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Feeding Seaweed To Cows Eliminates Methane Emissions (www.cbc.ca)

Dave Knott writes: A Canadian farmer has "helped lead to a researcher's discovery of an unlikely weapon in the battle against global warming: a seaweed that nearly eliminates the destructive methane content of cow burps and farts," reports the CBC. "Joe Dorgan began feeding his cattle seaweed from nearby beaches more than a decade ago as a way to cut costs... Then researcher Rob Kinley of Dalhousie University caught wind of it." He tested Dorgan's seaweed mix, discovering that it reduced the methane in the cows' burps and farts by about 20 per cent. "Kinley knew he was on to something, so he did further testing with 30 to 40 other seaweeds. That led him to a red seaweed Asparagopsis taxiformis he says reduces methane in cows burps and farts to almost nothing."

"Ruminant animals are responsible for roughly 20% of greenhouse gas emissions globally, so it's not a small number," said Kinley, an agricultural research scientist now working at the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation in Queensland, Australia. "We're talking numbers equivalent to hundreds of millions of cars."

The researcher predicts a seaweed-based cow feed could be on the market within three to five years, according to the article. "He says the biggest challenge will be growing enough seaweed."

283 comments

  1. Simple explanation by lucm · · Score: 4, Funny

    Seaweed tastes so bad that it makes them puke when the farmer is not looking. That's why they're no longer farting. The guy will come back in 6 months saying all his cows died of hunger and he doesn't understand why.

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    1. Re:Simple explanation by jrumney · · Score: 1

      "Within hours of feeding the animals the red weed, the animals are seen to lie down and never emit another fart or burp again". I for one welcome our new Martian overlords.

    2. Re:Simple explanation by hey! · · Score: 4, Informative

      But it doesn't taste bad. "Umami", one of the five basic tastes, was discovered by studying seaweeds, and was named for the Japanese word for the flavor seaweeds lend to broth, literally "pleasant savory flavor."

      It's a fair bet that every pre-industrial community that lived by a productive ocean ate seaweed, although just like Brussels sprouts not being as popular as corn, not all varieties of seaweed are equally tasty. Nori and Kombu are very tasty. Dulse, fried and salted, is somewhat reminiscent of bacon (it's that umami flavor again). Carageenan is virtually tasteless, which is why it is used as a base for fancy puddings. It is extensively used in prepared foods as a texture improver: half-and-half, ice cream, reduced fat dairy products, candy bars, toothpaste, even soda. Americans are food wimps, but they eat a lot of the stuff without realizing because it's hidden in many of the prepared foods we like to eat, like fast food "shakes".

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    3. Re:Simple explanation by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Gees, umami is a marketing lie, how can one chemical, one single molecule that serves no purpose in out diet be a flavour. What is umami in real lift, simply an equal mix of bitter, salty, sour, sweet but how can you achieve than as a core flavour in any product. Easy again, simply chemically stimulate the taste buds to far greater than normal reactivity and they will react to the limited levels of more than on of the FOUR flavours. You will also greater stimulate the perception of the targeted flavour as well as provide that savoury underlying flavour by chemically stimulating the taste buds to react to underlying flavours they would otherwise miss. Typicaly main stream media PR=B$ paid for by corrrupt corporations to generate greater profits and fuck the consequences of feeding addictive chemicals to children, sick people. Umami a major PR=B$, lie come on people, one bloody molecule does not an entire flavour range make unless that molecule is a direct neural stimulant forcing the exaggerated perception of trace flavours.

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    4. Re:Simple explanation by aXis100 · · Score: 1

      Wow

      So its OK for single molecules like salt or sugar, to create and lift flavours, but not unami?

      Have you tried meat or eggs without salt? Deserts without sugar? While only being one flavour, they lift the entire dish, exactly the same as unami can.

    5. Re:Simple explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seaweed tastes so bad that it makes them puke when the farmer is not looking. That's why they're no longer farting. The guy will come back in 6 months saying all his cows died of hunger and he doesn't understand why.

      "I'm doing something about the cow methane problem. I'm eating the cows!"

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    6. Re:Simple explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're thinking of a human there, not as a cow. Taste is tied to diet. Umami is closely associated with meat, and humans are omnivores, so it makes sense that we taste umami. Cows are not carnivores, but are quite capable of digesting grass. They may have taste receptors for tastes that we don't know about.

    7. Re: Simple explanation by billdale · · Score: 0

      On the contrary, you blithering fool! Your logic is as twisted as the TRUE giants of the food industry: beef, pork, sugar and carbonated beverages. If ANYONE skews the facts it would be THEM, not the minuscule seaweed suppliers! OMG, what an idiot. Perhaps you didn't see the episode of Oprah twenty or, so years ago in which she had someone on the show that merely told the truth about the ill effects of beef... like a, shot out of the dark, the beef industry had a billion-dollar tort against Oprah, which they cleverly filed in TEXAS, home to a huge share of the beef industry! Their logic, of course, was to hopefully pad the jury with Texans sympathetic to an industry that so many Texans rely on. (I also suspect they were hoping to get a few White bigots as well who did not like Winfrey for other reasons.) Result? After spending BIG in his case to put a scare into anyone telling the truth as to how much worse beef is for our diet than other forms of nutrition, the jury decided AGAINST the Beefers. It was a damned good thing Oprah did not countersue, or she could have caused a near collapse heard round the world... she would have done everyone a favor if she had. No, fella, you assume too many things that are just not true... now, go crawl back under your rock.

    8. Re: Simple explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even among humans, there is a vast difference between the taste buds of a common humanoid like you and me, and a true gourmand. There are some of us that can sense rwo more tastes than the rest of us, which is why some people cannot stand broccoli in the least. And there are those whose taste and smell are on the order of a million times more sensitive than the hoi polloi.

    9. Re:Simple explanation by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Do you like SUSHI? The wrap is seaweed.

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    10. Re:Simple explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not quite. Actually, "umami" translates as "I want to puke."

    11. Re:Simple explanation by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      For the perennially ill informed, sugars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... are actually a range of carbohydrates which provide energy, hence we taste them and crave them. MSG does actually provide a service in human development, it is in milk in substantive quantities and is used to get the newborn addicted to eating and hence the problems come when trying to wean them off it, they crave that addiction to MSG which is not as accessible in the rest of their diet. In the most sick fashion junk food industries use that addiction to sell product and the Umami bullshit, you guys are just so gullible and stupid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..., shame wikipedia, shame (you have a PR=B$ scam on public display as truth, bw ha ha).

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  2. Those cows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those cows are going to taste like shit.

    1. Re:Those cows by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      Not like shit, but like salty, slightly fishy beef. Somewhat limited market for that I'd guess.

    2. Re:Those cows by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Those cows are going to taste like shit."

      On the contrary. Due to their sea-weed diet, they are already pre-salted.

    3. Re: Those cows by billdale · · Score: 0

      Just as other forms of life from crabs to chicken (with their eggs) to farm crops can be affected significantly by what they are few or the soil they are grown in, I am confident the cattle WOULD taste differently, but to assume without the slightest bit of data that they would take on an unfavorable taste does nothing but show your idiotic biases... I suspect you chain smoke, drink Budweiser and Pepsi by the case, are a huge fan of Big Macs with cheese, and have a cholesterol level that can only be topped by the Matterhorn. Ugh, I am glad you are no neighbor of mine.

    4. Re: Those cows by billdale · · Score: 0

      Oops--- "few" = "fed". I wish I knew how to edit my comments after I submit them, and to insert paragraph breaks from my Android smartphone.

  3. Elon Musk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Someone please forward this article to Elon Musk.

    1. Re:Elon Musk by InfiniteBlaze · · Score: 0

      You do realize that he started from effectively nothing, right? Like, he's the epitome of the American Dream Come True...?

    2. Re:Elon Musk by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't go that far. He came up in a well-off family in South Africa during Apartheid. Remember the the bad guys in Lethal weapon 2?

    3. Re:Elon Musk by slickwillie · · Score: 1

      I see a market for seaweed-based Mexican food.

    4. Re:Elon Musk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what you're saying is Elon Musk is a racist who needs to check his privilege.

    5. Re:Elon Musk by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I see a market for seaweed-based Mexican food.

      We eat seaweed and it's products already Carrageenan comes to mind, with ice cream, Beer!, Toothpaste and that's just Carrageenan. Sushi also uses it. In Wales they use some seaweed called Laver - sounds awful, but they like it, so it can't be too bad.

      Cows will probably love it. I see supply problems though. Right now a lot of them get chicken shit - I kid you not - and if you had the choice between poultry waste or seaweed, I think I know what most of us would pick. https://www.organicconsumers.o...

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    6. Re:Elon Musk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear you like money. We should hang out.

    7. Re:Elon Musk by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 0

      Well-off in South Africa in the 1980s was probably close to $40000 a year gross salary, I doubt he had the million dollars given to him to start off like Trump was.

      And he moved to Canada with his mother just after finishing high school in 1989. Back then foreign exchange controls stopped you from taking more than $15000 with you when you left. If you had that.

      He certainly weren't no Arjen Rudd or Pieter Vorstedt. I would grant that those were rather accurate representations of our politicians at the time, just not the rest of us.

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    8. Re:Elon Musk by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 0

      He was no Steve Jobs either. A prep school education, nurturing and encouraging parents, dual citizenship... It's not exactly a rags to riches story.

    9. Re:Elon Musk by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

      I probably eat 1000X as much seaweed as the average American. It's tasty, cheap, a great source of anti-oxidants, requires no farming... It's a win-win.

    10. Re: Elon Musk by eneville · · Score: 1

      If they're eating chicken muck I don't know how you can make seaweed the more attractive option for the farmer. Where will he put the mountains of chicken waste now? I have 5 chickens, they make a lot more waste than I can deal with.

    11. Re:Elon Musk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His father put in $28,000 to start the first company.
      It might not seem like much but most people have so much debt from school that they can't dream of having that money available until they are a decade into their 8-5 career of just wanting to get home and relax on the couch with a beer.

    12. Re:Elon Musk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't there an over somewhere you need to be in? We already have all the parasites we need.

    13. Re:Elon Musk by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I probably eat 1000X as much seaweed as the average American. It's tasty, cheap, a great source of anti-oxidants, requires no farming... It's a win-win.

      The crispy thin green sheets of it are pretty darn good as well. Sometimes I eat those like potato chips, and very low calorie and way tasty.

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    14. Re: Elon Musk by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      If they're eating chicken muck I don't know how you can make seaweed the more attractive option for the farmer. Where will he put the mountains of chicken waste now? I have 5 chickens, they make a lot more waste than I can deal with.

      It is a good question - if a gross one. But we gotta remember the chicken shit goes in and we get cow shit back.

      There's also the humane issue, and the what we're willing to eat issue. I know people who refuse to eat catfish because they grub in the mud, but will happily gobble down a burger from a cow that ate chicken shit it's whole life. I'm a dedicated carnivore, but until they are harvested, we should treat them right.

      The big issue with chicken manure is it's so darn powerful. You've probably seen what it does to the yard. My grandmother used to keep a big wooden barrel that she'd put in the droppings she'd scoop up from the chickens. Then she let it fill with rain water. She had a saucepan by it, and she'd fertilize her big garden with the resulting water at the top. We called it manure tea. She was known for her gardening prowess, and raised 8 healthy strapping kids by herself during the depression. We did have a rigid rule about washing the veggies for sure.

