Reddit To Crack Down On Abuse By Punishing Hundreds of 'Toxic Users' (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: Social media website Reddit, known for its commitment to free speech, will crack down on online harassment by banning or suspending users who target others, starting with those who have directed abuse at Chief Executive Steve Huffman. Huffman said in an interview with Reuters that Reddit's content policy prohibits harassment, but that it had not been adequately enforced. "Personal message harassment is the most cut and dry," he said. "Right now we are in an interesting position where my inbox is full of them, it's easy to start with me." As well as combing through Huffman's inbox, Reddit will monitor user reports, add greater filtering capacity, and take a more proactive role in policing its platform rather than relying on community moderators. Reddit said it had identified hundreds of the "most toxic users" and will warn, ban or suspend them. It also plans to increase staff on its "trust and safety" team. On Reddit, a channel supporting the U.S. Republican party's presidential candidate Donald Trump, called r/The_Donald, featured racist and misogynistic comments, fake news and conspiracy theories about his Democratic challenger Hillary Clinton, along with more mainstream expressions of support for Trump. Many of those supporting Trump were very active, voting up the r/The_Donald conversations so that they became prominent across Reddit, which is the 7th-most-visited U.S. internet site, according to web data firm Alexa. Last week, Reddit banned Pizzagate, a community devoted to a conspiracy theory, with no evidence to back it up, that links Clinton to a pedophile ring at a Washington, D.C. pizza parlor, after it posted personal information in violation of Reddit policy. Huffman then used his administrative privileges to redirect abuse he was receiving on a thread on r/The_Donald to the community's moderators -- making it look as if it was intended for them. Huffman said it was a prank, and that many Reddit users, including some Trump supporters, told him they thought it was funny, but it inflamed the situation.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Will reddit just die already?

Re:Die

[HornWumpus]

AOL isn't even dead yet.

Zombie reddit will live on. Shambling from butthurt circle jerk to butthurt circle jerk, seeking brains, but finding none.

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[PRMan]

Slashdot isn't even dead yet... Despite their attempts with BETA.

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[AmiMoJo]

I'm sure 4chan will overtake Reddit any day now. Oh, sorry, it's 8chan now because apparently even 4chan isn't tolerant enough of abuse.

Face it, apart from a few butthurt free speech warriors most users regard being able to use Reddit without being harassed as a positive improvement.

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[Xenographic]

> most users regard being able to use Reddit without being harassed as a positive improvement.

You mean like the abuse coming from SRS? A sub that, essentially, exists for the sole purpose of harassing individual redditors? A sub with a history of doxxing people? I think people are more upset over the selective enforcement of the rules than about the rules themselves.

No harassment is a great thing. Just have a good definition of harassment and apply that to everyone. Not just the people you don't like.

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[lgw]

It's the selectivity of it that has people pissed.

If it's just the CEO banning people who annoy the CEO (in a direct, personal way), that's silly but understandable.

If, as is so often the case on social media, it's harassment if and only if the speaker is conservative, that's different. That's a common pattern these days, and not a good one. Echo chambers aren't good for anyone, nor is chasing off half your customers a good business plan (as ESPN is discovering).

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[Entrope]

Is it merely "silly" if the CEO who recently promised not to abuse his position gets special support from enforcers in a form that no ordinary user can get?

I don't use Reddit and could hardly care less about what happens to it, but this "it's easy to start with me" approach smacks of hypocrisy and a broken promise.

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[elrous0]

most users regard being able to use Reddit without being harassed as a positive improvement

Yeah, because I'm sure they'll also crack down hard on all those users slinging hate and harassment at Republicans and Donald Trump supporters.

I'm holding my breath in anticipation for all the fair, not-at-all-biased ways in which this censorship policy will be applied.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Reddit's definition of toxic is someone who disagrees with the prevailing majority. It's a breeding ground for yesmen.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Why do you think people from SRS who actively harass will avoid punishment?

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[Anonymous Coward]

History?

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[JoeMerchant]

FARK died, there is hope...

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[Xenographic]

Because it's a well-known sub that has been there for years with a long, storied history of doing things other subs can't do?

It's not like it's some obscure sub nobody knows about.

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[Tough Love]

Slashdot isn't even dead yet... Despite their attempts with BETA.

They handled it well considering the amount of gratuitous abuse they got instead of feedback. The as-built doesn't actually suck, though the early betas certainly did.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Are people pissed?
From what I can see the people who are pissed are a bunch of hypocrites who have been harassing people who states opinions they don't like and have been using botnets to make sure that only their opinion is the one that is visible.
Now they are all butthurt because someone stronger than them wants them to piss off.

They aren't warriors of free speech, they have gladly silenced people before. They just don't realize it because they think that free speech only is about being able to scream n*gger and f*aggot as much as possible.

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[KozmoStevnNaut]

Oh no, those poor opressed straight white male conservatives. Now where will they go with their sexism, racism and bass-ackwards ideals of "woman stay in kitchen, strong man work make money!"?

The entire concept of the Internet is overwhelmingly liberal/libertarian by its very nature of free information exchange and sharing-is-caring. Suck it up, buster.

Make your own Conservanet with blackjack and hookers, if you're feeling that oppressed.

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[lgw]

Now where will they go with their sexism, racism

Thank you for conceding the argument.

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[AmiMoJo]

Hate they don't care about, it's only harassment, incitement and threats. People have been banned for attacking conservatives that way.

Criticism is not harassment.

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[drinkypoo]

They handled it well considering the amount of gratuitous abuse they got instead of feedback.

Abuse (gratuitous or not) is feedback. It says "no". Astoundingly, they responded. I am still using classic, and still enjoying it. Obviously, the abuse had the desired effect.

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[rtb61]

Now would this https://www.reddit.com/r/Reddi... be considered abuse.

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[Baloo Uriza]

I haven't seen an update to Slashcode in recent history...

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[elrous0]

Well, it depends very greatly on whose definition of "harassment" they're going to use. There are plenty these days on the SJW left who define "harassment" as pretty much any public statement that disagrees with their views or challenges them in any way.

If they're just going to ban direct threats ("I'm going to kill you!"), doxxing, calls to violence ("We should go burn this guy's house down!"), etc. then I doubt most people would object.

If they're going to ban anyone who says "I think we should deport illegal immigrants" or "I support a border wall" that's a VERY different story.

It's also a very different story if they decide to get into the business of deciding what ideas and news are worthy and which aren't. One man's "conspiracy theory" or "fake news" is another man's "story that the mainstream media are ignoring, but shouldn't be." Right now, other media companies like Wikipedia are already beginning to ban "fake news" on the right, but not on the left. You can learn all about discredited pedophilia claims against Donald Trump, for example. But search Wikipedia for the equally dubious "Pizzagate" and you'll see that it's been blocked as "A conspiracy theory falsely claiming the existence of a child trafficking ring". It's that double standard that people are worried about.

It's hardly a secret that most of these media companies are located in SJW-central Silicon Valley and that their leadership skews radically left. So you would have to have your head buried pretty far into the sand to buy into the idea that they have any intention of applying their new censorship policies fairly.

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[AmiMoJo]

There are plenty these days on the SJW left who define "harassment" as pretty much any public statement that disagrees with their views or challenges them in any way.

There sure are plenty on the right like that, like that notorious SJW Donald Trump...

If they're just going to ban direct threats ("I'm going to kill you!"), doxxing, calls to violence ("We should go burn this guy's house down!"), etc. then I doubt most people would object.

If they're going to ban anyone who says "I think we should deport illegal immigrants" or "I support a border wall" that's a VERY different story.

All the evidence so far suggests that, bar the occasional mistake that is usually rectified, most people should not be upset.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Pro-tip: elrous0 is a Russian troll. You can safely ignore him.

Reddit is on the way out

[gatkinso]

It was fun for a while, and now this crap starts.

Funny thing is... it was the CEO who started it all!

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[wbr1]

If pizzagate is real, I hope the CEO is getting paid off well to make himself look like a flounder buffoon.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Anonymous Coward]

Pizzagate is so bizarre. I want to believe, because it was the Franklin Boy's Town scandal that got me into conspiracy theories in the first place. I truly believe that there are well-connected and protected pedos in high places. But, the evidence for pizzagate is so utterly flimsy. The logos angle is certainly interesting, but it's not enough on its own. And, the example emails with "coded" language are just too innocuous. The thing that makes pizzagate more off is how hard the authorities have been working to silence it. But, until we see some better evidence, even as a conspiracy theory, pizzagate is a non-story (at least beyond reddit's hypocritical, censorship self-implosion).

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Anonymous Coward]

are just too innocuous

Who the fuck rents pizza by the hour?

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Anonymous Coward]

Spez gets regular death threats, tags, general harassment from t_d users.

Spez harmlessly trolls a few t_d users that tagged him.

T_d users lose their collective shit and throw professional soccer player level of fake sissy outrage.

I've been on the internet since the mid 90s and I've never seen anything quite like like t_d and it's ilk. It's a den of manic (Literal textbook mania) mixed with a personalty cult. The tone of the posts jump from genuinely hopeful to batshit crazy to disturbingly sociopathic and nobody seems to even blink about it. What it's not, is a community of productive or rational discourse.

Worse, movements like t_d don't exist without an enemy. Hatred of HRC was the core of their being and now that it's gone the tendrils are flailing and searching for a new enemy to devour.

