. It's the progressives that are actually intolerant.

    26. Re:Poor Nazis by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 2

      because everyone knows that a left wing wacko site won't contain right wing propaganda, and it's not necessary to stop people from doing things they were already not going to do?

    27. Re:Poor Nazis by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 5, Informative

      So we're just completely forgetting the actual rioting that happened both times Obama was elected?

      http://thehill.com/blogs/pundi...

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    28. Re:Poor Nazis by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're very good at only picking and choosing articles that back up your prejudices.

      http://thehill.com/blogs/pundi...

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    29. Re:Poor Nazis by smugfunt · · Score: 4, Informative

      Which of these is hate speech:

      None of them are. They are merely expressions of hateful opinions. To be hate speech the speaker must incite others to hatred or violence against the object of his hatred.

    30. Re:Poor Nazis by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Did you tell that to those that assumed Trump would lose and threatened to start a Civil War when Trump lost?

    31. Re:Poor Nazis by number6x · · Score: 2

      That makes the alt-right attractive to degenerates like pick up artists, men's rights activists and other far right groups that want to go back to some idealised version of the 1950s.

      The idyllic 1950's, a conservative's dream. There were a lot of bad things back in the 50's. Separate, and unequal treatment of minorities. For example, sit at the back of the bus, can't buy a house in a reasonably nice neighbourhood, women and minorities blacklisted from education and opportunities.

      But there was good as well. Take 1954 for example. America was strong, the economy was great and the American worker could earn a living and have a great retirement without all of the socialism. It was also the year that Union membership reached its peak at 23.8%. Since then, as union power and influence has declined, so has the real adjusted income of the American worker. Good thing we've gotten rid of those evil unions who fought hard for so many American worker's rights.

      The good old days had so much less government that they didn't need all of those high taxes like they have today, am I right? Yes sir, why back in 1954 the richest Americans only had to pay 87% of their income in taxes! Yes you read that correctly. The highest tax bracket was 91%, but if you read the notes in the linked documents you see that the highest effective rate on net income in 1954 was 87% of income. There were a lot more tax brackets as well, which actually worked out much more fairly. About 26 tax brackets. Anyone earning between $0 and $2,000 was taxed at 20%.

      The 1950's when America was great and strong thanks to all those union workers and the high tax rates. Sounds like a conservatives dream, if you include nightmares.

    32. Re: Poor Nazis by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      It got translated that way because the Alt-right is dominated by white supremacists who want to normalize their bigotry by insisting that other groups are also bigoted.

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    33. Re:Poor Nazis by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 2

      Massive false equivalency. I certainly remember the "tea party march" - one of the most peaceful and non-disruptive protests I've ever seen or heard of in DC. And, no, I don't remember any burning going on at all. Maybe you have a citation?

      Incredible that this is supposed to be "the same" as the riots we've seen lately, the smashed windows, vandalized public and private property, and even people getting beaten in the street. No, I don't remember Obama protestors doing anything like that.

      Sorry, no, I don't remember anything like this, or like this, and certainly not like this or this!

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    34. Re:Poor Nazis by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When will those lies being told stop being supported. The left, the right, have no relevance beyond camouflage. You have corrupt corporatists and con artists, pretending to be left or right, when they only support themselves, neither left nor right, totally self centred and myopically greedy.

      The problem with the political left and political right, is they allow those corrupt individuals to hide amongst them because of the few pretty words they wish to hear and then they ignore all the ugly words (note how those ugly words sound the same from those seeking to hide whether they pretend to be from the left of the right.)

      When will people accept, that those who spread hate, whether they pretend to be left or right, have only two things to say, 'all about me' and 'I want more', pretty much, me, me, me, more, more, more and then in the typical lying sales fashion, a few empty compliments and you are ready to be screwed.

      In the most stupid fashion imaginable those on the actual left and right go onto support, the corrupt corporatists and con artists, by claiming those they know do not represent the left or the right, as being left or right and thus sell them to the less informed members of the left and right. Stop doing that, do not serve their purpose. When the clearly do not support expected Liberal Progressive ideals or real actual conservative ideals, then do not call them left or right, call them lying bastards who seek to corrupt the left and the right to serve their own purposes (the left and the right should strive to work together to clear themselves of corrupt from within, betrayers should never be protected but be prosecuted in full display to everyone to prove the honesty of the remainder, the more the expose and prosecute the more honest they are).

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    35. Re:Poor Nazis by smugfunt · · Score: 2

      Obviously that one is not, on the face of it, a hateful opinion in either sense of the phrase. But most of them are, and I was addressing the OP's overall point.
      Presumably the OP included it because it's the type of thing you often hear in debates over abortion. In that context it implies hate of the pro-choicer (child murderer!), an accusation most pro-choicer's would find hateful I imagine.

