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Tesla 'Easter Egg' Makes the World's Fastest Car Even Faster (bloomberg.com)

The world's fastest-accelerating car is about to get even faster. Tesla's high-end Model S will soon be able to go from zero to 60 miles per hour in just 2.4 seconds, following a software enhancement next month that shaves off a 10th of a second. That's a new threshold that distinguishes it from any other production car on the road. From a report on Bloomberg: Tesla Motors CEO Elon Musk teased the update in a tweet on Wednesday -- but there's a twist. When the changes are delivered wirelessly next month to all P100D Model S vehicles, the owners will have to figure out how to enable it. It's what's known in the tech industry as an "Easter Egg" -- a hidden feature that requires a specific series of gestures to unlock. These speeds are crazy fast. For perspective, the Model S already outpaces sold-out supercars with tiny production runs, such as Ferrari's $1.4 million LaFerrari, Porsche's $845,000 918 Spyder, and Bugatti's $2.3 million Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse. Tesla's seven-seat Model X SUV will also shed a 10th of a second, putting it on a par with a $1.15 million McLaren P1.

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  1. PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Ok..I LOVE the performance of the Tesla, now, PLEASE make a version that looks once again like a sports car, and not like a family sedan.

    If they could make one with this performance, and in the ballpark range of a Vette, man..I'd be in the market for that immediatly.

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    1. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      Maybe they need both. I would much rather have one that looks like a family sedan than a sports car. The flashier a car looks the more likely the cops are to pull you over, the more likely someone will steal it, the more likely you are to be recognized on the road.

      I know I'm not the only one who would prefer a "supercar" performance in a "Toyota Camry chassis" sedan.

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    2. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Rei · · Score: 1

      They've stated that they do plan to produce a new generation of Roadsters in the future. But obviously things like the Model 3 take top priority; I'd imagine even the rumored Tesla pickup truck will come first.

      But do expect that down the line. With another 5-10 years of advancements, the performance should be unreal.

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    3. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      They are going to launch a new Roadster in 2019. I hope you have $100k to spend on it.

    4. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by geekmux · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ok..I LOVE the performance of the Tesla, now, PLEASE make a version that looks once again like a sports car, and not like a family sedan.

      If they could make one with this performance, and in the ballpark range of a Vette, man..I'd be in the market for that immediatly.

      Sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree.

      There's nothing like driving around something that can snack on a Vette and eat an Ferrari for lunch, that looks like the family wagon. Talk about a sleeper...

    5. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      You got a lot of personal issues, don't you? Having to use a car to make a statement about yourself? That's pretty sad.

      No...I, like many others genuinely LOVE good looking cars, that have high performance.

      For many of us, a car is NOT merely a means to get from point A to point B.

      I've never owned a car in my life that had more than 2 functional seats (I did lose a Porsche 911 Turbo to Katrina that "technically" had 4 seats, but you couldn't actually fit a human being back there). This is the type car I love and feel is worth the investment in, not that I really give a damn about what other folks think, but something that gives me an extreme amount of pleasure every time I sit down in the thing and fire it up. An innocuous trip up the road to Walgreens, is an adventure to me...

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    6. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by PvtVoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The flashier a car looks ... the more likely someone will steal it

      ...

      I know I'm not the only one who would prefer a "supercar" performance in a "Toyota Camry chassis" sedan.

      In actual fact, the most frequently stolen vehicle is the Honda Accord. The Camry is #5.

    7. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As opposed to those making troll comments...

    8. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      The flashier a car looks the more likely the cops are to pull you over, the more likely someone will steal it, the more likely you are to be recognized on the road.

      1. That's what Radar Detectors and CB radios are for (yes, they are still a valuable tool ).

      2. If they steal it..well, that's what insurance is for.

      3. I'm not really trying to be anonymous while out on the road. Not trying to be seen, but not necessarily having a problem with friends noticing I'm out and about.

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    9. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ohh how very modern of you. "I'm above it all because I'm going to make an anonymous post-consumerist statement on the Internet, while at the same time making myself feel better by belittling others."

      Fuck off, hipster. Why do you give a shit about what makes him / her happy? Are you so bitter that you have to try to dash others' wants in an attempt to bring them down to your little depressed dumpster fire of an existence?

      Go listen to some emo music and cry yourself to sleep. Do us all a favor and go away.

    10. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Radar detectors are illegal in most states/countries.

    11. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or at least stop making them uglier. The new Model S is starting to get some of the ugly features I didn't like in the Model 3 and X.

    12. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      What about per vehicle made? There are a lot more Camrys made than Mclarens.

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    13. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by uncqual · · Score: 2

      It would also need a powerful speaker so it sounds like a sports car. Perhaps you could pick from what vehicle you want your car to sound like. Maybe on Monday you feel like a LaFerrari while on Thursday 918 Spyder seems right. Might as well toss in Atlas 5 or a Falcon 9 (with explosion option) in the mix as well.

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    14. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Get pulled over with a radar detector on your dash and that's a guaranteed ticket! Without one, you stand a chance of escaping with just a warning.

      In all likelihood, not sure your age, so I could be off here, but it could be an age thing. When I was in my 20s I would have thought a flashy looking car would be better. Once I hit my thirties and long time married, I still would love a performance machine, but the last thing I'd want is some flashy looking car that makes me stand out from a crowd.

      Let me blend in with the crowd... until I leave them in my dust and they sit wondering "what was that thing?"

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    15. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Apostalypse · · Score: 1

      I had an audi S4 estate (wagon to the USAians), which managed to be almost that. Very low key looks, 350BHP V8. It was very satisfying to see the look on the kids faces as the family car with roof rails effortlessly pulled away from their screaming Honda.

    16. Re: PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honda Accord of mid 90s to mid 2000s because they have a steering wheel that you can stash lots of things in.... mostly illegal...

    17. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      My friend, I imagined the scene and found it VERY funny. Thanks for the laughs!

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    18. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by KingMotley · · Score: 4, Informative

      The only state they are illegal in is Virginia.

    19. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by halltk1983 · · Score: 1

      Mid 5 to mid 4 0-60 times. You're off by a couple seconds. http://www.zeroto60times.com/v...

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    20. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by tehcyder · · Score: 4, Funny

      As an alternative to spending a lot of money on a sports car, you could just buy a t-shirt with the slogan "I've got a tiny penis" as it would convey exactly the same message at a fraction of the cost.

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    21. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only state they are illegal in is Virginia.

      Which is strange, because VA cops use lasers.

      And now we have Waze which works better than any radar detector.

    22. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      What about per vehicle made? There are a lot more Camrys made than Mclarens.

      Its a lot easier and I'm guessing more lucrative to take a common car like a Camry to a chop shop and break it into parts for resale than a McLaren.

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    23. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      And all these years M$ have been issuing patches that make things slower

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    24. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Law Enforcement (at least once) has tried to go after WAZE, for "Stealing" revenue.

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    25. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Dorianny · · Score: 1

      In actual fact, the most frequently stolen vehicle is the Honda Accord. The Camry is #5.

      3600,000 honda accords are sold each year. Even if you went out and stole every Model S in the world (all 125,000 sold so far) you still wouldn't budge it from the most stolen list

    26. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The flashier a car looks the more likely the cops are to pull you over, the more likely someone will steal it, the more likely you are to be recognized on the road.

      And yet, there are plenty of people who are happy to buy a flashy car (and pay a lot of money for it) despite your concerns.

      Tesla used to make a Roadster model. It's a pretty good bet there would be a strong market of willing buyers if they decided to bring it back.

      The problem for all those willing buyers is that the path that Tesla is taking -- ie pushing toward a self-driving vehicle -- is absolutely not the kind of thing that would interest a sports car owner. Sports car owners want to actually drive their cars; they want to feel like they're one with the machine; they feel every bump of the road and the the car reacts to their slightest twitch on the controls. This isn't what Tesla is about any more, which is why there probably won't be another Tesla roadster.

    27. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by rlk · · Score: 1

      To what end? It gives you sports car performance (and then some) while still being able to carry people and schtuff like a family sedan.

      Pull up at a light next to a Lambo...

    28. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you would. They would even make movies about it.

    29. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by PvtVoid · · Score: 1

      Its a lot easier and I'm guessing more lucrative to take a common car like a Camry to a chop shop and break it into parts for resale than a McLaren.

      Precisely. How the hell are you going to fence a Bugatti Veyron?

    30. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      3600,000 honda accords are sold each year.

      Try again:

      Thieves stole 53,995 Accords last year,

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    31. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an alternative to posting whiny quips on /., you could just by a t-shirt with the slogan "I've got adequate penis envy".

    32. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also the District of Columbia, but there is too much traffic to safely exceed the limit most of the time.

    33. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree.

      There's nothing like driving around something that can snack on a Vette and eat an Ferrari for lunch, that looks like the family wagon. Talk about a sleeper...

      The Tesla Model S is no sleeper now that it's been on the road for a few years. Anyone who knows anything about cars is aware of how fast these can be (though around here they're strictly status symbol cars that are always cruising at 10 under the limit.) For a car to be a sleeper it needs to be a souped up version of a car model that isn't normally fast.

    34. Re: PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scarcity and lacking givez me bonerz

    35. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by sexconker · · Score: 2

      LOL!

      Learn to read, kids!

    36. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my childhood My father drove us kids all around in a chevy suburban.
      One day on our way home from church, my father was playing classical music on the 8 speakers, and pulled up to the stop sign next to a little mazda convertible playing some sort of rap/pop music (I don't recall), younger guy and his girl friend (presumably)...

      The mazda reved it's little 4 banger, and my father responded by rolling down his window so the classical music could escape, and revving his own engine.

      The light turned green and the big chevy V8 sprang to live, launching the car forward much faster than the 4 banger convertible could manage.

      At the next light they pulled up next to us again, the girlfriend was laughing her ass off... the guy had his face hung low... my father added insult to injury by rolling down the back windows so us 5 kids could stick our heads out...

    37. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The flashier a car looks the more likely the cops are to pull you over

      That is how you would think it would be.
      But the cops know that someone who drives an expensive car can also afford an expensive lawyer.
      A cop with a bad day won't risk making it worse by pulling over the wrong guy. Better to pass on the bad day to someone that can't afford to make your day worse.