They already had one deep dive in to real madness with pizzagate. Reddit admins are likely looking to head off another and pissing off a bunch of nimble memers is a small cost.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[sexconker]

Considering the code words used for other things found in the email dumps, it's looking like it's absolutely real.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[AmiMoJo]

You said that last time. Ellen Pao was ruining it, Anita Sarkeesian had taken over to censor and feminise it, everyone was leaving for Voat and taking their fat shaming with them...

Yet somehow it's still going and the alternatives are floundering.

Re: Reddit is on the way out

[Anonymous Coward]

More like who rents pizza/game room joints (e.g. chuckie cheese) by the hour for children's parties. Which is lots of people.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Anonymous Coward]

Bullshit. Reddit's been attracting toxic assholes for the last few years because the spineless admins have been letting it run unchecked. /r/The_Donald claims to support "free speech" while banning anyone who even questions Fearless Leader. It's basically an umbrella for every white supremacist, islamophobe, transphobe, homophobe & misogynist on the site to post their hatespeach & propaganda in a completely uncritical environment, working under the assumption that admins can't take any action against a "political sub". For a few months over the summer, their head mod was literally a Swedish white supremacist.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[geek]

Yet somehow it's still going and the alternatives are floundering.

Voat.co is doing so well they've had to upgrade their servers like 4 times. They are now asking for another round of donations thanks to the enormouse influx of Reddit users.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Anonymous Coward]

If pizzagate is real

It's more likely that the EM drive works.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Anonymous Coward]

So your saying we should get rid of safe spaces?

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Rick Schumann]

Oh, no, Reddit is just another symptom of a larger problem: The Internet is on the way out. What with Trump appointing people to key positions who will kill Net Neutrality and the ever-growing surveillance of private citizens, the Internet is rapidly becoming somewhere you really don't want to be, unless you don't care about your entire online life being exposed to governments and corporations. That, plus how rampant hacking on a grand scale is happening more and more often, especially including your smartphone, is making the Internet less and less attractive.

Re: Reddit is on the way out

[Xenographic]

There are lots of weird uses of language that make people suspect code words are in play, not just one or two. I mean, I'd like to write this off as a "damn you autocorrect" kind of thing, but some of them are just weird. Look here, for example:

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/32795

The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus? They can send it if you want. I know you're busy, so feel free not to respond if it's not yours or you don't want it.

This came up after people were already questioning whether some uses of 'cheese pizza' referred to child pornography (CP), so... yeah.

It doesn't help that they're proud of some very weird art that looks to be posed like one of Dhamer's victims.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Xenographic]

Voat is getting so much traffic the servers keep crumbling under the load.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Anonymous Coward]

Only for people he doesn't like.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Anonymous Coward]

voat is so bad they can't even keep their servers running

Re: Reddit is on the way out

[Anonymous Coward]

Including George Soros and high level, childless political operatives?

And what, would you say, is the meaning of a "pizza related map" on a handkerchief?

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Anonymous Coward]

And that the Cubs will win the world series this year!

But thank you for meming the EM drive into working. Now the Trumpenreich can extend to the stars. And it's all thanks to butt-blasted liberals like you!

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Anonymous Coward]

gg trumpist, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Re: Reddit is on the way out

[Anonymous Coward]

Couldn't agree more... Fuckin Eternal September AOL users all over the internet these days... They've probably have never read the rules on Netiquite .... Someday I'm going to patent a method for punching people in the face over the internet..

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Xenographic]

Death threats? Can you substantiate that one? Preferably by pointing to police reports?

I don't see it mentioned here where it would've been relevant, it just says "outright threatened" and apparently some loser keyed his car, though it's not clear if that was just something random.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Anonymous Coward]

You sure are invested in this story, my good little centipede.

Consider what you're doing with your life.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Anonymous Coward]

This all assumes that the email dumps are legitimate. There is no way to determine if they are or not. Thus, there is no admissible evidence. End of story.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[KozmoStevnNaut]

R/the_donald is so utterly bizarre. I tried reading some threads before the election, and it was just weird. Completely mindless "RAH RAH DONALD DONALD" posts on top of mudslinging, threats, conspiracy theories, just all over the place. Utterly devoted "true believers" trying to see who can yell the loudest, working themselves up into a mad frenzy in every thread, just short 5-6 word comments, verging on incomprehensible spam.

It was a frankly rather frightening look into the minds of madmen.

In comparison, the Hillary subreddits I found were all a lot calmer, with longer posts (and better spelling), and a much rational dicussion of topics, no hatemongering or mudslinging.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[AmiMoJo]

Exactly. They can't even cover their running costs with VC funding or advertising. That's how well they are doing, i.e. about as well as 8chan which operates on the same model.

The fact that they can get by on donations should give you a hint about how insignificantly tiny they are compared to Reddit.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Anonymous Coward]

The fundamental problem with reddit is the same one that digg had. Letting any user (no matter how new) up/down vote any message (with no limit), combined with making the messages more/less visible, converges toward a toxic environment.The tyranny of the majority inevitably happens.

Slashdot's method (rarely a user with high participation gets 5-15 votes over a period of three days max) has worked a lot better. At the very least it's hard to create sock puppet accounts with moderation privileges. And you never know when you will get to moderate.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Anonymous Coward]

As I understand it, the e-mails all include authentication keys that could only be generated by the the same mail server.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[crtreece]

Spez harmlessly trolls a few t_d users

Spez did something that goes way beyond simple trolling. He showed that site admins can and will modify user content. Through its history, admin have claimed that they could/would not do this. Sure, any junior db or system admin knows that modifying a database entry is a basic function of that type of system, but the claim that they would not and have not done that has now been admitted to be false.

Now, the validity of every post on the site, past, present, and future, is questionable. Maybe it was a reddit admin that made the doxxing post on r/pizzagate. Maybe it was a reddit admin that created the u/stonetear posts allegedly related to the HRC email server. The list goes on and on.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Grishnakh]

Exactly. And this shows just how far gone this country is. About half the population is a bunch of uneducated conspiracy-theory-believing wackos. And the other half are better educated and are able to rationalize away their support for an utterly corrupt warmonger. There is no hope for us.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Grishnakh]

Oh please. Slashdot's method is a complete and total failure, and partially responsible for this site's massive decline. Good people don't even bother moderating, because the disincentives are too high: you don't get enough points, and also you can't post in the entire story after that without undoing your moderations. I stopped bothering to moderate ages ago because of the latter. If I'm interested enough in a discussion thread to read through it, I'm most likely going to want to put my 2 cents in somewhere, and I'm not going to give that up because of some dumb philosophical dedication to the cause of moderation.

SoylentNews does it far better, and with Slashdot's own codebase mostly. All they did was tweak it a little: good-karma users get to moderate far more often, and you're only prevented from posting in a *thread* that you moderated in, not the entire discussion. Stupid Slashdot, on the other hand, wastes time and resources mucking around with the UI, but steadfastly refuses to fix its broken old moderation system.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[geek]

They haven't asked for VC funding. You're argument makes no fucking sense.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[KozmoStevnNaut]

Well, you can only really infer anything about the part of the population who voted, which was less than half.

And that's a huge problem.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Anonymous Coward]

If you follow some of the conspiracies pizza gate is about cannibalism. If its really about cannibalism mr huffmann has a history with a certain subredddit.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Grishnakh]

I'm pretty sure it was a little over half of the voting-eligible population who voted this time around. Children and non-citizens don't count; non-citizens could leave at any time and aren't really an integral part of our society, and children are going to grow up to be just like the rest of the voting population before long.

Regardless, if about half of our population is that mentally challenged, that's a very bad sign for our society.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[mea_culpa]

You should read up on DKIM.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[KozmoStevnNaut]

Oh yeah, just over half, then.

I don't think they're mentally challenged, they just don't give a shit.

Re:Reddit is on the way out

[Coren22]

The fact that they can get by on donations should give you a hint about how insignificantly tiny they are compared to Reddit.

Like Wikipedia? Yeah, they are insignificantly tiny because they survive on donations.

Re: Reddit is on the way out

[Xenographic]

Correction, a statement about the art was later discovered. It apparently wasn't modeled after his victims directly, but it was supposed to be a tormented person. It does bear similarities to the poses of his victims, though the artist said it was modeled after people suffering hysteria. Take from that what you will.

Wait ...

[Anonymous Coward]

The guy that used his admin rights to change user posts without notice is concerned about "toxic users" and "fake news"? What an asshole.

Re:Wait ...

[jtara]

Well, he's really just following Trump's lead. Open mouth, insert foot. Then celebrate your accomplishment!

Re: Wait ...

[Anonymous Coward]

shitposting about a guy 10000x more successful than you will ever be, so edgy right now

Re: Wait ...

[Anonymous Coward]

Being a CEO of Reddit isnt exactly what I would call successful in any way, shape or form

Is /u/spez On That List?

[Anonymous Coward]

We have identified hundreds of the most toxic users and are taking action against them, ranging from warnings to timeouts to permanent bans.

Unless /u/spez is on that list of toxic users, the list is meaningless.

Please stop mentioning pizzagate.

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm on a diet.

We can only pray

[Anonymous Coward]

They crack down on BeauHD

No Evidence?

[Anonymous Coward]

"...Reddit banned Pizzagate, a community devoted to a conspiracy theory, with no evidence to back it up, that links Clinton to a pedophile ring at a Washington, D.C. pizza parlor..."

That entire thing was FILLED with evidence... this is nothing but thought police tactics; if you don't tow the line, then you get banned.

Re:No Evidence?

