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Russian Propaganda Effort Helped Spread 'Fake News' During Election, Experts Say (usatoday.com)

According to the Washington Post (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternate source), the "fake news" phenomenon that circulated thousands of phony stories during the election was aided by a sophisticated Russian propaganda effort that aimed to punish Democrat Hillary Clinton, help Republican Donald Trump and undermine faith in American democracy. Slashdot reader xtsigs shares with us an excerpt from the Washington Post's report: The flood of "fake news" this election season got support from a sophisticated Russian propaganda campaign that created and spread misleading articles online with the goal of punishing Democrat Hillary Clinton, helping Republican Donald Trump and undermining faith in American democracy, say independent researchers who tracked the operation. Russia's increasingly sophisticated propaganda machinery -- including thousands of botnets, teams of paid human "trolls," and networks of websites and social-media accounts -- echoed and amplified right-wing sites across the Internet as they portrayed Clinton as a criminal hiding potentially fatal health problems and preparing to hand control of the nation to a shadowy cabal of global financiers. The effort also sought to heighten the appearance of international tensions and promote fear of looming hostilities with nuclear-armed Russia. Two teams of independent researchers found that the Russians exploited American-made technology platforms to attack U.S. democracy at a particularly vulnerable moment, as an insurgent candidate harnessed a wide range of grievances to claim the White House.

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  1. Not by jbmartin6 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just yesterday CNN was running some fake news about a researcher proposing a vote recount, and said researcher had to log a disclaimer. I suppose the Russians were behind that too. They must have also been behind all the fake news about iraq having weapons of mass destruction. Those cunning bastards! Time to call in moose and squirrel!

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    1. Re: Not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Thanks, jbmartin6, for some additional fake news. There has been no "disclaimer." I even question whether you're a native English speaker, as a native English speaker would know that the correct word is "retraction" or "denial." So this is now it happens, Some makes an unsubstantiated claim, and those who would like to believe, do believe. Next time you post something like this "disclaimer" story, post a link so your claim can be substantiated, researched for verification by a reasonably skeptical person.
      As a side not, NPR ran a story on fake news a couple of days ago (http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs) in which they tracked down and interviewed a purveyor of fake news, who made quite a bit of money during this election. One of the things he said in his extended interview was that he tried fake news on the left, but it didn't work. Liberals debunked misinformation in the comments fairly quickly and the stories dies. On the other hand, conservative fake news was eaten up and spread. Draw your own conclusions.

    2. Re: Not by jbmartin6 · · Score: 2

      The story and the disclaimer (look it up in a dictionary, this is a correct use of the word. Even an AC can learn that being snide isn't productive.) were covered on /.

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  2. Experts Say? by segedunum · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What a load of total and unadulterated crap. No one believes it because there's no evidence, they've been lied to before (Iraq, fake news?) and the 'mainstream' press have gone into a massive meltdown, looking for anyone, something, whatever, to blame apart from themselves. The fake news offensive is extremely ironic, and really quite sad.

    1. Re:Experts Say? by anarcobra · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'll believe it when they write an article citing specific "fake news" with proof that it was written by russians and helped sway the election.
      Until then I'm calling BS. You can call anything "fake news", and you can claim that everything online was written by the russians.

    2. Re:Experts Say? by wevets · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, there's plenty of evidence. NPR had a piece recently which you can listen to at http://www.npr.org/sections/al..., They found a guy, actually a Hillary voter, who made a reasonable amount of money putting out fake news during the run-up to the election. Listen, read, and see what you think. As a side line, I was a member of a right wing meetup group during the primaries. Someone posted a story that originated with that nut job Alex Jones (I hope he sues me) saying that some TV station in Wisconsin was reporting a guy who claims his vote was switched from Cruz to Trump (primaries). Their mistake was they cited the station. I called and they not only didn't put out the story but had never heard of the person alleged to have had his vote switched. By this time, however, the story had been widely spread throughout the Alt-Right bubble. Moral, don't believe a story until the source cites enough info, links, legitimate news organizations, or whatever so that you can verify the story yourself. Without that, there is a high probability that you're being lied to. BTW, I recently saw a news item that Trump was a paid agent of the KGB during the 1980's.