    36. Re:Poor Nazis by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is the double standard because the media is in the tank for particular ideologies. If the media was doing their job with basic research, no one would care. People would be calling out the instigators. But that's not the case. The media is right there if some pro-nationalist group(not white nationalist), person snaps and punches anyone and it degenerates into a brawl. But if some left wing group like antifa jumps the same group, or attacks a group of KKK members(like in california). The media is right there blaming those KKK members, or nationalists for those people "losing control" and attacking.

      The media is corrupt, the people who follow the same ideology are in charge of the largest social media platforms in the world. They go after only one type of ideology instead of applying it equally. It's not hard to be unbiased, apply things evenly. But it requires that the people can and know how to put their ideologies on a hanger. It's a learned skill. But that's not happening, it's the same reason why there was such a backlash against democrats in the US. And against Merkel in Germany, the rise of actual fascists in Greece. And why Brexit happened.

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    37. Re:Poor Nazis by tbannist · · Score: 3, Informative

      According to Harvard (in a letter helpfully posted below the first video) the first video was been purposely edited to make the speaker look bad, he was actually mocking his opponent's debate position (which had injected race into the debate) rather than making a serious argument.

      Kids, don't believe everything you see on YouTube, especially when it's a short 1 or 2 minute edited clip from a much longer event.

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    38. Re: Poor Nazis by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      Was that before or after they expropriated all foreign and Jewish owned businesses and got all the locally owned ones to step into line with threat of expropriation?

      The Nazi's always paid lip service to Marxist principles. Which is all any government has ever done. They were as 'left wing' as Venezuela/Cuba/N Korea is today. All it really means is 'We will take your shit without so much as a day in court if our eyes fall on it. If you squawk we will kill you.'

      Hitler was the richest man in the 20th century via the Mugabe plan. He just had a much bigger economy to leach off. Personally took 10% of every government contract as a kickback. Just like a 'good leftist'.

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  2. What about the far-left? by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've seen news articles about a lot of hate and violent threats towards Trump and others by people, but they aren't banned. Twitter really is as biased as I see in articles, even the ones posted to Slashdot.

    1. Re:What about the far-left? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a private company and they can do as they wish. They don't need to explain their actions to you or anyone else.

    2. Re:What about the far-left? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A private company in dire straights financially due to their disgusting fascist suppression and censorship. Good riddance to both them and individuals like yourself who use weaksauce excuses to turn a blind eye to it.

    3. Re:What about the far-left? by arth1 · · Score: 2

      Hating an individual is not a hate crime like hating entire groups for the color of their skin, who they love or how, or what their culture's top supernatural delusion is.

      If Trump feels there's a real threat, he's free to contact the authorities and Twitter. Groups don't have that ability, as no one speaks for all, and needs society to step in.

      And, of course, Twitter is in its full right to choose to be biased if they want to. That's a right that especially the right fights hard for, so I would think that they would fight for it even when it hits their own.

    4. Re:What about the far-left? by quantizationnoise · · Score: 2

      Most of the "cool" tech companies seem to lean left so this isn't too surprising. Slashdot is also left-leaning. I'm not really a trump fan but I am tired of the constant barrage of leftist ideals. Based on the results of this recent election I'm far from the only one.

    5. Re:What about the far-left? by penandpaper · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does that mean a baker doesn't have to bake a cake for a gay couple? They are both private companies, yet one gets to decide who uses their service based on political ideology.

      At least with Twitter it can be argued that it is a platform for speech and as such the law should reflect Twitters impact on political discourse and outcomes on elections. Just like a town-square you cannot be kicked out for racist speech and yes it doesn't mean you have to listen it (walk away or block people. the power is in the individual not the state). AT&T was determined critical and cannot limit its service on political ideology so there is legal precedent.

      Are platforms of speech critical to political discourse in the country and should they be protected? If not, then why is it different for a baker exercising their constitutionally protected religious belief with their private company?

    6. Re:What about the far-left? by rockabilly · · Score: 2

      I've seen news articles about a lot of hate and violent threats towards Trump and others by people, but they aren't banned. Twitter really is as biased as I see in articles, even the ones posted to Slashdot.

      This is not a troll statement. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you remove accounts for far right do the same for the opposite. Remove accounts for the Black Lives Matter group and all their vitriol they spew. Large sums of college students can clumped into this as well since they refuse to acknowledge anyone who may have a differing opinion to their own.
       

    7. Re: What about the far-left? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Who is a private company? Twitter, sir/madam, is not private. And as a decently-sized shareholder, their actions affect me.