[Anonymous Coward]

"...Reddit banned Pizzagate, a community devoted to a conspiracy theory, with no evidence to back it up, that links Clinton to a pedophile ring at a Washington, D.C. pizza parlor..."

The only reason they care about a pedoring are to find ties to Hillary? That pretty much sums up the problem with the Right.

Re: No Evidence?

[Anonymous Coward]

In other news, the moon landings were faked, contrails contain mind control chemicals and the earth is flat. PS it's "toe the line."

Re:No Evidence?

[Anonymous Coward]

The entire thing was FILLED with RWNJ lies presented as evidence, because lying is what they do.
FTFY

Re:No Evidence?

[by (1706743)]

That entire thing was FILLED with evidence...

Not according to the New York Times.

Re:No Evidence?

[danbuter]

The NYT isn't exactly a beacon of truth. But I agree that pizzagate was a bit of a stretch.

Re:No Evidence?

[sexconker]

if you don't tow the line

Toe the line.

Re:No Evidence?

[Z80a]

Well, it is also filled to the brim with lunatics filling it with conspiracy theories.
But that won't work that well to stop it.

Re:No Evidence?

[sexconker]

That article simply says it's all fake and that people are being harassed. It doesn't address any of the alleged links or any of the evidence presented by the people who dug through the emails and found the connection.

The article also spends a lot of time whining about fake news and a lack of fact checking without even a hint that it's aware of the hypocrisy its engaged in.

NYT is a joke.

Re:No Evidence?

[Anonymous Coward]

The only reason they care about a pedoring are to find ties to Hillary? That pretty much sums up the problem with the Right.

Dump them a whole stack of RNC emails and they'll go through it and sort out the pizza fanatics.

Re:No Evidence?

[Xenographic]

Actually, there are very few links to Hillary and you're taking that out of a quote the GP post is disagreeing with.

Wikipedia won't cover this one, it's on Infogalactic: https://infogalactic.com/info/Pizzagate

Re: No Evidence?

[Anonymous Coward]

Yet nobody tries to ban those theories or writes NYtimes/Wapo articles about them.

Re:No Evidence?

[elrous0]

Oddly enough, Wikipedia doesn't seem to have any problem posting info on equally discredible pedophilia claim against Donald Trump. But I guess in SJW-dominated Silicon Valley, it only counts as a "conspiracy theory," "fake news," and "harassment" if it's coming from the right. The left is free to spread whatever bullshit they want.

Re:No Evidence?

[Xenographic]

Google is also hiding it. You find the other "pizzagate" an obscure story I had never heard of.

Wikipedia (last I checked--it could've been edited by now!) had a disambiguation page referencing that other event and an oblique mention of a "discredited" theory.

Re: No Evidence?

[Anonymous Coward]

Nope, not going to argue with a crazy. Tinfoil hat season has officially begun.

Re:No Evidence?

[CrashNBrn]

The entire claim of links to Clinton are that:
"The Podesta emails contain multiple references to Comet Ping Pong. [18]"

Subject: Re: Comet Ping Pong and OBAMA...and Podesta?.
2008-09-29 13:28 2016-10-19 jamesacorp@gmail.com john.podesta@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Comet Ping Pong and OBAMA...and Podesta?.
2008-09-29 10:50 2016-10-19 john.podesta@gmail.com jamesacorp@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Comet Ping Pong and OBAMA...and Podesta?.
2008-09-28 03:12 2016-10-19 jamesacorp@gmail.com john.podesta@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Comet Ping Pong and OBAMA...and Podesta?.
2008-09-28 02:22 2016-10-19 john.podesta@gmail.com jamesacorp@gmail.com
Subject: Cooking w/ Fratelli Podesta Briefing
2015-10-05 23:14 2016-10-19 mfisher@hillaryclinton.com john.podesta@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Comet Ping Pong and OBAMA...and Podesta?.
2008-09-29 02:29 2016-10-19 jamesacorp@gmail.com john.podesta@gmail.com
Subject: Comet Ping Pong and OBAMA...and Podesta?.
2008-09-27 21:42 2016-10-19 jamesacorp@gmail.com John.Podesta@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Comet Ping Pong and OBAMA...and Podesta?.
2008-09-28 02:48 2016-10-17 JPalmieri@americanprogress.org john.podesta@gmail.com
Subject: Fwd: INVITE: Hillary for America / October 6
2015-10-06 21:56 2016-10-17 podesta@podesta.com john.podesta@gmail.com

Except... all those emails contain discussion about a Political Fundraiser Gathering. There's little but tenuous claims linking Podesta to anything improper. If you actually look at all the supposed evidence, yeah it comes off like little more than a nutters vendetta.

Whether an official investigation would uncover anything is unknown... it still wouldn't LINK to Hillary.

Re: No Evidence?

[bestweasel]

Moon landing deniers have occasionally had their free speech abruptly curtailed in real life.

Re:No Evidence?

[Xenographic]

The focus in this is on the Podestas and maybe the Clinton Foundation. You won't find many people claiming it's Hillary's fault, so you're rebutting a claim nobody is making.

Re:No Evidence?

[drinkypoo]

Google is also hiding it. You find the other "pizzagate" an obscure story I had never heard of.

The only and I mean only reason I am aware of this non-story about something that is not happening somewhere on the internets is because it has been linked here on Slashdot. Nobody else is dumb enough to go for it.

Re:No Evidence?

[Raenex]

The only reason they care about a pedoring are to find ties to Hillary?

No, that's a lie. That may have started the dig during the campaign, but most of the people looking now are just after potential pedos, regardless of political affiliation.

Re:No Evidence?

[Xenographic]

So it hasn't appeared in the NYT?

You can't find it discussed on Scott Adam's blog?

There aren't multiple stories about shutting it down?

Oh... right.

Re:No Evidence?

[drinkypoo]

So it hasn't appeared in the NYT?

What? You still read the NYT after all their paywall shenanigans? roflwaffles.

You can't find it discussed on Scott Adam's blog?

Oh no, I learned a long time ago not to read Scott Adam's blog, nor Scott Adams' blog.

There aren't multiple stories about shutting it down?

Go back and read my comment again, son, before you reply to it. You clearly didn't understand it.

Re:No Evidence?

[Xenographic]

Well no, I don't trust the NYT these days, but I still kind of expect it to show up in Google searches relatively more prominently than some truly obscure matters.

Especially when one sees this change. It's been quite effectively slid.

Finally, here's some fact-checking of said NYT article: http://www.renegadetribune.com/new-york-times-fact-checks-pizzagate/

Re:No Evidence?

[Xenographic]

Another good rebuttal to the NYT article: http://archive.is/X6KxW

Toxic

[Anonymous Coward]

Might as well call it thoughtcrime.
Why can't people just filter what they don't like? The oversensitive idiots can wallow in their safe haven of stupidity.

Re:Toxic

[MightyMartian]

Or the fucking pricks can form their own sites. Of course fucking pricks don't have nearly as much fun harassing each other as they do harassing people who don't want to be harassed.

Re: Toxic

[Anonymous Coward]

FU troll

Re: Toxic

[Anonymous Coward]

Taking that as a basis, should companies be allowed to lie about their competitors? "Don't buy from them they murder babies and their cereal contains strychnine?" If not, why not?

Re:Toxic

[Anonymous Coward]

They already have "voat.co", the no censorship clone of reddit.

It's a complete cesspool.

Re:Toxic

[Anonymous Coward]

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Re:Toxic

[MightyMartian]

Yawn

Re:Toxic

[ArchieBunker]

Well reddit is a free site it can do whatever it wants. You are free to use it or not.

This isn't new...

[Anonymous Coward]

This isn't new. Pizzagate was targeting people in real life, and Reddit has never tolerated personal info based activities like this. Even 4chan banned IRL raids.

Re:This isn't new...

[Anonymous Coward]

... Reddit has never tolerated personal info based activities like this.

Really? They were awfully tolerant of the Boston Bombing Witch Hunt until it accused the wrong people.

Re:This isn't new...

[Anonymous Coward]

They weren't really tolerant, it just happened too fast for them to respond. It always takes them awhile to figure out what's going on.

It's a theme

[s.petry]

Nothing new here, time for a new service to take over and replace them. Not that I will miss them or was ever into Reddit, but I know others were.

Re:It's a theme

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm not after a reply you retarded Nazi cunt, calling you scum would be an insult to scum.

Re:It's a theme

[Anonymous Coward]

This is what happens when the host of a website abdicates responsibility for moderation of content to its users. The system gets gamed by special interest groups and political interests. Slashdot is a classic example of it, it only survives because it is not mainstream, though it has been on a steady decline because of this.

The website that will succeed (in both sensed of the word) will be one that has the balls to take responsibility for their content and not leave it to users to moderate it. It will remove content that is illegal in the country where it is hosted and leave everything else in place. No hiding content based on gamed user moderation systems - everyone will get their fair say. No shadowbanning, completely clear and up front rules that are consistently enforced.

User moderation systems are a failed experiment. I am thankful that their time is coming to an end. It is about time we had places where we can have free and open online discussion.

Re:It's a theme

[s.petry]

The theme I'm referring to has nothing to do with special interests using the site, but rather a specific mindset taking control of a site. Reddit became popular because it was a free speech zone, but I'd never claim it was "main stream" any more than Slashdot is/was. Free speech is a dangerous thing to people in power. Facebook gets tons of free advertising from broadcast media because they do not support free speech. Timelines is the only thing you need to see to understand that they are more worried about propaganda than free speech.

