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France To Shut Down All Coal-Fired Power Plants By 2023 (independent.co.uk)
French president Francois Hollande announced at an annual UN climate change conference on Wednesday that France will shut down all its coal-fired power plants by 2023. He also "vowed to beat by two years the UK's commitment to stop using fossil fuels to generate power by 2025," reports The Independent: Mr Hollande, a keynote speaker at the event in Marrakech, Morocco, also praised his U.S. counterpart Barack Obama for his work on climate change, and then appeared to snub president-elect Donald Trump. "The role played by Barack Obama was crucial in achieving the Paris agreement," Mr Hollande said, before adding, in what has been perceived as a dig at Mr Trump, that becoming a signatory to the treaty is "irreversible." "We need carbon neutrality by 2050," the French President continued, promising that coal will no longer form part of France's energy mix in six to seven years' time. France is already a world leader in low-carbon energy. The country has invested heavily in nuclear power over the past few decades and now derives more than 75 percent of its electricity from nuclear fission. It produces so much nuclear energy, in fact, that it exports much of it to nearby nations, making around $2.66 billion each year.
Anyone still believe what president Hollande says? At least in France he does not have much trust left.
Since when has ANY treaty been irreversible. I think Trump is borderline insane but their is no such thing as an irreversible treaty as Trump can simply ignore it.
Who cares if becoming a signatory to the treaty is "irreversible."
It is also not binding on anyone, with absolutely no enforcement clauses in it (Of course if it had been enforceable, Obama could not have unilaterally ratified the agreement - as it would have needed to be ratified by the Senate.)
After Fukushima, everyone was announcing that they were abandoning nuclear power. Since then, everyone, including Japan, has quietly started going back to nuclear.
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I'm genuinely curious as to the origins of this with regards to the Trump fanboys. Who sat down and flipped through the dictionary to settle on 'cuck'? Is that the most insulting thing you could come up with to get under the skin of people you disagreed with?
Sure there is: Lower cancer rates (Burning coal releases more actual Uranium into the atmosphere), and lower asthma, COPD, etc. from lower NOX and particulate pollution. Radioactive waste can be contained and when reprocessed as part of waste disposal generates more electricity and limits hard storage time to decades.
Yea, because they produce something like 75% of their electricity with nuclear. I can't figure out why people who want to go carbon neutral are not strong advocates of nuclear, unless they are so dogmatically tied to "green" issues that they just can't accept that the cure to their problem is in the form of big bad nuclear. We should be building modern gen 3/4 breeder reactors on the sites of current plants and reprocessing all the waste that we don't know what to do with into fuel.
Quick, mdsolar, find some anti-nuclear FUD stories to post to counteract this one, before we get consensus opinion to get us carbon-neutral on nuclear power in the US!
The cultural connotations of the "cuckold" term allows them to combine derogation of their opponent's masculinity with devil imagery, given the historical association with horns, and can be construed (depending on what brand of lunatic you are) to apply to either immigration/cultural purity or generic ideology if you don't have the stomach for overt racism.
The whole thing is rather ironic considering trumpistas look more and more like rogonosets with each passing day.
I'm more curious of what brought marakesh or islam into a conversation about energy policy.
Someone had to do it.
It's 4chan parading as the alt-right making them even more crazy and riled up keyboard warriors
'Rongonosets' apparently means 'cuckold' in Russian.
I was going towards 'hairpiece' myself but then again ....
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They thought about what they would find to be most insulting to themselves. They find 'cuck' to be so demeaning because it plays upon their own deep insecurities, and they project those insecurities onto those around them and therefore assume that trying to undermine their opponents' masculinity will be maximally hurtful. It would be emasculating to them to have a woman president who would 'dominate' them in the sense that she holds the highest office in the country. In their minds, then, men who voted for Hillary would be 'cuckolded' because we chose submission to a woman. Fortunately, most of us are secure enough in our masculinity that the attempted insult completely fails to connect.
Let's see, they plan to replace coal with nuclear power. So, not insane.
Good job, France. I wish we'd do the same in the USA. With Trump it might happen.