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    15. Re:Elon Musk by magarity · · Score: 1

      No individual rich person could personally fund basic income for all Americans; it just doesn't add up. Three hundred million people in the USA. So giving each of them just one Franklin would take three billion. No rich person can handle that kind of outlay for long; when you see Mr Rich has $XX billion, that's not annual income but total accumulated.

    16. Re: Elon Musk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should probably stop thinking anti oxidants are good for you... they may make cancer much worse:

      http://www.stopcancerfund.org/pz-diet-habits-behaviors/antioxidants-and-cancer-risk-the-good-the-bad-and-the-unknown/

    17. Re:Elon Musk by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      Elon Musk is worth 11.1 billion dollars. There are 318.9 million Americans.

      If you took ever dollar he had and distributed it to all Americans we'd each get a little less than $35. You seriously overestimate how much those "1%" can do.

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    18. Re: Elon Musk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      News at ten, we aren't all born equal.

    19. Re:Elon Musk by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      "You seriously overestimate how much those "1%" can do."

      If you really mean the top 1% then I think you've seriously underestimated what how much the 1% own - you just referred to 1 person.

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    20. Re:Elon Musk by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 2

      After all, the 1% own 88% of all income producing property....which is why they have 49% of annual income and 61% of all wealth

    21. Re:Elon Musk by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      My point is that so many people looking for a handout have developed these built up visions of how much wealth these people have that they literally say things like just one of them could support a "basic living income" for the entire country.

      Yes, rich people have a lot of money. No - even if you took at all it isn't going to be economically feasible to just sit home and not work.

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    22. Re:Elon Musk by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      It's a classic American story, almost rich to fabulously rich. Someday, your children could be almost rich also, which would give them a minimal chance of becoming fabulously rich, but at least they'd have a chance...
      So, don't tax rich people too much, because you could be taxing your (great, great, great) grandson.

    23. Re: Elon Musk by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      My grandmother used to keep a big wooden barrel that she'd put in the droppings she'd scoop up from the chickens. Then she let it fill with rain water. She had a saucepan by it, and she'd fertilize her big garden with the resulting water at the top. We called it manure tea. She was known for her gardening prowess, and raised 8 healthy strapping kids by herself during the depression. We did have a rigid rule about washing the veggies for sure.

      What she didn't tell you was that, like Achilles, when you were born she held each of you by the heel and dipped you in the rain barrel. Made you strong and healthy.

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    24. Re: Elon Musk by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      My grandmother used to keep a big wooden barrel that she'd put in the droppings she'd scoop up from the chickens. Then she let it fill with rain water. She had a saucepan by it, and she'd fertilize her big garden with the resulting water at the top. We called it manure tea. She was known for her gardening prowess, and raised 8 healthy strapping kids by herself during the depression. We did have a rigid rule about washing the veggies for sure.

      What she didn't tell you was that, like Achilles, when you were born she held each of you by the heel and dipped you in the rain barrel. Made you strong and healthy.

      That must be why I always asked her "How do I get out of this chickenshit outfit?"

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  4. Game Changer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like the article says, this could be a huge game changer. Cows are responsible for nearly twenty percent of global greenhouse emissions.

    1. Re: Game Changer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No. Ruminants are responsible for 20%. Cows are not the only ruminants on the planet.

    2. Re:Game Changer by slashrio · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Yeah, another of those 'great scientific achievements'.
      We eat cows. Cows are supposed to eat grass in order to produce the amounts of vitamin K2 that their calves and we need to deposit the calcium that's in our bodies into our bones, and not in our arteries and brains.
      Thanks to the fact that cows and chickens are fed factory food on a large scale has already reduced our vitamin K2 intake by an order of a magnitude, which makes us effectively vitamin K2 deficient on a large scale.
      Now let's feed them seaweed, so the vitamin K2 we get will reduce even further.
      This will only increase the rate of cardiovascular and cognitive diseases even more.
      Climate models that are calibrated to accurately 'predict' weather conditions in the past are not proven to be as accurate in predicting conditions for which they haven't been calibrated, so knowing very well that this will attract a lot of flak from the usual AGW-zealots, and acknowledging that my karma will be reduced based on their disagreeing with me--which means that slashdot effectively already does have the 'fake news' filter that facebook is only still talking about--I will not be compelled to hold back my opinion.
      So there you have it: I'm not prepared to give up even more of my health in order to prevent some minuscule production of CO2.
      Now can we please put those cows and chickens back on the pasture and yard? Thanks.

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    3. Re: Game Changer by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Funny

      No. Ruminants are responsible for 20%. Cows are not the only ruminants on the planet.

      Did you hear the story about how cows were once the dominant and most intelligent creatures on earth? Then they devolved, and are now just a ruminant of their one time greatness.

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    4. Re:Game Changer by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Informative

      Climate models that are calibrated to accurately 'predict' weather conditions in the past are not proven to be as accurate in predicting conditions for which they haven't been calibrated, so knowing very well that this will attract a lot of flak from the usual AGW-zealots, and acknowledging that my karma will be reduced based on their disagreeing with me--which means that slashdot effectively already does have the 'fake news' filter that facebook is only still talking about--I will not be compelled to hold back my opinion.

      Run-on sentence much? Anyway, for about the bazillionth time, climate != weather.

      The AGW people are not zealots, they're scientists, and those who understand how science works. What you seem to interpret as zealotry is actually a genuine concern for the future of the human race.

      All models are a compromise, because they attempt to express in mathematics and algorithms the essential parts of a complex real world. They can make wrong predictions in both directions. But the practice of science works to correct this by observing discrepancies and producing better models. And guess what? Models keep improving, and they are becoming quite accurate:

      http://www.skepticalscience.co...
      https://www.theguardian.com/en...
      https://www.theguardian.com/en...
      http://www.ucsusa.org/publicat...
      http://e360.yale.edu/feature/c...
      http://phys.org/news/2015-02-g...

      Whether you accept what the models say or not, the essential take-away is that CO2 and methane are greenhouse gasses, and humanity is responsible for adding a significant amount of them to the atmosphere since the dawn of the industrial revolution. Enough to cause a problem that we must face and solve, or risk significant global hardship. Temperature is trending upwards. Polar ice is melting. Sea levels are rising. These are observed facts.

      And maybe, in fact perhaps quite likely, efforts to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions will be a net benefit for economies, rather than a hardship.

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    5. Re:Game Changer by slashrio · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And guess what? Models keep improving, and they are becoming quite accurate:

      That is exactly totally beside the point.
      Models are calibrated in a subset of their variable space, i.e. a subset of weather, oops, my bad, climate conditions from the past.
      Stating that they are 'improving' inside that subspace is in no way any indication of their accuracy in a totally different part of the variable space, namely some apparently dramatically different subspace where the state of the system is supposed to reside in the future, including the dynamics with which the state of the system arrives in that region of the variables space.
      So, for me, there is no scientific basis to believe the predictions of the IPCC et. al.
      However, I do agree that it is better if we, humanity, clean up the mess that we create, i.e. the waste and other by-products from our oxidative processes.

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    6. Re: Game Changer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of science is "calibrated" by data from the past, regardless of it being a model as complex as the Standard Model or a climate model, or something as simple as Newton's laws. It is fundamental to science that models can fail due to finite limits of existing data. But to act like climate models are special when it comes to being based on past data fundentally misunderstands science, and saying that makes such models untrustworthy amounts to an argument that you shouldn't use any scientific prediction ever.

    7. Re: Game Changer by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Funny

      I want you to go to your room and think about what you've done.

    8. Re:Game Changer by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      If eating grass-fed beef is so important, then why are there so many healthy vegetarians?

    9. Re:Game Changer by slashrio · · Score: 1

      Maybe because they eat natto (yuck) for the high vit K2 content?
      Or sauerkraut. If you're lucky and it has been fermented with the right strains of bacteria then it also gives you more than enough K2.
      The same goes for kimchi.
      Also hard gouda cheese and french brie contain relatively high amounts K2, but not enough for your daily requirements of about 200 mg and up (if I got that number right).

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    10. Re: Game Changer by slashrio · · Score: 2

      Totally untrue and a gross false equivalence fallacy.
      Climate models are numerically imprecise and approximative computer models with parameters that have been tweaked with data sets from the past, representing a limited region in the multidimensional state space in which the climate variables can reside.
      The predictions by those models are based on approximations, guesses--no matter how expertly estimated--and extrapolations by mathematical approximative functions.
      I hope I don't need to explain what is the difference between that kind of models and real physical models, it's huge.

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    11. Re: Game Changer by buchner.johannes · · Score: 2

      Climate models contain plenty of physics. And those from 10-15 years ago have successfully predicted the increase observed over the last decade. Not only that but they also predicted the warming in individual locations, the increased weather extremes, etc.

      Every model is an approximation of the real world with some degree of accuracy. These ones are useful and give insight into the most important physical mechanisms at work.

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    12. Re:Game Changer by marquisdepolis · · Score: 1

      Not for nothing, but pretty sure the increase in cardiovascular and cognitive diseases have something to do with the Donuts, and the Dunkin' of them. I doubt the K2 deficiency from cattle-feed is the primary contributor. Or even secondary. Or tertiary.

    13. Re:Game Changer by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      "my karma will be reduced based on"

      That keeps happening to me as well. Bouncing up and down from 'Excellent' to 'Good' depending on if I've mentioned the CAGW farce recently. Let's see if it goes down after this one.

      FWIW, eating Kelp / Dulce is a thing on the east coast of North America, probably elsewhere, too.

    14. Re: Game Changer by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I want you to go to your room and think about what you've done.

      No dinner for me?

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    15. Re:Game Changer by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      which means that slashdot effectively already does have the 'fake news' filter that facebook is only still talking about

      I think you've smoked a bit too much seaweed.

    16. Re: Game Changer by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 1

      No. No dinner. You go ruminant on your behavior.

      Oh shit, now you've got me doing it.

    17. Re:Game Changer by hey! · · Score: 2

      If you eat plenty of green leafy vegetables you'll get your K1. As for K2, fermentation of that plant matter in your guy transforms some of that K1 into K2, and Bob's your uncle.

      As for the anti-AGW argument, grass-fed beef as a smaller CO2 footprint than feedlot fattened beef, so your argument that the "AGW zealots" are trying to ruin your health. Grass fed beef is more expensive per pound of course, but another plus is more of the money goes to the farmer.

      Adding a macroalgae to cattle feed is an interesting proposition from a carbon standpoint. Macroalgae are often quite easy to cultivate; it's done in aquaculture to provide feed in shellfish hatcheries. I've seen it done, you basically need the culture, water, and fiberglass tanks. It's something that could conceivably be done by small scale farmers, or on an industrial scale and used in feedlots, if the numbers can be made to work out. From a AGW standpoint replacing Methane with CO2 is a very good thing.

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    18. Re:Game Changer by slashrio · · Score: 1

      If you eat plenty of green leafy vegetables you'll get your K1. As for K2, fermentation of that plant matter in your guy transforms some of that K1 into K2, and Bob's your uncle.

      The K2 you get via this route is a small fraction of your real daily requirement.