    3. Re:Experts Say? by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Funny

      Please come back to our paper and subscribe. Enjoy safe news.

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    4. Re:Experts Say? by anarcobra · · Score: 2

      > BTW, I recently saw a news item that Trump was a paid agent of the KGB during the 1980's.

      Good one. lol

    5. Re:Experts Say? by Uberbah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, there's plenty of evidence. NPR had a piece recently which you can listen to at http://www.npr.org/sections/al..., They found a guy, actually a Hillary voter

      So, not a Russian then. And it was known many months ago that David Brock was hiring people to troll on Hillary's behalf.

    6. Re:Experts Say? by wevets · · Score: 2

      Doesn't mean the Russians aren't involved. There are reports of a whole town in Macedonia alleged to be under the direction of Russian intelligence hosting up to 100 fake news sites and reaping lots from ad clicks. Check out https://www.washingtonpost.com... It's silly to assume that because one person pushing fake news has been identified that there aren't lots of others doing it. This is apparently a growth business preying on the gullible, who seem predominantly to be conservatives. Are you silly? As far are your claim about David Brock, can you cite a source that can be independently verified as I have done with my reports? Or is yours just another piece of fake news?

  3. really ? by Tom · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As if HC needed help in not being trusted and being generally despised. She is literally the only candidate who could have possibly lost to Trump. The only person actually susceptible to his style of personal attacks and no content.

    With the DNC actions and the trickery and deceit they used to get Clinton past Sanders, no further propaganda was necessary to demolish HC. If some imaginary russian PR agency had been tasked with invention stories that put HC into a bad light, they couldn't possibly come up with such a shit. They would've been told "come on guys, it has to be at least borderline believable".

    Russia didn't need to do anything here. HC demolished her chances all by herself.

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    1. Re:really ? by dbIII · · Score: 2

      Russia didn't need to do anything here

      Yes but it's possible they did it anyway.
      Putin has had intense personal hatred of Bill Clinton for years since Kosovo was bombed without Russia being informed - he just about built his political career on ranting about Clinton's America. He's not fond of Hillary either. Russia does that sort of shit and Putin has a motive so it can't be dismissed out of hand.

    2. Re:really ? by Tom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And you think that the west needs to look up "propaganda" on Wikipedia? There has been anti-russian propaganda in Europe at least since the first World War. Of course there is Russian propaganda as well, and German, and British and American, and Chinese - everyone plays this game.

      Putin is leading a full-scale propaganda war against the west, intended at undermining trust in our democarcies and our institutions.

      Someone send him a mail that he can save that money for other things, we're doing a splendid job at accomplishing that goal all by ourselves.

      If you still trust our institutions after they've been taken over completely by neocons and neoliberals, after the financial crisis and the bank bail-outs, after (America) GWB and HC and all that shit or (Europe) the Cyprus robbery, the undermining of the elected government in Greece or the anti-democratic actions against the regional governments in Spain - if you still think that our institutions work for the good of the people, I have a lot of bridges that just got 10% off and you should buy them right away before someone else snatches them up.

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  4. can we please stop this 'fake news' bullshit by nimbius · · Score: 4, Insightful
    memes, clickbait, and outright BS on the internet has been a thing since the first ARPANet users started advertising the Rockwell Turbo Encabulator as an engineering joke. this isnt some new and uncontrollable menace thats only now become some insurmountable boundary to a free and open election in the United States.

    The flood of "fake news" this election season got support from a sophisticated Russian propaganda campaign that created and spread misleading articles online with the goal of punishing Democrat Hillary Clinton

    Yes, regular campaigns from 4chans /pol board aimed at 'meme magic' 'meme war' and other pepe based shilling against the candidate existed but /pol has been a lightning rod for this sort of MAD Magazine kind of crap for a while. 4chan and 9gag memes make their way into social media very readily, with or without state actors..