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coal stops being profitable when you can't get somebody else to pay for the clean up and the health problems caused by the pollution. Said it before, say it again. If you can't externalize costs it's not economical.
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I was going towards 'hairpiece' myself but then again ....
Rogainosets?
Someone had to do it.
It comes from cuckold, a derogatory term for the husband of an adulteress, and from Cuckoo, a bird which lays eggs in others' nests to be raised and supported by unsuspecting parents.
The alt-right started calling moderate conservatives 'Cuckservatives', claiming that there were like the Cuckoo, sitting in the 'nest' of the Republican party and feigning conservatism to win votes, but voting for progressive policies while in office.
It was later abbreviated to 'Cuck' and took on more connotations as it spread through the alt-right, most to do with some kind of perceived emasculation, submissiveness, or 'selling out': Men who allow women to hold too much power ('feminazis', 'SJWs', etc.), people who are accepting of foreigners (to 'steal our jobs' and leech off our social services), globalists who sell America out to the Jews, socialists who would turn the country over to freeloaders, etc, etc.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
attempted insult completely fails to connect.
I would pay money to sit and get 'insulted' by this crowd. Bring a lawn chair and popcorn and settle in for a comedy show. I mean when I was a 14 year old boy we tried to insult and push buttons but I'd like to think we could have been a bit more original than 'cuck'.
I know the etymology of the world. I'm just fascinated that that's what this crowd decided to run with this entire election.
As in, 'is that the best you can come up with. You get a C- on trolling come back with a better effort'.
Actually, most of that "waste" can be reused as fuel. Modern light water nuclear plants only use about 3% of the energy in uranium. That's why the waste is "hot" for so long - it's like burning 3% of a gallon of gas and declaring the rest of it waste which has to be buried. A breeder reactor can use the "waste" as fuel, and in the process convert it into a form which can be sent back to light water reactors for use as fuel. Done properly, about 90%-95% of the energy from the uranium can be extracted, and the remaining waste is only "hot" for a few hundred years.
France uses breeder reactors, so they don't have anywhere near the nuclear waste problem that we do. (Jimmy Carter banned the commercial use of breeder reactors in the U.S. because they can be used to produce weapons-grade plutonium.)
Also, nuclear in the U.S. produces about 800 TWh of electricity per year. The amount of spent fuel that's created to produce that much energy is about a single tractor trailer's worth (the entire volume of nuclear waste produced since we began using nuclear power would about fill an Olympic-sized swimming pool). Contrast that with coal. A ton of coal produces about 2000 kWh of electricity. So to produce 800 TWh would require about 400 million tons of coal, or about 300 million cubic meters - enough to fill a thousand oil tankers. It also produces 1.14 billion tons of CO2.
So compare that single tractor trailer of nuclear waste (which still contains 97% of the energy in the uranium because we don't reprocess) to a thousand oil tankers full of coal. Still think nuclear is such a bad idea?
Radioactive waste can be contained and when reprocessed as part of waste disposal
Therein lies the rub. Firstly, while you're absolutely correct when things are working properly, nuclear is very hard to clean up after things go wrong. While the immediate effect might still be reasonably small in global terms, a much larger area (and therefore politically more problemtic) is affected in a nuclear disaster than in an equivalent coal-power disaster.
An oil spill might be more comparable actually, but even there, hard radiation is much harder to clean up, and a much more dangerous environment (to humans, at least) than oil. Oil spills also likely to be further away from human population centers (easier to transport efficiently) which, while not a sound environmental argument, is pretty sound politically.
Secondly, there's historically been some conflict of priorities between "use nuclear fuel efficiently" and "don't allow anything that could be turned into a weapon".
I'm not anti-nuclear as such, but I do think that it's politically problematic and that "environmentally safe" fission power at large scale is a lot more expensive than what we're willing to spend on energy today.
That's simply not true. That story is just the alt-Right trying to lie about the fact that they started on 4chan, where the word, "cuck", short for "cuckold" has been a popular insult for a while. It is a mythical origin story that was concocted long after the term "cuck" and "cuckservative" were widely used.