      As for the anti-AGW argument, grass-fed beef as a smaller CO2 footprint than feedlot fattened beef, so your argument that the "AGW zealots" are trying to ruin your health.

      I can only advice you to learn to properly quote people.

      Grass fed beef is more expensive per pound of course, but another plus is more of the money goes to the farmer.

      Right.

      Adding a macroalgae to cattle feed is an interesting proposition from a carbon standpoint. Macroalgae are often quite easy to cultivate; it's done in aquaculture to provide feed in shellfish hatcheries.

      From a carbon standpoint--ignoring all other aspects--maybe yes.

      I've seen it done, you basically need the culture, water, and fiberglass tanks. It's something that could conceivably be done by small scale farmers, or on an industrial scale and used in feedlots, if the numbers can be made to work out. From a AGW standpoint replacing Methane with CO2 is a very good thing.

      Before using it in feedlots I really would advice to first thoroughly investigate how this affects all metabolic aspects.
      And you don't even need to replace the methane with CO2. You can feed the CO2 straight through the water in which the algae are grown, as food for the algae.

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    19. Re: Game Changer by slashrio · · Score: 1

      Climate models contain plenty of physics.

      I can only repeat what I said and you seem to ignore. I won't.

      And those from 10-15 years ago have successfully predicted the increase observed over the last decade. Not only that but they also predicted the warming in individual locations, the increased weather extremes, etc.

      That's very heart warming, but not proof of the success in predicting even more extreme outcomes. Before I jump on the panic and tax band wagon I'd like to see some real proof, not expectations.

      Every model is an approximation of the real world with some degree of accuracy. These ones are useful and give insight into the most important physical mechanisms at work.

      Everyday climate 'scientists' are saying that 'the science is in' and the results 'accurate', and then the next day there appear messages in the news that some new yet unknown climatic effect has been discovered that change the outcome of the expectations of those same scientists.

      If you look at the real physics, those messages seldom appear.

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    20. Re:Game Changer by slashrio · · Score: 1

      If you'd look at the whole transformation from local small scale mostly-organic production to large scale post-green-revolution industrially pesticide-laden food production, I think you'd find your first order effect causing so many of our 'modern life style' diseases. Dunkin' Donuts only contributes a small part in this process.

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    21. Re:Game Changer by slashrio · · Score: 1

      FWIW, eating Kelp / Dulce is a thing on the east coast of North America, probably elsewhere, too.

      Yes, and a good thing to do, unless you do it on the west coast (Fukushima).

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    22. Re:Game Changer by slashrio · · Score: 1

      I think you've smoked a bit too much seaweed.

      I think I've experienced it in real life.
      If one dares to vent his opinion on a controversial matter and contrary to the majority opinion, one risks getting a lot of down votes and karma reduction based on this (political) 'peer review', as they call it.

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    23. Re: Game Changer by buchner.johannes · · Score: 1

      And those from 10-15 years ago have successfully predicted the increase observed over the last decade. Not only that but they also predicted the warming in individual locations, the increased weather extremes, etc.

      That's very heart warming, but not proof of the success in predicting even more extreme outcomes. Before I jump on the panic and tax band wagon I'd like to see some real proof, not expectations.

      That these models have correctly predicted the future is the proof that they work. Why is that not "real proof"? Not sure if you are hung up on last-Thursdayism or a nirvana fallacy here. Fine, there may be another model or different parameters which are the true ones. So what? The used parameters gave the correct predictions, so we can't be way off. And climate scientist do study and worry about such systematic errors. Do you honestly expect that another parameter will suddenly give a sine curve in temperatures, saving us in 2020 without any action?

      Sure scientists discover new effects and you see them in the news, but they are usually minor modifications. The main message and outcome has not changed in decades, i.e. accelerated warming, increasing sea levels, more extreme weather.

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    24. Re:Game Changer by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      If you think "down votes" equates to "fake news" then well... we're back to smoking seaweed.

    25. Re: Game Changer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "another plus is more of the money goes to the farmer."

      In what world is this a plus?

    26. Re: Game Changer by slashrio · · Score: 1
      That these models have correctly predicted the future is the proof that they work.

      Sorry, that is complete bogus as the future isn't here yet to prove that they did.

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    27. Re: Game Changer by buchner.johannes · · Score: 1

      10-15 years ago, when these models where created, they predicted the future. Now that future is here, so we are checking their predictions against real observables.

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    28. Re: Game Changer by slashrio · · Score: 1

      That's still not proof that they will correctly predict the 'following' future.

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    29. Re: Game Changer by buchner.johannes · · Score: 1

      So you are hung up on reverse last-Thursdayism or a nirvana fallacy. Gravity could stop working any minute, we do not have proof it will work tomorrow. Science can not bring the type of proof you are looking for.

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  5. Won't ever happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This improvement would require massive changes to feed production. This is big enough to require government action (e.g. shifting subsidies from corn to seaweed), and that won't happen. There simply isn't incentive for the feed manufacturers to fix the methane problem in cows if they can simply launch a line of "Trump branded Silos" and the problem goes away for a few million dollars. Trump has already said global warming is a Chinese conspiracy, so he's signaled there will be no fixes attempted for the rising CO2 levels and ever increasing temperatures.

    1. Re:Won't ever happen by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Funny

      Can we at least feed the seaweed to our elderly uncles at Thanksgiving to cut down on their burps and farts?

    2. Re:Won't ever happen by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Funny

      Fucking cows are polluting the planet. Acid rain and global warming and turning forests into wasteland. I say we kill and eat those fuckers!

    3. Re:Won't ever happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > This improvement would require massive changes to feed production

      If they can save a buck, it will get done. Lots of "nah nah nah" handwaving leaning into anti-Trump rhetoric, which is probably how your mind works.

    4. Re:Won't ever happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Lots of "nah nah nah" handwaving leaning into anti-Trump rhetoric,"

      This isn't the fix for now because it requires a shift in the farming subsidy and a change of Presidents. You face the reality and look elsewhere for a fix that can be done without Trump, and this can be looked at again when the political climate is more science brains and less comb-over brains.

    5. Re:Won't ever happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I gotta include my Aunt Gertrude. Her and sauerkraut will drive you from the room if not the house.

    6. Re:Won't ever happen by Macdude · · Score: 1

      Fucking cows are polluting the planet. Acid rain and global warming and turning forests into wasteland. I say we kill and eat those fuckers!
      Way ahead of you... pass the steak sauce.

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    7. Re:Won't ever happen by slew · · Score: 1

      Fucking cows are polluting the planet. Acid rain and global warming and turning forests into wasteland. I say we kill and eat those fuckers!
      Way ahead of you... pass the steak sauce.

      Let's wait for the seaweed feed. Then we can have discount surf-and-turf AND save the environment** all at the same time...
      Gotta love science!

      ** it's a joke, just roll with it greenies...

    8. Re:Won't ever happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fortunately Buffalo Bill wiped out all the buffalo in NA, otherwise all the pole ice would have melted already.

    9. Re:Won't ever happen by superwiz · · Score: 1

      There simply isn't incentive for the feed manufacturers to fix the methane problem

      Maybe not, but there may be for fisheries. If used up fisheries can be used for growing seaweed, this could create a huge additional business for fish farmers.

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    10. Re:Won't ever happen by superwiz · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      "Grab them by the pussy" -- President Elect of the United States of America

      "Close, but no cigar." -- Bill Clinton, former President of The United States

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    11. Re:Won't ever happen by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      I wonder if Buffalo pollute as much as cows? I think we need a 5 year, 3.6 billion dollar study on this.

    12. Re:Won't ever happen by GrumpySteen · · Score: 2

      Sure. The color and flavor will be a bit weird to them, but who knows... they may like it.

      Note, however, that this just reduces methane and doesn't eliminate the actual fart. The paper also doesn't say whether it has any effect on the amount of methyl mercaptan, which is what actually makes your elderly uncles' farts smell so bad, so the only benefit may be fewer uncles lighting their farts at the table.

    13. Re:Won't ever happen by kencurry · · Score: 1

      I wonder if Buffalo pollute as much as cows? I think we need a 5 year, 3.6 billion dollar study on this.

      Eat them too; their wings are delicious.

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    14. Re:Won't ever happen by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Only the Wild ones.

    15. Re:Won't ever happen by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      I'd prefer a 5 dollar, 3.6 billion year sturdy.

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    16. Re:Won't ever happen by b783719 · · Score: 1

      Can we at least feed the seaweed to our elderly uncles at Thanksgiving to cut down on their burps and farts?

      That won't do. They'll fart in excitement when you give them seaweed.

    17. Re:Won't ever happen by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      "What are you doing to protect the environment?"
      "I'm eating the cow."

  6. 20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    "Ruminant animals are responsible for roughly 20% of greenhouse gas emissions globally". Not really. The *responsibility* is on the humans who are growing cows for food (and other industrial uses). Eating less meat would help GHG reductions.

    1. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Eating less meat would help GHG reductions.

      We like meat. People like you are such killjoys. Please, just go away, you whiny little bitch!

    2. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by lucm · · Score: 2

      "Ruminant animals are responsible for roughly 20% of greenhouse gas emissions globally". Not really. The *responsibility* is on the humans who are growing cows for food (and other industrial uses). Eating less meat would help GHG reductions.

      The problem is not growing cows for food, the problem is how it's done. If people stop eating meat, whatever they eat instead will be grown as irresponsibly because it's human nature to chase profit and cut corners.

      You may have this romantic vision of a few hippies tending to a garden with rain water (greener pastures and all that), but look at where the GMO started - it's the people who invented that who will feed you if meat is gone.

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    3. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      given some of the horribly unsustainable practises used by many vegetable products like Rice and Soy I actually wonder if cutting down on meat would be even more detrimental to the environment given the increased demand it would place on Rice and Soy.

    4. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by nowsharing · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is indeed growing cows for food, no matter how it's done. If people stop eating meat and instead ate the vegetables fed to the animals, the efficiency of the food supply increases 10 to 40 fold (depending on who's number you use). A pound of beef takes 10 to 40 pounds of feed, an absurd amount of fresh water, a huge expanse of land, countless antibiotics, and the transportation of elements within the system (feed to cows, cows to processing plants, etc). Why not just skip the middlemen and give humans the vastly-more-efficient feed?

    5. Re: 20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait til we murder billions of animals. I want a medal when that happens. We need to slaughter faster. Eat more meat!

    6. Re: 20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Because
      1. The fats and proteins in meat are needed for our health. The human body does its best when it consumes low carbs and high protein.
      2. It tastes good.

      Please stop offering to poison me with a bad tasting poison. I eat my fruits and vegetables thanks but meat is an essential part of our diet that we evolved to consume.

      Hippies like to argue that but the facts are what they are, from the types of teeth we have to the way our body uses fat cholesterol to make its hormones, generate energy and repair cell damage.

    7. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by PPH · · Score: 1

      If people stop eating meat and instead ate the vegetables fed to the animals,

      ... then they'd be producing all that gas that cows used to.

      There's nothing worse than being stuck in a confined area with a bunch of righteous vegetarians farting.

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    8. Re: 20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by nowsharing · · Score: 0


      1. You don't need meat to thrive; it's simply a taste. With that taste comes dietary cholesterol and heart disease, cancer, choline, TMAO, carnitine, obesity and type-2 diabetes, bio-accumulated pollutants and toxins, and poisonous heavy metals.
      2. See point one.