    Please stop beating the Russian horse. Occam's Razor argues that either there is a deeply clandestine and inexplicably state backed multi-million dollar effort from Russia to sway american elections for an equally inexplicable reason, or, just maybe, hillary clinton was a turd of a candidate that rigged her own primary, had no tenable domestic or foreign policy outside the Harlem Shake, and spoke divisively against blue collar americans, and rarely if ever campaigned in their states on issues they cared about.

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    1. Re:can we please stop this 'fake news' bullshit by jeremyp · · Score: 2

      No, the difference is that now, a lot of people get their "news" off the Internet. It doesn't really matter where it came from there was a lot of outright lies posted, mostly about Clinton (but some about Trump too) and a lot of people bought them.

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    2. Re:can we please stop this 'fake news' bullshit by Bigbutt · · Score: 2

      I think most folks get their "news" from Facebook or Twitter and fail to read further or check such "facts" against other sites.

      [John]

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    3. Re:can we please stop this 'fake news' bullshit by Gussington · · Score: 2

      Please stop beating the Russian horse. Occam's Razor argues that either there is a deeply clandestine and inexplicably state backed multi-million dollar effort from Russia to sway american elections for an equally inexplicable reason,

      It's not inexplicable. What is not explainable to you about a state pushing foreign elections in their favour? We've been doing it to others for decades, so it isn't inexplicable at all. In fact it would be more inexplicable if they weren't doing it (along with the Chinese, North Koreans, Iranians and every other enemy of the West
      If you think this is too clandestine and too expensive then I suggest some reading on the Soviet Cold War effort. Putin and his cohorts are ex-KGB, they were trained exactly in this type of thing.

      or, just maybe, hillary clinton was a turd of a candidate that rigged her own primary, had no tenable domestic or foreign policy outside the Harlem Shake, and spoke divisively against blue collar americans, and rarely if ever campaigned in their states on issues they cared about.

      That can also be true, the two are not mutually exclusive. It would be naive to think that any national superpower isn't engaging in expensive and clandestine operations for their own benefit. Put the Hillary/Trump thing to one side for a minute and ask yourself, if a capable state did want to engage in such activity, how difficult would it be, and what could we do to prevent it?
      The KGB already admitted they were behind a lot of the US peace movements in the 60's, specifically designed to disrupt the US cold war effort. So how is this any different?

  5. Bah! Who needs Russians? by reboot246 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I get all the fake news I can stand from MSNBC, CNN, CNBC, FoxNews, NYT, Washington Post, etc. etc. etc.

    I believe the corporate news people are really pushing the "fake news" stories to try to discredit and/or censor legitimate news sources that they don't agree with. Just stop it already. Americans are smarter than they think, but if a few are so stupid they can't tell real news from fake news, I'd rather they not vote anyway.

    I wonder if this crap is revenge for some people calling Democrat voters "low information voters".

    1. Re:Bah! Who needs Russians? by Bigbutt · · Score: 2

      The problem is the folks who believe fake news _do_ vote.

      [John]

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    2. Re:Bah! Who needs Russians? by bmo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Putin is leading a full-scale propaganda war against the west, intended at undermining trust in our democarcies and our institutions.

      Putin did?

      The Republicans spent the last 40 years undermining trust in our institutions and democracies. The whole fucking last 8 years was a de-legitimization campaign against the executive branch. Stupid shit like "starve the beast" and the "norquist pledge" are the rallying cries for a race to the bottom in governance. And the Democrats let them do it. Because they've been running away from "common man politics" because anything left of the John Birch Society is "socialism." Political cowardice has governed the Democrats ever since Reagan won.

      And the Press have shown even more cowardice, refusing to call out obvious bullshit and giving bloviating idiots like Trump FOUR billion fucking dollars of free air time. Because a clown-car wreck is more entertaining than covering issues. And any politician caught talking about issues (and their supporters) was ridiculed or ignored. And anything coming out of Hillary's mouth was golden, somehow, even if it was disingenuous (standing on stage next to Bernie mouthing the issues we all know damn well that she would abandon if elected).