      Then maybe they should have banned those fucktards six months ago, because it's specifically stated as reasons why DIS and CRM pulled their bids for TWTR. http://fortune.com/2016/10/18/twitter-disney-salesforce/

      Twitter's refusal to deal with the brigading and fuckery from the hard right and the hard meant that its shareholders got fucked to the tune of at least $5B given the widely rumored takeout valuation of $17-20B and its present-day market cap of $13B.

    8. Re:What about the far-left? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does that mean a baker doesn't have to bake a cake for a gay couple? They are both private companies, yet one gets to decide who uses their service based on political ideology.

      Nazis aren't a protected category. Also, being a Nazi is a choice.

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    9. Re: What about the far-left? by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who is a private company? Twitter, sir/madam, is not private. And as a decently-sized shareholder, their actions affect me.

      Then raise the issue at a shareholders' meeting. Good luck.

      The important point is that Twitter is not the government. And because of that, they're not obliged to protect anyone's right to free speech. When you're in their dojo, you play by their rules.

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    10. Re:What about the far-left? by mi · · Score: 5, Informative

      Being "private company" is, obviously, not enough of a defense, as Facebook just found out the hard way, for example. Evidently, some violent hate-groups — such as BLM and the rest of the "anti-Trump" crowd — are more equal than others.

      Has Twitter banned any of accounts calling for an assassination of the President-elect? For killing all White people? Obviously not.

      But, hey, it is a private company... Maybe. A good illustration on why "hate speech" must remain legal — because any enforcer will be just as biased as Twitter is proving themselves to be.

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    11. Re:What about the far-left? by penandpaper · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You sure about that?

      I like this gem from that article:

      Sara R. Neel, staff attorney with the ACLU of Colorado. “It’s important for all Coloradans to be treated fairly by every business that is open to the public – that’s good for business and good for the community.”

      Now, flip that around to the current /. article.

      Or:

      “While we all agree that religious freedom is important, no one’s religious beliefs make it acceptable to break the law by discriminating against prospective customers,” said Amanda C. Goad, staff attorney with the ACLU Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Transgender Project. “No one is asking Masterpiece’s owner to change his beliefs, but treating gay people differently because of who they are is discrimination plain and simple.”

      Let me do a little word swapping:

      “While we all agree that freedom of speech is important, no one’s speech make it acceptable to break the law by discriminating against prospective customers,” said staff attorney. “No one is asking Twitter’s owner to change their beliefs, but treating political opponents differently because of what they say is discrimination plain and simple.”

      emphasis on changes.

    12. Re:What about the far-left? by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Does that mean a baker doesn't have to bake a cake for a gay couple?

      Let's just try an experiment:

      Does that mean a baker doesn't have to bake a cake for a black couple?
      Does that mean a baker doesn't have to bake a cake for a Hindu couple?
      Does that mean a baker doesn't have to bake a cake for a Syrian couple?
      Does that mean a baker doesn't have to bake a cake for a dwarf couple?
      Does that mean a baker doesn't have to bake a cake for a Republican couple?

      When the right to free speech conflicts with the right to equal protection, you have to decide which right wins. The correct decision is the latter.

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    13. Re: What about the far-left? by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Who is a private company? Twitter, sir/madam, is not private. And as a decently-sized shareholder, their actions affect me.

      In other words, you think Twitter is a government agency because you own shares.

      If Twitter can kick off Nazis, can Slashdot please kick off idiots?

    14. Re:What about the far-left? by Holi · · Score: 4, Informative

      In Oregon LGBT is a protected class since 2007. The bakery did break the law.

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    15. Re:What about the far-left? by Holi · · Score: 3, Informative
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    16. Re:What about the far-left? by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's no secret that BLM incites violence against white people and cops,

      Reference to the BLM policy supporting "inciting violence against white people and cops", please.

      As for them protesting and practicing civil disobedience, I'm terribly sorry that their feeling the need to draw attention to the (statistically demonstrable) greater likelihood of an unarmed black person being killed by the police and similar issues is inconveniencing you. I'm sure they never would have done so if they had known that they might have made you late for a dinner party.

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    17. Re:What about the far-left? by mi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Has anyone been threatened or harassed directly by those accounts, and did they complain?

      Raising the bar, aren't you? Do you sincerely doubt, Twitter would've waited for someone to file a formal complaint before permanently banning anyone calling for murder of the President-elect Clinton?

      Do you know, who filed such a complaint against Milo, when the "dangerous faggot" was banned by Twitter?

      Dual standard much?

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    18. Re: What about the far-left? by spire3661 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First of all you are conflating Free Speech and the First Amendment. The ideal of Free Speech is not bounded by the First, they are distinct things. We can say that Twitter engaging in this kind of censorship is wrong, even if its not illegal. Life is bigger than the law.