It' never had anything to do with a cuckoo bird. It has to do with 4chan's seemingly very intimate knowledge of p0rn videos that show black men having sex with married white women.
So really, you could say that "cuck" is a term used by men who have a fascination with black penises. I hope that clears up your confusion.
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France has a single national nuclear utility Électricité de France that owns all nuclear plants and is itself owned in majority by the French government. This economic situation isn't the same as a dozen private companies like the US has, and that is what allows for use of breeder reactors. Carter's action was right given the fractured nature of US nuclear power production.
Although to be fair, taking that tractor trailer volume of nuclear waste and putting it all into the volume of a tractor trailer would be a Bad Idea.
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Read some of the recent articles by the elder statesmen of the environmentalist movement, such as one of the founders of Greenpeace. They are now acknowledging that they spread a lot of FUD about waste. Here are the two biggest lies:
Intentionally conflating alpha, beta, and gamma radiation. They really hyped things up, through out a lot of numbers and such, about "radiation", carefully cherry-picking things about completely different types of radiation, while making it sound like all the statements went together. Of course you know there are different types of radiation - light from a light bulb is radiation, warmth radiating from a fireplace is radiation. When discussing nuclear waste, the two main types are alpha and beta. Here's the funny thing - alpha is stopped by almost anything - tissue paper, a few centimeters of air, moisture in the air, etc. Unless you press the uranium against your skin, the alpha can't get to you. So when any old 1980s article talks about radiation, ask "are they taking about ALPHA radiation, the kind that's blocked by even tissue paper?" Often they are.
The even bigger lie is intentionally conflating short half-life with long half-life. You know a candle radiates visible light, heat, uv, etc. Gunpowder radiates the same wavelengths - light, heat, etc. The difference between a candle and a bomb is that the candle releases the energy slowly, a little bit a time, while gunpowder releases it's energy quickly. So quickly, in fact, that there's a dangerous amount of energy, for about 50 milliseconds. Nuclear materials are the same. Some release their energy quickly, so there's a dangerous amount of radiation for a short time. Roughly 14 days, in one common case. Other nuclear materials release their energy incredibly slowly, over thousands of years. At any given time, the slow ones are releasing such a small amount of energy you could WEAR the waste on your head all day and it would have absolutely zero effect. In fact I, and many others, DO wear tritium on our belts.
There is waste that releases enough radiation in a year to be dangerous, and there's other waste that releases so little as at a time that it takes a thousand years before most of it is used up. Dumping the energy fast is like a firecracker which burns metal powder very quickly - it's dangerous, for a very short period of time. Releasing it over a thousand years is like the heat generated as a bolt rusts - it's an almost indetectable, and completely safe, level of energy being released.
It's really it like showing somebody a firecracker and saying "this is metal oxydizing" (true) and "the metal in your car could oxydize at any moment" (also true, your car is oxydizing all the time).
Since then, everyone, including Japan, has quietly started going back to nuclear.
Germany hasn't. They are still on track to be nuke free by 2022.
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Modern light water power plants use more than 3% of energy in fuel and they also produce quite a bit of (non weapons grade) plutonium. This plutonium can be extracted and re-used in MOX (mixed oxide) fuel in regular reactors, US does NOT do this but France and Russia do. Spent fuel also contains some nasty minor actinides that have long half-lives and must be stored for a long time, they are chemically extracted during reprocessing. It is possible to transmute them into less harmful elements by enough fast neutron flux.
Right now the only 2 working fast neutron reactors are in Russia (BN-600 and BN-800), France terminated its fast neutron reactor project long ago ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ). Fast neutron reactors are not necessarily breeder reactors (breeder reactors allow to produce more fissile products than they get) but in most cases they are.
It comes from cuckold, a derogatory term for the husband of an adulteress, and from Cuckoo, a bird which lays eggs in others' nests to be raised and supported by unsuspecting parents.
The alt-right started calling moderate conservatives 'Cuckservatives', claiming that there were like the Cuckoo, sitting in the 'nest' of the Republican party and feigning conservatism to win votes, but voting for progressive policies while in office.