      Ask a paleoanthropologist and they'll tell you that we have no biological adaptations to eating meat, in our guts or elsewhere. Biologically speaking we have the digestive systems of frugivores. Our evolutionary ancestors simply had to reach reproductive age, which is why they ate almost anything that was available to them. I wouldn't imitate the diet of peoples with average lifespans of the mid-to-late teens though. Better to stick to the advice of nutritional scientists and eliminate or strictly limit your meat, dairy, fish, and egg intake.

    9. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by nowsharing · · Score: 2

      You could be stuck in a confined area with self-righteous bacon-loving "bro" farts...

    10. Re: 20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by lxs · · Score: 1

      Sounds like junkie talk to me. Face it. You're addicted.

    11. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 4, Informative

      The problem is indeed growing cows for food, no matter how it's done. If people stop eating meat and instead ate the vegetables fed to the animals,

      That's just it. Very few "vegetables" are eaten by cows. Most of their diet is grass while in pasture, hay over the winter, and grain when fattening them up for slaughter. Grass and corn grow very well with little help beyond planting and limited watering. I grew up on a vegetable farm. The corn rows took very little maintenance, but the juicy vegetables like tomatoes and cucumbers took a lot of time and water.

      The studies that say beef needs 1000+ gallons of water per pound, while vegetables only need 100-500, don't take into consideration that the cows get most of that water from eating grass in their pasture and drinking from ponds in the pasture. Water for vegetables is mostly coming from a well or dammed river.

      If you switched all acreage currently growing field corn for cows, and instead planted all the various vegetables, you would need to use a lot more water to irrigate them, and a lot more labor to tend to them.

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    12. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by lucm · · Score: 2

      A pound of beef takes 10 to 40 pounds of feed, an absurd amount of fresh water, a huge expanse of land, countless antibiotics, and the transportation of elements within the system (feed to cows, cows to processing plants, etc). Why not just skip the middlemen and give humans the vastly-more-efficient feed?

      The bulk of the food cows are eating is unfit for human consumption. You couldn't feed it to people even if you wanted to. Our digestive system is completely different and can't be "upgraded" to work like that of a cow.

      Calories are not all equals, otherwise we could just feast on corn sugar all day and be healthy.

      If you want to be a vegan because you feel sad thinking about animals being slaughtered or because you have a craving for foliage, knock yourself out, but stop peddling that bullshit that's been around since the hippies.

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    13. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by nowsharing · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Most of their diet is grass while in pasture, hay over the winter, and grain when fattening them up for slaughter. Grass and corn grow very well with little help beyond planting and limited watering...the cows get most of that water from eating grass in their pasture and drinking from ponds in the pasture.

      This is a romantic view of how cows are reared. The cows in our food chains are in fact fed almost entirely on corn and soy, and they don't have any pasture or ponds to drink from. Animal agriculture is in fact an industrial commodity produced using factory farming methods. The water problem lies in the fact that it takes all the fresh water that a cow drinks, plus all the water used to irrigate the 10-40 pounds of feed (for each pound of meat), plus the loss of fresh water in the supply that is polluted with their sewage. The EPA themselves estimate that 2,500 head of cattle produce the same amount of raw sewage as 411,000 people.

    14. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by nowsharing · · Score: 0

      The bulk of the food cows are eating is unfit for human consumption. You couldn't feed it to people even if you wanted to. Our digestive system is completely different and can't be "upgraded" to work like that of a cow.

      Calories are not all equals, otherwise we could just feast on corn sugar all day and be healthy.

      If you want to be a vegan because you feel sad thinking about animals being slaughtered or because you have a craving for foliage, knock yourself out, but stop peddling that bullshit that's been around since the hippies.

      Our digestive system can't digest corn and soy? That's what cows are fed in industrial agriculture. Get your facts straight and ease back on your venomous hate.

    15. Re: 20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are about 50 fat happy cows about a half mile from my land. They graze land that has never been broken and has a huge diveristy of wildlife. The cows are not pumped full antibotics because they are not cramped into a feed lot. They get most of the water they need from the live grass.

      If it turned into farm land the trees would be cut down. The brush and plants would be tilled under. The water table would be populated by pesticides, fertilizers, herbicides and fungicides. This would destroy the habitat of the wildlife.

      Producing nuts and legumes, needed to replace fats we get from meat, requires huge amounts of water.

      How we produce food is just as important as what we produce.

    16. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by roca · · Score: 2

      That's how it is in the USA but some other countries are different.

    17. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by lucm · · Score: 4, Informative

      Our digestive system can't digest corn and soy? That's what cows are fed in industrial agriculture.

      Again your are misleading people with your carefully crafted misinformation. For the record, here's what cow eat:

      In the beef cattle diet, common roughages include hay, silage and grass. Silage is a crop that has been preserved in a moist, succulent condition by partial fermentation in a tight container (silo) above or below ground. The majority of the food cattle eat comes from this type of feedstuffs.

      Much less grain is needed in the cattle’s diet than roughage is. This is because grains fill cattle energy needs more than it fills their stomachs. Cattle are fed more grain the older they get. They gain weight faster when they are on higher amounts of grain. This is how cattle are finished off before they go to market.

      http://animalsmart.org/species...

      Now why don't you go have a feast of those delicious roughages - that's the bulk of that "40 fold" figure you mentioned - with maybe a small side of grain that was for the most part rejected by beer brewers or left over in the process of cleaning grain destined for human consumption; then you can come back here and educate us about the marvels it did for your digestive system.

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    18. Re: 20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Most cited human ailments like heart disease, obesity, diabetes, etc are caused by eating too much sugar, which comes from plants, and not from eating meat.

    19. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "There's nothing worse than being stuck in a confined area with a bunch of righteous vegetarians farting."

      OMG dude, this! I've been subjected to vegetarian farts and it's shocking. I worked with a veg and he bombed an entire garage, 20' x 30'. I wish I was making this up. I am scarred for life.

    20. Re: 20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't believe I just read this uninformed emission, a night emission that is.

    21. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      There's nothing worse than being stuck in a confined area with a bunch of righteous vegetarians farting.

      I am a vegetarian, and I have to admit this is true. There are benefits to being a vegetarian, but increased flatulence is a minor problem. Fortunately, I work in a private office with a window.

    22. Re: 20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. You don't need meat to thrive; it's simply a taste. With that taste comes dietary cholesterol and heart disease, cancer, choline, TMAO, carnitine, obesity and type-2 diabetes, bio-accumulated pollutants and toxins, and poisonous heavy metals.

      2. See point one.

      Ask a paleoanthropologist and they'll tell you that we have no biological adaptations to eating meat, in our guts or elsewhere. Biologically speaking we have the digestive systems of frugivores. Our evolutionary ancestors simply had to reach reproductive age, which is why they ate almost anything that was available to them. I wouldn't imitate the diet of peoples with average lifespans of the mid-to-late teens though. Better to stick to the advice of nutritional scientists and eliminate or strictly limit your meat, dairy, fish, and egg intake.

      You do realise that the average lifespan includes all those kids who died in childbirth/early childhood diseases which drags down the average a lot? If you have 5 people, 4 live to 80 but the fifth dies in child birth then the average life expectancy of those 5 is 64 years despite the fact that all who survived childbirth lived to 80.
      The main thing which is driving our average life expectancy upwards is advanced in medicine (vaccines, antibiotics, cancer treatments, etc) rather then diet changes. 500 years ago an infected wound would more then likely be the end of you, today it is merely a quick trip down to the chemist for some antibiotics. Heck, I personally have had quite a few infections over my 35 years that would have probably killed me without antibiotics.

    23. Re: 20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by slew · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ask a paleoanthropologist and they will tell you that you are full of shit about the lifespan of early humans.

      One issue that may be of interest is fossil records show many examples of humans and neaderthals and analysis shows that many were likely to have died at an older age due the observation of common age related dental issues (such as ground-down and missing teeth) and arthritis. Unfortunately fossil records are rare so it isn't possible to determine the average age related issues, and even if there were many more fossil records, they cannot determine cancers or cardiovascular issues from fossil remains.

      As mentioned by other posters, refined sugar and other refined carbs have been identified as a likely candidate (potentially more significant than saturated fats from meat) for many of these diseases, but the jury is current out on that topic.

      The reason prehistoric man was attributed with short life-expectancy was because of high infant mortality and childhood deaths (disease and other mortality risks). If we factor those things out, prehistoric man is estimated to have lifetimes similar to those in the 16th century humans. These extrapolations were done by a few decades ago in scientific studies of isolated hunter-gatherer societies in Africa and South America before there was significant contact between these isolated groups and modern society (unfortunately that they are difficult if not impossible to repeat now because of widespread cultural contamination).

      You can take these with a few grains of salt, but it tracks with estimates done over historical times (where they have better information) that factoring out infant/child mortality effects, the lifespan of humans has been pretty constant until the industrial revolution when people started living a bit longer. Post-childhood causes of deaths that limit life-expectancy have changed greatly over time. In the hunter-gatherer society external injuries dominated the deaths, in the agricultural society the prevalence of infectious diseases dominated, it wasn't until the industrial revolution that cardiovascular diseases dominated, but as we move to a "high-tech" society cancers now dominate over cardio-vascular disease.

      Since our diets have changed since the earlier part of the industrial revolution, I don't think we are eating *less* meat than we were before during the industrial revolution (where we were collectively much poor-er and couldn't afford much meat) so I'm not so sure it is conclusive that meat is the cause of all this cardio-vascular disease during the industrial revolution, and I'm not sure it's a cause of the current cancer epidemic either. Personally, I suspect generally higher calorie diets and less exercise for cardio-vascular disease prevalence and prior-generational under-reporting combined with increased industrial pollution for the modern cancer prevalence. I have no evidence to support this, but I suspect many will agree with that assessment.

    24. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      The US is a huge exporter of food. We grow far more food than we need. Efficiency of the process is a non-issue. Methane as a greenhouse gas has a half-life of 7 years, which means it doesn't build up like CO2. It'll increase, then plateau, creating a limited effect. The costs of the process is paid by meat eaters themselves, as part of the price. This includes water, land, antibiotics etc., all of which are paid for by the rancher, who in turn, gets paid by the consumers.

      If you have problems with a particular aspect of it, then push for changes in those. Are they using too much water? Then charge them the cost of producing the extra water. Unnecessary use of antibiotics causing resistance? Regulate antibiotic use. Methane causing global warming? Implement a tax on greenhouse gasses.

      Those are all great things to do, and they have far wider consequences than meat production. But if you bring up banning meat, you will immediately find a tremendous amount of resistance and nothing will ever get done.

    25. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cow are fine, the problem is population increase people and their consumption patterns. No matter the great improvement achieved through science or policy if their is not control in population it will increase until resources expire. It seems very hard to convince breeder that having children in a bad thing, the women before they get pregnant then men after their presented with the child.

    26. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Except that there's a more fundamental problem which is that humans are nasty users of natural resources. The answer to the problem the world is facing isn't that humans stop eating beef, or turn off their lights, or do anything else that they won't do because ... well meat is delicious and why would you eat in the dark, but rather there are simply way too many of us.

      You want to really save the environment? Don't turn vegan but instead make a conscious decision not to reproduce. That will have more effect on your influence on the environment than anything else you could do.