    38. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by anegg · · Score: 1

      When I was 17 I (briefly) had an early 1970's Chevrolet Vega panel express ( like the station wagon but with steel panels in the rear windows) that had its original low performance motor replaced by a V8 Corvette engine (a 327, if I recall correctly). It had to be driven carefully if there were any obstructions in the road (such as raised manhole covers where repaving was going to take place) because the exhaust headers went very close to the ground. But when you turned the key, a sweet exhaust sound emerged. And when you stomped on the gas... goodbye everything else. Low CG, low curb weight, high horsepower, looked like a cheap economy station wagon. That's a sleeper!

    39. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      Talk about a sleeper...

      You just reminded me of some of the sleepers I've read about and seen on youtube (which I can't find easily right now.... sigh...). Things like the Smart Diablo (a smart car with a hyabusa engine capable of smoking a ferrari). Or the 80's jetta that was upgraded with a high-powered audi turbo engine and AWD. Or even the Chevy car (think it was a caprice) that someone had modded with massive hot-rod tires and upgraded the engine to take something more like avgas.

      Personally, I would like to see something like the old VW beetle with a subaru boxer engine from an STI.

    40. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      Well, I think there are a lot of different ways to own a sportscar. Most sportscar owners just want to own it. Many want a car that impresses people. Some want to experience a bit of thrust and a nice sound. Some want performance figures. Some want to experience musclecars. Is that sportscars? Some just want to compete in the marketplace of attention.
      The hardcore driver that just wants to exercise skill , that just wants to drive? Tiny minority in the sportscar sector. So yes there's room for the Tesla Roadster.
      Not for people coming from a Lotus though.

    41. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      When people ask why I drive a smart. I just reply I'm compensating for something.

    42. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are several youtube videos of such vehicles.

    43. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I always wanted to do a V8 conversion on my focus, and get 1 inch bigger rims for the rear wheels (which would have been the drive wheels).

      I think it would have been beautifully subtly powerful.

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    44. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by haruchai · · Score: 1

      "With another 5-10 years of advancements, the performance should be unreal"
      I'd like to see something other than mere (although impressive) performance in the next 5-10 years.
      The acceleration of the base S70 is pretty darn good & the 3.2s 0-60 of the performance X90D can cause some to faint.

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    45. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty soon they will have the acceleration of dragster. And the range too!!!

    46. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Personally, I would like to see something like the old VW beetle with a subaru boxer engine from an STI.

      When the old VW bug was in production and common, there was this one upcountry law enforcement officer who made a little mod to his bug.

      He took out the back seat and installed a Ford Interceptor engine. (That was the souped-up model that Ford would only sell to police for their traffic enforcement vehicles (or people who knew the order code and could slip it into their new-vehicle purchase paperwork).)

      With the block entirely below the window line it made the car heavy and low-center-of-gravity enough to stay on the road during extreme maneuvers. Putting that much weight forward of the rear axle also kept drive-wheel traction up during acceleration.

      Speeders in HIS jurisdiction did NOT get away. And there were a bunch, because he could tootle along in a clear area and nobody would suspect it of being an unmarked police car.

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    47. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by the_other_chewey · · Score: 1

      How the hell are you going to fence a Bugatti Veyron?

      Longswords?

    48. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      So he was a speeder who liked to prey on people who thought they had found a place where they fool around without bothering anyone. Interesting person

    49. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Personally, I would like to see something like the old VW beetle with a subaru boxer engine from an STI

      That's becoming a somewhat common mod.

    50. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      vettes and ferraris arent made for 0-60 sprints, and theres a reason no one *races* teslas. Well, there's a few reasons. OK, a lot.

    51. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      It's a neat point. Though, I'd argue the opposite. 0-60 in 2.4 seconds without making a sound? The lack of sound makes it look like you're doing it effortlessly.

    52. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I misread the post.

      Nevertheless, if all Model S cars were stolen in one year, that would be more than the number of Accords stolen in that year.

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    53. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's nothing like driving around something that can snack on a Vette and eat an Ferrari for lunch, that looks like the family wagon. Talk about a sleeper...

      First of all, every car guy knows what a Tesla is and how fast it is. Second of all, it can "snack on" a Ferrari from 0-60 then get crushed from 60-120 or anytime you have to turn the steering wheel.

    54. Re: PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The beltway was marked something like 55, and I could easily drive 70 around most of it without worries.

      When I left there years ago they were increasing penalties for "aggressive driving" related charges. They always seemed much more interested in stuff like that then speeding in northern Virginia anyway.

    55. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      In the US, they are illegal in a commercial vehicle, and in the Commonwealth of Virginia.

      1 out of 50 != most states.

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    56. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      It gives me perverse pleasure that there is a Cadillac CTS-V Wagon.

      Now only if it wasn't a Cadillac.

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    57. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that then people would expect them to actually perform like a sports car. The current powertrain, while ideal for bragging about stoplight drag racing, cannot complete more than about a lap of most tracks in the US, without overheating.

    58. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Rei · · Score: 1

      What exactly would you like to see?

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    59. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Most of the time I only need 2 seats, but not always. There were a few times I gave my mom's friend a lift, and 4 seats were barely enough (her friend could be kindly described as "large").

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    60. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The only state they are illegal in is Virginia.

      Which is strange, because VA cops use lasers.

      With sharks!

    61. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Law Enforcement (at least once) has tried to go after WAZE, for "Stealing" revenue.

      I'm not a fan of the privacy risks from WAZE either....at the very least, I'm guessing it records your speeds at times and places, so couldn't that be used against you in a court of law if cops wanted it?

      But there's plenty about WAZE I was worried about when I read their TOS and what info they took and kept on you....just wasn't worth it to me.

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    62. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      In all likelihood, not sure your age, so I could be off here, but it could be an age thing. When I was in my 20s I would have thought a flashy looking car would be better. Once I hit my thirties and long time married, I still would love a performance machine, but the last thing I'd want is some flashy looking car that makes me stand out from a crowd.

      I'm WELL out of my 20's and 30's...and well, older than that..haha.

      My love for exotic and sporty looking cars has not dwindled in the least. Hell, if nothing, I love them even more now that I can really afford better, newer and more $$ cars. I don't buy them for anyone else, I've always bought them for ME to enjoy.

      If someone stops me and wants to look or talk about it, that's nice and if I have time, I do so. If some girls notice me because of it, I'm not opposed to exploiting that as a path of getting to talk to her and know her, etc. Hell, I've no problem with using most anything to open a conversation with the fairer sex.

      But that's not the primary reason I buy them. They give me joy every time I have to leave the house. I don't care if I stand out from the crowd, nor do I care if no one pays me attention. I generally don't care what other people, at least strangers, think of me. I don't have time for that. Life is too short not to live to the fullest of my ability, and enjoy it to my maximum capability.

      I find that especially as I get older, I try to live by those thoughts more and more each day. I only have a short time on earth left....so, I do everything I can each day to enjoy my time left here to the fullest.

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    63. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by morethanapapercert · · Score: 1
      And McLarens are far, FAR less likely to be parked on the street in front of the owners house or in the Local Wal-Mart parking lot.

      If you're a thief and want to steal a McLaren or other million dollar car, how do you find one that isn't alarmed, indoors, under CCTV monitoring and possibly guarded as well? Whereas, if you're in the market for a hot Camry, Accord or what have you, any public parking lot is sure to have a few to choose from.

      Also, if *I* owned a million dollar car, I'd definitely invest in Lo-Jack or similar GPS recovery system so that even if some hoodlum drags me out of the car at gunpoint while at a traffic light, he'd only have a few hours to find and disable the Lo-Jack before promptly re-locating the car to where it will actually be stripped or shipped out.

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    64. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMFG. How about furlongs per fortnight? Do you need the stats in Library of Congress units? God damned nerds...

    65. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Much better power-to-weight ratio is at the top of the list, which is not something Tesla can do much about unless they branch out into battery research.
      100 kWh in 1000 lbs is pretty poor compared to ICE despite all the other benefits.
      I've lived most of my life in very cold areas so better low-temp performance is also welcome

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    66. Re: PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      The Beltway only passes through DC on a tiny section at the Potomac crossing.

    67. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by scatbomb · · Score: 1

      Doesn't even need to look like a sports car. Just a fun little two-seater and I'm in.

    68. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Gussington · · Score: 1

      The only US state they are illegal in is Virginia.

      FTFY

    69. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Gussington · · Score: 1

      No...I, like many others genuinely LOVE good looking cars, that have high performance.

      Performance car is an oxymoron. If you want the fastest, most exciting possible trip between two points, get a motorcycle. If you want comfort, get a luxury sedan. Anything else is marketing.

      An innocuous trip up the road to Walgreens, is an adventure to me...

      Even more adventure if you do it on one wheel ;)

    70. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only safe place to fool around without bothering anyone is off the public road. As long as it's a public road with bicycle access or truck access, then you should never be fooling around. Go buy yourself a piece of land away from human residential areas with enough concrete to sustain your high speed maneuvers and I'll be happy for you. Otherwise you are selfish criminal who are tearing up the public roads; these roads are paid by truckers for the benefit of all drivers on public roads and we don't need your bullshit messing it up.

    71. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I still love the aesthetics of a well designed car. I'm finding I lack the tolerance for the discomfort some high performance cars would cause.

      For this reason I'd happily have something that doesn't look great if it gives me a good blend of performance and comfort. I'm probably turning into a Bentley customer :(

    72. Re: PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Driving a car is more than just accelerating, races for example are won in cornering. German cars like porsches, bmws etc cost more because of the ride and handling which are always better than American garbage...

    73. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Cederic · · Score: 1

      On a drag strip, sure, it makes a difference.

      Pulling away from traffic lights, both come in the same bucket: Fast.

      The S4 is a substantially more practical car, and anything under 8 seconds 0-60 tends to be adequate for daily driving.

    74. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Cederic · · Score: 1

      In the UK that's a non-issue. The police here almost delight in pulling over a flashy car. Class envy as much as anything.

      Do 95 in a Vauxhall and you're far more likely to get away with it than if you're in a Maseratti, and trust me, that's about the only thing the Vauxhall has going for it.

    75. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your carbon footprint?

    76. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Rei · · Score: 1

      Much better power-to-weight ratio is at the top of the list, which is not something Tesla can do much about unless they branch out into battery research.

      Actually, since they now actually are making their own supermassive battery production facility, it absolutely is their field now. Battery producers take lab techs, whether developed in-house or licensed from outside researchers, and turn them into commercial realities.