That's hilariously ironic considering that describes almost perfectly what the alt-right did to the GOP, especially their new patron-saint, Trump.
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Birds in general raise mainly one chick and have the remaining offspring only in reserve if something happens to the first one. Thus the behaviour of the biggest chick is always to shoulder its siblings away and get the most of the feeding and care of its parents. Cuckoos lay their eggs into nests of birds that are smaller than the cuckoo itself, and thus cuckoo chicks will be the biggest and largest chick in their respective nests. And then they behave as the native chick would have too, maybe just a tad more extremely.
So, if our nuclear waste has about 97% of the nuclear fuel's energy, and the French can keep their lights on by running that on down to about 10%, do you think we could sell it to them?
And to achieve this goal, they buy electricity from France. A smart move, after all: you get the praise for how clean your energy production is, and you let the others deal with the dangers associated with its production.
The future is [may be] fusion.
Germany just burns the most coal in Europe to make up for it.
The poor bastards will be freezing in the dark in 2024
A cuckold sits by and watches his wife get fucked.
A cuckservative sits by and watches his country get fucked.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Actually, most of that "waste" can be reused as fuel. Modern light water nuclear plants only use about 3% of the energy in uranium. That's why the waste is "hot" for so long
That's not quite right. The uranium has a half life of billions of years, so it will be radioactive for a long time but that is not what makes spent fuel "hot". Just as a candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long a radioactive material with a long half life puts out very little radiation. Uranium has such a long half life and therefore very little radiation from it that uranium is routinely used as a shield against radiation.
Another thing about uranium is that most isotopes of the element are alpha emitters upon decay. In a solid fuel reactor the uranium is encased in a metal tube, an alpha particle would not leave the tube. Even if it did about a foot of air would stop it.
What makes spent fuel "hot" is the fission products, and to a lesser extent the transuranic elements. A fission product is from the uranium nucleus taking in a neutron and fissions into two smaller nuclei. The transuranic elements are from when the uranium takes a neutron and doesn't fission but instead decays into a heavier element, such as plutonium. These fission products and transuranic elements can be beta and gamma emitters upon decay, these require more shielding to stop, such as a few feet of water or other dense material.
In a solid fuel reactor it is very difficult to remove these elements. This is a problem because some of these elements like to soak up neutrons with a greater affinity than the uranium fuel. At some point the fission products will take up so many neutrons that a chain reaction cannot be maintained in the reactor, when this happens the fuel is "spent" even though there is still a large amount of uranium fuel in the fuel rod.
There's several ways to address this problem but one that is gaining traction is to use a liquid fuel. The uranium in a solid fuel reactor is usually a ceramic (an oxide), because in that form it can hold up to a lot of heat and radiation without turning into something else. In a liquid fuel reactor the uranium fuel is in the form of a salt, usually a fluoride (like the sodium fluoride in toothpaste). This salt can also withstand the radiation but it melts at a relatively low temperature, which make it easy to turn into a liquid. In liquid form many of the worst fission products, like xenon, will bubble out of the fuel and get collected at the top of the reactor tank. Many of the others, like noble metals, will fall to the bottom. With these fission products out of the way just about all the fuel can be burned. With the addition of a chemical processor on the liquid fuel the transuranic elements can be removed before they can become a problem of soaking up neutrons, becoming a weapon proliferation problem, or generally a nuisance. Some of these fission products and transuranic elements are quite valuable and would become a salable product for medicine and industry.
With a solid fuel the spent fuel rods are effectively worthless because the valuable elements are mixed in with the really radioactive stuff that built up over time. This is difficult to process until it has "cooled" which also means a lot of the really valuable elements have decayed away. A liquid salt reactor would save a lot of trouble by not producing this waste, and potentially save a lot of lives because many of the fission products the reactor could produce is used to treat and diagnose a lot of medical conditions. Some of them could also be used to disinfect surgical tools, find leaks in pipes, and make it easier to explore space.
A very good reactor using this liquid fuel is called the liquid fluoride thorium reactor, designed by Flibe Energy. Look it up.