I don't know reddit and don't know if there is pressure for them to stifle speech or if the management was really against it from the start, but felt it was tolerable venting as long as it stayed away from main stream.

Re:It's a theme

[gatkinso]

Cunty cunty cunty cuntcuntcunt

Re:It's a theme

[Anonymous Coward]

There are staff moderated sites that are just as guilty and the crap started years before /. started becoming "News for Political Zealots, stuff that's useless".

Re:It's a theme

[Luthair]

It didn't become popular because of free speech, it became popular as a centralized provider of free forums that any idiot could find, use and create.

Re:It's a theme

[s.petry]

Which is Free Speech

Re: It's a theme

[Anonymous Coward]

I see the influx of reddit refugees has already begun.

You can tell them by the colour of their skin, all pasty white, and the frenzied worshipping of their strange orange god, which may continue until they literally start shaking and frothing at the mouth and thereafter abandon all reason.

Re: It's a theme

[Anonymous Coward]

They are the same refugees from digg that ruined the site.

Re:It's a theme

[Anonymous Coward]

Voat? Move back to Digg?

Re:It's a theme

[Anonymous Coward]

Not when site camping users hide all content they don't like and (shadow)ban the users that post it.

Re:It's a theme

[Anonymous Coward]

Reddit never was a free speech zone. It has always been gamed by users camping on the site who squelch content that they dislike. Not free. This flaw is built into user moderated sites by design, and is part of why they became so popular. Like slashdot..What site management does is irrelevant by comparison. I would venture on such sites that management often poses as users for the greater power that affords them.

How to manipulate public perception of contentious issues - user moderation is very effective. Propaganda has evolved.

Re: It's a theme

[Anonymous Coward]

Hey migrant, where the fuck is your cave. Go back to afganistan, you fucking negrilo

Re:It's a theme

[Grishnakh]

You guys are all missing an important feature of Reddit: the subreddits. Yes, each subreddit has (unpaid) moderators who can squelch any speech they dislike, but unlike Slashdot, on Reddit if you don't like it you can simply create your own subreddit and moderate it however you like, or go to some other subreddit that has moderation you like better. There's hundreds of thousands of subreddits, so you're bound to find one you like; they're not all lumped together. *That* is why Reddit became so popular. If you don't like the moderators on /r/politics, you can go to /r/pol instead (or vice versa). If you don't like the moderators on /r/HillaryClinton, you can go to /r/Democrats or whatever instead. And so on. There's endless alternatives, without having to leave the site. That just doesn't exist on other forums like Slashdot, Hacker News, etc. Even if you get banned on a subreddit, that doesn't affect your dealings on other subreddits. And it's trivially easy to create a new account and switch to it anyway (I have a handful myself that I switch between), so it's easy to get around a ban, unlike sites that require a unique email address per account.

The Nazis are coming!

[Anonymous Coward]

And people thought that the Nazis wound rise on the right. How wrong they were...

Reddit is a Cesspool

[Anonymous Coward]

Reddit does a good job of bringing attention to some stories, pictures, and videos. It might be a useful site if they severely limited the comments or wholly reinvented their moderation system. It's really hard to take back what has already been given away, though, which probably indicates a slow decline until the next Digg/Reddit replaces it.

Re:Reddit is a Cesspool

[danbuter]

There are tons of great subreddits. Most of the crap is found on any political sub.

topkek

[Anonymous Coward]

>plebbit

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[account_deleted]

Comment removed based on user account deletion

Three strikes prank ...

[CaptainDork]

... I was a member of a local forum (and I'm all for 'em) and I discovered, by accident, that it was "user-moderated."

If a comment was reported more than three times, the board automatically removed it.

They relied on cookies to determine that I had already reported it so I searched for that cookie.

I'd report a post and then delete that particular cookie and then report it again, about seven times.

The only administrator, a local TV personality (and nice guy) had to field questions about censorship and I'd salvo-report his comments.

Six months after the forum was replaced by Facebook, I called him and told him what I did.

He laughed about it.

But we both agreed I was a shithead.

Pot meet kettle

[Anonymous Coward]

Looks like you just got in line there.

This happened again and again and again...

[Z80a]

And they're getting exceedingly efficient at it.
The oversensitive people with too much moderation power that turns any place into a boring pit of an echo chamber, where basically all that is left is the same three allowed subjects and "suicide trolls".
They have several shapes, several different political stances and positions etc, but the end result is always the same.

Re:This happened again and again and again...

[Z80a]

To give an odd anectodal example, "the current most popular brazilian chan".
It generally starts with the basic rules: No illegal content, no spam, no underages.
But then, as gets hard to moderate due well being a brazilian chan, they start to get moderators from the user pool, and as a result, they end getting quite a bit of oversensitive people along.
And then it truly starts, with those people wanting a "pure chan", and banning taboo things like self identifying as a woman, left wing politics, memes they consider forced..
And then it gets out of hand when the grammar nazis get in, and start banning people for bad grammar and typos and moderators ban people for disagreeing with em, and this is generally when either the place is overrun with trolls using VPNs due how easy is to "trigger" the users, or when the place gets so boring the owner simply pulls the plug.
This chan had several names, several owners, but always dies the same way.
Of course, a place like reddit is more resistant to that kind of crap due having professionals in and being a corporation etc.., but i still can see that happening.

All the fun users

[AHuxley]

will walk to other sites that will welcome them.
Who wants be stay behind on the safe space sites? No fun, no jokes, nothing new, just boring SJW mod approved topics?
Freedom of speech and freedom after speech sells globally and is the fun that attracts users. The freedom to read a comment day, weeks, years later is also a great selling point.
What the SJW do on some sites will be great free branding for all sites that support freedom of speech.

Re:All the fun users

[frank_adrian314159]

Sounds like that's fine with Reddit. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

Re:All the fun users

[firewrought]

Funny... /r/The_Donald was the most stringently run safe space I've ever seen, and it certainly wasn't being run by SJW's.

Re:All the fun users

[ADRA]

They're welcome to go. So are you! The truth is that the vast silent majority still hate trolls far more than they hate speech. As usual a knee-jerk'd reaction from a person who's mental picture of censorship can only be two bars: 0 (regulated kindergarden) and 99 (free and open of all -- except those pond scum fucking spammers) nay? If you wanted to actually convince people of this somehow horrible policy change, try finding real examples of censored people/material that people will really really want to save.

Re:All the fun users

[ADRA]

.. hate *restricted speech.

Re:All the fun users

[Anonymous Coward]

The fact that people believe this is the real nightmare.

Re:All the fun users

[onepoint]

While I am not sure what they will do, I am going to guess that the 80/20 rule in some form will be applied. IE: those that really were on the extreme of the review will get removed. maybe reddit won't look the same, but it might become something different and just as interesting.

Re:All the fun users

[Qzukk]

You dare challenge The Donald's narrative? You're ~~fired~~ banned!

believe this

Believe what? That /r/The_Donald is a "safe space" where Trump supporters can circlejerk/play with crayons and ball pits without being exposed to anyone that might hurt their feelings? You bet it is.

Re:All the fun users

[iMadeGhostzilla]

That still kills the mood for participating. If you have to fret that your account can be removed even if you posted in good faith because someone overzealous may consider it out of bounds, you may decide it's not worth wasting time. And then all that's left is whack-a-moled trolls and timid or self-censoring posters. Hardly a recipe for something interesting.

Re:All the fun users

[iggymanz]

I have a sneaking suspicion the paying reddit customers may usually turn out to be the non-SWJ types, and the SJWs the ones more likely to be without income.

Re:All the fun users

[Ksevio]

Dunno if you've seen the donald - the sub in question is pretty much a safe space for bigots - anything not pro-trump is immediately banned

Re:All the fun users

[Anonymous Coward]

Rule #6

No Dissenters/SJWs, this is a pro-Trump subreddit

That's pretty much the definition of a safe space, no dissenters.

Re:All the fun users

[KozmoStevnNaut]

You have weird definition of "safe space".

A safe space is one where you can express yourself without being judged for who you are. That is, a prejudice/racism/sexism/ageism/etc.-free place to discuss ideas openly, that would otherwise put you at risk of ridicule, hatred and attacks. It is not a dissent-free zone, in fact thoughtful and honest criticism is encouraged.

But I guess that's just a little bit too complicated when you're used to one-line "zingers".

Re:All the fun users

[Ash-Fox]

A safe space is one where you can express yourself without being judged for who you are. That is, a prejudice/racism/sexism/ageism/etc.-free place to discuss ideas openly, that would otherwise put you at risk of ridicule, hatred and attacks. It is not a dissent-free zone, in fact thoughtful and honest criticism is encouraged.

He's talking about the "safe spaces" in colleges and universities, which is something entirely different.

Re:All the fun users

[KozmoStevnNaut]

Ah yes, the "safe spaces" that conservatives and alt-righters have made up their own definitions for.

Try actually asking a university how they define safe spaces, sometime.

Re:All the fun users

[Ash-Fox]

Ah yes, the "safe spaces" that conservatives and alt-righters have made up their own definitions for.

I don't think they made up any real definitions honestly. People are just calling it what they see, including some colleges and universities

Try actually asking a university how they define safe spaces, sometime.

Well, if you want examples, the University of Chicago, supposedly one of America's most prestigious and selective universities sent letters welcoming students saying:

Our commitment to academic freedom means that we do not support so called 'trigger warnings,' we do not cancel invited speakers because their topics might prove controversial, and we do not condone the creation of intellectual 'safe spaces' where individuals can retreat from ideas and perspectives at odds with their own.