      Hillary's only selling point that she emphasized was that she "wasn't Trump." Big fuckin' deal. If you're going to elect "not trump" then a ham sandwich could stand in for that position. At least a ham sandwich didn't have the awful negatives that Hillary had. Hillary's campaign was the most tone-deaf thing I have had to waste my time watching go over a cliff.

      The cynicism, self-dealing, gas-lighting, all of it made voters turn their noses up in disgust.

      Putin didn't have to do a goddamned thing to undermine faith in our democracy and institutions. The people charged with running them have abdicated their responsibilities in favor of their own prurient interests.

      I suggest that it's you who has to wake up.

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    3. Re:Bah! Who needs Russians? by coastwalker · · Score: 2

      Great, it is so refreshing to see an analysis which sums the whole thing up in so few words. Trump and Hilary were both dreadful candidates and neither the American people or Putin have won anything.

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  6. Re:I didn't need the Russians by hambone142 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Our fake news said Hillary had a 99% chance of winning the election.

    We don't need Russians for fake news. The US can do pretty well making its own.

  7. Re: WaPo? by Xenographic · · Score: 5, Informative

    Aside from them holding clandestine events with the DNC their own lawyers said they couldn't do?

    Note the email subject is "WaPo party" (i.e. Washington Post) and in response to the statement "They aren't going to give us a price per ticket and do not want their party listed in any package we are selling to donors. If we let them know we have donors in town who will be at the debate, we can add them to the list for the party." we get the reply "Great - we were never going to list since the lawyers told us we cannot do it."

    Also, we're totally ignoring that Hillary had her "nerd virgins" (their own words for these people) from Correct The Record doing this.

  8. Re: WaPo? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 3, Informative

    Kuwaiti incubator babies
    Saddam did 9/11
    Nigerian yellowcake
    Iraq's WMD

    That's just one set of and endless series.

    I don't think the US needs help getting fake news on Page 1 lede.

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  9. Re:WaPo? by Bigbutt · · Score: 2

    Thanks for the input, Comrade.

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  10. Feel free to stop fucking that Russian chicken... by Uberbah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...at any time. There is no evidence that Russia did anything whatsoever to influence this election, just assertions from the same people that told you that Saddam had dies to Al Queda and had a nuclear weapons program in 2002. This is asinine for two more reasons as well:

    1) The idiots pushing this story tend to be the same sort of person who scream and sneer that you're a conspiracy theorist for suspecting Saudi involvement with 911, that the OWS crackdown was federally coordinated, that the DNC conspired with the Hillary campaign to ratfuck Sanders...until information is leaked that confirms those "theories". At which point STFU because it's old news.

    2) The United States has been in the business of trying to spy on the communications of every person on the planet. As 911, the anthrax attacks, and the Boston Marathon bombing show, it's completely worthless in its advertised function - catching terrorist attacks before they happen. It would, however, be a great system if you want to engage in the exact sort of influencing of politics and elections that the U.S. is accusing Russia of doing.

    Lets be real here. Under Obama, the United States has been willing to murder American teenagers with drones, bomb hospitals, start wars without Congressional authorization, and overthrow democracies - and you think they're just sitting on all this illicit information that could be used to discredit or blackmail people it doesn't like?

  11. Re:Red scare? by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    Down the list AC:
    http://time.com/4472169/russia...
    " did not say whether the hackers were working for the Russian government"
    http://time.com/4471042/fbi-vo...
    "It's unclear who targeted the databases"
    "Cyber Division did not identify the intruders or the two states targeted"

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  12. WaPo - leaders in the post-fact era by Xenographic · · Score: 3, Informative

    Fortune is already calling BS on this story: http://fortune.com/2016/11/25/russian-fake-news/

    1. Re:WaPo - leaders in the post-fact era by Grieviant · · Score: 2

      As is Glenn Greenwald. Regarding the second set of "independent researchers", a group by the name of PropOrNot:
      https://twitter.com/ggreenwald...