      Also, part of the max power you can get out of a pack depends on how the pack is built, not just the internal cell chemistry.

      100 kWh in 1000 lbs is pretty poor compared to ICE despite all the other benefits.

      I think you're confused. Are you meaning to talk about power density or energy density? You've been saying power, but kWh are energy.

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    77. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Energy density is more important. Tesla may tout the benefit of having the pack as the floor and what it does for lowering the center of gravity but I'd still prefer to see the battery pack be no bigger than a conventional gas tank. In several frontal crashes, the pack caught fire and in one incident 2 people were trapped & burned to death.
      A smaller pack located elsewhere in the frame would have a much lower risk of catching fire due to a collision

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    78. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by halltk1983 · · Score: 1

      The S4 is cheaper, but more practical? The model S seats 7 has a trunk up front, and gets an equivalent to 93 mpg in electricity cost, if you're not using a supercharger. But I agree with you, the acceleration is fine for daily driving on an S4, was just pointing out that the Tesla is in hypercar territory, not family-hauler territory.

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    79. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Rei · · Score: 1

      Energy density is more important.

      Then let's use the correct terms, shall we? If you mean energy density, don't say power density - they're not the same thing. :)

      but I'd still prefer to see the battery pack be no bigger than a conventional gas tank

      This is unfair. A battery pack may be a lot heavier than a gas tank, but an electric drivetrain is a lot lighter than a gas drivetrain. You need to compare total system mass, not just specific components.

      In several frontal crashes, the pack caught fire

      Sigh, this old canard? The rates of Teslas catching fire in accidents is much lower per mile than in gasoline cars. Gasoline car fires are far more common than most people realize, with 152k per year. Four people die in a a gasoline car fire per week. 90 gasoline cars catch fire per billion miles driven. Model S's hit a billion miles driven last year, and are probably double that by now. There's nowhere near the rate of fires per mile in the Model S as in gasoline cars. Not even close.

      Gasoline fires also expand to engulf vehicles far faster than most people think. There's been little difference in the rate of fire spread in Model S crashes vs. gasoline crashes.

      and in one incident 2 people were trapped & burned to death.

      You must be talking about the Indiana crash. There's been no statement as to whether they were killed in the fire or the crash, which occurred at very high speeds into a tree and then flipped. The impact was so powerful that the car disintigrated, leaving what as described as "a debris field over 150 feet". As of last week the statement was that the coroner was still awaiting toxicology reports before giving a cause of death. The statements we've seen so far was that the girl "died in the crash", and the guy was extracted from the wreckage (took 20 minutes) and brought to the hospital alive, but died there.

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    80. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by haruchai · · Score: 1

      "This is unfair. A battery pack may be a lot heavier than a gas tank, but an electric drivetrain is a lot lighter than a gas drivetrain"

      The ICE still has the advantage, for now. Despite the use of aluminium, the Model S is quite heavy, several hundred lbs heavier than a CTS-V Wagon, a 550 HP, 8-speed automatic transmission that runs a 3.9s 0-60 mph and has more cargo capacity

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    81. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Rei · · Score: 1

      Indeed. As a whole, ICEs are lighter. But the difference isn't anywhere near what a "battery pack vs. gas tank" comparison would suggest, because neither a battery pack nor a gas tank are an entire drivetrain. And EVs are advancing a lot faster than ICEs.

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    82. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Indeed. As a whole, ICEs are lighter. But the difference isn't anywhere near what a "battery pack vs. gas tank" comparison would suggest, because neither a battery pack nor a gas tank are an entire drivetrain. And EVs are advancing a lot faster than ICEs.

      Don't get me wrong.
      If I hit the lottery any time soon, I'm going to spoil the friends & family - and then I'm buying a Rimac Concept One.

      But I feel that some of the expectations about EVs have been overblown and I'm concerned that disappointment will kill interest, especially if the economy hits a rough patch. Folks may move more towards hybrids but not BEVs.

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    83. Re:PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by Rei · · Score: 1

      Just look at consumer satisfaction numbers. Tesla's are staggeringly high.

      That could be in good part to self-selection of consumers rather than "the cars are the best cars possible in the world". But at least at this point in time, I see no reason to think that "disappointment will kill interest". Those who've been buying these BEVs have been loving them.

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    84. Re: PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by billdale · · Score: 0

      Musk recently stated their intention to broaden the product base to pickups, semis, a d motorcycles, and to return to the Roadster. Given that the top Model S is a four-door sedan with optional seating for seven passengers, if they used the same frame, battery pack, etc., but with a two-door sports car body, the weight loss alone would decrease the elapsed time by another quarter of a second or so, putting it even further beyond the reach of any ICE-powered vehicles such as the Ferrari, which CEO Sergio Marchionne has sworn would always be purely mechanical with no hybrid or EV drive train. It is impossible to duplicate the quickness of a fully electric drive train in any fully ICE powered car; it would be even more out of reach for one that was not turbo or 4WD. But the Roadster would not simply get a 2-door body, but be re-engineered in every respect to optimize the total package for two passengers, shortening the frame and changing other components as well. Nothing will be able to challenge it,, such as a McLaren, Lamborghini, or Porsche, without a purpose-built EV drive train. We can probably expect sports car times to drop below 2 seconds. Marchionne's stubbornness regarding drive trains... no electrically-driven components...puts him in an awkward position: he will either have to accept that his machines going forward will never have the acceleration only possible by four-wheel-drive EVs, or will have to break his arrogant promise. I suspect at some point he will realize he must modernize with EV components at least as a drive train option, or risk losing business to the competition--- perhaps even risking bankruptcy by not being able to compete.

    85. Re: PLEASE...make a sports car again!! by billdale · · Score: 0

      The sports car sector will be evolving, like the entire car business. EVs, by nature, will always out-perform ICE vehicles in pure acceleration, but as EV tech---especially battery chemistry--- matures, EVs will become less expensive, longer range, and harder for ICE drive trains to compete. EV tech will make all cars quicker, simpler, and quieter... roaring exhausts will no longer be considered a sign of power and macho, and the EVs you suggest--- inexpensive Toyotas, Hondas and Subarus, for instance--- will be dominated by electric power plants. One of the nice aspects to EV drive trains is their ultra-simplicity--- none will have clutches, reverse gears, or torque converters. I have two EVs, and one of them has only five moving parts---no pistons, valves, rockers, cams, etc... ultra simple, efficient, easy to work on without all those moving parts, and virtually no maintenance.

  2. God Mode by itamblyn · · Score: 1
    1. Re:God Mode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:God Mode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My guess is IDDQD

      http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/Doo...

      I was hoping for the Konami code myself.

  3. Marketing Gimmicks are not Easter Eggs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Slashdot editors are so removed from news for nerds that they really post this shit. This is a marketing gimmick; it's being publicized deliberately. Easter eggs are hidden; this is not. Easter eggs are toys programmers leave behind, not a deliberate engineering design. How much did Musk pay for this astroturfing?

    1. Re:Marketing Gimmicks are not Easter Eggs by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      He didn't pay anything. He knows that desperate "content producers" like Slashdot follow his Twitter feed an will write a 2,000 speculative article on anything he Tweets out.

    2. Re:Marketing Gimmicks are not Easter Eggs by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Yeah, he's good at publicity.

      Where he falls apart is delivering on the promises. Even there he's doing better than some.

  4. Re:Not fastest car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Acceleration and speed are TWO DIFFERENT THIIIINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Ass wipe homo (lower the caps nugger threshold)

  5. What could possibly go wrong? by PvtVoid · · Score: 1, Interesting

    owners will have to figure out how to enable it

    No way could this end badly.

    1. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by geekmux · · Score: 4, Informative

      owners will have to figure out how to enable it

      No way could this end badly.

      The car is already insanely fast.

      I highly doubt gaining fractions of seconds on top of that via "Easter Egg" gestures that are tied to a single function that gets enabled is going to spell the end of the world. If you can't control your Tesla before this, then you probably shouldn't own one.

    2. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      owners will have to figure out how to enable it

      No way could this end badly.

      The car is already insanely fast.

      I highly doubt gaining fractions of seconds on top of that via "Easter Egg" gestures that are tied to a single function that gets enabled is going to spell the end of the world. If you can't control your Tesla before this, then you probably shouldn't own one.

      I think the parent's concern was with drivers trying all kinds of crazy things _while driving_ to turn this feature on...

    3. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he meant what could go wrong while people are trying to figure out the combination of gestures which are also used to control a car.

    4. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

      I think the issue is people being distracted trying to find the easter egg while driving.

    5. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by halltk1983 · · Score: 2

      It's hard to go 0-60 when you're starting at not-0. I strongly suspect it will, like almost all launch control programs, be available only prior to launch.

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    6. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Quirkz · · Score: 4, Funny

      If it isn't wiggling the steering wheel back and forth while the car is in park and muttering, "Vroom, vroom!" I'm going to be severely disappointed.

    7. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But since people know it is an Easter Egg they must enable, and have no knowledge of what may enable it, they may stupidly try stupid and dangerous things while trying to operate the car normally. This is indeed a stupid idea.

      OK, maybe slamming on the breaks while doing 88 miles an hour while changing the clock backwards will enable it....

    8. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Let's hear your disaster scenario.

      I mean people have been hacking on Teslas since they first hit the market. 2 seconds of google will find you a completely revese engineered protocol for the drive train and battery systems. Design your own open Tesla if you want.

    9. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not like their battery stores 1.21 gigawatts. You still need Mr Fusion for that.

    10. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Oh, that'll be great. So not only do I have some idiot sending a text while stopped at the light--not noticing it turned green 15 seconds ago--now I have some idiot in a Tesla trying to find an easter egg on their display.

      Now I'll never get through that green light. Thanks, Elon.

    11. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because it's a Tesla battery, not a Doc Brown battery. Doc Brown batteries only store Jiggawatts! Doc Brown says "Screw the metric system!"

    12. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Easter egg is already known to many of us Tesla owners.

      You have to beep a sequence with the car horn, then it enables the boost.

      See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAKksqKR3pI

    13. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Gussington · · Score: 1

      It's hard to go 0-60 when you're starting at not-0. I strongly suspect it will, like almost all launch control programs, be available only prior to launch.

      It's also hard to go 0-60 when you're not at the front of the set of lights, which for most drivers in large cities is almost never.