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    19. Re:What about the far-left? by Holi · · Score: 4, Informative

      So if you read that, you will see that the damages were awarded for the denial of service and not the release of the complainants information.

      The op and I were wrong.

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    20. Re:What about the far-left? by CajunArson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So people only have rights if you decided that they've been discriminated against -- as a class and not individually I might add -- in the past?

      You know who else said that? Hitler. He rose to power based on a message that the Germans as a class were being oppressed and unfairly blamed for everything bad that happened in WW1. In his mind he was just as oppressed as you claim anyone else is, and you both place your arbitrary assignment of who gets to have rights or not based on that irrational subjective emotional perspective.

      This is what happens when you decide that laws and principles don't matter just as long as you get to arrive at the emotionally-correct "result" where all those people you don't like can be sent off to the camps.

      Just remember that Hitler literally agreed with EVERYTHING you are saying. He just swapped "gay" or "jew" with Nazi based on his subjective emotional feelings to come to his conclusion. His irrational emotions are just as valid as your irrational emotions, just as his stupid conclusion is just as invalid as your stupid conclusion.

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    21. Re:What about the far-left? by penandpaper · · Score: 2

      Threats and harassment are already illegal. Hate speech and racism is not illegal. Twitter decides the policy by which their users can operate in regards to a right of the citizens. The baker and AT&T cannot.

      No one is arguing if threats should be illegal. It is about the offensive 'hate speech' which is in question. just like AT&T cannot limit the service it provides based on political ideology because it was deemed critical, should twitter get a pass even though they have an impact on the elections? It is a question about criticality in comparison to AT&T or Twitter.

    22. Re: What about the far-left? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      Can we apply that concept to bakers who refuse to do gay wedding cakes, too?

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    23. Re: What about the far-left? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      And it's probably true, when you're living in a society where the average person commits 7 crimes per day. Stop a random black person and you can probably find something that they're doing that's illegal. Don't stop a random white person and you won't find anything that they're doing that's illegal. Sample bias is a wonderful thing.

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    24. Re:What about the far-left? by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If leftist means being open to diversity, ...

      If only.

      "Leftists" celebrate all kinds of diversity of everything except thought. When it comes to thought, only right-think is allowed; wrong-think and thought-crime are severely punished. Look how the left attacks people in otherwise protected groups when they commit thought-crime. Milo, Anne Coulter, Michelle Maulkin, Clarence Thomas, Laura Ingram, Col. Alan West, Herman Caine... etc., etc.

      (This should not necessarily be taken as an unqualified endorsement of any of these examples... Coulter, especially, seems to have run right off the rails in the past few years.)

    25. Re:What about the far-left? by Kielistic · · Score: 2

      I can think of a couple more:

      1. You're overly aggressive and smug demeanor is a very unclear way to communicate
      2. You simply aren't as smart as you think you are and are incapable of communicating clearly
      3. You are actively being disingenuous and purposefully missing the point while labeling someone (possibly anyone) you disagree with as Nazi or stupid

      I don't really know what drives you to be as active on slashdot as you are with your attitude. If you actually cared about progressing the issues you claim to care about take some constructive criticism and realize that the way you go about it is very very wrong.

      My guess is that the real reason is a superiority complex paired with crippling insecurities. I'm already fairly certain I've predicted your thought process from this: didn't congratulate me on shouting down Nazis -> alt-right -> alt-right=racist -> racist=Nazi -> introspection averted.

  3. Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One account suspended merely replaced the word "black" with "white" to show the double standard Twitter has with race. For instance, someone would tweet "Can't wait for white people to go extinct" and the account would replace white with black. The person using the "white" tweet was never suspended.

    1. Re:Irony by xvan · · Score: 2

      That's the alt-right point, Non-Hispanic Whites are 61.8% of the population, they're not an overwhelming majority and "they may be outbred" faster than new immigrants can be assimilated.
      By 2040 they will stop being majority using official projections http://www.census.gov/populati...
      The argument is that if there can be a gay pride, and a black pride, there must also exist a white pride and people being ashamed of being whites should go fuck themselves. The argument is consistent.

      Disclaimer: Mexican, not living in US, not Nazi apologist.

    2. Re:Irony by Gilgaron · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah I enjoy both Oktoberfest and St Patrick's Day. The complaint in my eyes looks more like 'hey, we're victims, too!' Everyone wants to get the moral high ground of being suppressed more, and thusly everyone subverts any potential for real dialog.

  4. don't know their right from their left by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't understand. It is the left that is engaging in hate speech, and even physical violence. They are rioting, advocating the assassination of the President-elect, and denouncing democracy in this country. And they are blaming others for their own faults and criminal actions. Sounds like Twitter is going after the wrong people.