      And as for the first source, The Foreign Policy Research Institute's motto is:
      "Bringing the insights of scholarship to bear on the development of policies that advance U.S. national interests"

    2. Re:WaPo - leaders in the post-fact era by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except it's not BS. I'm multilingual and follow some main online news publications of different European countries. What the US has witnessed now has been happening in Europe since Russia annexed Crimea. Russian government trolls are flooding discussion forums with pro-Putin and anti NATO / western propaganda, linking to phony stories on Russian news websites for "proof". They try to undermine trust in our democratic institutions spreading all kinds of wild conspiracy theories while accusing others of conspiracy theories when they are called out.
      Russia is leading a full-scale propaganda war against the west, trying to change public opinion while funding far-right groups across Europe. They are basically trying to destabilize us. It's no joke:

      https://www.theguardian.com/wo...
      http://www.businessinsider.de/...
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...
      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/...

      I guess Russia has recently extended its operations to the US and has been disturbingly successful. The weakest candidate - Trump - became president, and the Duma applauded and cheered:

      http://www.independent.co.uk/n...

    3. Re:WaPo - leaders in the post-fact era by Rei · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Some of their criticisms are fair. However:

      The group has a web-browser plug-in that is supposed to highlight sources of Russian propaganda online, but a number of observers on Twitter noted that this blacklist of sites includes several legitimate left-wing sites such as CounterPunch and Truth Out.

      I ended up blacklisting both of those sites on my Google News feed when they basically became indistinguishable from RT and Sputnik. These days they extensively source from Russian propaganda outlets, as well as using a lot of writers who also write for Russian propaganda outlets. The group's site explicitly states that they're not just listing sources, but also websites with a history of repeating Russian propaganda outlets and talking points.

      Just looking at the front page of CounterPunch right now, to pick an example, I see this writing stuff like "In Ukraine, where the neoconservatives around Clinton and Nuland funded and brought about the overthrow of the elected government right on Russia’s borders, provoking a fast and unequivocal response by President Vladimir Putin (part of whose navy was always stationed in an important base in the Crimea), it is common (fictional) knowledge in the Euro-Media that the entire war there is about “Russian aggression”..."

      Of course, that's mild compared to a lot of what I've seen. Some of which contains quotes almost verbatim from Sputnik and RT articles. This particular case here is just talking points.

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    4. Re:WaPo - leaders in the post-fact era by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Great. Now we've got fake comments. How you got around the lameness filter is a good one though. Especially since this has been posted half a dozen times, word-for-word.

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    5. Re:WaPo - leaders in the post-fact era by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 2

      well, if RT has "debunked" it then I'm convinced.

      What more do we need?

      There's a big difference between accepting that Russia manipulates social media and believing they're behind every "fake" news story.

    6. Re:WaPo - leaders in the post-fact era by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      I'd say 'citation needed' but I don't think you can cite something so generalised.

    7. Re:WaPo - leaders in the post-fact era by coastwalker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Interesting links. The Soviet Union and latterly Russia have maintained a strong propaganda presence in the media for decades. During the cold war the favorite channel was exceptionally attractive young women whom presumably could be trusted not to spout hateful lies whilst mellifluously catching the ear of the western strong men they were pitched at traducing. You can still hear this style of coercion in the spokespeople for Assad who are undoubtedly Russian trained. We also have the prospect of RT, the exceptionally effective television news channel which will have a video of any global event online. Most of the news is as solid as the BBC or CNN so it is probably widely watched outside the USA. The "alternative" viewpoint to the Americans is as obvious as "Al Jazzera's".

      And then we come to whatever the bright young minds in the Russian secret service might have developed over the last 50 years from traditional propaganda. I for one would be surprised if they had not become aware of the internet and the possibilities of fake bloggers and news. Under Putin there has been a resurgence of military aggressiveness by the Russians and frankly it is their style to use propaganda to undermine and attack their enemies.