Emphasis, my own.

I just don't see the issue with calling out what it is instead of allowing people to confuse what those places are.

Re:All the fun users

[KozmoStevnNaut]

That's simply a matter of bad phrasing, they have to phrase it in a diplomatic way.

If you actually bothered to find out how it works, it's to provide at place where people won't be shouted down for having unpopular opinions, and won't be shouted down by the people who tend to dominate public debate. It's a huge help for people who are a bit shy or maybe not fully comfortable with who they are in relation to the rest of the world.

How anyone could possibly spin this as a negative thing, is a mystery for the ages.

Alt-righters in particular hate safe spaces, because they're prohibited from invading them with loudmouthed aggressive rhetoric.

Re:All the fun users

[Ash-Fox]

I should probably pre-fix this to say I am not in the alt-right, but I sympathize with the difficulty they have in trying to have intellectual discourse.

That's simply a matter of bad phrasing, they have to phrase it in a diplomatic way.

Honestly, this is how language evolves. Gimp used to mean beautiful person, but it was used ironically in a mean way to people that are defined as "gimps" now. Gay was used to describe lighthearted and happy people, but it became used to describe the stereotypical flaming homosexual, leading to 'gay' meaning 'homosexual' today. If you don't want that word to mean what it means to many people today, you should stop those physical places from being called "safe spaces" to begin with, because a debate online about word definitions isn't going to go far.

If you actually bothered to find out how it works

I know how it works, but I also know the reality behind the implementation used in many colleges and universities.

Your logic follows what misandrists do, who label themselves as feminists (supposedly to help justify actions and prevent intellectual discourse), declare everything they do is for feminism (while doing things that violate the officially touted lines of feminist ideals), when people call them out on it and define feminism as what they are doing, they then cry and say that's not what feminism is and therefore any point you have made is invalid.

How anyone could possibly spin this as a negative thing, is a mystery for the ages.

Because this is an element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another through experiences and these are wide-spread, it's doesn't seem unlikely these added meanings of these words would end up in official dictionary definitions in the next decade unless they stop abusing these words.

As for me personally, I have no problem with the idea that words will change meaning because people are trying to ride on their positivity to push negaitve realities; it's one of the few ways society can self-correct against people abusing them to obtain almost blind support for it, such as what you're suggesting almost when you say "How anyone could possibly spin this as a negative thing".

Alt-righters in particular hate safe spaces, because they're prohibited from invading them with loudmouthed aggressive rhetoric.

This point is actually an interesting discussion point. I genuinely haven't seen any videos of alt-righters invading discussions. The most interesting thing to me is when seeking videos from people who represent different ideologies, alt-right people like Milo Yiannopoulos and Ben Shapiro when they go on campuses seem to the ones recieving loudmouthed aggressive chants, shouted down by people whom try to prevent any type of discourse. Meanwhile, people like Zoe Quinn and Emma Sulkowicz attend university campuses to speak about issues that the alt-right supposedly are opposed to vemently do not recieve interuptions while speaking, no crazy chanting in the audience, no human walls blocking entrance into the area, no false fire alarms being pulled etc. If this were as common of an issue you described, it wouldn't be the alt-right suffering it, right?

An other interesting point to raise here is that, even when being prohibited to do so, they still do it on campuses. The alt-right as you describe them, are equally prohibited in doing such things and don't do it on campuses.

I think the particular reason why as you so aptly put "alt-righters in particular hate safe spaces" is because it's disgenious and doesn't work the way you describe, it's intended to prevent any sort of discourse with the otherside to begin with and in turn from what I think is the alt-right's point of view, it infantiles a those people while indoctrinating them in a particular mindset.

Re:All the fun users

[Anonymous Coward]

So are you! The truth is that the vast silent majority still hate trolls far more than they hate speech.

We aren't talking about traditional trolls that troll for the sake of creating discussions here.
We are talking of the kind of trolls that drowns out all discussion in favor of their message.
There are multiple ways to censor and one that is popular these days is to simply spam out any opinion you don't agree with.
The users the article are talking about have started to use bots to abuse reddits voting system to make sure that others messages are pushed down and their messages are pushed up.
This means you don't have free speech if you leave them alone and you don't have free speech if you ban them.

Re:All the fun users

[Anonymous Coward]

So in effect, a safe space is a place where you can only spout left wing ideology?

Re:All the fun users

[Grishnakh]

Exactly. /r/HillaryClinton is exactly the same way. As a Bernie supporter, I went on there one day, posted something very mildly critical of Hillary, and BOOM! I was banned immediately, within minutes IIRC.

You have to really be devoid of critical thinking skills to support either one of these horrible people, so it only makes sense that forums devoted to them would be completely intolerant of dissenting opinions.

Re:All the fun users

[Anonymous Coward]

Slashdot is not a safe space because they will not remove/ban people who challenge those spouting left wing ideology.

The_Donald is a safe space because they will remove/ban people who challenge their right wing ideology.

The ideology isn't the important part, it's the euphemism of being "free from judgement".

Re:All the fun users

[Anonymous Coward]

Worrying about being banned for normal behaviour is a bit premature. Apply the reasonable person test and nothing of value will be lost.

great

[Anonymous Coward]

reddit will become one giant safe space.

we still have /.

SRS

[Xenographic]

> will crack down on online harassment by banning or suspending users who target others,

I wonder if this rule will be applied to the SRS sub, which more or less exists for that very purpose? I'm guessing "no" but it's not a surprise after reading the leaked admin chat log and seeing what happened to the person who made that public.

I'm also guessing they won't explain why the anti-pedo sub /r/pizzagate got moved to /v/pizzagate, but why they're happy to keep subs like /r/pedochat /r/pedofriends, etc. Just look at this image just shows a picture of Reddit's description of /r/Pedochat which is a private NSFW sub for "pedos and friends of pedos" for an example.

Surely /r/Spez knows about this--when he edited all those posts, most of them were swearing at him for that very reason. And he has notifications turned off since forever (refer to the aforementioned admin log), so this would appear to be what got under his skin.

Re: SRS

[Anonymous Coward]

/r/pizzagate is anti-pedo the way Bigfoot hunters are anti-simian.

Re:SRS

[Xenographic]

Sorry, that should be /u/Spez.

Though I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he had his own subreddit, honestly.

Re:SRS

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm also guessing they won't explain why the anti-pedo sub /r/pizzagate got moved to /v/pizzagate [voat.co], but why they're happy to keep subs like /r/pedochat /r/pedofriends, etc.

/u/spez

Need I say more (again)?

Re: SRS

[Anonymous Coward]

Heard it here first, folks! Anonymous Coward proclaims that there is no such thing as a pedophile!

Enjoy playing outside unattended once again, children of overprotective parents!

Re:SRS

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm also guessing they won't explain why the anti-pedo sub /r/pizzagate got moved to /v/pizzagate, but why they're happy to keep subs like /r/pedochat /r/pedofriends, etc. Just look at this image just shows a picture of Reddit's description of /r/Pedochat which is a private NSFW sub for "pedos and friends of pedos" for an example.

I don't know, but considering the subject, I would guess pizzagate harassed people and pedochat did not. Which is by the way the explanation given by Reddit for closing down pizzagate. People send death threats to the pizzeria in question and pizzagate was involved or at least condoning it.

In short: Both are Subreddits by people I would not like to associate with, but only one did something ban worthy under the topic discussed here.

Re:SRS

[AmiMoJo]

I'm also guessing they won't explain why the anti-pedo sub /r/pizzagate got moved to /v/pizzagate, but why they're happy to keep subs like /r/pedochat /r/pedofriends, etc.

Which is completely fair and consistent with their rules. The only problem is that YOU don't understand the rules.

The rules say no harassment. /r/pizzagate was used to harass the completely innocent owner of a pizza restaurant. In case it isn't obvious, the way to deal with this situation is to take evidence to the police or journalists for wider publication, not launch a vigilante harassment campaign.

The other groups don't appear to be running harassment campaigns, so they stay. If you support free speech then you must support people being able to discuss controversial issues like paedophilia.

So maybe now you can see that Reddit does in fact go a very long way towards supporting freedom of speech, to the point of allowing paedophilia to be discussed on its site, but does not tolerate harassment and other illegal activity.

Re:SRS

[Anonymous Coward]

I wonder if this rule will be applied to the SRS sub, which more or less exists for that very purpose?

Even here on enlightened /., people regurgitate shit like this. SRS is a place for people to go and vent when "LOL THERE'S ONLY TWO GENDERS" or "HAHAHA RAPING KIDS IS FUNNY" gets hundreds upvotes. It's no downvote brigade or harassment group, posting there actually makes you the target of harassment from white supremacists who don't take kindly to race traitors. Sure, people might jokingly say "kill all white men" but 80% of the users are white men - it's a parody of how the typical Redditor views feminism. It's to point and laugh at how ignorant people are, not to harass them.

As the rules say Pretend the rest of Reddit is a museum of poop. Don't touch the poop.

Re:SRS

[Xenographic]

The sub was very much against people doing that kind of thing and told people not to.

I understand rules by how they're applied, not by how they're written.

Re:SRS

[Xenographic]

That'd be great and all if not for the history of doxxing.

Re:SRS

[sciengin]

And yet, as OP said, /srs/ is still being allowed to continue, despite the organized harassment, doxxing, deaththreats and, worst of all, organized mass-downvoting of anything posted by users deemed "problematic".