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    1. Re:don't know their right from their left by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      This is not a troll statement.

      Yeah it is, because it has little to do with the topic at hand. Twitter band some people for posting crap. It's impossible to riot on twitter because it requires a physical presence, and twitter has neither the authority nor the staff to remove rioters from whereever it is they are rioting.

      Basically the post is dragging up irrelevant stuff to get a response, i.e. trolling.

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    2. Re:don't know their right from their left by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      This story happens to be about alt-right groups, but Twitter has begun taking all threats of violence seriously.

      I guess that's why organizations like CON(which is supported by Feminist Frequency) are still on Twitter's "trust and safety council" right? Despite that they've actively harassed and doxed people. Which of course is why groups like BLM are still on there, after engaging in violence. Or why they don't really go after terrorist group accounts until it reaches a point that they can no longer ignore it. And then we can get into the various verified accounts which openly call for violence, doxing, and harassment...but don't get a slap on the wrist at all. Not even a temporary ban...unless it hits the news.

      Nope sorry. There's two sets of rules on Twitter, one for them and their ideological buddies. One for everyone else. Now if they actually are going after those on the left, it's only taken them 5 years.

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    3. Re:don't know their right from their left by Verdatum · · Score: 2
      Sooo, I looked at your links. The sort of actions CON appears to be doing are on the order of taking Trolls who are harrassing them pseudo-anonymously and revealing those actions to their employers. That's fine. Zoe Quinn found herself stuck in a shit-bomb of a reality show and she decided to sabotage it? That's fine too. Show me where a person is threatening violence via twitter in any manner other than self-defense.

      When people talk about BLM engaging in violence, every time I look into it, it's just someone getting violent at a peaceful protest. Arrest that violent dumbass and move on. BLM is a slogan, it's a hashtag, it's a loose organization with no hierarchy. Anyone is able to do anything they like and claim to be acting under the name of BLM. So there's no entity to shut down. You just shut down the people who behave inappropriately. If you see one on twitter, report them.

  5. Twitter is now arbiter of truth by sinij · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whatever you think of alt-right (hopefully, not too well), this move by Twitter establishes itself as an arbiter of norms and values.

    As a nation we value our freedom of speech. We tolerate even the likes of Westboro Church. We tolerate this because unless deplorable people have the right to speak freely, there could be no freedom of speech. It must be that absolute. Unfortunately, it was made clear that Twitter doesn't share our national values.

    1. Re:Twitter is now arbiter of truth by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That tolerance doesn't extend to private companies. You are free to disagree with a private organization, you are free to even refuse to deal with it, but they have a right to set the rules of remove anyone they don't feel they want.

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    2. Re:Twitter is now arbiter of truth by sinij · · Score: 2

      This is meaningless distinction. Discussions over Twitter are very much in a public space. Pretty much by definition.

    3. Re:Twitter is now arbiter of truth by penandpaper · · Score: 2

      Indeed, when you silence an idea it only makes that idea grow and fester. The KKK has been religated to a few hundred die hard racists because everyone could see the stupidity for their own on display. But with actions we see from the left, like Twitter, you get people taking violent action to shut down peoples constitutional right to protest which galvanize support and give them sympathy.

      Let the racists speak and their stupidity is on full display. Silence them with violence and no-platforming tactics creates sympathy and the illusion that they are speaking truth to power as they are now appear oppressed by the established norms that grew out of rejecting their bullshit ideas.

    4. Re:Twitter is now arbiter of truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is meaningless distinction.
      Maybe in your mind, but not in the mind of the courts. The first amendment is a limitation on the powers of government, not a limitation of what a private company can limit speech.

      And you're right, Twitter (as a company) DOESN'T share our national values on their platform. That's because they're a company, not a country or government. If someone came into your house, started yelling at you about white nationalism, you'd likely kick them out. Twitter has that same right.

      Now... whether this is a good thing, and whether twitter should have suspended the accounts of white nationalists is another thing altogether. But the point is that if Twitter wants to take away the megaphone that they provided, funded, and developed, that's their business.

  6. Peter Theil by tekrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, I see an echo chamber that the far right creates their OWN version of twitter, kind of like how the right created their own "news" organization.

    And so begins the true divide in the country, where the fox news people feed their own echo chamber via alt-twitter, and the liberals have msnbc and twitter.

    And the two sides never speak to each other.

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  7. Ahh... by argStyopa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's so charming to watch the Liberal Left endorse censorship without the slightest trace of irony.

    You guys really DON'T get it, do you? Or do you think the various actors and their sympathies today will /forever/ agree with your personal morality?

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  8. Re:"I disapprove of what you say... by sinij · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a progressive, for quite some time I watched in horror as Left turned deeply Regressive. They have no idea that censorship apparatus that they are building will be quickly turned on them.