    27. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paddy fields account for around 20% of human-related emissions of methane... http://www.nature.com/news/200...

    28. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe that's how it is where you live, but I'm looking at a field of cows out of my window right now. These ones are dairy; the ones on the other side of the hill are for meat. In a few months they'll be moved to a different field, and these fields will be tilled and sown. It's been that way for at least the last thousand years or so.

      The sewage can be an issue... if you don't have good footwear. I don't doubt that there's some runoff, but here most of it will be taken up by next season's crops. The levels in the local river are monitored every few weeks, and are good enough to support excellent biodiversity and be considered safe for swimming.

      I live in a modern, first-world country where it's perfectly possible to buy imported "factory" beef, or grass-fed local beef for 30% more in the same supermarket. If you don't like how your country deals with its livestock, vote with your wallet, push for proper regulation of farming, and don't expect to eat beef every day.

    29. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "The water problem lies in the fact that it takes all the fresh water that a cow drinks, plus all the water used to irrigate the 10-40 pounds of feed (for each pound of meat), plus the loss of fresh water in the supply that is polluted with their sewage."

          Which is the reason why the water use per pound of beef is absurd. The water is double and triple counted. There really shouldn't be much water pollution from the living cows. The greatest water usage absurdity is including the amount of water used to grow grain for the cow feed. The vast majority of grain producing fields in the US are NOT irrigated. The water falls from the sky directly on the field. Counting rain as water use for beef leads to the absurdity where one can measure available water flow in an area and determine that the cows in that area are using more water than is actually available. Using rainfall upon grain fields as a number to add to the usage figures is an obvious and dishonest shock tactic. I believe that more reasonable methods would still give numbers that support the idea that animal food is inefficient. Having water use figures that are absurd undermines efforts to develop consensus about the inefficiency of animal food sources.

    30. Re: 20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which can be easily mitigated, but red meat causes colon cancer, which cannot. There's also the environmental issues which cannot be easily mitigated. Meat is terrible for the body and the planet, it just tastes good, which is not a good trade-off IMO...

    31. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, is not normal food crops but easy to grow stuff. However, it still has to be grown taking the place of actual food crops. Assuming it's a few times easier to grow, you still end up deficient since cows eat many more then that multiple though obviously not as exaggerated as some people say.

    32. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lucm you misled us. Apk fried you for it. Iram != hdd or software ramdisk so you eat your own shit https://hardware.slashdot.org/... your self upmodded by your sockpuppet posts help expose it. Keep self upmodding those troll posts of yours.

    33. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Toad-san · · Score: 1

      But but but but but .. I don't LIKE seaweed!

    34. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      If people stop eating meat and instead ate the vegetables fed to the animals,...

      Good luck with that new diet. Call us in a year about the marvels of eating grass. One of the reasons we eat herbivores, they can eat the plants we can't.

      That 10-40 is not all grain.

    35. Re: 20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      red meat causes colon cancer

      Nice aspersion - cite it.

    36. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Bacon farts - pfffft! Nothing. I raise you one vegan broccoli fart. The glow of self-righteousness hangs in the air along with it.

    37. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Oligonicella · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, it's the observational view. Cattle are not raised through their first couple of years on grain in a large building. I live surrounded by cattle farmers and their cattle spend the bulk of their time standing out in the pasture chewing grass and mustard and drinking from a standing pool with the occasional stroll to the trough for some of the dietary supplementals. All anyone has to do to see this is get in their car and drive the Midwest. You're being disingenuous, treating the last 4-6 months of their lives in a feed lot as if it describes their entire life 2-3 year life.

    38. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Maow · · Score: 1

      Whiny little AC bitch complains when reality rears its head; film at 11.

    39. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by lucm · · Score: 1

      Animals add value to the food chain. Meat and fat are far more complex than a bucket of corn and a bucket of water. There's countless more nutrients; vitamins such as B12 or D3, calcium, selenium, many more.

      So if you run again some kind of comparison remember to include all the extra stuff that you lose when you switch from growing meat to growing corn. Those things have to be provided using supplements or additional sources of food.

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    40. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like when you failed comparing a software ramdrive to a ramdisk board and apk crushed you lucm? https://hardware.slashdot.org/...

    41. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Humans don't digest grass very well.
      2. Rain fills my stock dams, which provide water to my cattle. Those cattle release that water through perspiring, breathing, and urinating. That water then evaporates and returns to the dams once again as rain. I don't see how this is an issue.
      3. The huge expanse of land my cattle graze is not suitable for crop production and definitely not suitable for vegetable production. Vegetable production would require a large amount of irrigation (absurd amounts of fresh water), which in my low precipitation area would mean depleting the local aquifers.
      4. Cattle don't require "countless antibiotics". We treat about 3% of our calves each year with antibiotics for scours and respiratory infections.
      5. Fertilizer needs to be transported to vegetable fields, and vegetables need to go to processing plants, grocery stores, farmers markets, etc.

    42. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever seen a cow in real life?

      For the first 15 months of a feeder calf's life, it is put on a forage diet (grass and legumes).
      At this point it generally goes to a feedlot where it is started on a small amount of grain. The grain/forage ratio is increased over a 90 day period to where the calf is almost on a complete grain ration. The calf is then slaughtered at that point.

    43. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bullshit, most cattle are not feedlot grown and hence they are NOT fed entirely on corn and soy, that would be completely uneconomical to do. The water issue is real in "some" areas, but when cattle are grown in areas with sufficient waterfall and storage it is a completely non issue. The raw sewage is complete and utter bullshit (pun intended), cow sewage is immediately usable as a fertiser and is actually beneficial, human sewage needs to be treated. Sewage from one human is far worse than the sewage produced by a herd of cows.

    44. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that isn't true. much of the feed is remnants of human food crops or grains, (e.g. the stalks from grain crops or grain deemed to low a quality for human consumption)

    45. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      "The water problem lies in the fact that it takes all the fresh water that a cow drinks, plus all the water used to irrigate the 10-40 pounds of feed (for each pound of meat), plus the loss of fresh water in the supply that is polluted with their sewage."

          Which is the reason why the water use per pound of beef is absurd. The water is double and triple counted. There really shouldn't be much water pollution from the living cows. The greatest water usage absurdity is including the amount of water used to grow grain for the cow feed. The vast majority of grain producing fields in the US are NOT irrigated. The water falls from the sky directly on the field. Counting rain as water use for beef leads to the absurdity where one can measure available water flow in an area and determine that the cows in that area are using more water than is actually available. Using rainfall upon grain fields as a number to add to the usage figures is an obvious and dishonest shock tactic. I believe that more reasonable methods would still give numbers that support the idea that animal food is inefficient. Having water use figures that are absurd undermines efforts to develop consensus about the inefficiency of animal food sources.

      This is the best argument on this topic. I'm fine with eating meat every day, but I would also be fine with going meatless a few days a week. But lying about water usage to make it seem catastrophic is not going to make me change my ways.

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    46. Re:20% of GHGs not from ruminant animals really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have never obviously been to a cattle farm / ranch. Cows shit on the ground. It decomposes very quickly. Trying to equate cattle sewage to human sewage is just dumb.

      On a side note, for added carbon emissions, you can even use it to fuel your campfire and keep the mosquitoes away at the same time.

      You can also use cow patties for a slightly disgusting game of Frisbee.

  7. I think the article had one thing backward by flatulus · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Then researcher Rob Kinley of Dalhousie University caught wind of it."

    Shouldn't that be "noticed the absence of wind?"

    I couldn't resist. I've been waiting years for this opportunity (note my account name)...

    1. Re:I think the article had one thing backward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I gave you a charity +1 Funny mod, but it really wasn't that funny. Try harder next time, k?

    2. Re:I think the article had one thing backward by flatulus · · Score: 3, Informative

      Mod point from an AC? Can't say I've seen that before.

    3. Re:I think the article had one thing backward by Stewie241 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It happens all the time because if you've modded a thread the only way to post without reversing the mod is to do so as AC.

    4. Re:I think the article had one thing backward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sure about that? I though they still track you by cookie or ip or something and un-apply your mod if you post, even as AC.

    5. Re:I think the article had one thing backward by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Informative

      You sure about that? I though they still track you by cookie or ip or something and un-apply your mod if you post, even as AC.

      Nope. I've done this in the past - as long as you don't stand to gain karma from the discussion, you're golden. But you do have to remember to click that "post anonymously" box, which isn't checked by default.

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    6. Re:I think the article had one thing backward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure it does undo the mod if you post AC, however, if you post AC and then mod and the mod stays.

    7. Re:I think the article had one thing backward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either open another browser, or open a private/incognito mode window in your current browser. If you do this, no cookies are associated between the two sessions and you can post as AC.

    8. Re:I think the article had one thing backward by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      You sure about that? I though they still track you by cookie or ip or something and un-apply your mod if you post, even as AC.

      Post truthing eh? No they don't.

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    9. Re:I think the article had one thing backward by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      I'm pretty sure it does undo the mod if you post AC, however, if you post AC and then mod and the mod stays.

      Nope.

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    10. Re:I think the article had one thing backward by ClickOnThis · · Score: 3, Informative

      I gave you a charity +1 Funny mod, but it really wasn't that funny. Try harder next time, k?

      But look at his username (flatulus.) That's FTW.

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    11. Re:I think the article had one thing backward by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Either open another browser

      Or open, uh, a window? ;-PPPPPP

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    12. Re:I think the article had one thing backward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nope. I've done this in the past - as long as you don't stand to gain karma from the discussion, you're golden. But you do have to remember to click that "post anonymously" box, which isn't checked by default.

      Ditto this. It makes sense really - there should be no barriers to anyone wanting to make a comment, but there needs to be a way to ensure that you can't manipulate a thread via moderation and steer things towards making a post that gives karma to your account.

    13. Re:I think the article had one thing backward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Then researcher Rob Kinley of Dalhousie University caught wind of it."

      Shouldn't that be "noticed the absence of wind?"

      I couldn't resist. I've been waiting years for this opportunity (note my account name)...

      How does it feel now that the opportunity has arrived and has been taken? Everything you expected and more?

  8. Price? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The real question is if this new feed costs the same or less than the current feed given to cows.

    1. Re:Price? by Nutria · · Score: 2

      Because... "the biggest challenge will be growing enough seaweed."

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    2. Re:price? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cheaper than the regular feed, at least for the one farmer, since he'd been using it as a cost-cutting measure. The question is if it scales - farmers use expired candy to cut costs, too, but that only works because it's waste candy. If you were making it specifically for feed, it would certainly be too expensive.

    3. Re:Price? by imadeyoureadpoop · · Score: 1

      In Australia (and other locations where the majority of livestock isn't raised coastally), I could imagine the real issue being transport and distribution of the feed. There are a lot of livestock farms within 100km of the ocean, but the majority of farms there would have to undertake seaweed feed for their livestock to make inland distribution viable, or the inverse, where inland stations would be a much larger customer that would grow a business to a size large enough to be able to afford to consider coastal distribution to more numerous, smaller farms. That being said, I'd be interested to see the comparison in emissions of grass-fed vs grain-fed vs seaweed-fed livestock. Most livestock in Australia is grass-fed, and as such produce a healthier and more nutrient-rich meat than the grain-fed variety, so you'd also have to take into account the gut microbes of the and nutrients of the final product before the economic case of seaweed would even come into question.