  6. Quick, not fast by hsmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These stupid articles always bring up hyper car speeds. The tesla is stupid quick to 60mph, but once you get to 60mph it fades quite fast. Over 60 and it will be clowned by anything. Additionally comparing it to cars that can run endless laps on a track is pointless. But continue on with the Musk dick sucking

    1. Re:Quick, not fast by GTRacer · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the Teslas do fade out sooner than other supercars, but the 100D is a legitimate 10.8 - 11.0 second car. That STILL beats out a lot of cars dead stock. And while comparisons to lappable cars is pointless, there are still a lot of people who live and die a quarter mile at a time. Like the kids who used to drag all night on the new loop road they built near us.

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    2. Re:Quick, not fast by geekmux · · Score: 1

      These stupid articles always bring up hyper car speeds. The tesla is stupid quick to 60mph, but once you get to 60mph it fades quite fast. Over 60 and it will be clowned by anything. Additionally comparing it to cars that can run endless laps on a track is pointless....

      99.999% of the time, owners of supercars are operating in environments where they can't even safely drive them over 100MPH. Marketing has created race cars that are street legal when in all reality they should live and stay on a race track.

      Tesla's target performance (0-60MPH) is at least street legal for most owners to execute, so yes, it's relevant.

    3. Re:Quick, not fast by ravenscar · · Score: 2

      You say this because that's your experience. I'm at the track pretty often. Track days around here see a fair number of very high performance cars. Quite a few people who spring for GT3's and 911 turbos (as well as some more exotic brands) take them to the track and drive them like they were built to be driven. Don't assume everybody else's driving habits match your own.

    4. Re:Quick, not fast by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's hardly pointless, it's a great advertising gimmick for electric cars. Ferrari and Bugati look like twats when they can't even beat a family sedan costing 1/10th as much.

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    5. Re:Quick, not fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have any source for this? I don't really see why an EV would become less responsive above 60mph or why the fade wouldn't be linear.

    6. Re:Quick, not fast by geekmux · · Score: 1

      You say this because that's your experience. I'm at the track pretty often. Track days around here see a fair number of very high performance cars. Quite a few people who spring for GT3's and 911 turbos (as well as some more exotic brands) take them to the track and drive them like they were built to be driven. Don't assume everybody else's driving habits match your own.

      Those that can afford a 911 turbo, GT3, or other supercar represent a fraction of a percent of automobile drivers. I've got HP and torque numbers above 400 beneath my foot, and there's not a track nearby to enjoy that with, so other factors do come into play as well.

      And when you make a product that can beat supercars in the most recognized category of performance (0-60MPH), what else should they be comparing them to? There's literally no other comparison. If their 0-60 times matched that of a V6 Accord, that would be the car they would be pitting it against.

    7. Re:Quick, not fast by haruchai · · Score: 1

      These days lots of people - myself included - bring up track capability but the truth is that muscle cars' reputation were built on straight-line speed.
        No one in my high school ever asked or cared how long a 'Vette or Mustang would need to lap the 'Ring.

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    8. Re:Quick, not fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, these articles are just stupid and clickbait for the stupid auto enthusiast posers that don't know dick. Put a Tesla on any track other than a 1/4 mile, one where the driver actually has to turn the steering wheel, and a $25k rice rocket will destroy it. I've seen it done at solo autocross meets and all that autocross driving is done, speed-wise, in a Tesla's sweet spot--assuming the track was designed right.

      My critique goes for other "fast" cars too. The Challenger Hellcat comes to mind. I see how it's "faster" than the Viper or the Corvette but anyone that knows anything about cars knows that's crap. Put it on a real track and the hellcat driver looks like a chump

      Anyway, the point is, comparing a car purpose built for a race track to a car purpose built for paper specs is totally pointless and only good for posers.

    9. Re:Quick, not fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the Tesla beats me to 60, but my 17 year old 911 smokes it 1 minute later when the Tesla battery dies. Tesla can't make a single lap around VIR, Car & Driver tried at the behest of fans and it went into limp mode and the brakes went soft and dangerous. It's a toy.

    10. Re:Quick, not fast by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the Tesla beats me to 60, but my 17 year old 911 smokes it 1 minute later when the Tesla battery dies. Tesla can't make a single lap around VIR, Car & Driver tried at the behest of fans and it went into limp mode and the brakes went soft and dangerous. It's a toy.

      Good grief, it's a 7 passenger sedan. The fact that it could stay on pace with a Hellcat at all is outrageous. It's not a toy—it's a family car. Your 911 is a TOY.

      Yeesh. You people.

      Yes, it's just marketing. Of course it's marketing. But after 100 years of lies from internal combustion manufacturers, electric cars need some marketing.

    11. Re:Quick, not fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Single speed transmission. Tesla's cars are normally limited to ~130mph, with ~150mph being the exception for a few high performance models. That's fast, but not supercar fast. Also, because Tesla's have fixed gear ratios and electric motors, peak torque happens at 0 rpm and then falls off from there, which is the exact opposite of a combustion engine's powerband.

    12. Re:Quick, not fast by Enigma2175 · · Score: 1

      The torque fade is (essentially) linear, but the drag curve is not linear. Here's a graph that compares the Tesla torque curve to a Camaro:
      http://i.imgur.com/1vkYB.jpg

      As you can see, the Tesla torque curve peaks near stall and falls off pretty linearly as speed goes up, because that's how electric motors work. The torque curve for the Camaro is different because gasoline engines generally develop max torque somewhere in the middle of their RPM range rather than at 0 RPM like an electric motor. What this means in the real world is electric motors have great acceleration but fade out at high speeds, because of the low torque at that RPM range and the exponential nature of drag.

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    13. Re:Quick, not fast by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The tesla is stupid quick to 60mph, but once you get to 60mph it fades quite fast. Over 60 and it will be clowned by anything. Additionally comparing it to cars that can run endless laps on a track is pointless.

      Given that this is primarily a tool for going from a to be on a public roads with very real restrictions on the type of performance you're allowed to display, why would it be pointless to compare the only performance metric relevant? I mean does news stories like this make your brain capacity revert to that of a 2 year old?

      But continue on with the Musk dick sucking

      Well that answers the brain question.

    14. Re:Quick, not fast by Gussington · · Score: 1

      These stupid articles always bring up hyper car speeds. The tesla is stupid quick to 60mph, but once you get to 60mph it fades quite fast. Over 60 and it will be clowned by anything. Additionally comparing it to cars that can run endless laps on a track is pointless. But continue on with the Musk dick sucking

      As a motorcycle rider I find it funny when car dudes blab on about track time this, drag race that. For 99% of your life you are stuck in traffic so none of these theoretical race track times apply.
      If you actually take real world use cases, the highest gain is travel time reduction between point a and b is achieved by using a vehicle small enough to slip through traffic, ie a motorcycle. Even a 200cc scooter will shit on any car when you take into account lane splitting to the front of every red light, and the ability to park at the front door of every place you visit.

  7. A series of gestures... by udachny · · Score: 0

    hidden feature that requires a specific series of gestures to unlock - let me guess, one has to cup his hand and quickly move it up and down as if polishing the barell of a gun for this feature to be unocked? Also you can flip a birdy for the car to enter a more advanced and more aggressive self driving mode, which includes features like cutting others off and forcing them to break suddenly, driving in on two lanes at once, taking over on either, left or right sides. Doing a both hands birdy salute will remove the electronic speed limiter.

  8. What's this button do? by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    AAAAIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!!!!!! Hoooollleeeeeee Crrrraaaaaaapppp!!!!!!!!

  9. When does the Tesla Mini-Van come out? by DirkDaring · · Score: 1

    Soccer mom in Tesla Mini-Van beats Ferrari in quarter mile. News at 11.

    1. Re:When does the Tesla Mini-Van come out? by samwichse · · Score: 1

      It's already out, it's called the Model X.

      SUV is the new minivan and has been for 15 years.

    2. Re:When does the Tesla Mini-Van come out? by toddestan · · Score: 1

      SUV are so 90's and early 2000's. If you define a SUV as truck-based, body-on-frame, RWD or 4WD - there's actually not that many SUVs out there you can buy. "Crossovers" are all the rage now. Which are basically the station wagons of decades past, car-based but jacked up with big tires so they classify as light trucks under CAFE.

  10. how to enable it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    up up down down left right left right B A

  11. Not this again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Repeat after me. Hyperbole is not your friend. The only way Tesla has made the worlds fastest car is if you put enough caveats on it.

  12. Re:So, its now on par with... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Way to compare things of similar mass here, genius.

    The fifty-cents bullets coming out of a gun are also much faster than your $15K two-wheeled piece of junk.

  13. quick, not fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You've confused quick and fast.

  14. Not the quickest by Juju · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Tesla is not faster than the 918 from 0-60mph. The 918 spyder does it in 2.3s so faster now, and faster after the upgrade. Makes sense since the porsche is a 4 wheel drive unlike the McLaren P1 or Ferrari La Ferrari. Any 4WD car with lots of power and torque will be faster than any 2WD propulsion hypercar. And Tesla is not even the fastest electric car. That would be the Rimac. But hey, Elon Musk can claim all he wants, that's marketing (ie. damn lies.)

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    1. Re:Not the quickest by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      Funny thinking, just wait until the (really) crazy ones come up with mods for the Tesla. :-)

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    2. Re:Not the quickest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Won't happen. The other cars have components that 'can' be modified. At the length one would go to to 'modify' a tesla for the sake of chasing 'the fastest'. They will realize they could move to a chassis that is better suited. IE Lighter.

      Your best bet for modifying a Tesla is in software, and guess what is going to be on complete lockdown?

    3. Re:Not the quickest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Tesla is not even the fastest electric car. That would be the Rimac. But hey, Elon Musk can claim all he wants, that's marketing (ie. damn lies.)

      Just checking the Rimac site on the supercar concept s which claims 0-62 in 2.5 seconds...... Also is this Rimac in production? can I get it for under $200k??

    4. Re:Not the quickest by Juju · · Score: 1

      Actually, making it a lot lighter would be the best course to improve performance. Although there is no way to get rid of the very heavy batteries... And the car will still be a dog on any racetrack!

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    5. Re:Not the quickest by swillden · · Score: 5, Informative

      But hey, Elon Musk can claim all he wants, that's marketing (ie. damn lies.)