  9. Do both Ends of the Spectrum by rockabilly · · Score: 2

    Don't forget to remove accounts from the Far/ "Alt-Left" too. For example, the Black Lives Matter group and all their threatening vitriol they spew. Large sums of college students can be clumped into this as well since they refuse to acknowledge anyone who may have a differing opinion to their own and end up labeling them with an 'ism'. Don't forget the groups who are calling on riots a.k.a protests to occur in major cities.

    Just to name a few...

    1. Re:Do both Ends of the Spectrum by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, the left wing equivalent of the "Alt-Right" is the "Ctrl-Left".

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  10. "anti-hate group"? by jcr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The SPLC is nothing of the kind. They are a left-wing propaganda outlet.

    -jcr

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  11. Re:"I disapprove of what you say... by Verdatum · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I will not defend your right to actively attempt to make people feel unsafe using threats of violence. I will not defend your right to attempt to incite riots. I will not defend your right to shout "fire!" in a crowded building. The concept of non-protected speech exists for good reason.

  12. The paradox of tolerance [Re:Poor Nazis] by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 2

    I'm sorry but tolerating hate is not tolerance, it's cowardice

    That's the paradox of tolerance.

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    1. Re:The paradox of tolerance [Re:Poor Nazis] by tripleevenfall · · Score: 2

      Ideas have a right to exist.

  13. Thanks Twitter. by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

    Streisand Effect is in full play now. People I've never heard about because they have already been mainly marginalized are not FRONT PAGE of Slashdot.

    Excellent work there.

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  14. misleading headline by tchdab1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Headline falsely implies that the accounts were deleted because they were alt-right or far-right, when they were deleted because they used hate speech. Not a bias in viewpoint, but a cap on hate speech.

  15. Re:You're comparing a knee-jerk reaction to fear by SmokeyRobot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A bit of hyperbole is to be expected in the face of what's coming (hope you're health, you're about to lose pre-existing condition coverage unless you're rich enough to pay for COBRA).

    Oh you mean one of the two parts of the ACA that Trump just agreed with and said he would keep on 60 minutes. I am not even a Trump supporter but the spread of misinformation and bullshit from the left at this point is absolutely horrendous. It went from sites on the right doing it to switching to the left. The man isn't even in office yet. By all means though don't let facts get in the way of your fear-mongering.

  16. Ob. xkcd by XXongo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sorry but tolerating hate is not tolerance, it's cowardice

    It doesn't matter, the USA has enshrined freedom of speech in its Constitution. Or is this freedom only good when liberal elites use it to their advantage ?

    Freedom of speech doesn't mean that a particular non-government platform has to tolerate your speech on their site.

    here it is explained by Randall Munroe: xkcd
    (don't forget to read the mouseover text).

    1. Re:Ob. xkcd by pastafazou · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unless you're a cake maker...in that case, you can't refuse to make a cake because you disagree with what the customer wants written on it...

    2. Re:Ob. xkcd by YouGotTobeKidding · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Bullshit.

      At one point AT&T / 'Ma Bell' were private entity that could do what they like. Now they are regulated. Once society feels something is important enough / would hinder human interaction enough... it can indeed be regulated much like MOST non-gov entities in existance. Facebook and Twitter have already surpassed that standard. These companies make use of a publicly created and funded system: the internet. They can not have it both ways and claim to be private and still benefit from the public. Much like a taxi cab company can not use the public roads and discriminate against groups of people.

      That or are you OK with the phone companies all not selling to black people, women, homosexuals, and other groups... as they are simply a 'private platform'?

    3. Re:Ob. xkcd by TheReaperD · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Part of free speech is NOT being free from the consequences of said speech. If you act like an asshole (such as a business discriminating against gays, in this instance), you can be subject to public denouncement, boycotts and civil litigation from the affected parties and it can lead to you being shut down as a business, as it happened in this case. Also, the federal government has, and some states expand upon, a list of protected classes of individuals that you may not discriminate against based on certain criteria. You don't get to refuse to service anyone, rent them a home, give a loan, etc. on the basis of someone's race, for example, as that has nothing to do with their ability to pay, perform a service or do a job. If you discriminate based on these criteria (they're easy to look up), you're breaking the law in addition to the above possible consequences. So. TL;DR: Yes, you can be an asshole to black people, gay people, etc. just be prepared to suffer the public consequences.

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    4. Re:Ob. xkcd by rastos1 · · Score: 2

      I'm bit out of the loop, so could you, please, help me out: I understand that if I express my views on Slashdot and Slashdot does not like them, they can remove my posts. Their server, their rules. That's fine. Now I have my own domain and my own hosting. Can the NIC (which is a private entity) delist my domain because they don't like the content? Can the web hosting company (another private company) cancel my hosting, because they don't like my content? Can their upstream provider (yet another private company) ask my web hosting to remove my content under the threat of canceling the connectivity? How deep does this go? Is the only protected form of the speech the soap box in the park?