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    4. Re:Price? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the taste of the meat is significantly affected by a cows diet, I would think taste and cost would be a significantly bigger challenge than growing enough of it. seaweed is easy to grow, however harvesting and processing combined with taste are huge risks. I am sure scientists will tell you the big challenge is how to grow enough but that really is just BS because it is a problem they have control over.

    5. Re:Price? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the seaweed can be made into pellets for similar nutritional benefit, to be fed to grain-fed livestock..

      The article doesn't state whether it's the process of chewing or the chemical composition of the food that causes the reduction. Maybe grass-fed animals can also benefit by taking a dietary supplement of seaweed-juice added to their water supply?

    6. Re:price? by gravewax · · Score: 1

      He lives right next to his source and was self harvesting. now put that farmer 100 or 200 kilometres from the source and have someone else producing and transporting it, also when scaling you aren't going to find enough to be sustainable just lying around on the beach..

    7. Re:Price? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it simply being in the article doesn't make it less wrong. Growing seaweed is incredibly easy to do and people have been farming it for a long time. Doing it in a cost effective way for such a large scale will be the problem, seaweed for human market is sold at a premium, you can't do that with cattle feed (at least not if you expect people to buy it).

    8. Re:Price? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Doing it in a cost effective way for such a large scale will be the problem,

      Didn't I just say that??

      Why yes, I did!!! Because... "the biggest challenge will be growing enough seaweed."

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    9. Re:Price? by hraponssi · · Score: 1

      The real question is if this new feed costs the same or less than the current feed given to cows.

      I think this news feed is very reasonably priced and will feed many cows. Compared to a current feed, the cows might also find it less shocking: winwin.

    10. Re:Price? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obvious solution: engineer the seaweed to taste like dulse, so we can have methane-neutral steaks that taste like bacon when fried.

    11. Re:Price? by gravewax · · Score: 1

      Not sure how you can think cost effective is the same as ability to grow enough. perhaps English is not your first language?

  9. Does big ag care about emmissions? by nowsharing · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What incentive does big ag have to do anything to reduce their environmental footprint? They have a get-out-of-jail-free card for emissions, fresh water usage and water system pollution, food poisoning, antibiotics abuse, employee and animal abuse, and land degradation. They're richly subsidized to be the world's greatest pollution offenders.

    1. Re:Does big ag care about emmissions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think we should care more about the environment, vote straight-ticket Democrat in 2018 midterms and the 2020 presidential election.

      p.s. Shame on the 10 million African Americans who voted for Obama but stayed home in the 2016 election. The world was counting on you.

    2. Re:Does big ag care about emmissions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up homie. Obama was a brother, this Clinton lady was a straight up poser, yo.

    3. Re:Does big ag care about emmissions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idiot...

      The reason they can argue for exemption is BECAUSE there was nothing to be done and they are vital to the food supply (yes, they are).

      If this pans out then no. So yes, its VERY important. Especially for countries like mine where 50% of emissions come from cows!

      Interesting indeed....

    4. Re:Does big ag care about emmissions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Little reminder:

      When you start a post with an insult, you're less likely to be taken seriously.

    5. Re:Does big ag care about emmissions? by superwiz · · Score: 2

      What incentive does big ag have to do anything to reduce their environmental footprint?

      It may not, but it would be additional business for artificial fisheries (ie, fish farmers).

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    6. Re:Does big ag care about emmissions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Continued existence?

    7. Re:Does big ag care about emmissions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I agree that they don't have any incentive. All the things you listed however are results due to a fundamental problem of farming/agriculture being a financially very difficult operation. Breaking even, much less turning a profit, is unlikely without assistance. I don't have an answer, but if you want all the subsidies and thereby measures of 'control' (by corp, by government, by lobbyists, etc.) to lessen, then I fear that prices hitting the consumer would need to be raised by 2 or 3x. That concept is a blow to the economy, to people perceptions of acceptability, of expectation in (many) countries (certainly in the USA), etc. Therefore....subsidies... or else yea.. prices will rise, people will have harder times and/or can't afford food.

      There are of course many other problems in the 'food supply chain' than the manufacturers such as the amount of food wasted (that is not sold, etc.).

    8. Re:Does big ag care about emmissions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On first blush this would be an excellent way to utilize the runoff from the farming processes and capture and reintegrate some (all?) of the soluble nutrients back into production.

    9. Re:Does big ag care about emmissions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're mistaken. It's not a get-out-of-jail-free card. It's a get-out-of-jail-for-bribes card.

      But a smart politician knows how to play the cards he gets. Just announce that a government initiative to trial this idea, and stress all the public benefits. In the mean time, big ag gets its cow fodder for free, so they're happy too. Win-win, except for the tax payer.

    10. Re:Does big ag care about emmissions? by Verdatum · · Score: 1
      I would say that you're mistaken about get out of jail free for water system pollution. They spend a ton on that. Antibiotics abuse has been severely curtailed in the US. Land degradation does not make economic sense because it would require buying new land.

      But your original argument is interesting. There is currently no incentive for the meat industry to reduce methane emissions. They'd previously been able to argue, "what can we do? Stick a pipe up their butt and a mask on their face 24/7? Animal rights groups hate what we do as is. Make us do that and those guys will tear you out of office kicking and screaming." So the legislation and regulatory agencies do nothing.

      If, however, the only change needed is in diet, then as long as there is sufficient supply, the cattle industry loses that argument, so it can start to be regulated. Naturally, if the change in feed cost isn't subsidized, then the cattle industry will argue the it wrecks the taste of the meat. And even if it is subsidized, the corn industry will make the same argument, and demand that "seaweed-meat" is appropriately labeled and run ad campaigns where people say that it tastes fishy and gross. And that'll probably work wonderfully, making any such beef worthless as anything more than dog-food.

  10. also,,.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it eliminates the cow.

  11. Seaweed Farming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Son: Dad when I grow up...I want to be a seaweed farmer.
    Dad: That's nice son.

    Dad looks at Mom and mumbles..that boy ain't right. Mom just smiles sheepishly.

  12. Finally! by dohzer · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can finally eat surf-and-turf while only harming one animal. Take that, vegetarians!

    1. Re:Finally! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Is that something like reef-and-beef?

    2. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smoke and a pancake?

  13. Agg lobby in general would likely prefer it by raymorris · · Score: 1

    The current system where it's not just subsidies, but we're actually required to burn food, is screwed up enough that it causes noticeable problems. If farmers can grow seaweed in ponds, and we can eat corn, many people would prefer that. I could definitely see that happening IF we can grow it in the US.

  14. Curtain by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Please pay no attention to all the extra emissions from growing, harvesting, processing, and transporting!"

    1. Re:Curtain by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      "Please pay no attention to all the extra emissions from growing, harvesting, processing, and transporting!"

      You have to think outside the box!
      Fantastic growth industry teaching cows to swim and chew food with a snorkel in their mouth...

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    2. Re:Curtain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For your argument to make sense, you have to posit that growing, harvesting, processing, and transporting seaweed will constitute more than 20% of the world's greenhouse gas emissions. Is that your belief?

  15. so in other words... by newsdee · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...weed cures farts?

    1. Re:so in other words... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Mind. Blown.

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  16. Works with cars by no-body · · Score: 1

    too ?

  17. Another nail in the carbon tax coffin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having beef growers be able to trade carbon credits throws another wrench in ole Algore's carbon Ponzi scheme.

  18. Bromoform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The seaweed contain Bromoform, which like it sounds is related to chloroform. No bacteria = no methane. Bromoform is a confirmed animal carcinogen and lingers in the environment. The seaweed needs to be banned as an animal feed additive before this gets out of hand.

    1. Re:Bromoform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another graduate of the Trump University Chemistry Dept. speaks up.
      You must be thinking of Bromo-Seltzer.

  19. Doesn't do enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only way to solve man-made climate change is to tax average people an exorbitant amount.

    1. Re:Doesn't do enough by slashrio · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The only way to solve man-made climate change is to tax average people an exorbitant amount.

      And give it to the already exorbitantly rich, because that's the whole scheme behind this AGW-hype.

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    2. Re:Doesn't do enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't matter as long as you pay more and need more help from the overseers in order to maintain a life at a fraction of your standards of today. Get over it already. Big business is a bogyman that stands in the way of that.

    3. Re:Doesn't do enough by slashrio · · Score: 1

      Get over it already.

      You mean there's nothing we can do?
      There is so much we can do. The minute we refuse en masse to buy the products of big business big business will go bankrupt.

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  20. So I have a bunch of cows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Am I going to pay a bunch of money for fancy seaweed and force my cows to eat it, or will I continue to let them graze my land that costs me nothing?

    Decisions, decisions...

    1. Re:So I have a bunch of cows... by slashrio · · Score: 1

      Am I going to pay a bunch of money for fancy seaweed and force my cows to eat it, or will I continue to let them graze my land that costs me nothing?

      Frankly you will have no choice. This whole story has been spinned by a big, secret PR-company paid by a large big-ag company that has developed a cheap way of making cow food out of ocean and you are going to pay dearly for that.

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    2. Re:So I have a bunch of cows... by jonwil · · Score: 2

      This isn't about the cows that chew on grass all day, this is about the cows in big industrial feedlots that are fed things cows were never meant to eat. (I have seen stories of cows being fed chocolate bars and candy, foods that even humans shouldn't be eating let alone animals that need a lot more fibre in their diet than humans do...)

      If you can replace that feed with something that doesn't cost the farmer any extra money and is better for the cows and the planet, I think the farmers will be interested.

      Whether its possible to produce the seaweed at a price that is competitive with current cattle feed (and whether the corn industry would allow it to happen) is the real question.

  21. Not feeding the cows also does that by melted · · Score: 1

    Not feeding the cows also does that, because they die. Can I have a research grant?

  22. Unrealistic..let's just take a look. by Vegan+Cyclist · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are ~100 million cows in the US.

    They each eat about 24lbs of food a day.

    Doesn't say what proportion of that has to be seaweed, but even if it's just a pound a day, that's 100 million pounds of seaweed every day. 36.5 billion pounds a year.

    Annual global seaweed harvest was 28,000 metric tons (61,729,433lbs) in '88 according to Wikipedia.

    And there are lots more cows around the rest of the world (upwards of 1.5 billion).

    People think *I'm* crazy as a vegan. But take note, according to this pro-meat article, livestock accounts for 20% of greenhouse emissions. Should be worrisome to anyone consuming cows or dairy...that's a lot we could cut out very quickly if the will existed.

    1. Re:Unrealistic..let's just take a look. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not a matter of physically harvesting enough seaweed for each cow - all they really need to do is isolate and then genetically engineer the relevant attributes of the seaweed into existing feed.

      The obvious downside is still cost - why buy GMO cow food when you can feed them on cheaper grass and palm kernels.

    2. Re:Unrealistic..let's just take a look. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are ~100 million cows in the US.

      They each eat about 24lbs of food a day.

      There was an Australian TV show that covered this a few weeks or month ago.
      I cant remember the ratio they mentioned, but it was in the realm of `grams per KG` ( note to the Impererial users 1000grams == 1KG ) so the volume needed was fairly low.