      As long as he says it's the fasted car in production, he's telling the truth. The 918 is out of production (only 918 made, in 2014), as is the Rimac Concept On(only 8 made, also in 2013-2014). Also, everything I can find on the Rimac lists 0-60 times of 2.6-2.8 seconds, making it slower.

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    6. Re:Not the quickest by swillden · · Score: 1

      the fasted car

      Weird typo there. "fastest", obviously.

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    7. Re:Not the quickest by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The Tesla is not faster than the 918 from 0-60mph.

      No one ever said it was. What it is is the fastest production car. I.e. If you had Donald Trump's toilet and daddy and wanted the fastest off the shelf car your millions could get you, it would be a Tesla.

      The only people who claim otherwise are those who fail english comprehension.

    8. Re:Not the quickest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really. Just because a car is no longer in production doesn't mean it is disqualified from being called a 'Production car'. Production car really just meaning a car that has been produced in factory specification. Tesla likely would like this definition to only apply large manufacturers instead of one-offs like Ultimas. But the 918 Still qualifies.

      Someone who has lots of money and wants the fastest 'off the shelf' will buy said car (918 by this account) and either find one that was held onto by a Porsche dealership, or from a private seller. If money is no object, saying "well I really wanted the 918 because its faster, but I couldn't buy a new one because they made so few" would not really be a valid excuse for buying second fiddle.

      All of which negates the fact that Tesla ownership doesn't come with the same kind of 'In the Club' like the high dollar exotics. Tesla's are 'fairly' common in my area, and in all honesty. You could own the fastest one in the states and I'd not give it any more look than any of the others I see. Which is, nearly none. For all the hype from 'would be owners'. They are fairly boring cars despite their high price point. Yeah they might have performance, but none I've ever seen 'in the wild' have 'blown my doors off' or even been playful about the cars capabilities.

    9. Re:Not the quickest by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      Technically correct. The best kind of correct.

    10. Re:Not the quickest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as he says it's the fasted car in production, he's telling the truth.

      Did he say that? Neither TFA nor Musk's tweet specify "in production". TFA says "That’s a new threshold that distinguishes it from any other production car on the road.", which appears to be untrue.

    11. Re:Not the quickest by swillden · · Score: 1

      Technically correct. The best kind of correct.

      I suppose, but "in production" is a pretty important category for people who want to buy a nice new car. It's not a technicality.

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    12. Re:Not the quickest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LaFerrari is in production and does 0 to 60 in 2.4 seconds. So the Tesla was not and is not the fastest car in production.

    13. Re:Not the quickest by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      New runs of supercars come out pretty frequently, even if those production runs are themselves limited. A lot of dealerships also have the cars in stock long after the run is over. So it's not that difficult to get your hands on a new one if you have the money.

    14. Re:Not the quickest by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Not really. Just because a car is no longer in production doesn't mean it is disqualified from being called a 'Production car'.

      That's the dumbest thing I've read all day, and this is the last slashdot tab I have open and I'm browsing at -1.

      But the 918 Still qualifies.

      Then go buy one. Oh wait you can't because they're not in production, they were a limited run with 918 only ever sold.

      or from a private seller

      So not in production then? Is that what you're trying to say?

      Sorry I didn't read beyond this point. Actually I'm super impressed with myself I got that far down your post.

    15. Re:Not the quickest by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Any 4WD car with lots of power and torque will be faster than any 2WD propulsion hypercar.

      That's why top fuel drag cars are all 4WD?
      For the record 4WD improves traction and handling, not acceleration. In dry, straight line conditions (ie a drag race), 4WD offers no value.

    16. Re:Not the quickest by Cederic · · Score: 1

      To be fair, when Musk announced the 2.5s 0-60 the claim explicitly caveated "in production".

      There's an entire Slashdot debate about it if you go hunting on your favourite search engine.

    17. Re:Not the quickest by rpstrong · · Score: 1

      Utter balls. As you said, "...4WD improves traction..." - and acceleration is limited both by available traction and power. Without sufficient traction, power is wasted. And every tire has a traction limit.

      WTF makes you think that adding power to more wheels doesn't help?

    18. Re:Not the quickest by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Utter balls. As you said, "...4WD improves traction..." - and acceleration is limited both by available traction and power. Without sufficient traction, power is wasted. And every tire has a traction limit.

      And differentials have efficiency loses. The extra traction is effective on a loose surface, and on corners. It has next to no benefit on a dry road in a straight line.

      WTF makes you think that adding power to more wheels doesn't help?

      The fact that every top drag car is 2WD. But you could be right and they've all got it wrong...

    19. Re:Not the quickest by rpstrong · · Score: 1

      Utter balls. As you said, "...4WD improves traction..." - and acceleration is limited both by available traction and power. Without sufficient traction, power is wasted. And every tire has a traction limit.

      And differentials have efficiency loses. The extra traction is effective on a loose surface, and on corners. It has next to no benefit on a dry road in a straight line.

      Transmissions also have efficiency losses, but the gearing provides benefits that outweigh the losses. The small loss due to using a differential is more that offset by essentially doubling the grip available to soak up the power. And the extra traction is a benefit in any situation where your available power exceeds tire grip - that is any situation where you are spinning your tires. And, of course, some cars - Tesla 'D's, for example - do not use a front/rear diff.

      WTF makes you think that adding power to more wheels doesn't help?

      The fact that every top drag car is 2WD. But you could be right and they've all got it wrong...

      Damn, I was betting that was coming! But top fuelers also use rather primitive 500 ci V-8s with actual push-rods instead of overhead cams. Fact is, they are built to a formula which limits them to such engines, as well as to rear wheel drive only. They aren't going for absolute records (I think rocket sleds do that), they are going head to head within a racing spec. And they are so damn fast on two wheels that they had to shrink the quarter mile to 1,000 feet. And they have really big, fat tires that can deliver huge amounts of grip.

      Remember, 4WD becomes a benefit only if your power exceeds your 2WD grip. As was the case with every classic 'muscle' car.

      And BTW - the top fuelers are also willing to give up a bit of power if it results in a net benefit. The superchargers suck up more power than the normally aspirated engine can deliver. . .

    20. Re:Not the quickest by Gussington · · Score: 1

      They aren't going for absolute records (I think rocket sleds do that)

      Um, yes they are. The bragging rights go to anything you can get to travel from standing start to 400m as quickly as possible. Currently that is a Top Fueller.
      Rocket sleds and jet cars have been tried, but technically they aren't cars, since they aren't driven through the wheels. Nothing road going can get the power applied as quickly as a huge engine driving two wheels.

      Remember, 4WD becomes a benefit only if your power exceeds your 2WD grip.

      Exactly. And for even at 1000kw, two appropriately sized tyres on dry road can handle the job. 4WD is simply not needed as the world record for getting from 0 to 400m demonstrates. 4WD is for traction through corners and loose/slippery surfaces

  15. Styling by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Ok..I LOVE the performance of the Tesla, now, PLEASE make a version that looks once again like a sports car, and not like a family sedan.

    I seriously WISH family sedans looked as nice as the Model S does. I think the styling on the Model S will still look good in 20 years which is something I cannot say for a lot of cars.

    If they could make one with this performance, and in the ballpark range of a Vette, man..I'd be in the market for that immediatly.

    It will happen. Only question is when.

  16. Apart from the Porsche's 918 Spyder by Chrisq · · Score: 2

    Apart from the Porsche's 918 Spyder which managed managed 0-60 in 2.2 seconds in independent tests.

    1. Re:Apart from the Porsche's 918 Spyder by vux984 · · Score: 1

      And the 918 spyder also made it to the end of the lap at the nurburgring with a time befitting a supercar while the Tesla's overheating protection kicked in early into the lap and limited its overall performance to that of a cube van.

      The Tesla is quick off the line, but it handles like a boat; and it's not designed to be pushed to the edge for any lenght of time.

    2. Re:Apart from the Porsche's 918 Spyder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's electric motors for you, maximum torque at 0 RPM.

    3. Re:Apart from the Porsche's 918 Spyder by Rei · · Score: 1

      zeroto60times.com lists them at 2.3 sec. But still a touch faster than 2.4 sec. Then again, the Spyder costs nearly a million dollars...

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    4. Re:Apart from the Porsche's 918 Spyder by Chirs · · Score: 1

      The 918 isn't in production anymore.

    5. Re:Apart from the Porsche's 918 Spyder by Chirs · · Score: 1

      Bah, never mind. Was thinking about another comment about it being the fastest production car. It's true that the 918 is faster.

    6. Re:Apart from the Porsche's 918 Spyder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Completely irrelevant.

    7. Re:Apart from the Porsche's 918 Spyder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was never a "Production" car (other than loosely using the term it was "produced") - even the Wikipedia page says, "The 918 Spyder is a limited edition Hypercar, with 918 units manufactured and sold as a 2014 model year." LIMITED EDITION, *not* PRODUCTION. Anyone can order a P100DL today and it will roll off the assembly line in a few months when it gets to your spot in the production queue. I'm pretty sure the limited number of 918's that were produced were all spoken for before the first one was assembled and once that limited run was done, it was gone. Apples and Oranges.

    8. Re:Apart from the Porsche's 918 Spyder by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Although technically qualifying as "production", a production run of 918 cars isn't really the same as 100,000+. You can buy a Tesla right now, good luck doing that same with a 918 unless you have a couple of $mil. The other scratch and sniff test, have you ever actually seen a 918 in real life? I haven't and I pass Ferrari's and Lamborghini's every day, so I think it's a bit rich calling the 918 a production car. I am actually likely to encounter a Telsa S almost every day, I have zero chances of coming across a 918 in the wild.
      And lastly, the 918 isn't in production. it was in production for 1 year as extremely limited run (probably only to shut down Nissan Porsche-killing claims at the 'Ring), but isn't any more.

    9. Re:Apart from the Porsche's 918 Spyder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... while the Tesla's overheating protection kicked in early into the lap and limited its overall performance to that of a cube van.

      If it wasn't limited, it wouldn't reach the end of the lap due to an empty battery.

  17. Radar detector legality by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Radar detectors are illegal in most states/countries.

    Not in most of the USA they aren't. There are a handful of states with bans or restrictions and you can't use them on military bases. But most places they are perfectly legal to use. Legality varies tremendously by country.