      The Americans despite the amazing success of Hollywood appear unable to understand the concept of hearts and minds in furthering their interests, relying on brute military force and economic power. American propaganda is disorganized and unappealing, the message "I am rich and I have my boot on your neck" does not resonate. The USA in any case does not seem to understand the power of propaganda.

      If the Russians truly have effected a shift in the result of the American presidential election then they are to be congratulated on their cunning. What we do about it is more problematic as it attacks a weakness of our own creation. The fact free hate propaganda of the American right has created the opening for this attack by Russian fake news. For example the question of Barack Obama's birth certificate was used to attack the president despite it being a complete lie. This has opened up a channel for malicious propaganda from any source, it would be fairly hilarious if the Russians had taken advantage of it to elect Trump.

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    8. Re:WaPo - leaders in the post-fact era by coastwalker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course RT denies it, that is the job of RT for goodness sake. It is the reputable source of news with Russian propaganda as and when needed. You really ought to look at the history of propaganda through the cold war. News sources are always used to put the party line because their general truthiness is used to mask the necessary lies used to undermine the enemy. Duh!

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    9. Re:WaPo - leaders in the post-fact era by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Idiots posting nonsense in comments does very little when people post fact-based rebuttals.

      That's just flat out wishful thinking. Screw politics: just look at any one of the ludicrous EM drive threads that's come up recently. It isn't politics, it's physics. There are actual verifiable facts. You can go check them yourselves. You can read about them on hundreds of different books, websites, forums and so on. You can check all the maths from first principles too if you like.

      And yet, people still believe the nonsense comments, and nonsense articles. Once people Believe no amount of fact based rebuttals will shift them.

      And that's about physics. It's way worse when it comes to anything remotely political.

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    10. Re:WaPo - leaders in the post-fact era by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      You can pick some sources that support your view, but that isn't the point I was making. How do you even define 'hard left?' Where does the regular left end, and hard left begin? What is the relation between them - does the regular left condemn the hard at all? Who speaks on behalf of them? How might you conduct a survey of this ill-defined demographic?

      You can't even make the claim you made without first defining some terms that are very difficult to clearly define - especially as everyone involved will naturally try to define it in such a way that any undesirables are not part of their group, and ideally are part of a rival. Without some way to address this issue, it's basically a meaningless non-claim.

      The same works on the other side too. You don't have to spend too much time on biased websites to see what's going on: The right-leaning ones are full of stories about extreme social justice campaigners who want to ban gendered pronouns and demand any man accused of rape be jailed without trial, and the left-leaning ones are full of stories about religious nutcases who want to abolish driving licenses because the number on them is the mark of the beast or call for the government to jail the author of Game of Thones for producing obscene material*. People focus on the extremes of their opponents in order to taint even the more moderate people by association, and this in turn perpetuates the us-vs-them mentality that makes American politics both so entertaining and so dysfunctional.

      You can go with 'republican' and 'democrat' a bit more safely, as membership or support of a political party is well-defined and easy to survey - though you may still have a few issues with people who support a party they dislike only because they dislike the other side more, as their own views may not closely resemble the party platform.

      *All examples based on true events.

  13. Don't forget CBS by slashdice · · Score: 2
    'member when TV "news" presenter Dan Rather was fired for those faked miltiary papers about George W Bush? They were allegedly typed up on a typewriter in the late 60s/early 70s but were actually typed up in Microsoft Word (and they would have gotten away with it if they hadn't used Times) and faxed a couple times to launder it.

    "Fake but accurate", he said.

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    1. Re:Don't forget CBS by dcooper_db9 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And there's the difference. Publishers can be held accountable. Journalists who lie can be held accountable. Dan Rather got caught lying. He lost his job and his reputation.

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  14. In other fake news... by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 3, Funny

    Russian fake news deemed more credible than American fake news!