      This page suggests a 2 percent ratio : http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-19/environmental-concerns-cows-eating-seaweed/7946630

    3. Re:Unrealistic..let's just take a look. by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      Vegans produce more methane than omnivores do...

      Vegans CAUSE GLOBAL WARMING!

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    4. Re:Unrealistic..let's just take a look. by nowsharing · · Score: 1

      Agreed. And if the industry themselves give 20% as their number for greenhouse emissions, you know it's a hell of a lot worse than that. I'm a vegan for health and environmental concerns as well.

    5. Re:Unrealistic..let's just take a look. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      This article is a little late, most places reported this back in October. It was 3-5% of the diet for the reduction. Now it is also only one type of seaweed that produces the dramatic reduction.

      Now it does bring in a possible business venture of seaweed farming, one of the other articles from when this was first reported estimated roughly 700 square miles of seaweed farms would be needed for the US, and about 250 for Australia. With current seaweed farming basically being null there is plenty of room for growth.

      The other option is isolate the compound and supplement existing feed.

    6. Re:Unrealistic..let's just take a look. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EPA gives them agriculture 9% for the US as of 2014 which appears to be the most recent report I find on their site.
      https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions#agriculture

      It also notes:
      Livestock, especially cattle, produce methane (CH4) as part of their digestion. This process is called enteric fermentation, and it represents almost one third of the emissions from the Agriculture sector.

      So that would work out to about 3% of the US emissions are from livestock, which makes that 20% seem kind of high, but I guess for many parts of the world livestock would be the number 1 producer, but those are also areas that are unlikely to implement a system to supplement cattle feed with seaweed.

    7. Re:Unrealistic..let's just take a look. by Vegan+Cyclist · · Score: 1

      I know you're probably joking, but bear in mind that with vegans, we fart ourselves. Everyone else has cows, pigs, chickens and other livestock farting on their behalf....so not really. ;)

    8. Re:Unrealistic..let's just take a look. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's a lot we could cut out very quickly if the will existed.

      I am an omnivore but as I have gotten older, I have made an effort to consume less meat in general and less red meat in particular. I still enjoy a nice juicy steak from time to time and I still enjoy wing night. My point though is that the will does not exist and we are unlikely to ever see that happen.

      Do we let perfect be the enemy of the good? If greenhouse emissions are the problem we think they are and if this is a way we can cut them be double-digit percentages, we should probably explore the idea to find out if it's feasible.

    9. Re:Unrealistic..let's just take a look. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What percentage of greenhouse emissions attributable to human? Wouldn't it be more efficient to cull some of the human population?

      I propose we cull human from Africa. There will be less resistance and Africa is the most populous area next to China.

    10. Re:Unrealistic..let's just take a look. by superwiz · · Score: 1

      Fisheries can probably be adopted to grow seaweed instead of fish. It would be a huge additional business for them. It may also be cheaper to grow feed that way (the harvesting cost would probably be smaller).

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    11. Re:Unrealistic..let's just take a look. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People think *I'm* crazy as a vegan

      Why do vegans always have to point out they are vegans? Your post was coherent and informative. Stating that you were a vegan did not bring anymore information to the picture you narrated. Oh and BTW I am a vegan as well....

      Do you see what I mean? Nothing against you I just find it odd.

    12. Re:Unrealistic..let's just take a look. by Solandri · · Score: 0
      Usually the way this sort of thing works is you discover a natural source which has the desired effect. That natural source is then tested widely (instead of by a single researcher on a single farm) to determine if it really does have the desired effect. Once it's established that it really does what is claimed, then either they set about figuring a way to grow enough of it naturally, or isolating the compound which creates the desired effect so it can be manufactured in sufficient quantity.

      Annual global seaweed harvest was 28,000 metric tons (61,729,433lbs) in '88 according to Wikipedia.

      And your 28,000 metric tons figure must be for a single country or a single species of seaweed, not properly fact-checked by Wikipedia's editors since it references a paper article instead of web link. Seaweed is a staple food in Asia, and global production is about 25 million tons annually. Even in the late 1980s it was nearly 5 million tons/yr.

      But take note, according to this pro-meat article, livestock accounts for 20% of greenhouse emissions. Should be worrisome to anyone consuming cows or dairy...that's a lot we could cut out very quickly if the will existed.

      A large part of the world's open plains have been fenced off for livestock. If you eliminated livestock, you wouldn't eliminate those methane emissions. Those open areas wouldn't need to be fenced anymore, and those wild grasses would instead be consumed by wild herbivores who would produce the same amount of methane (or more).

      Livestock feed also represents a convenient sink for excess grain production due to our policy of overproducing food to prevent shortages (having too much food is a much preferable problem to not having enough). In the U.S. at least, the government has been subsidizing farming since the Great Depression to prevent a repeat of the famine which followed the dust bowl (drought and windstorms which blew away much of the topsoil on farms in the Great Plains). Farmers are encouraged to overproduce, and some are paid to leave their fields unplanted just so we'll have excess farmland if there's another dust bowl. Normally this would crater the price for grains since supply exceeds demand. So the government buys all the grain at a set price high enough to keep the farmers in businesses, reselling what people need for food.

      The excess grain is used for a variety of things - feed for cattle, converted into high fructose corn syrup as a substitute for imported cane sugar, foreign food aid, and ethanol production being the major ones. (This is why we use corn for ethanol even though economically it's a terrible crop for making ethanol. When the program was first started, it was excess corn being turned into ethanol. The cost to grow it was a sunk cost, so didn't factor into the economics. But then the corn lobby got their hands on it and now we wastefully grow corn for the explicit purpose of converting it into ethanol.) Eliminate feed for cattle and we'd have a lot more excess grain every year. We'd have to figure out something else to do with that grain, or the government would have to scale back these food production subsidies, putting us at greater risk of food shortages.

    13. Re:Unrealistic..let's just take a look. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      People think *I'm* crazy as a vegan. But take note, according to this pro-meat article, livestock accounts for 20% of greenhouse emissions.

      That depends, did you or are you intending to reproduce? If so your actions there are many orders of magnitude worse for the environment and global green house gas emissions than your diet will ever be.

    14. Re:Unrealistic..let's just take a look. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Those open areas wouldn't need to be fenced anymore, and those wild grasses would instead be consumed by wild herbivores who would produce the same amount of methane (or more)

      That's not true, nor can you come close to showing that it's true. Methane is a byproduct of the specific cow digestion (multiple stomachs that include fermenting) and the foliage will not necessarily be consumed by anything. Sheesh.

    15. Re:Unrealistic..let's just take a look. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not instead of, in line with! One of the major complaints about fish farming is the increased nutrients in the water output from the fishery. If you captured that with the seaweed you get the bonus round

    16. Re:Unrealistic..let's just take a look. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And his children are likely to be vegan and influence future vegans, most likely a net-benefit (offset). While the alternative comparison is a meater reproducing (who statistically reproduce more) and their meater children reenforcing the status quo.

    17. Re:Unrealistic..let's just take a look. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but they don't fart in lifts, shared offices, cinemas....

    18. Re:Unrealistic..let's just take a look. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are ~100 million cows in the US.

      They each eat about 24lbs of food a day.

      Doesn't say what proportion of that has to be seaweed, but even if it's just a pound a day, that's 100 million pounds of seaweed every day. 36.5 billion pounds a year.

      Annual global seaweed harvest was 28,000 metric tons (61,729,433lbs) in '88 according to Wikipedia.

      And there are lots more cows around the rest of the world (upwards of 1.5 billion).

      People think *I'm* crazy as a vegan. But take note, according to this pro-meat article, livestock accounts for 20% of greenhouse emissions. Should be worrisome to anyone consuming cows or dairy...that's a lot we could cut out very quickly if the will existed.

      Seaweed doesn't have to grow in the sea. I'm sure we can figure out a way to grow it hydroponically

  23. price? by gravewax · · Score: 1

    biggest challenge I would have thought would be ensuring cost effectiveness, a key part of producing Cattle feed is getting the cost right. processing seaweed surely can't be cheap?

  24. Remember the old days. by Patent+Lover · · Score: 1

    Grass.

    1. Re:Remember the old days. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But now it's legal to smoke the Grass, so it's in short supply

  25. Prime candidate for GMO feed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rather than trying to turn ocean into seaweed producing 'fields', finding out just what in that particular seaweed eliminates methane and try to splice it into regular cattle feed might be the way to go. Also if they do that they will patent it to keep market to themselves/create 'climate change' laws to force it's use/$$$$$...

    The real problem in the world is overpopulation of the human filth.

    1. Re:Prime candidate for GMO feed. by slashrio · · Score: 1

      Can't we turn the problem around and just grow sea cows?

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    2. Re:Prime candidate for GMO feed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Manatees are protected but they breed slowly, and don't taste very good.

    3. Re:Prime candidate for GMO feed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hippopotami are also known as sea cows, but I have no idea how much they fart.

  26. Very Good by pcgamesandsoftwares · · Score: 0

    A P.E.I. farmer has helped lead to a researcher's discovery of an unlikely weapon in the battle against global warming: a seaweed that nearly eliminates the destructive methane content of cow burps and farts. Stronghold Crusader Game Joe Dorgan began feeding his cattle seaweed from nearby beaches more than a decade ago as a way to cut costs on his farm in Seacow Pond. He was so impressed with the improvements he saw in his herd, he decided to turn the seaweed into a product. "There's a mixture of Irish moss, rockweed and kelp, and just going to waste," he said. "And I knew it was good because years ago, our ancestors, that's what they done their business with." Then researcher Rob Kinley caught wind of it.

  27. Fat by Orgasmatron · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What does it do to the fatty acids in the beef?

    Mammals are unable to relocate the double bond in fatty acids that we eat. (If you aren't up on this stuff, that is the omega number.) To make a long story short, the essential fatty acids in our bodies are the essential fatty acids in the feed that we raise our food with. Switching most of our beef and milk from grass to corn changed the balance that they eat and thus the balance that we eat. And it was probably unwise to do that without any understanding of what that would do (is doing) to us.

    I don't care about methane one way or the other, but the long running chemistry experiment that is our food supply bothers me a little bit.

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    1. Re: Fat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You don't care that the methane is a huge global warming trap? What's wrong with you?

    2. Re: Fat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't decide whether you're more retarded or more douchey. Either way, you're a retarded douchbag.

    3. Re: Fat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If anyone believed that global warming was real, they would've been screaming to get a nuclear reactor installed on every street corner.

      That's like saying "if Libertarians didn't really believe in global warming they wouldn't be advocating nuclear power to solve a problem that doesn't even exist in their minds," therefor global warming is real.

    4. Re:Fat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Seaweed can be reasonably high in Omega-3's. So this aspect is potentially a plus (as can grass fed beef--e.g., http://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1475-2891-9-10 ). There are plenty of nutritionists that would love to verify the fatty acid profile if this comes anywhere close to catching on. Also, there are already people trying to market similar things: http://www.omega3beef.com/about/faq/#.WDHAztArLnB . As a side note, it would be interesting to know how seaweed alters the flavor of the beef.

    5. Re: Fat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are so full of shit. You don't actually believe this, but it's a fun strawman for you. You regularly post garbage like this.

      I like the scientific idea of nuclear power, but don't support using current methods because we don't know what to do with the waste. The same kind of rational scientific thought that made nuclear reactors possible lead to the idea of global warming. If you don't believe in it, go back to banging rocks together in a cave while the tides rise. The rest of us have science to apply and work to do.