  18. "Our cars are so safe..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "... And as an easter egg let's see if you can unlock reckless mode!" (facepalm)

  19. ^^vv<><>BA by drew_kime · · Score: 1

    What do I win?

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  20. Two seat sports cars by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've never owned a car in my life that had more than 2 functional seats

    Then you clearly don't have children and/or don't do practical work involving a vehicle. My daily driver is a pickup because I need that sort of vehicle for various tasks (hauling, plowing, etc) that could not possibly be accomplished with a little sports car. Good luck hauling a 4x8 sheet of plywood in your 911. If you have a family in most parts of the US you will immediately need at least a third seat and some cargo capacity. People don't drive minivans because they think they are awesomely fun to drive.

    I like cars that are fun to drive too (and have owned several) but two seat sports cars are hugely impractical and generally expensive luxuries. Nothing wrong with that but not compatible with the banalities of daily life for many of us.

    1. Re:Two seat sports cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So you call out him for wanting/needing a vehicle that meets some niche lifestyle requirements and then use your own 'plywood-hauling' niche requirements as mainstream. Fact is, most people need something that lets them carry 4 or so people and a bit of cargo, so neither your requirements nor cayenne8's are typical. Of course, there are also plenty of people driving pickups that they don't need and sports cars that they can't handle - they are called douchebags.

    2. Re:Two seat sports cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "I like cars that are fun to drive too (and have owned several) but two seat sports cars are hugely impractical and generally expensive luxuries."

      Odd, I say that exact thing about pickups. They suck down gas and are horrifically impracticable as a daily driver. On the rare occasion one needs a pickup, I find it cheaper to just rent one. My VW GTI can haul 99% of the stuff I ever need to, gets way better mileage than your pickup and is a hell of a lot more fun to drive. I actually call most of the pickups for sale anymore "small penis-mobiles" because the owners are clearly compensating for something. Why do you honestly need a $40K F150 that's 20 feet tall? All you do is blind everybody you pull up behind with your headlights. It's a damn nuisance.

    3. Re:Two seat sports cars by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Then you clearly don't have children and/or don't do practical work involving a vehicle. My daily driver is a pickup because I need that sort of vehicle for various tasks (hauling, plowing, etc) that could not possibly be accomplished with a little sports car. Good luck hauling a 4x8 sheet of plywood in your 911. If you have a family in most parts of the US you will immediately need at least a third seat and some cargo capacity. People don't drive minivans because they think they are awesomely fun to drive.

      No...no kids that I know of...(another reason I'm not on Facebook, haha).

      But even so, the kid hauler or more "sensible" car is the wife/girlfriend car. I've been with women with kids, and for hauling around the litter...her car is the one with > 2 seats.

      And for those times I'm in between girlfriends, I have plenty of other friends with trucks and SUV's and I borrow them to help me out on the rare times I need to haul something that won't fit in my 2-seaters. Or at worst I'll run to Home Depot and rent a truck there for $20 or so for a couple hours to move what I need moved. No big deal.

      But, the majority of my time on the road does NOT require me to haul a large bulk or more than one other person.

      This actually worked out GREAT for me in HS and College...in that if there was one more person I was going out with to party, I didn't have to drive and risk the DWI as often. I got to drink and ride...

      Of course a lot depends on your lifestyle, and if you have a large litter of kids, I can see that. But I know a lot of my friends that do as I described above, the wife has the family truckster, and the guy gets the small, fun sports car.

      I try to minimize as fully as possible, the banalities of life.

      :)

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    4. Re:Two seat sports cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you honestly need a $40K F150 that's 20 feet tall?

      For the same reason someone might need a $100K Telsla that can go 0-60mph in 250ms. At least with a F-150, taxpayers aren't subsidizing them and many blue collar folks actually need them to do their job. I have a F-150 as a 2nd vehicle and enjoy it like a sports car owner enjoys theirs.

    5. Re:Two seat sports cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, plenty of white collar works at my office who show up every day in an immaculate pick-up trucks. For me to own a truck I need to be using that bed to haul stuff at least once a week to make the costs of owning and operating one worth it, plus the inconvenience of having a vehicle that can't fit in my garage.

    6. Re:Two seat sports cars by houghi · · Score: 2

      When I was in the US I thought it was amazing how many people where hauling 4x8 sheets when looking at the cars people drove.
      Whenever I need such a thing (once in a year) I rent a van and people who do trade here in Europe all drive a (white) van.

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    7. Re:Two seat sports cars by Fwipp · · Score: 2

      You do understand that the government subsidizes oil, right?

    8. Re:Two seat sports cars by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      My pick-up only has 2 functional seats.

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    9. Re:Two seat sports cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in the day, my little league baseball coach could fit the entire team in the back. It was legal back then.

    10. Re:Two seat sports cars by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Worth mentioning that a pickup truck can also be awesome fun to drive in its own way. A lot of people don't realize that. At the extreme end you have the F-150 raptor, which clocks in at 450HP. But even a decent towing pickup feels good when you have the growl of power underneath the wheel.

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    11. Re:Two seat sports cars by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Why do you honestly need a $40K F150 that's 20 feet tall? All you do is blind everybody you pull up behind with your headlights. It's a damn nuisance.

      Because I need to tow several tons up mountains. (My F150 can tow 5 1/2 tons at highway speeds - though I'm not going to trust that rating on grades over 6%.)

      And I need cargo capacity to bring a month's shopping from the nearest supermarket - more than 20 miles away - in a single trip, rather than five.

      And I need high clearance to make it the last seven-tenths of a mile from the paved road to the ranch when the UNpaved road is a foot-and-a-half deep mud.

      And I also need the high clearance to avoid getting stuck in the high desert (or a mountain pass or remote valley), 50 miles from a major road, 40 from a MAINTAINED road, out of cellphone coverage, and where it might be months before another vehicle comes by.

      SOME of us don't do ALL our driving on city streets or freeways.

      Yes, it does maybe 70% of its mileage in the city. But even at the lower gas mileage it's STILL a lot less energy (and a HELL of a lot less money) than making (and buying) another vehicle (and a bigger townhouse to have room to park it in Silicon Valley) just to use for commutes.

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    12. Re:Two seat sports cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do understand that the government subsidizes oil, right?

      You do understand that tax deductions that are eligible to every company are not subsidies, right?

    13. Re:Two seat sports cars by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      When I was in the US I thought it was amazing how many people where hauling 4x8 sheets when looking at the cars people drove.

      It's our government distorting the market.

      They imposed the Corporate Average Fuel Economy standard, to try to reduce fuel consumption. To meet it, the auto manufacturers killed the station wagon and started making mostly small cars. So people with a family too large to drive, or tote groceries for, in a rice-rocket moved up to SUVs, vans, and pickup trucks. Less mileage - but they're "commercial" (and some ARE needed for commercial purposes), so they don't count.

      They don't count even though the Pointy Haired Bosses in some auto companies noticed that MOST of their SUVs never leave the cities and freeways, redesigned them into "Mall Terrain Vehicles" with smoother highway rides (crippling them for off-road work), and wondered why their former regular customers (who bought vehicles even during recessions) switched to other brands.

      If the foolish government goes through with their threat to bring SUVs and/or vans under the CAFE standard, it just means more crippling of farming, ranching, and other businesses, while the people needing larger family support vehicles will move up to crew-cab pickups and small buses.

      (This is one example of why people who live and work in rural areas tended to vote against Hillary and Democrats for other federal offices.)

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    14. Re:Two seat sports cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some do. Some don't. Don't be a dunce.

    15. Re:Two seat sports cars by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Then you clearly don't have children and/or don't do practical work involving a vehicle. My daily driver is a pickup because I need that sort of vehicle for various tasks (hauling, plowing, etc) that could not possibly be accomplished with a little sports car.

      Hear, hear!

      Last year I got a new car, going from a long line of sedans to a coupe. Not a small sports coupe, but a car that only has two doors. I'm single, but damn, do I miss having four doors. Besides the doors I have being so long and heavy now (plus the length means you can't open them as far in crowded parking spaces), the backseat was a lot more useful when I had easy access to it. Was very handy in hauling boxes of stuff on the backseat, or putting groceries on the floorboard so they couldn't fall over. Not as much room in back for a coupe layout and folding the seats to get to the back loses the position/tilt setting generally.

    16. Re: Two seat sports cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course they are; whatever 'every company' saves has to be made up for by taxing someone else, like you, personally.

    17. Re:Two seat sports cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean subsidies like: 1) Capital depreciation every business is granted; 2) Foreign tax credit every US based business gets; 3) Business expense deduction every business is granted; 3) Tax credits for keeping jobs in the USA; 4) Reduced royalty payments.

      That last one is an actual oil company specific subsidy. In any event, Exxon/Mobil pays $30 billion in taxes every year. On top of that we all pay 30 to 70 cents per gallon tax. The govt makes out pretty well.

      In contrast, you buy one of these $100K Telsas and you get a $9,000 tax credit in California (fed+state). How do you like subsidizing rich hipster douchebags?

    18. Re: Two seat sports cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So my business should be taxed on revenue only - even if I lost money? Not very many businesses would survive that.

    19. Re: Two seat sports cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically that is capitalism. Your business couldn't turn a profit, therefore it dies and is replaced by (hopefully) one that does providing there is demand for that market. Keeping you afloat is a subsidy. You never pay it back, so it's not a loan. Subsidy is the rich person synonym for "welfare".

    20. Re:Two seat sports cars by houghi · · Score: 1

      Interesting to kread, because till now every defence of why people drove those cars was about how they needed to transport things all the time.

      In Belgium a vehicle is commercial if it is owned by a company. Not sure if there are any advantages or not for that. I doubt it.
      You need a differnt drivers licence for cars above 3.5tonnes, so that is why the vans are used as they are below that. There are also some limitations in size. e.g. To drive the Hummer 1, you would have needed a different drivers licence.

      Different countries will have different rules. But for the most part that's it: See that you stay below 3.5T and max 8 people+driver. Abover that you are a truk and need a different licence or a bus, that needs yet another licence.
      And getting those licenses is a tiny bit harder than it is in the US, or so friends have told me.

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  21. IRP or ORP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like to see it up against Matt Smiths pro stock bike at IRP.

    If that's not possible, how about Ashley's Top fuel FC.

  22. Cars are designed for specific roles by sjbe · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The tesla is stupid quick to 60mph, but once you get to 60mph it fades quite fast. Over 60 and it will be clowned by anything.