    5. Re:Ob. xkcd by Tharkkun · · Score: 2

      Bullshit. At one point AT&T / 'Ma Bell' were private entity that could do what they like. Now they are regulated. Once society feels something is important enough / would hinder human interaction enough... it can indeed be regulated much like MOST non-gov entities in existance. Facebook and Twitter have already surpassed that standard. These companies make use of a publicly created and funded system: the internet. They can not have it both ways and claim to be private and still benefit from the public. Much like a taxi cab company can not use the public roads and discriminate against groups of people. That or are you OK with the phone companies all not selling to black people, women, homosexuals, and other groups... as they are simply a 'private platform'?

      One example is discrimination. The other is not pandering or supporting hate or terrorist speech. They are two completely different things. Freedom of speech is only protected when it is peaceful. Once it becomes hate speech you are subject to state and federal laws. Businesses are liable as well when supporting your platform of hate. None of that has to do with refusing to sell services to a specific race. That is illegal.

    6. Re:Ob. xkcd by lexman098 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can absolutely refuse to make a cake if the customer wants something you think is offensive written on it. You just can't refuse to make a normal generic wedding cake for someone who's gay.

    7. Re:Ob. xkcd by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

      You can absolutely refuse to make a cake if the customer wants something you think is offensive written on it. You just can't refuse to make a normal generic wedding cake for someone who's gay.

      What exactly is the difference? Some people find gays being married offensive. Some people find declawing cats offensive. Some people find abortions offensive. Some people find a 40 year old marrying a 4 year old offensive. Some people find religion offensive. What if I am offended by a cake that says
      "Jesus is the only way"? What if I'm offended by someone wanting me to draw a giant penis on a cake? What if I'm muslim and I'm offended by a picture
      of jesus on the cross or a picture of Mohammad? Should a muslim have to violate their belief to draw a picture of Mohammad on a cake?

      What is really the difference between a photographer that says he doesn't want to do nude photos and a photographer who says he doesn't want to attend a gay wedding as a professional photographer? I guarantee that there are plenty of photographers out there that would refuse to do pictures of someone with a swastika or old dixie.

      Sure, if they want a generic cake, then sell them a generic cake. If it was a generic cake then how exactly did they even know that they were gay?
      Wedding cake designers and wedding photographers are an integral part of the celebration. Wedding photographers even have to attend the ceremony.
      Professional performers routinely practice discretion when deciding what events to be part of. Try to organize a KKK meeting and see how many speakers,
      cake decorators, photographers, etc... that you can get to willing participate in your event.

    8. Re: Ob. xkcd by Atomic+Fro · · Score: 2

      Which circles back to can you censor ideas you don't agree with on your platform? If you say the cake maker has to serve people he doesn't like, then the cake maker must also put tweets on his cake even if he doesn't agree with it.

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    9. Re:Ob. xkcd by lexman098 · · Score: 2

      What exactly is the difference? Some people find gays being married offensive. Some people find declawing cats offensive. Some people find abortions offensive. Some people find a 40 year old marrying a 4 year old offensive. Some people find religion offensive. What if I am offended by a cake that says "Jesus is the only way"? What if I'm offended by someone wanting me to draw a giant penis on a cake? What if I'm muslim and I'm offended by a picture of jesus on the cross or a picture of Mohammad? Should a muslim have to violate their belief to draw a picture of Mohammad on a cake?

      The difference is the cake vs the person buying the cake. You described a bunch of things to put on the cake.

      If it was a generic cake then how exactly did they even know that they were gay?

      Does it matter? Are you arguing it's not possible for them to find out the person's gay if they don't request a huge penis on the cake?

      Wedding photographers even have to attend the ceremony.

      Which answers one of your previous questions.

      Try to organize a KKK meeting and see how many speakers, cake decorators, photographers, etc... that you can get to willing participate in your event.

      This makes sense if they want people to take pictures of a burning cross and write "white power" on a cake. This isn't really that complicated...

    10. Re: Ob. xkcd by D00MSlayer · · Score: 2

      There's a difference between freedom of speech and discrimination(based on gender/race/sexual preference). Twitter has the right to block whoever they want from speaking on their platform, because that is based on the person's opinions and statements, and not what they are. The cake maker can also refuse service to anyone they want. It's when they say it's because the customer is gay/different race/different gender that they run into trouble.

    11. Re: Ob. xkcd by D00MSlayer · · Score: 2

      "Part of free speech is NOT being free from the consequences of said speech."