    6. Re: Fat by fygment · · Score: 1

      Tend to agree with this. Fact is, it's always about pointing to someone _else_ to do the fixing. It's never "_I_ will do without my fave foods (beef?)/air conditioning/car/phone and PC and TV/swimming pool/fast food ..." And as always no solutions (for others to implement) are valid except a return to the Stone Age ... which simply isn't an option. Nuclear power is safely manageable and the most logical solution to clean energy. Educate yourself if you think otherwise ... and _do_ something about climate change besides ranting about it online.

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    7. Re:Fat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, let's get to the important part: What does it do to how the beef tastes?

    8. Re: Fat by Orgasmatron · · Score: 2

      How many times have you spoken to your congressmen about your ideas regarding nuclear power? Has he ever sponsored bills promoting research into addressing whatever deficiencies you perceive to exist with the nuclear power program?

      What? You don't know your congressman's name, much less how to reach him?

      I don't know you at all. Maybe you are the exception. Maybe you actually are deeply involved. But for 99% of the people reading this, for 99% of the people who "care about global warming", they've done nothing. They'll never do anything. Because they don't actually care enough to pick up the phone or send an email.

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  28. evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you know, if you stopped force-feeding cattle something they weren't evolved to eat (corn) and let them eat grass, that whole methane problem would go away.

  29. EPA polution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump appointed a lawyer from a climate denial lobby outfit to his EPA transition team, so you can expect the EPA to withdraw the CO2 as pollutant legal basis for their climate studies.

    1. Re:EPA polution by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      That still leaves the methane. Cows gotta go.

  30. seaweed feed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Here in the UK,it used to be common practice for farmers on islands or coastal regions to feed stock seaweed and/or allow stock to graze on beaches etc.
    There were a couple of premium meats obtained from seaweed Fed animals,one was lamb from an area of Wales,if I remember correctly and another was beef from some whete in Scotland I believe..
    I think they still do feed seaweed on the Hebrides and faroe islands..
    Another one place that fed seaweed was Tristan da cunha,down in the south atlantic,when the islands were evacuated in the 1960's,many of them settled around the new forest area and I can remember playing and talking with some of the kids who complained that our meats didn't taste right to them,but they soon discovered a farm on the local coast where cattle grazed on beaches and tidal marshes and got some of their meat from there..
    It's usually done out of necessity because of a shortage of other forage and grass..
    The world turns and turns and we discover that some of the old ways had other unknown advantages,just like some of the old breeds of farm stock had advantages over our current cloned,small gene-pool mass production breeds..
    We still have an awful lot to learn or sometimes re-learn..

    1. Re:seaweed feed by jblues · · Score: 1

      Yup, also Jersey cows were fed seaweed - makes sense being on an island - and it apparently gives the dairy products a characteristic (not unpleasant) taste.

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  31. Re:K2 by hackwrench · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's the vitamin K2 or precursors of the seaweed in question? What's the typical route for materials in cow food to K2 in cows?

  32. In reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Most seaweeds have no taste at all.
    Many of them can be processed to create jelly like "agar" with even less taste.

    1. Re:In reality by Joce640k · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Whoosh.

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  33. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You seem to be showing yourself as a blithering idiot.

    This is about Methane, not CO2.

  34. Half-life of methane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Methane has a half life of 7 years in the atmosphere. It seems like this shouldn'the be our main concern.

  35. Re:K2 by slashrio · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Good scientific questions that should have been answered and have the answers compared before stating that seaweed is a solution for cow feeds.

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  36. Re: Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Even better,

    If you feed Marijuana to a cow the bovine just stops giving a shit.

    Just lies there all week listening to Marley and getting the whole wheat munchies.

  37. I thought I read this a while back ... by evanh · · Score: 1

    A quick search nets me http://journals.plos.org/ploso... a 2013 submission. Quote: "The most effective species, Asparagopsis, offers the most promising alternative for mitigation of enteric CH4 emissions."

  38. Not only that... by bluegutang · · Score: 1

    Seaweed is also being studied as a means of carbon sequestration.
    So grow vast amounts of seaweed, feed some of it to cows, and you've got a "two for the price of one" effect on global warming.

  39. Hopeful Cows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cows: "Seaweed day! Is it Green, Yellow, Red today?"
    A cow that has seen the truth: "Green, it's made of cows! Moo!"

  40. Re:Awesome! by Visarga · · Score: 1

    Methane, not CO2, if you were careful to read. Methane is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2 (30 times more potent) so the effects on reducing global warming would be much higher.

  41. Will the Canadian agriculture minister by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    be allowed to talk about this in the Canadian parliament, given the fuss the last time fart was said in parliament?

  42. A Modest Proposal by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

    Fucking humans keep breeding more and more cows, not to mention all the other ways they're polluting the environment. I say we kill and eat those fuckers instead!

    1. Re:A Modest Proposal by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Every time we start killing them people get upset about it. It's a simple solution to so many problems but political untenable.

  43. Feeding seaweed to.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Soon it will be the "secret ingredient" in your wife's new chili recipe!

  44. seaweed taste for cows by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Actually, that was the first thing I wondered - do the cows like it? Or are they SOL since they have no way of telling their owners that it sucks?

    1. Re: seaweed taste for cows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who cares ?

    2. Re: seaweed taste for cows by billdale · · Score: 0

      Very simple: you merely need to offer three piles of Cow Veggies: red seaweed, traditional feed, and a mix of the two. What little I know about cattle, my money is on the red-weed... humans, as well as many other animals, I susprct, typically do not like the feel of gas emission, and it does not interrupt the feeding process as gas tries to go back up the esophagus. Gastric juices damage the esophageal walls. I certainly hope this works,, even though I stopped eating beef and pork decades ago, knowing all the problems with it--- it requires far more feed per pound of beef than it does for chicken or turkey, for instance, and the form of iron in beef is not favorable to the human diet, causing health problems that iron from other sources does not.

    3. Re: seaweed taste for cows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who cares ?

      The people eating the beef and drinking the milk that came from the cows?

    4. Re: seaweed taste for cows by tattood · · Score: 1

      humans, as well as many other animals, I susprct, typically do not like the feel of gas emission, and it does not interrupt the feeding process as gas tries to go back up the esophagus. Gastric juices damage the esophageal walls.

      I doubt that the cows are smart enough to remember that the seaweed gave them less gas, and therefore they should eat that instead. I'm sure the cow will go for whatever tastes the best, if any.

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    5. Re: seaweed taste for cows by billdale · · Score: 0

      On the contrary, check with any veterinarian: animals DO pay attention to those things that make them sick, and avoid them. That is, why coloration is so effective in protecting poisonous animals--- the first time they try to eat something that makes them sick, they remember the appearance and coloration of what they bit and avoid it. Stop trying so hard to make healthy foods something they are not. If you wanna pollute your body with Big Macs, fries and Cokes, fine, but don't be trying to convince everyone else to follow you over the cliff.

  45. Re:Awesome! by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Better idea for reducing AGW - just legislate that all animals - including human beings - should perform photosynthesis, so that the carbon footprint is heavily reduced

  46. OP's Mum Had a Change in Diet and That is News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NT

  47. At what cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The study hypothesizes (but only cursorily investigates) two mechanisms for the methane reduction:
      - the seaweed is eating part of the cow's food and producing natural antibiotics
      - the seaweed contains heavy metals that are antibiotic

    The bacteria/protozoans/etc. in the cow's gut are nutritionally necessary, and the heavy metals may be poisonous to humans.

    I think this might be okay because everything in biology is a matter of concentration, and there's nothing too magical about the default gut flora. There are a lot of gut fermentation reactions happening, and it's plausible rifling through ocean algae might target mostly methane-producing fermentation while leaving most useful fermentation alone. It's reasonable to expect tampering with these reactions can net-improve them even if the tampering does harm some useful reactions. But it also seems reasonable to be concerned about wasted feed or subtly poisoned meat with this approach, so I'd be happier to see a study that included that constraint in its selection of the best algae.

    It may be also that a chemical antibiotic (gasp!) would be safer than the natural ones. If the hypothesis is correct, it's not so different: the antibiotic-"free" alternative is like growing penicillin in the cow's gut instead of in a drug company vat. I feel like some of this organic, antibiotic-free stuff is tying the hands of the agricultural industry so they can't cheat us. If we instead had a sincere agricultural industry, like academia decides the methods and industry must choose from the menu, we might not benefit from the fancy-food restrictions any more.

  48. Consumer Reaction Will Cause Ag To Avoid by Captain+Ramage · · Score: 1

    I was stationed in the UK in the early 80's. The British farmers providing our chicken were feeding their chickens fish meal. This gave the chicken a decidedly fishy taste. The Brits couldn't taste it, but us Americans could. It actually caused a revolt amongst the military wives and because we could not find a British supplier that could reliably provide non-fish flavored chicken, we were able to go around the Status of Forces Agreement's local suppliers clause and import American chicken. Can you imagine what will happen if American beef or pork starts to taste like it came from the sea?

  49. So how to get more seaweed? - more CO2 by xtronics · · Score: 1

    Seaweed grows faster with more CO2 - just one of those facts that interferes with the dominate narrative.

    That being said - Instead, they should feed seaweed to chickens instead of corn - chicken meat is super high in LA(the most common O-6) - I think LA is the likely cause of the obesity pandemic and the great increase in depression after the 1960's when it was introduced on the market. Concentrated veg oils are obviously not human food.

    The increase in CO2 has slowed - in part due to the great increase of plant mass:

    http://www.nature.com/articles...

    "Over the past 50 years, the amount of CO2 absorbed by the oceans and terrestrial biosphere annually has more than doubled"

    Not sure how this can be happening - as everyone says the science is settled...

    So what happens if it doubles again over the next 50 years?

  50. Can ocean/climate afford the decimation ... by fygment · · Score: 1

    ... of seaweed? Just something to consider as every action in the environment has consequences.

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  51. Cows are 1/4 of the population of the USA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, ~330 million people and ~100 million cows? Holy shit. No wonder they chose to kill all those bison to have space!

  52. I'm goin' down to cow town... by blindseer · · Score: 1

    because cows are friends to me.
    They live beneath the ocean and that's where I will be, beneath the waves, the waves. That's where I'll be. I'm goin' to see the cows beneath the sea.

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  53. Sensationalist headline, again. by lbalbalba · · Score: 1
    The headline says :

    "Feeding Seaweed To Cows Eliminates Methane Emissions"

    The summary and article says:

    "it reduced the methane in the cows' burps and farts by about 20 per cent"

    1. Re:Sensationalist headline, again. by Baldrake · · Score: 1

      I know reading is hard and all, but the summary goes on to say (emphasis added):

      "Kinley knew he was on to something, so he did further testing with 30 to 40 other seaweeds. That led him to a red seaweed Asparagopsis taxiformis he says reduces methane in cows burps and farts to almost nothing."

  54. Re:K2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bacteria convert the K1 in grass to K2. That being said, we could always eat natto.

  55. For humans too? by LaerKH · · Score: 0

    Will any of this stuff be available for humans to slip into their gaseous partner’s feed trough? :-O

  56. Wait, What?? by ChoosyBeggar · · Score: 1

    I've been feeding my cows chili-dogs and onion-rings!