    Not actually true but even if it were, so what? It covers a quarter mile as fast as anything you can buy from a showroom today (usually for less money than the cars that are close to as fast) and it's not as if you can drive any car over 100mph routinely no matter who made it. Certainly not on public roads. Why would I give a shit what it does at 140mph since I'm never ever going to drive any car that fast?

    Additionally comparing it to cars that can run endless laps on a track is pointless.

    Why is it pointless? That's like saying it's pointless because it isn't designed to haul lumber like a pickup. The Tesla is a great car for real world driving. It's not a car that is designed to meet every need and it's not a car designed for laps on a track. If you want to do some specialty activity then buy a vehicle that suits that need. Nobody has ever pretended that a Tesla is a great track car but it is a great car for daily driving. Cars that are great on a track tend to suck on real roads. (stiff suspensions, noisy as hell, uncomfortable, too low, etc)

    1. Re:Cars are designed for specific roles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the COMPARISON it is pointless because it would be like comparing a top fuel drag car to a formula one car and implying the top fuel drag car is the fastest of the two. Obviously that is not the real story - the F1 car has a lot more money and engineering talent spent on it, yet it is slower? Oh wait, they are built to do different things.

      Like you said diffeent cars are built for different roles. One is built to go 0-60 fast but ALSO be able to go 60 - 150 fast AND take corners AND be able to do it 20+ times. Just as comparing a Tesla to a pickup is stupid, comparing a Tesla to a the current bunch of sports cars is silly because every single similarly priced sports car would smoke the Tesla in a road race.

      The only thing the Tesla can do out of that list is go 0-60 fast. We all should know that you can make any product do one thing really good but when it needs to do a bunch of things then you need to make compromises to deliver the best package. Since the Tesla is not a car that can run real road racing but nearly every other car that it is being compared to can, Tesla never needed to make sacrifices in that area.

      That is why the comparison is bogus. Its also similar to comparing XYZ car to a F-22 fighter jet in 0-60.... the list of stupid comparisons that have and will continue are endless and are mostly for marketing and entertainment not enlightening someone.

    2. Re:Cars are designed for specific roles by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      If you just want regular driving, you have much better options than a Tesla... like a Honda Civic. Which, by the way, has a top speed of 130 mph. That $60k saved by the car can go towards a house closer to work, saving on your commute and your emissions. A Tesla is nothing more than a status symbol right now.

  23. 0-60 is for children, Nordschleife is for men by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now try to beat the 7:19 of a $100k Nissan GT-R on the Nordschleife.

    (Hint: battery will overheat, too heavy for corners, speed is capped, suspension not for racing, ...)

    1. Re:0-60 is for children, Nordschleife is for men by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Lets be honest, the baseline for any car is the lap time for a diesel Ford Transit van. If the Tesla can't beat that then I think Musk should be forced to drive one.

  24. why? (was:PLEASE...make a sports car again!!) by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 1

    SpaceBall One/Megamaid didn't have the look of a sports car, but it had Ludicrous Speed too.

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  25. Re:So, its now on par with... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try sitting on that bullet to get somewhere you want to be.

  26. make a deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    let me borrow your Tesla, I'll solve the "easter egg" for you.

  27. Figure out the easter egg? by phlack · · Score: 1

    Someone put a carrot on a stick and tape it to the hood of the car. Maybe that will work? It should sense that!

  28. Easter egg? by sinij · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >>>"the owners will have to figure out how to enable it"

    I think these guys forgot that they are not designing a video game. How about Easter Egg car payments, with Tesla having to figure how to get the cash?

    1. Re:Easter egg? by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Name this one 'Gimmickiya'

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    2. Re:Easter egg? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get the feeling this is a Polish racial slur.

  29. green hippie bullshit by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    "the Model S already outpaces sold-out supercars with tiny production runs, such as Ferrari's $1.4 million LaFerrari, Porsche's $845,000 918 Spyder, and Bugatti's $2.3 million Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse"

    No it really doesn't. Not by a long way.

    car, 0-60 1/4 mile top speed
    P100D 2,5 11.8 155
    LaFerrari 2.4 9.8 218
    918 2.2 9.8 214
    Veyron 2.4 9.9 255

    "Tesla's seven-seat Model X SUV will also shed a 10th of a second, putting it on a par with a $1.15 million McLaren P1"

    At least my definition of "on a par" means "not beaten by"
    ModelX P100D 2.54 10.78 155
    P1 GTR 2.5 9.75 218

    Also, all these are specs are based on straight-lne performance. Once you start throwing corners into the formula, the differences get MUCH bigger.
    Both Teslas are VERY heavy so will handle like shit relatively, meaning on twisties or a racetrack they will be no more than dots in the rear-view mirror of any of the other cars above.

    1. Re:green hippie bullshit by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      I agree though not too vocally because things could change. I'm not sure how they handle currently but I think they can be made to handle pretty well. A lot of progress has been made with suspension on heavy cars and Tesla has the advantage of low center of gravity.

    2. Re:green hippie bullshit by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      yes true its nice and low, but its still there.
      I could imagine that if the battery tech changes significantly, such that Tesla can shed about 2000 lbs, it will suddenly become a very real fight.

    3. Re:green hippie bullshit by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      2000 lbs is a bit excessive. Sure they can shed weight, just reduce autonomy . But A Nissan GTR has 1,740 kg (3,840 lb), fill the tank and you have 3900lbs . It's full of electronic aids and it's not a purist car but it handles well.

      Tesla S weight:
      1,961 kg (4,323 lb) (60)[7]
        2,085 kg (4,597 lb) (60D)[8]
        2,090 kg (4,608 lb) (70D)[9]
        2,108 kg (4,647 lb) (85)
        2,188 kg (4,824 lb) (85D)[8]
        2,239 kg (4,936 lb) (P85D)[8]

      But the comparison I was thinking of was the Panamera. 2100kg filled up. The recent models handle very well(ok so I only read about that). It's possible.

    4. Re:green hippie bullshit by sinij · · Score: 1

      I am into racing, and current model Teslas are still lousy sport cars. Yes, it is very, very fast for short bursts. Then battery overheats and it is no longer fast.

      Second consideration is stopping power - Tesla doesn't have matching stopping power to go with its acceleration. So even if battery overheating is eventually solved, sport cars will out-stop Tesla.

      Third consideration is turning dynamics. Tesla can handle unimpressive 0.8g lateral, while these sport cars can handle up to 1.2g. Higher lateral grip means you could take corners faster.

      So Tesla vs. Supercar race look something like this: Tesla is leading up until first corner, then get passed, then overheats and is left behind with the minivans.

    5. Re:green hippie bullshit by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      mclaren p1 is 3411 lbs (1547kg). laferrari is 3494 lbs. Assuming the

      Even assuming the p100D doesn't weigh more than a P85D (which seems unlikely) the difference between a Tesla p100D and a Mclaren P1 is more than 9 average-weight women.

    6. Re:green hippie bullshit by sinij · · Score: 1

      How much is that in football fields?

    7. Re:green hippie bullshit by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Proper football or what Americans call football?

  30. "Fastest?" by dbialac · · Score: 1

    It's only the worlds fastest car if you count the cars that aren't faster, such as the Porsche 918. This is why I have a problem with Elon Musk: he likes to manipulate facts rather than discuss his products honestly.

  31. Re:^^vvBA by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

    Actually, if that was the Easter Egg, that would be absolutely hilarious.

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  32. It's not a sports car by avandesande · · Score: 1

    It's as much a sports car as the Hemi Cuda was. At least Chrysler didn't market it as such.....

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  33. Sports cars... by skaralic · · Score: 1

    Sigh... there is so much more to a sports car than pure 0-60 time. Would you like to know more? Drive a Miata or Boxster on a windy road.

  34. Up, Up, Down, Down... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, SELECT, START

  35. 1/10th of a second by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A series of gestures that will shave off a 10th of a second or placebo effect in order to get Tesla owners more acquainted with every button in their car? You can make up a 1/10th sec just from getting a better reaction time at the tree. No appreciable difference means they want to get more Teslas at the race track. It's hogwash from a racing perspective.

  36. Pickups are practical by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Odd, I say that exact thing about pickups. They suck down gas and are horrifically impracticable as a daily driver.

    Most pickups get as good or better gas mileage as most high performance sports cars. Mine gets about 20mpg around town and some of the best are up over 30mpg on the highway.. If you think they aren't practical as a daily driver then you've never actually driven one. They're HUGELY practical. Excellent traction, excellent hauling ability, robustly built, comfortable to drive, plenty of power, great for plowing, reasonably quick in a straight line (not so much in a corner), decent fuel economy for many recent models especially in the light duty diesel versions, and many are reasonably priced. If you want one with a plush interior you can get one as nice as most luxury cars if you want.

    Show me any pickup that sucks down gas and I'll show you a sports car that sucks it down even faster.

    My VW GTI can haul 99% of the stuff I ever need

    I owned a GTI when I was just out of college. Was good fun. Now that I've grown up and own a house and have a family it's not so practical anymore. I put stuff in the pickup bed weekly that you wouldn't dare put in your GTI even if you could fit it. If the GTI suits you and your current life situation that's fine but those of us who aren't so arrogant will drive what actually works. If that happens to be a pickup so be it.

  37. Unlock Code by pugwashthinker · · Score: 1

    Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right B, A, Start.

  38. I don't get this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does a software update to a Tesla Model S make another car faster?

  39. Sheets of plywood and more by sjbe · · Score: 1

    When was the last time I needed to haul a 4x8 sheet of plywood?

    I've done it about 15 times this year alone. Plus loads of stone, dirt, compost, 2X4s, concrete, tools, lumber, dog crates, bicycles, trash and countless other things that a sports car would be utterly useless for. Believe it or not some of us here on slashdot don't just spend all our time behind a keyboard. Some of us actually build stuff and work with our hands. I own a pickup because it's practical for me to own a pickup and I actually use it.

  40. PLEASE Make it the Contra Code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please tell me they work in Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, Brake, Accelerator into the gesture code...

  41. And the code is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, b, a, start

  42. The reason for the two tiny unusable back seats... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    I like cars that are fun to drive too (and have owned several) but two seat sports cars are hugely impractical and generally expensive luxuries.