Their selective blindness towards harassment completely removes any credibility to their claims that it was because of harassement that pizzagate was banned.

This is not new and was what fueld the flames of Gamergate back in the day where despite any lack of proof people still pretended that they were opposed to it because of "harassment" when only 0.05% of all tweets about it could even remotely be considered agressive (a data scientist apparently did a widescale analysis on it, completely unsurprising he and his website were harassed by the rabid SJW until he went offline)

Until reddit makes up its mind to either get rid of all harassment, regardless of where on the political spectrum it is coming from, or to allow all harassment, they will stay the hypocritical SJW-central that they are now, taken seriously by fewer and fewer people until they too go the way of the dodo.

A symbolic gesture

[squiggleslash]

Reddit has one of the most open membership processes there is, with no email address or similar required. Throwaway accounts are extremely common. The posting history of an account doesn't reflect the visibility of its comments - while there's "karma", it doesn't work the same way as with Slashdot where postings from high karma users are given more visibility.

So banning users, however toxic, is going to be relatively pointless. At best, it means someone can't prove they're the same person as, say, the originator of a thread. But in all reality, if all you're known for is shitposting, will anyone want to?

Abloobloobloo The Donald!

[Anonymous Coward]

Meanwhile, /r/politics was literally flooded with paid Clinton minions, furiously pushing down voting anything not favorable to Clinton within the sub, as well as targeted downvoting elsewhere on Reddit.

Nothing was done, because Reddit is run by whores.

Re:Abloobloobloo The Donald!

[Anonymous Coward]

People forget that when the donald was first started there were constant moderation wars with bernouts and hilldogs down-voting stories there in order to keep them from the front page.
Even moderators engaged in that bullshit.
So obviously that is going to foster a hostile relationship with the rest of the site.

Re:Abloobloobloo The Donald!

[Anonymous Coward]

And they banned /r/guns from using the reddit alien in the sidebar. Now that's what I call a micro-aggression.

Re: Abloobloobloo The Donald!

[Anonymous Coward]

The good ole boys were using it for target practice. It was full of holes.

Re:Abloobloobloo The Donald!

[crtreece]

I thought they just banned images of the previously admin approved AR-15 with the reddit logo on them?

shadow ban

[Anonymous Coward]

because ban or suspend -> they make new account right away

Spez bans /r/pizzagate

[Anonymous Coward]

But allows /r/pedofriends and /r/pedochat.

MSM silent

Re: gays

[Anonymous Coward]

So what you're saying is that you're bitter, closeted and ugly?

Trust & Safety

[sexconker]

Any service, network, app, platform, etc. with a "Trust and Safety Council" is useless.

How can they know?

[blind biker]

How can it be determined that any given Reddit user was "toxic", when the CEO or other Reddit employees can edit the users' posts?

Basically, Reddit is so fucked...

Re:How can they know?

[burningcpu]

As an outsider to Reddit, it seems odd that it wasn't previously recognized that hosted content could be altered by the hosts. It's surprising and concerning that the CEO flubbed about like he did but the response seems...disproportionate.

And with people like Xenographic talking about "investigations" and using other grand terms to describe what sounds like a bunch of twerds scoping for victims, it sounds like Reddit may be making a move in the right direction.

Re:How can they know?

[Anonymous Coward]

How can it be determined that any given Reddit user was "toxic", when the CEO or other Reddit employees can edit the users' posts?

Basically, Reddit is so fucked...

I wonder if people really think this is limited to Reddit.
Don't they realize that any forum, comment section or social network can be edited by those who run it?

Re:How can they know?

[blind biker]

How can it be determined that any given Reddit user was "toxic", when the CEO or other Reddit employees can edit the users' posts?

Basically, Reddit is so fucked...

I wonder if people really think this is limited to Reddit.
Don't they realize that any forum, comment section or social network can be edited by those who run it?

All of them allow for editing, but there is a strong implicit social contract that the content of a post cannot be edited except by the poster. It is somewhat accepted that they can be completely removed or hidden. but not "put words in their mouths", so to say.

The Streisand Effect has been triggered

[Xenographic]

Well, I still haven't seen any smoking guns just yet, only a lot of strange things that point in a bad direction or to bad taste in art & friends. I don't know too many Democrats these days eager to retain friendships with Republicans, let alone those who are also convicted child molesters, but it's not exactly illegal either. There's nothing illegal about saying that "traffic is really warm and really weird in light of Hastert" but people who have seen enough strange uses of language regarding what they suspect are codewords could read that in a weird way.

But by banning pizzagate, they've only made it better known. They didn't even manage to shut it down, it /r/pizzagate lives on Voat now as /v/pizzagate. Twitter users outraged that they did nothing about pedo pics someone allegedly pointed out on twitter gab.ai. Wikipedia censors all but a pitiful mention of it, so it's documented on Infogalactic.

There are still the usual problems with idiots who fake something to troll the community, though, but they're working on moderating that out. For example, I know at least one of the claims of steganography in the images appeared to be fake. There certainly wasn't any ZIP file marker in the image I found on Wikileaks, though it wasn't clear if you were supposed to use some steganography program first.

Re:The Streisand Effect has been triggered

[Xenographic]

Also, I should mention that it's amusing to see how many downvotes I'm attracting.

There sure are a lot of uncomfortable people eager to bury this. Google, Twitter, Reddit, ...

Re:The Streisand Effect has been triggered

[pla]

Well, I still haven't seen any smoking guns just yet

Really???

So if CowboyNeil came out and admitted to editing your posts because he disagrees with your politics, would you have a problem with that?

This isn't speculation, Spez admitted to depriving Reddit of its default protections under 47 U.S.C. 230. Spez didn't just commit a minor faux pas, he opened Reddit-the-company to serious legal liability as a result of his thin skin.

He then got caught in a leaked chat transcript conspiring with a handful of top default mods to find a way to ban T_D (y'know, the only sub openly supporting the goddamned president-elect of the United States of Fucking America without pissing off the userbase too much.

And you want a smoking gun? Hey, does this video footage of the gun firing repeatedly count?

/ Jesus, when will Slashdot allow HTML entities, never mind actual *gasp* Unicode!

Re:The Streisand Effect has been triggered

[Raenex]

Well, I still haven't seen any smoking guns just yet

Really???

He's talking about PizzaGate.

Re:The Streisand Effect has been triggered

[AmiMoJo]

You should really look into these conspiracy theories before repeating them. Pizzagate was banned for harassing the staff of the restaurant because fake news websites claimed it was the centre of a paedophile ring. In particular, the name "Comet Ping Pong" was taken to refer to "ping pong" as code for child rape, even though the fucking Wikipedia article has photos of the ping pong tables set up for patrons as a gimmick.

It was mostly an attempt to smear Clinton when it looked like she might win, and now is just slowly fizzling out because the people manufacturing most of the fake news no longer care.

Re:The Streisand Effect has been triggered

[Anonymous Coward]

What is it with you people that you can't actually form thoughts that mirror reality? Spez didn't censor people's posts because of political disagreements, it was because they kept calling him a pedophile. Not even close to the same thing, but you can't defend the latter so you pretend it didn't happen right?

Re:The Streisand Effect has been triggered

[Anonymous Coward]

/ Jesus, when will Slashdot get poster entities, that can actually detect the fairly obvious *gasp* context, of the post they are replying to?

Re:The Streisand Effect has been triggered

[Xenographic]

I was talking about pizzagate.

You are correct that we've seen ample evidence of edits by /u/Spez, both direct admissions (both now and in past comments) and leaked admin logs.

Re:The Streisand Effect has been triggered

[Xenographic]

I have, certainly more than someone who just read Snopes & NYT, which barely even attempt to touch the evidence found.

Anyhow, pizzagate came into prominence largely after Trump had already won, though it was suspected for some time before that. You're confusing it with #spiritcooking which was prior to the election. That was "debunked" primarily in that Podesta was not able to attend that session listed in the emails, but we already know that he was into some weird occult stuff from that selfie with the 14 and fish written on his hands which relates to the death of Osiris and the birth of Hecate. Spirit Cooking itself is something from Thelema, which was founded by Alister Crowley who is known as an associate/inspiration to L. Ron Hubbard (founder of Scientology) according to their biographies. There were other suspicions because part of the rite involves cutting the middle finger and we're able to see photos with that specific injury and even a mention of infections to said finger.

The people on pizzagate are emphatically NOT trying to make this a political thing as you'd see if you had even looked at the sticky post on Voat's /v/pizzagate

Yes, Comet Ping Pong does have ping pong tables, but all the businesses on that street have logos that look suspiciously similar to known pedophile logos as can be seen in a doc released under FOIA by the FBI. You may be right that sometimes ping pong paddles are just that, but after all the creepy stuff they found on his instagram (not "random photos from around the web" as some put it...) he came under suspicion.

I don't know of any credible person claiming that he's definitely a pedophile, though. There are a lot of things that look really suspicious and the public is going to scrutinize him no matter what we do, though.

The fake news thing is just the MSM realizing that we're starting to ignore it. I turn to people who present identifiable facts. I completely ignore your opinions and predictions (except that I can use the latter to grade your insight or lack thereof). No verifiable facts? Then I don't seriously give a crap what you just said. You link to some random clickbait blogs nobody ever heard of as if we somehow know who is clicking on it or as if liberals won't click clickbait saying bad things about Hillary/Democrats.