      I'm so tired of hearing this shit. How is that ANY different from oppressive countries? "Although you do have freedom of speech in this country, since you said a mean word against dear leader you get a bullet to the head." Well folks at least we have freedom of speech! What a load of horse shit you spew.

      I think you're confusing the two concepts..

      Again... You can say whatever you want! The government can't arrest you for saying the president is a giant ass-munching child molester who loves to torture little puppies. It doesn't mean we won't call you an asshole and publicly shame you for being such an asshole. The difference is you aren't being arrested and shipped off to Guantanamo Bay. Maybe you should go stay in Turkey for a year so you can truly appreciate the freedom of speech we have in the US.

    12. Re:Ob. xkcd by D00MSlayer · · Score: 2

      You don't understand. You are free to say what you want(shot of verbally threatening someone with physical violence). I can't arrest you; the government can't arrest you. The 1st amendment is protected speech from the GOVERNMENT, not other private citizens. If you say rude dick-ish things the 1st amendment doesn't prevent other people from calling you an asshole and ignoring you.

      In this case Twitter said that someone was using their platform to spread hate and being an asshole, so they called him an asshole and kicked him off their podium. They are not a government entity, so it's within their rights to do that. Now if the entire alt-right movement boycotted twitter, that's fine and perfectly legal. It won't really affect them, because twitter would be better off without a group of insufferable assholes with an irrational hatred of non-whites.

      People like to bring up the bakery who refused to bake a cake for a gay couple. They said that they refused from serving the gay couple because their religion prevents them from baking a cake for gay people. They can say that, but others will likely boycott them, and seeing how gay people are a mostly accepted group of people, their business will likely suffer from it. They won't be arrested by the government.. they may get fined for discrimination against a protected class of people, but they won't serve time and they won't be closed down by the government.

  17. Re:Maybe tolerance is a stupid idea by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

    Actually, some of us (most of us, hopefully) don't set up a model that we hope to coerce all of society to fit.

    I mean, for goodness sake. Live and let live.

  18. Re:"I disapprove of what you say... by sinij · · Score: 2

    Why are you a progressive? Seriously.

    Big picture stuff, like getting to Mars and so on. Self-interest and markets will take us only so far.

  19. Re:Poor Liberal Nazis by OhPlz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Your link doesn't relate. It cites one incident with one individual and some various minor events like church fires. Meanwhile, you look to the west coast where mobs of people are marching down the street smashing every window on every shopfront they can find, destroying vehicles, attacking passers-by. They don't compare. They are not at all alike. A church fire is not a riot. One individual assaulted by another in an isolated setting is not a riot. Worse, if the right were truly as violent and revolutionary as many suggest, there would have been mass shootings during riots the likes of which the country hasn't seen since the civil war. That didn't happen, not even remotely close. Some people carried some protest signs suggesting it, but it was protest. Unlike now, with mass destruction of property and violent assaults perpetrated by the angry mobs of protesters.

  20. Regulation, when and why by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Informative

    That didn't just "happen" to them. They got regulated in exchange for access to a market in which they would exercise a near- or complete-monopoly.

    If you want to make an argument that Twitter has a near-monoply on... um, tweeting, or that Facebook has a near-monopoly on communicating among people in general, and you are able to reasonably contend that these things are important to society then you might want to make an argument for regulation and see if you can make it fly.

    Both companies use their terms of service to say "you over here can participate, but you over there can't" one way or another, and in a fairly arbitrary manner. They also restrict what you can do if they do let you use their service. And they are both pretty much the only real serious game in town for their respective functions in society. So you might have an argument. But that's the way you have to present it if you want it to even have a chance of flying. Seems to me your chances are overall better with Facebook, as they really do have a stranglehold on general interaction and friendly-to-the-general-public networking, which does indeed affect society in general in a very broad and powerful sense. Tweeting... I don't know. Maybe. I can't see it, personally. If you take my 140 characters away from me, I will just laugh at you. I think I would take being cut off from the vast majority of the people I have met over my lifetime and my extended family much more seriously. If I used Facebook and cared, which I don't, either one. :)

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  21. Re:Lack of data. by eaglesrule · · Score: 2

    When you elect a candidate who has run his campaign on racism, hate speech, sexism and intolerance, violence is what you're going to get.

    Given what we've seen from Trump's opposition, that isn't an idle threat:

    - paid protestors to incite violence and shut down political rallies
    - politically affiliated mobs marching down NYC streets chanting for the death of law enforcement
    - People being beaten on the street for who they show political support for.

    Here's something to take back to whatever leftist echo chamber spawned you: 'Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty' is not a good strategy for convincing fair minded people to support you, and relies on ignorance in an information age.