    1. Re:In other fake news... by unixisc · · Score: 3, Funny

      So 'Russian' fake news is fake fake news, and since a double negative can be a positive, the fake fake news has a better chance of being real

  15. Re: WaPo? by Xenographic · · Score: 2

    I should clarify that it's the DNC's lawyers who were against this arrangement of selling access to the WaPo party on their donor price list, not the Washington Post's.

    I still haven't seen the Washington Post explain this. Please link me to it if you ever find a response.

  16. A little boost by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think we're seeing the groundwork laid for an attack on news reporting on the net.

    Phase 1 was identifying a problem and giving it a name: "fake news".

    This has been going on for about a week, it's in the minds of the people, and we're now ready for phase 2.

    Phase 2 is proving that Russia swayed the election using an army of internet trolls, botnets, and malware (such as DDS attacks). It's important because it's an attack on Democracy.

    Once that's complete, we'll start to see a selection of possible changes that could fix the problem. Such as individual companies (Google, Facebook, Twitter) implementing strategies to identify and weaken the effects of "fake news".

    Then we'll see a lot of complaints from lesser-known news sites who lose their advertizing, or domain name, or twitter feed, or facebook feed, and whatnot. Maybe a popup from Google similar to "possible malware site" saying "Breitbart might be a fake news site".

    Note that during the election reddit had an algorithm that automatically suppressed the "r/The_Donald" subreddit from appearing on the front page "hot topics" list. This became notable in October when the algorithm failed to work properly for a short time, allowing r/TheDonald to take over the front page "hot topics" list.

    I've just now created a mantra we can use to help the process along: "The truth can't survive on it's own".

    We need to give truth a little boost if it's to survive online.

  17. Re:WaPo? by unixisc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oh, so people who oppose the DNC/Democrats are Communists now? It was always strange seeing Democrats being represented in blue and Republicans in red, but this takes the cake.

  18. Re:slavic trash by unixisc · · Score: 2

    Slavs are Europeans. Russians have more in common w/ Serbs, Greeks and Bulgars than they have w/ Chinese, Japanese and Koreans

  19. Democrat coalition collapsed by unixisc · · Score: 2

    The main reason that not just Hilary, but the Democrats lost heavily - both in congressional and state races - was that the group and identity politics that they played finally boomeranged on them.

    By spending the last couple of years pandering to BLM in order to lock the Black vote, they also managed to alienate working class non-Blacks (not just Whites), who are not anti police, not pro terrorist and not anarchists. By focusing heavily on AGW when the economy is tanking and manufacturing is all but dead, they did themselves no favors electorally. When you take the side of environmentalists in inserting a whole navy of regulations that cripple various industries, you are, maybe unwittingly, taking the side against union workers who're trying to pay their bills. Similarly, when you pander to Muslims, despite the fact that after Chattanooga and San Bernardino, a lot of Americans - regardless of race - are legitimately and genuinely scared of where the next terror attack will come from, you've pretty much stated whose side you are on. Things like a determination to take in not just Muslims (bad enough in its own right) but also Syrian refugees in the thousands makes it look like they are more determined to look generous to the rest of the world than whether or not it's safe for American citizens

  20. Re:WaPo? by dcooper_db9 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've long thought it interesting just how much the American right learned from Soviet propaganda techniques. I mean, the Heritage Foundations "Accuracy in Media" group was responsible for promoting the myth of "the liberal media". It was a blatant propaganda campaign that was at one time available to read on their website. And then we have Fox's "fair and balanced" news. They took that straight out of the Communist play book. The Soviet Union named their propaganda newspaper Truth.

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  21. Re: WaPo? by unixisc · · Score: 2

    Actually, in elections, since 1992, all the networks represented the Dems in blue, and the GOP in red. I have no idea what they did in 1988 or 1984, since I came to the US in 1991.

  22. Re:WaPo? by dcooper_db9 · · Score: 2

    There are thousands of radio stations, television stations, newspapers and magazines published in the US. The fact that the New York Times leans liberal does not mean all media in the US are liberal. I could claim the opposite because Fox News exists. Either claim would be absurd.

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