It's a convenient label to stick on anything you don't like so as not to have to bother actually thinking about what was said. It's funny, because you don't understand what's going on, you don't understand why the world suddenly turned against you, and you still listen to the people who never saw it coming. Of course you'll invent reasons for that that involve other people being bad. I'm not quite sure yet if that's because you lack mirrors or you lack reflections.

Re:The Streisand Effect has been triggered

[AmiMoJo]

Listen to yourself for a moment.

all the businesses on that street have logos that look suspiciously similar to known pedophile logos as can be seen in a doc released under FOIA by the FBI

So your argument is that these paedophiles, some of them in high office and under immense public scrutiny, rather than using a clandestine network for trusted people decided to simply advertise child abuse on the street using secret signs that were already known to law enforcement.

That's batshit insane.

Re:The Streisand Effect has been triggered

[Xenographic]

For the first point, I haven't claimed anyone was a pedophile, just that there was some weird and suspicious stuff going on that people were going to spend a long time looking into. For the second, yes, I do think it's pretty weird when a child protection charity uses a pedo symbol in their logo. It's not just the pizza places, there are like 4 separate places on the same block, which is why it came to attention.

You... seem to be assuming that everyone thinks there's clear proof of pedos here. This is not the case.

Also, that NYT article was quite bad. More details can be found here: http://archive.is/X6KxW

Who's going to build a community for me?

[firewrought]

As a reader of various online forums, I would like a community where I can read a broad spectrum of polite, well-thought out responses to current events. Leading up to the election, I wanted to hear from the Trump supporter, the Hillary supporter, and even the Sanders/Johnson/Stein supporters.

What I don't want is (1) spam, (2) astroturfing, (3) straight-up lying ["fake news"], (4) personal attacks, (5) abusive language, (6) people who can't follow context, and (7) simplistic/repetitive comments that don't add anything new.

I'm not looking for a bubble or a safe space or an echo chamber, but neither do I want to swim thru the sewers.

Re:Who's going to build a community for me?

[rectalfeeding]

I'm not looking for a bubble or a safe space or an echo chamber, but neither do I want to swim thru the sewers.

You know you really want a pony too, don't lie.

Re:Who's going to build a community for me?

[AHuxley]

A lot of good people in the USA will sell that kind of site to the world.
The USA supports freedom of speech from gov/mil. So different sites in the USA can really offer what most other nations never can.
Freedom after speech. The free flow of ideas, comments, history, politics, faith, blasphemy, talking about a coup, fascists or communists, leaked documents, whistleblowers.
Topics the fourth estate is to lazy, incompetent, under funded, legally challenged or corrupt to cover.
Users are tired of SJW, foreign funding from monarchies, cults or theocracies setting rules.
Tired of been reported by SJW, tired of having the discussion of docs anyone can read and search getting banned.
Smart and fun people will just move to much better free speech sites that allow comment on matters in the news.
To ban news does not stop the comments, talking, ideas. News that people are interesting and want to comment on just moves to much better sites.

Re:Who's going to build a community for me?

[drinkypoo]

As a reader of various online forums, I would like a community where I can read a broad spectrum of polite, well-thought out responses to current events.

And I would like a pony and a blowjob (unrelated to the pony).

What I don't want is (1) spam, (2) astroturfing, (3) straight-up lying ["fake news"], (4) personal attacks, (5) abusive language, (6) people who can't follow context, and (7) simplistic/repetitive comments that don't add anything new.

You must be new here, then ;) since Slashdot is (1) a spam substrate, (2) legendary for astroturfing, (3) incompetent about vetting stories even when it tries, which is almost never (4) (5) (6) (7) not even going to bother to illustrate, read literally any story's comments.

Flawless Victory for Reddit

[Anonymous Coward]

When you tear out a man's tongue, you haven't proved him a liar. You've only told the world you fear what me might say.

The censorship treadmill is moving

[Xenographic]

They barely covered a couple of items of evidence in that.

Now, with as many connections as have been found, I'm sure there are more than a few bogus ones. The problem is that there's a ton of them. Now, it's very possible that it's all smoke and no fire, the problem is that you can't fairly decide that without the painful task of going through every little thing, so declaring "no, that's wrong" without actually touching most of the evidence is far less convincing to anyone who has looked into it than one might hope.

It doesn't help that Reddit, Twitter & Wikipedia all seem to want to make it simply disappear, an ironic stance as they were once the place for suppressed ideas to go. A trend that makes me wonder if we'll see a "censorship treadmill" like the euphamism treadmill, wherein new sites are constantly born to take over those that succumb to censorship at the hands of their owners.

Anyhow, for anyone keeping tabs:

Reddit's /r/pizzagate -> Voat's /v/pizzagate
Wikipedia -> Infogalactic
Twitter -> Gab.ai

Re:The censorship treadmill is moving

[by (1706743)]

They barely covered a couple of items of evidence in that.

Fair enough, but there appear to be blatantly fabricated "evidence" from the pizzagaters (photos taken from random websites, etc.). There's a huge difference between innocent mistakes or sloppy journalism, and intentional fabrication. And while we're at it, what ever happened to the Fun Time Kidz Day Care conspiracy?

But hey, maybe you're right and we should take these claims seriously. And since /. doesn't let us delete our posts, we'll have some sort of record of this discussion in a year or two when the whole thing ends -- either with serious prison sentences or with nothing.

Re:The censorship treadmill is moving

[Xenographic]

This is an ongoing investigation. When I look at the forums, I see people debating over whether certain things are real or not, bogus, irrelevant, etc. I'm more than willing to entertain the idea that it's nothing more than a lot of oddly worded emails and questionable taste in friends and art, but if it dies out it'll have to die out naturally, after exhausting leads.

Yes, there have also been a few hoaxers who have been called out for it--fake hack videos on YouTube and some other nonsense. You can find on Voat where the people there are calling out the hoaxers for presenting utter nonsense. This is a classic way to discredit an investigation and nobody can stop someone from making up fake stuff. It doesn't help that a lot of accounts, etc. got pulled off the web and only exist on archive.is now.

As for the "random websites" claim, I wish that /r/pizzagate hadn't been deleted because one of the people there had a good response to it. I have forgotten the details, but those "random photos" were things found on someone's Instagram account and the unrelated people were staff. Or something like that. I'd be able to give you a better explanation if /u/spez hadn't nuked that from orbit. All I really remember is that there were connections that they either didn't understand or cover.

This is no longer just the Podestas or a string of shops on a street that have relations to high ranking Democrats and that all have logos that coincidentally look like something the FBI labelled as known pedophile symbols and which happen to have some pretty odd tunnels beneath them that have existed for a long time.

But even stuff like that is up for debate. I mean, the tunnels have long been there (though there were photos of them doing some work in one of them for some reason I've forgotten). I think the Comet sign came from a much older store. Etc. People are now suspicious enough that they'll face scrutiny for a long, long time, even if there turns out to be nothing of substance here. I don't think it's avoidable, though it probably does suck to be them.

Re:The censorship treadmill is moving

[Raenex]

Fair enough, but there appear to be blatantly fabricated "evidence" from the pizzagaters (photos taken from random websites, etc. [snopes.com]).

Look how they try to muddy the waters. Here's an archive version of the summary Snopes is "debunking". It has links to other archives, including one of a photo with a very young girl with her arms taped to a table, taken from "jimmycomet"'s instagram, a.k.a. James Alefantis, owner of Comet Ping Pong.

Just a harmless joke? Maybe, in isolation, but there's lots of creepy shit surrounding this to make you think otherwise.

The real stuff can be found in archive.is. One thing learned in GamerGate early on was to archive everything before stuff got deleted or set to private, and the denial and smog machine got cranked up.

Re:The censorship treadmill is moving

[Xenographic]

I managed to find a rebuttal of the claims that the images were just sourced from random sites, though it's in response to the NYT not Snopes: http://www.renegadetribune.com/new-york-times-fact-checks-pizzagate/

IIRC, the NYT cited Snopes, though.

I'm sure you can find some images that have more tenuous links, but it's an ongoing investigation and some of that is just people looking for connections, many of which will turn out to be dead ends. In fact, Voat has at least one item right now flaired "Dead End?"

About damn time.

[Anonymous Coward]

See you in hell Gallowboob,

Reddit hasn't been known for free speech...

[istartedi]

Reddit hasn't been known for free speech for quite some time. I've only been on it for less than two years, and in that time we saw the banning of Coontown and other offensive groups. Not that I endorse the content of those groups; but if you're going to hold yourself out as a bastion of free speech, you have to at least allow anything that's legal and AFAIK the mere existence of the offensive groups wasn't illegal.

Aside from that, there was an alleged astro-turfing campaign sponsored by Hillary's campaign. There is little rhyme or reason to what gets promoted to the front page, which indicates to me that even if the site itself is free, the strings are being pulled by SEO types and/or people who have simply learned how to game the system for karma. That kind of thing can make the site effectively less than free--burying important ideas and events beneath a well-crafted cat meme.

Re:Reddit hasn't been known for free speech...

[Anonymous Coward]

Not that I endorse the content of those groups

No, you do.

Free speech now!

[Anonymous Coward]

We need real free speech now! Down with all these walled fake playgrounds aimin to monetize you all. We need a decentralized and anonymous way to speak to our hearts content.

Re: Free speech now!

[Anonymous Coward]

Thats great, then all you paid Trump shills can fuck off there and leave eveyone else in peace.

Banning Pizzagate...

[Anonymous Coward]

Saying there's "no evidence" for Pizzagate is taking it a bit far. There's TONS of stuff those folks have been digging up and it's sickening. That perverted fuckup Podesta and his supporters, and Clinton II too, should all be behind bars.