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It comes from cuckold, a derogatory term for the husband of an adulteress, and from Cuckoo, a bird which lays eggs in others' nests to be raised and supported by unsuspecting parents.
The alt-right started calling moderate conservatives 'Cuckservatives', claiming that there were like the Cuckoo, sitting in the 'nest' of the Republican party and feigning conservatism to win votes, but voting for progressive policies while in office.
It was later abbreviated to 'Cuck' and took on more connotations as it spread through the alt-right, most to do with some kind of perceived emasculation, submissiveness, or 'selling out': Men who allow women to hold too much power ('feminazis', 'SJWs', etc.), people who are accepting of foreigners (to 'steal our jobs' and leech off our social services), globalists who sell America out to the Jews, socialists who would turn the country over to freeloaders, etc, etc.
Is there anybody they don't hate? Just the fact that they hate women and want to muzzle them and chain them to a stove already means they already hate half the human race. That covers Jews, Muslims some of them also hate Christians. Add to that Asians, Africans, Latinos, Middle Easterners, in short anybody who is not white and male. They hate any white people who are not alt-right and surely they hate the portion of the alt-rigth that they consider rivals or betrayers of the one true way of hate. I think that covers most of the human race. Being alt-right activist must be a lonely existence. These guys are beginning to sound like the bloody Sith. Do they hold meetings at Breitbart HQ where a pale, hunch backed and prune faced Steve Bannon dressed in a black hooded robe preaches to his acolytes, waiving his withered hand: "Use the hate my minions, let it flow through you, It will make you strong!" ???
Aaaaah so that's how they are able to rationalise it.. Always wondered about that
While I am for Nuclear and keep pointing out to people that the coal industry is allowed to emit more radioactive material in the atmosphere than nuclear industry, it is worth to point out that they usually try to catch as much fly ash as possible. This is not 1850 anymore where there was no filter, nowadays in most country the fly ash is caught (and reused as building material , e.g. for road IIRC) and there are filter for sulfure among others.
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Hang on, France only said they were going down to 50%. It's carbon neutral. And France isn't on any major fault lines so they should be alright...
Rogonosets, literally "wearer of horns". In German, and apparently, in French, horns stand for the same thing.
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I'm genuinely curious as to the origins of this with regards to the Trump fanboys. Who sat down and flipped through the dictionary to settle on 'cuck'? Is that the most insulting thing you could come up with to get under the skin of people you disagreed with?
It's a mixture of things. Much of it centres on rather broken ideas of how things should be and cuck (cuckold) is about the most devastating insult they can think of to themselves, so they try and use it on other people.
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The trouble is that no one except them cares, so they just end up sounding like a bunch of chickens
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Because it is cheap for the power companies. The biggest expense is safe long term storage and that is covered by tax payers. Same applies to any fallout from accidents. The better option for power generation is renewables because they are safer, but not necessarily better for the environment. As for energy storage, use the old coal mines as pumped storage hydro power station. That not only is highly efficient, but also requires the skills and know how of current mine workers to operate the plant. What is often ignored is the dire need of curbing consumption regardless of how power is generated. A lot can be saved when implementing intelligent technology and better designs...such as a power mains switch on every and all electric devices.
Yes, lignite plays a major role, but the total electical energy from lignite hasn't changed much, it's between 145 and 170 TWh yearly, with 170 TWh in 1990 and 145 TWh in 2009, currently (2015) being 155 TWh. And also yes, if you just look at France and Germany, France is a net exporter of electrical energy to Germany. But Germany itself exports electrical energy to other neighboring countries like Denmark, Belgium, the Netherlands and Poland. In the end, Germany bought 33 TWh of electrical energy in 2015, but at the same time exported 85 TWh, making it a net exporter of more than 50 TWh in 2015.
It was popularised by anti-feminists, "neomasculinists" and Men Going Their Own Way who like to portray "beta" males as cuckolds, doomed to keep giving their resources to and even marrying women who have sex with many other men. They call it the "cock carousel", and think women primarily gain resources by exchanging them for access to their vaginas.