    And then there are the "four seat sports cars" with the two tiny rear seats that are just about unusable, even for kids.

    Those seats are there to let you drive a sports car and not pay insurance like you are driving a sports car.

    (Similarly with the fold-down "jump seats" in some trucks. You CAN ride in them, if you fold yourself up. But if the truck hits a bump, as you're likely to do a lot on a trip to, from, or around a work site, you're likely to break your tailbone. The space is really for tools and the seats are at least partly an insurance-rate hack.)

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  43. Re:So, its now on par with... by haruchai · · Score: 1

    Try sitting on that bullet to get somewhere you want to be.

    Try spinning out on a curve on your 'bike vs being in a Tesla.

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  44. Sad day by Knuckles · · Score: 1

    ... when a Slashdot story confuses acceleration from 0-60 with being the "fastest" car.

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  45. Once by OverlordQ · · Score: 1

    > For perspective, the Model S already outpaces sold-out supercars with tiny production runs, such as Ferrari's $1.4 million LaFerrari, Porsche's $845,000 918 Spyder, and Bugatti's $2.3 million Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse.

    Once. Try the test more than once and you'll quickly find your Model S in low-power mode.

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  46. Try this one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A Start

  47. Re:So, its now on par with... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Really nothing special. It just so happens that the drive they use (electric) is especially well suited for low speed acceleration.

    Like a motorcycle (with its insanely high power-to-weight ratio), an electric vehicle, in principle, can apply just enough torque to keep from spinning the wheels, and thus accelerate at a rate proportional only to the tires' coefficient of rolling friction. This is essentially the limit of acceleration for ANY wheeled vehicle.

    Some sports and race cars cheat it - just a little - by using aerodynamics to put a little more downward force on the driving wheels at high speeds, and some race drivers raise the coefficient slightly by pre-heating (melting) the rubber. Both are equally possible with an electric drive. Meanwhile, the smooth, controlled, application of torque possible with electric drive makes it easy to track the friction coefficient - all the way back to the total stall at startup. So a well-designed electric drive SHOULD be able to beat or tie ANYTHING ELSE in a sprint.

    But the early electric cars were designed by companies who thought the target market was deep-pocket eco-freaks and government-driven purchases and market distortion victims. So they didn't do the work to obtain performance. It took Elon Musk and some of his colleagues to realize that high-performance electric cars had a (voluntary) market, and actually build cars for that market.

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  48. Fastest accelerating from 0-60, perhaps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But the Tesla is not even close to the fastest car...in terms of top speed, it's mediocre at best. 155 MPH. Hell, I've been that fast in a bone-stock 1991 Lexus LS400 with only 250 HP.

  49. How about making t survive a lap on a circuit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Honestly burst power is great as a gimmick, but Tessa still can't get it to survivor at WOT on any circuit for even half a lap before it overheats/dies/complains otherwise.

    Let's get it doing endurance stuff first before breaking more stuff, sound good? Reliability is already an issue if the news is to be believed. Stressing components further for buzz factor will hurt in the longer run.

  50. Sanity check... by rgbatduke · · Score: 1

    OK, lessee, 60 mph is 26.8 m/sec. To go from zero to 26.8 m/sec in 2.4 sec requires an acceleration of 26.8/2.4 = 11.17 m/sec^2. g = 9.81 m/sec^2, meaning that it has to accelerate at 1.14 g.

    The only force that can accelerate it is the frictional force from its tires. The maximum force of static friction (under ordinary circumstances, like ordinary tires and ordinary roadway) is f_s = \mu_s mg, producing a maximum acceleration of a = \mu_s g, so \mu_s would have to be 1.14 in order for this to be possible. This is well above the maximum for ordinary tires. So in order for your Tesla to do anything but burn rubber, you'd have to invest in some pretty serious racing tires capable of exerting an acceleration force greater than the weight of the car.

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    1. Re:Sanity check... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My understanding is you break the 1g Earth -> 1g leverage cap by applying extra downforce (air foil, spoiler) and making the tires bind to the surface. I was told F1s deliberately heat up their "disposable" tires so they begin to liquefy and adhere. "Burn rubber" indeed.

  51. Heres the secret sequence by ghoul · · Score: 1

    1) Have to be going more than 10 miles per hour over the speed limit as per the speed limit data in the Tesla GPS Database
    2) Have the car painted by a radar gun (Detected by the same Radar sensors used for Autopilot)
    3)No Activation of brakes or lane changes for 2 minutes

    In short it will activate when you are running from a cop trying to give you a speeding ticket

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  52. Re:Not fastest car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speed is a drug. I think you meant to say: Acceleration and velocity are two different things!

  53. Ford Taurus SHO by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    In the mid 80's, my dad was still an automobile dealer. Ford released the SHO version of the Taurus. This was in the midwest, small town that they lived in. A guy buys one from my dad. About a month later, middle of January, cold as all get out, he brings it in for an oil change or something. My dad asked him what he thought of it. He handed my dad the keys and said take it for a spin. Now, my dad at the time, was in his late 50's, gray hair, middle of winter, big huge fur hat, gloves, overcoat. He heads down the state highway south of town. He said a kid in a 70's Camero came up behind him, and when they hit a straight stretch, the camero went to pass. Dad stepped on the gas and blew him away. Slowed down and the Camero did it again, trying to pass, dad blew him away. On the 3rd try my dad just let him go...he said when he passed, he honked, flipped him off. Said his girlfriend was laughing. My guess is he took his car to have it checked. "I just got blown away by some old man in a 4 door family car". Those SHO's back then, the only way you knew what it was, was to look closely at the SHO impression molded into the side moldings.

  54. Re:The reason for the two tiny unusable back seats by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

    Those seats are there to let you drive a sports car and not pay insurance like you are driving a sports car.

    Your insurance rates are not based on how many seats it has, nor the color. Nope, Red cars are not charged more for insurance than their other colored siblings.

    It is purely based on cost of repair of car, along with your driving record.

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  55. Not _all_ the owners will have to figure it out by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure it will only take one owner to figure it out and post it to the 'net where google can find it. Interesting that they can improve performance through software updates, it makes you wonder what they were previously doing to limit performance. You can keep going faster by increasing the voltage to the motors, but at some point you are limited by risk of the motors melting. Sounds like they are shaving away at the safety margins, meaning eventually somebody is going to damage one of their electric motors.

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  56. hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If only there were these things that could help with that problem. I've got it! Let's build a bunch of different sized wheels and put fingers or teeth-like cuts in them so that one can turn another. Now I'm just brainstorming, but it looks to me like if you take a really small one and turn a really big one, the small one will spin really really fast, but the larger one will go much slower. I think if you went large enough, or maybe chained a bunch together, that you could make the larger one spin at damned near zero RPM. I don't know for sure though. Has anyone tried something similar?

  57. There are other faster accelerating street legal c by gweilo8888 · · Score: 1

    ...for example the Arial Atom V8 500 is street legal, has been around for almost a decade already, and will also do 0-60 in 2.3 seconds. Citation: http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/N...

  58. konami code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    up up down down.......

  59. The Ultimate Sleeper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  60. Re:The reason for the two tiny unusable back seats by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Your insurance rates are not based on how many seats it has, ... It is purely based on cost of repair of car, along with your driving record.

    and the computed probability of the car being in an accident, which is not JUST your driving record.

    But they don't compute that based on every model of car. That would bury them in law-of-small-numbers noise. They need a large enough sample for the averages to show through. So they group many "similar" cars and take aggregate statistics.

    It happened (about 1990, when I decided to buy a sporty car while I still had reflexes good enough to enjoy it) that one of the big group boundaries was two-seaters versus four-seaters. Of course the sports cars had ended up in the two-seater groups and trashed their estimated probability of being involved in an accident, relative to four-seaters. So there was a big difference in premiums between the two- and four-seaters. The auto companies had responded to that by making "four seater" sports cars with token rear seats. Example: The Diamond Star Motors Misusbishi Eclipse / Jeep Eagle Talon / Plymouth Laser. (Apparently there was a similar difference between the accident rates of standard and "crew-cab" pickup trucks that led to the jumpseat phenomenon, as well, about the same time.)

    Now maybe these days the insurance companies have wised up and adjusted their group boundaries to avoid this auto company hack. But that is how it was, at least back at the start of the last decade of the 20th century, according to both my auto dealer and my insurance salesman at the time.

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  61. Why is the misery of rubber wheels so macho? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you know why Ferrari and other luxury super-sport cars have relatively small fuel tanks? Because it has to run dry in 15 minutes or less at top speed. That's because even the most elite Pirelli, Michelin, etc. wheel sets won't last more than 15 minutes at 320km/h or higher top speed on public road's asphalt and they have to be replaced before explosive tire wall failure happens. Fuel exhaustion forces the driver to stop and get out of the car to top up, so he/she will recognize that threads originally under the rubber are now becoming visible on the wheels and swap them.

    In contrast, a 25kV electricity powered bullet train can easily ride for 3 hours or more constantly at 320km/h, without as much as a dent on her steel wheels, while people eat, read, sleep or wc onboard. Of course, the rails must be maintained to japanese expectations to do that, but even the french manage to do so, so it's not like magic.

    (BTW, it's not as fast as mentioned above, but next week a direct Moscow Berlin electrified train link will start service for pax, doing the trip in 23 hours' time, one way. It doesn't even stop for the russian broad gauge rail boundary of 1435/1522 mm, as its axles are equipped with onboard "Talgo" self-adjusting calipers. The low-ish average travel speed is due to the use of existing legacy and curvy tracks, for lack of any high-speed corridors in the area.)

  62. Tesla upgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mr. musk,
        The world needs a four wheel drive vehicle that can handle ice, snow and rough road conditions , has easy egress and can carry stuff like a more boxy if less flash design that can reasonably accelerate safely and is highly efficient and dependable. No one has such a vehicle that is Eco superior yet and the last bloody thing that is needed is this infantile street racer..my god,Mr.Musk,you have sich great engineering for Space X but your vehicles are designed for California Nerdlings and not 80 percent of this continent. Road clearance, all weather heating and cooling, accident protection and the like would be nice..Did you ever hit an elk or mule deer at highway speed? No? Well, good, it does not feel good to do so.. A sloped hood will guarantee you will not live to talk of it after. I know..my stumpy looking ugly Subaru saved my life because of its less than flash design but greatly superior engineering built as it is for the planet earth...