Hardly

[ArchieBunker]

Reddit generates tons of traffic and needs to be profitable. Changes needed to be made to attract advertisers. They picked a CEO to take the heat while the changes were implemented. It worked as planned.

Keep it up and loose all users like slash dot

[Anonymous Coward]

just sayin'

Physician, heal thyself

[Anonymous Coward]

So they'll be banning their CEO, right?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/reddit-ceo-edits-user-comments_us_5839cf32e4b000af95ee5b68

let me get this straight

[iggymanz]

Steve Huffman alters people's comments that he didn't like, but says "Toxic Users" should be punished? How about firing his dishonest untrustworthy ass?

Oh, and he's getting hate mail? oh that's so surprising.

Moral Lecturing by Hipster Douchebags

[_KiTA_]

So let me get this straight.

The site that proudly hosted the fappening's pics.

The site that let a group called "coontown" run for years without any issues or concerns.

The site that runs "Shit Reddit Says," a doxing, harassment, and bullying network that the admins openly support.

The site that, to this day, has gigabytes of pirated music, porn, art, and software indexed on it.

NOW has a problem with free speech, because a conservative candidate's followers organized on it and beat the political candidate their admins supported?

All at the same time the faux-liberal, progressive news sites and other social media networks are making a push to censor any and all conservative new media outlets by calling them "fake news" and taking measures to do the same thing to conservatives using their sites?

Forgive me if I'm a bit suspicious.

Re:Moral Lecturing by Hipster Douchebags

[serviscope_minor]

All at the same time the faux-liberal, progressive news sites and other social media networks are making a push to censor any and all conservative new media outlets by calling them "fake news"

So... if the left uses their free speech in a way you don't approve of, it's censorship now?

Re:Moral Lecturing by Hipster Douchebags

[_KiTA_]

"The So tell for cognitive dissonance."

Also, Strawman.

No, if the Regressives were using their free speech, we wouldn't be in this mess. Instead, the Regressives decided they had perfect morality and anyone not part of their tribe was a racist / sexist / islamophobe / homophobe / etc, and more importantly, they decided shouting names at people and silencing their political opponents (and even moderates) was an appropriate substitute for debate and a good argument.

Which led to 4 -- well, lets be honest, 8 -- years of Trump.

Re:Moral Lecturing by Hipster Douchebags

[Anonymous Coward]

The site that runs "Shit Reddit Says," a doxing, harassment, and bullying network that the admins openly support.

You bitch about "fake news" and then regurgitate shit like this. SRS is a place for people to go and vent when "LOL THERE'S ONLY TWO GENDERS" or "HAHAHA RAPING KIDS IS FUNNY" gets hundreds upvotes. It's no downvote brigade or harassment group, posting there actually makes you the target of harassment from white supremacists who don't take kindly to race traitors. Sure, people might jokingly say "kill all white men" but 80% of the users are white men - it's a parody of how the typical Redditor views feminism.

Re: Moral Lecturing by Hipster Douchebags

[Anonymous Coward]

Not that the The Donald sub reddit practises free speech anyway. If you post anything there that even slightly disagrees with the party line, you're banned.

Re:Moral Lecturing by Hipster Douchebags

[_KiTA_]

First, there are only two genders. Male. Female. Sorry, but it's true. No amount of Tumblr post-modernist claptrap will ever change that.

Second, yes, SRS is blatantly a downvote / harassment group. Even the CEO admits this. You can try and crybully all you want, but you just flat out stated it: SRS is a place people can attract attention to posts they disagree with so people can (wink wink) be mad and (nudge nudge) nothing else. So it's obviously just a cooooincidence when SRS or one of it's sub-groups links to a post and suddenly the thread is filled with shitheels from SRS harassing people and downvoting things into oblivion.

But it's OK, because they had the wrong opinions, and after all, SRS and the Regressive Left trolls that inhabit it have truly golden morality that we all must accept as perfect truth. Or else.

And that's not getting into some of the other shitty things SRS has done - the doxing, the taking over of other subs just to destroy them (like the attempted coup of meirl a few months back, heck I just checked and one of them has over 60 subs under his control, and another has several hundred), the use of bots to auto-downvote and harass people...

Lets be frank. If The_Donald did half of what SRS does every single day they would be shut down and absolutely no one would be able to defend them. But Regressive Leftist subs like SRS, Drama, etc get a pass because they share some of the same politics as the admins. It's an open joke that a group of no life losers can hang out in IRC and brigade on reddit all day and never, EVER face consequences.

That sums up the problem with the left

[melted]

That sums up the problem with the left, actually. The left wouldn't care about a pedo ring involving their anointed candidate, just like they didn't care of Bill's frequent flights on the "Lolita Express" to the pedo island. The reason why Clinton is mentioned in Pizzagate is because the "conspiracy theory" originates in her emails published by Wikileaks.

Re:That sums up the problem with the left

[Anonymous Coward]

No, it's from Podesta's emails published by Wikileaks. I don't know of any emails where people suspect code words to or from Hillary.

There's actually very little tying Hillary to this one personally. Not saying some people aren't suspicious of her and her involvement in various things, but there really isn't that much that points at her, personally, except maybe her personal intervention to help that one lady who was trying to leave Haiti with a bunch of kids. But that has a pretty reasonable non-conspiracy explanation to it.

The other post is still wrong--the people in /v/pizzagate are worried about children being abused far more than anything. But saying that won't get you as many internet points as imagining a motive by taking a quote of something someone was arguing against as an admission of some kind.

Probably not

[aepervius]

There is only a small subset of people angry at this : the small subset of US folk which either see any censorship as extremely bad no matter which, and those from the right which had belief in pizzagate (my god I read what they consider evidence , and I think those folk are insane). The rest of the world ? Don't care will continue using reddit.

"nown for its commitment to free speech"

[Anonymous Coward]

Seems like the writer isn't very familiar with reddit. It's a cluster of vote rigging, comment stuffing and outright censorship. The CEO even changes comments critical of him: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/11/reddit-chief-admits-to-editing-comments-that-were-critical-of-him/

Isn't that the way it is anywhere?

[Anonymous Coward]

Take Slashdot. If you don't adopt a shrill "Microsoft is evil!" view, you ARE considered toxic. Or go to Nation Of Islam. Not hating Jews is considered wrong. See a pattern there?

Re:Isn't that the way it is anywhere?

[Grishnakh]

Take Slashdot. If you don't adopt a shrill "Microsoft is evil!" view, you ARE considered toxic.

Oh bullshit. This place is absolutely full of both Microsoft and Apple fanboys. Posting anything anti-MS here will get you all kinds of nasty responses from the MS shills and trolls.

Hundreds?

[JustAnotherOldGuy]

Hundreds down, only a few more tens of millions to go!

This was done but look over here

[portwojc]

The Reddit CEO edited a post on Reddit other than his own within the systems set rules. That has to be a clear violation. However he just points to another issue, the trolls, and off they go. Trey and Matt are really on top of things. Which is just amusing. I wonder if someone in the history of Reddit's employee's has done the same thing and been terminated for it. If so their HR department is probably going to have a mess on their hands.

This guy acted like one of those board admins who can't handle what's going on and jumps into the fray, then applies the ban hammer. Instead he should have just stepped back and directed efforts on making Reddit better by fixing the issues at hand and not just in one sub. Or just for one issue. Big picture is needed.

fuck /u/spez

[Anonymous Coward]

i'd like to see you ban me

Yeah

[Anonymous Coward]

Despite the best efforts of Banksters and their Marxist tools, Slashdot still support Free Speech. Booohooo !

Grap 'em

[chiefcrash]

"When you're CEO, they let you do it. You can just walk right up to them and edit their posts." -- /u/spez

Re:Grap 'em

[Anonymous Coward]

Did he edit posts or just forward them? From what I understand neither the content nor the attributed author was changed.

And the definition of of toxic is?

[PontifexMaximus]

Who will be defining 'toxic'? Liberals? Oh, well then, it'll be just another cesspool of safe spaces and 'trigger free' hate speech against any and everyone that doesn't agree with them.

When will the sane people in America stand up and smite these benighted, narrow-minded, morally bankrupt children?

Re:And the definition of of toxic is?

[OhFelgercarb!]

Who will be defining 'toxic'? Liberals? Oh, well then, it'll be just another cesspool of safe spaces and 'trigger free' hate speech against any and everyone that doesn't agree with them.

When will the sane people in America stand up and smite these benighted, narrow-minded, morally bankrupt children?

Well in a way the rise of President Elect Trump is a smiting. I (and a great many others) did not vote for Clinton partially because of the behaviors observed coming from Democrat party aligned entities like universities, MSM, and social media companies.

I didn't want to have to say it, but...

[washort]

Fuck /u/spez.

What are you talking about??

[Gallomimia]

Toxic users.... on Reddit?
That's unpossible!

"known for its commitment to free speech" LOL

[Rujiel]

Are we talking about the same reddit? The reddit where The Intercept was not allowed on the world news or politics subreddits because of the reddit staff insisting it's "just a blog"? The same reddit that did PR cleanup for Hillary in october? https://www.reddit.com/r/Kotak... If reddit was truly a bastion of free speech, Voat wouldn't have come about 2+ years ago.

fuck reddit. fuck steve huffman. fuck these SJWs

[Anonymous Coward]

fuck reddit. digg fell. reddit's next on the chopping block. looking forward to gab https://gab.ai/ .