That soon evolved into calling everyone that they didn't perceive as a manly man alpha male as a "cuck".
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To be fair, Germany's approach to coal isn't bad. They're working to retire their old generation of coal plants and replace them with advanced coal gassification plants. The big difference is that the new ones are dramatically more efficient than the old ones they're replacing, and will be responsive to rapid changes in demand or production. This in turn will let them gradually transition from baseload to peaking as renewables continue to make up an increasing share of the European power mix.
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Correction, this is what allowed France to have a white elephant program of a breeder reactor plant, which most times was idling and constantly used power to keep the sodium melted. It produced less than 10 TWh over its life, and had an overall capacity factor of less than 10%. The reactor was slated to permanent shut down after a change of government in 1997. The preceding, smaller scale and non commercial (experimental) reactor was kept running until 2010.
Not sure if the technology was really that fucked up. Its main problem is the rationale for it (keep the nation running with lower availability of uranium) didn't materialize.
>> nuclear is very hard to clean up after things go wrong.
As opposed to cleaning up the global fossil fuel disaster? We don't have a clue as to when the failure state (continued release of waste) will be corrected, much less how to clean up all of the waste.
Spoken like a true cuck.
That's simply not true. That story is just the alt-Right trying to lie about the fact that they started on 4chan, where the word, "cuck", short for "cuckold" has been a popular insult for a while. It is a mythical origin story that was concocted long after the term "cuck" and "cuckservative" were widely used.
It' never had anything to do with a cuckoo bird. It has to do with 4chan's seemingly very intimate knowledge of p0rn videos that show black men having sex with married white women.
So really, you could say that "cuck" is a term used by men who have a fascination with black penises. I hope that clears up your confusion.
Either way, nobody in the known universe really gives a fuck.
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More efficient, and cleaner -- but emits more CO2 than coal by itself, so not a solution.
As if Germany wouldn't be in trouble if a French nuke plant shat itself...
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Coal gassification does not emit more CO2 than coal by itself after taking into account the efficiency difference.
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China, India, and other countries are still building them left and right. France closing theirs will have no effect.
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seriously though. Coal and Gas are much, much more expensive than nuclear when you can't _externalize_your_costs_. The pollution gets into the air, water and land. It causes massive health problems to anyone living anywhere near the plant. You also need to risk miner's lives to mine it cheaply or you need to do fracking (which has it's own unique problems: earthquakes, water you can light on fire, etc).
All of this either gets paid for by the taxpayer or you let the people hurt by it suffer and die (google "Cancer Villages"). Sorry, but you really have no idea wtf you're going on about...
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True, you shouldn't EAT nuclear waste, cleaning products, paint thinner, swimming pool chorine, nails, dirt, etc. I tell my two-year-old "we only put FOOD in our mouth."
And how much lignite will they burn to make up for the loss in nuclear nameplate capacity?
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And to achieve this goal, they buy electricity from France. A smart move, after all: you get the praise for how clean your energy production is, and you let the others deal with the dangers associated with its production.
let the others deal with the [fear mongering] associated with its production.
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Milo is a caricature of everything the alt-right says the left says the right hates. Hell I didn't even know he was Jewish until Bannon came under fire and he came out as "Hey look, I'm a Jew! He's not anti-Semitic".
I mean you have a flamboyant gay, Jewish man that loudly proclaims how much he enjoys large black men being the figure head for a large swath of single white males. For a lot of his followers I wouldn't be surprised if he was the token [adjective] that proved they weren't racist/homophobic/anti-Semite. "I can't be a racist hoomphobe. I follow this guy on Twitter".
Green reader: Oh, they're killing coal yippeee!
(reads about nuclear)
Green reader: but, nukular bad! Grrrrr! um,(head explodes)
It is cleaner than old coal plants, yes. But the key point is, you need peaking with renewables. So when the renewables get built and connected to the grid, it automatically scales back to being a peaking plant; you don't have to build new peakers.
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Yes indeed. They'll close them all, _both_ of them
This is not a joke, they have only 2 of those. the rest are nukes.
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